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Title: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
All the comparisons to Brown aside (and I acknowledge those are huge and should be at least 50% of how CK is judged) we need to track our new coach versus what Prince did.

The records should closely compared and if CK does not win more (and the same caliber) games, he has to be fired or our university will be branded as super gross and racist.

We will track the performance in this thread.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: wetwillie on January 05, 2019, 11:50:41 AM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2019, 12:06:11 PM
What is the Prince standard for wins versus ranked teams? 
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: wetwillie on January 05, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Unofficially 2-12 with those two wins coming against UT. 
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on January 05, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
I can’t believe we tore down goal posts for one of those wins.  Super gross.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: brandochav on January 05, 2019, 12:47:13 PM
I can’t believe we tore down goal posts for one of those wins.  Super gross.
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Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: stunted on January 05, 2019, 02:31:23 PM
what's the highest division prince could lead a team to a title? i'm not sure he could lead MHS to a state title. so ck has that going for him.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 05, 2019, 03:05:33 PM
This blog won’t be around in another 3 years so I’m not sure if we’ll be able to get a clear comparison.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: 8manpick on January 05, 2019, 03:27:04 PM

I can’t believe we tore down goal posts for one of those wins.  Super gross.
It was a great win on national TV you dweeb.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: MadCat on January 05, 2019, 07:03:34 PM
This blog won’t be around in another 3 years so I’m not sure if we’ll be able to get a clear comparison.
At least the archaeologists will have something to puzzle over when they unearth this blog.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: cat.branchman on January 05, 2019, 07:22:41 PM
It was easy to fire Prince when we had Patterson in our back pocket.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: brandochav on January 05, 2019, 07:36:04 PM

I can’t believe we tore down goal posts for one of those wins.  Super gross.
It was a great win on national TV you dweeb.
Sure was, great memories...almost kicked out the game due to roudiness, 2nd row in iCat, saved a girl's life in the rush, tried to teardown the posts. Ah, and almost missed it all with someone offering me $70 for my tix at our tailgate.

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Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Skipper44 on January 05, 2019, 08:33:39 PM

I can’t believe we tore down goal posts for one of those wins.  Super gross.
It was a great win on national TV you dweeb.
also one one of the goat tailgating days - Huggs debut in the bram at 1 pm then tailgating in the beautiful mhk sunshine until the 7 pm prime time kickoff
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Steffy08 on January 06, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2019, 11:21:45 AM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.

 I will slap the taste out of your slack jawed pie hole
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 06, 2019, 11:47:14 AM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.

I have no doubt Klieman will recruit at a much higher level than we have seen in the last few years. Totally worth it.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Steffy08 on January 06, 2019, 12:19:56 PM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.

I have no doubt Klieman will recruit at a much higher level than we have seen in the last few years. Totally worth it.

So our expectations should be lower for somebody who signs more stars during recruiting?
Weird.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: hemmy on January 06, 2019, 06:29:06 PM
Depends on trajectory of the team. If we get worse every year leash will be shorter.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: MakeItRain on January 06, 2019, 09:44:48 PM
Steffy's right, if the cupboard is actually dude gets two classes.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 07, 2019, 08:38:21 AM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.

I have no doubt Klieman will recruit at a much higher level than we have seen in the last few years. Totally worth it.

So our expectations should be lower for somebody who signs more stars during recruiting?
Weird.

Not necessarily about stars, but size and speed. To me, we looked really small and slow on the field the last couple of years, and the Miss State game really accentuated that. I realize we have always been a coach 'em up kind of team, but the physical gap has become become too wide to make up with x's and o's.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: wetwillie on January 07, 2019, 12:06:53 PM
Steffy's right, if the cupboard is actually dude gets two classes.

I think this is getting lost in translation for me. What do you mean?
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: cas4ksu on January 07, 2019, 12:18:29 PM
9-15 in three years in conference for prince k= 10-17 for Klieman. If he can win 13 of his first 27 I say we keep him. Also needs 2 of 3 years to be bowl game seasons.  Also must go 2 of 3 against ISU, this is non negotiable.

But yet we ran off a hall of game coaching legend after he went 14-13 in his last three years.  I would hope the standard would be higher than 13-14 for Klieman.  Otherwise, it wasn’t worth it.

I have no doubt Klieman will recruit at a much higher level than we have seen in the last few years. Totally worth it.

So our expectations should be lower for somebody who signs more stars during recruiting?
Weird.

Not necessarily about stars, but size and speed. To me, we looked really small and slow on the field the last couple of years, and the Miss State game really accentuated that. I realize we have always been a coach 'em up kind of team, but the physical gap has become become too wide to make up with x's and o's.

Couldn't agree more. That MSU game was truly eye-opening. I don't know how we went from being competitive in every game in 2017 (sans TCU) to being total trash in one year.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Katdaddy on January 07, 2019, 11:43:36 PM
It was easy to fire Prince when we had PattersonOB in our back pocket.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: MakeItRain on January 08, 2019, 12:16:12 AM
Steffy's right, if the cupboard is actually dude gets two classes.

I think this is getting lost in translation for me. What do you mean?

Really couldn't tell you. Klieman shouldn't get anymore leeway than any other coach, he should be winning 8 games by year 3.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2019, 12:21:49 AM
I think Prince would have gotten more time if he wasn't such a mean and awful person.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
It was the banner and we all know it.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 08, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
Shhhh.... No one tell 'stone how to really spell our coaches name.
Title: Re: Kleiman v. Prince - for the reputation of KSU
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 02:02:23 PM
oh no