Post by: POWL on December 12, 2018, 12:06:39 PM
The offense struggled for the majority of the year, but when it did look good, was it because of the real CK or Coleman? ....just looking for the real stud coaches (if we have any)
Post by: wetwillie on December 12, 2018, 12:13:45 PM
Post by: KITNfury on December 12, 2018, 12:20:02 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on December 12, 2018, 12:23:03 PM
So, do we believe the rumors or the record?
Post by: manpow5 on December 12, 2018, 12:24:26 PM
Gene has gone on record as saying that there is no truth to the rumors that there is a requirement to keep some, or any of the current assistant coaches.
So, do we believe the rumors or the record?
goEMAW always believes the rumors
Post by: manpow5 on December 12, 2018, 12:25:53 PM
https://www.bisonillustrated.com/ben-newman-ndsus-secret-weapon/
Post by: The1BigWillie on December 12, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
Gene has gone on record as saying that there is no truth to the rumors that there is a requirement to keep some, or any of the current assistant coaches.
So, do we believe the rumors or the record?
He said in the presser he was looking forward to working with Sean. If you take that comment as Sean being on staff then I would have a hard time believing Sean wasn't part of the package.
Post by: Trim on December 12, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
Gene has gone on record as saying that there is no truth to the rumors that there is a requirement to keep some, or any of the current assistant coaches.
So, do we believe the rumors or the record?
Gene doesn't lie.
http://themercury.com/news/local/bill-snyder-to-get-million-payment-for-all-he-has/article_0766941d-6397-557e-ad47-86135e11c59c.html
Post by: bucket on December 12, 2018, 01:06:27 PM
Braet is worth keeping around I think.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1072927850150412290
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
Post by: MadCat on December 12, 2018, 01:13:56 PM
Post by: POWL on December 12, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
i honestly have no idea if Braet is good at his job.....do we judge him by recruiting rankings?Braet is worth keeping around I think.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1072927850150412290
Post by: Church Creeper on December 12, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
i honestly have no idea if Braet is good at his job.....do we judge him by recruiting rankings?Braet is worth keeping around I think.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1072927850150412290
He also helps with special teams...and we saw what a train wreck that was this year.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on December 12, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Post by: Trim on December 12, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 12, 2018, 01:39:48 PM
Gene has gone on record as saying that there is no truth to the rumors that there is a requirement to keep some, or any of the current assistant coaches.
So, do we believe the rumors or the record?
Gene doesn't lie.
http://themercury.com/news/local/bill-snyder-to-get-million-payment-for-all-he-has/article_0766941d-6397-557e-ad47-86135e11c59c.html
That insane amount of money should keep us from being cuck'd into retaining Sean
Post by: POWL on December 12, 2018, 01:42:30 PM
Post by: dmartin on December 12, 2018, 01:50:33 PM
Thought I heard he will have a staff put together in 5 days? :impatient:
Well if his main talent pools are staff he had there, and staff we have here, it shouldn't take long.
Post by: wetwillie on December 12, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
i honestly have no idea if Braet is good at his job.....do we judge him by recruiting rankings?Braet is worth keeping around I think.
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1072927850150412290
I think being retained quickly is a good indicator of not sucking.
Post by: sys on December 12, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 12, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
http://themercury.com/news/local/bill-snyder-to-get-million-payment-for-all-he-has/article_0766941d-6397-557e-ad47-86135e11c59c.html
Very generous of Gene to pay the exact amount that he is not legally required to pay.
Post by: bunter on December 12, 2018, 02:56:59 PM
http://themercury.com/news/local/bill-snyder-to-get-million-payment-for-all-he-has/article_0766941d-6397-557e-ad47-86135e11c59c.html
Very generous of Gene to pay the exact amount that he is not legally required to pay.
Well he also hired his buddy, so. Might be a productive financial move to gain his fancy/ire. Like I'll give you $2.3m to GTHIN/I'll give you $3m to GTHO. But I guess thats coaching.
Post by: The1BigWillie on December 12, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
Post by: CHONGS on December 12, 2018, 03:13:49 PM
Post by: MadCat on December 12, 2018, 04:36:21 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 12, 2018, 07:24:17 PM
Braet is worth keeping around I think. Seiler also. I hope Sean goes to UNC, I think it’s best for everyone if he isn’t here anymore.
He'll go back to the AD where he's comfortable.
Post by: kearneymen on December 12, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
Braet is worth keeping around I think. Seiler also. I hope Sean goes to UNC, I think it’s best for everyone if he isn’t here anymore.
He'll go back to the AD where he's comfortable.
This is what I am hoping as well. Give him whatever role Jerry Kill had.
As for the staff, I hope he keeps Seiler, Klein and Norwood. They seem to be our best recruiters. Klein and Seiler will keep some Kansas - KSU ties and Norwood has some good Texas - OK ties. All three seem like great people with the ability to coach other positions as well.
Post by: POWL on December 13, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2018, 01:22:28 PM
I can't decide if we can move the ball and score enough with Coleman/Klein........not even sure who we need in the OC spot.... :dunno:
Well if the choice is Coleman/Klein or a guy that Paul Rhodes had to fire, it seems like a damn easy choice.
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 13, 2018, 01:25:46 PM
I can't decide if we can move the ball and score enough with Coleman/Klein........not even sure who we need in the OC spot.... :dunno:
Well if the choice is Coleman/Klein or a guy that Paul Rhodes had to fire, it seems like a damn easy choice.
We need a coach Dude-Bro clone
Post by: kearneymen on December 13, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
I can't decide if we can move the ball and score enough with Coleman/Klein........not even sure who we need in the OC spot.... :dunno:
Well if the choice is Coleman/Klein or a guy that Paul Rhodes had to fire, it seems like a damn easy choice.
A former NDSU OC is now the OL coach at Iowa. He may be a good candidate.
We need a coach Dude-Bro clone
Post by: ChiComCat on December 13, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
I'm not against Sean coming back if he is exclusively focused on special teams. I think he had a bunch of stuff on his plate managing the program beyond special teams that negatively affected his unit. Of course, that should be Klieman's choice.
Post by: The1BigWillie on December 13, 2018, 03:42:40 PM
Braet needed to be retained for at least this year. They need him recruiting during this transition. They'll be able to better evaluate him over the next year. OC options between both staffs look bad and I would hope for fresh blood there. I think Seiler has a lot of potential but Klieman is a defense guy. Maybe he ends up Co-DC with a Klieman guy.
I'm not against Sean coming back if he is exclusively focused on special teams. I think he had a bunch of stuff on his plate managing the program beyond special teams that negatively affected his unit. Of course, that should be Klieman's choice.
If there is a shred of truth in the Sean Bomb Fitz dropped today, Sean should just pack up his office and GTFO.
Post by: catastrophe on December 13, 2018, 03:46:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
Post by: The1BigWillie on December 13, 2018, 04:17:47 PM
Cliff notes the Sean bomb please
Sean is a prick and everyone hates him.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 13, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 13, 2018, 05:13:44 PM
That isn't new information
Yes, that is pretty well known. I think a lot of that stems from his increased role in the program under Bill and lack of accountability. I don't think that will be the case under a new regime.
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2018, 05:15:55 PM
Post by: 8manpick on December 13, 2018, 05:17:24 PM
Regarding Klein - our QB's have been pretty awfulEspecially sad given the NFL QB talent on the roster
Post by: kearneymen on December 13, 2018, 05:26:12 PM
Regarding Klein - our QB's have been pretty awful
Yeah, my vote would be for the NDSU QB coach that developed Wentz. However, I think Klein would be a good TE type of coach that spends a lot of time recruiting. He is still a name that can get in most doors in Kansas and surrounding states.
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2018, 05:28:28 PM
Has he landed any decent recruits?Regarding Klein - our QB's have been pretty awful
Yeah, my vote would be for the NDSU QB coach that developed Wentz. However, I think Klein would be a good TE type of coach that spends a lot of time recruiting. He is still a name that can get in most doors in Kansas and surrounding states.
Post by: kearneymen on December 13, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
Has he landed any decent recruits?Regarding Klein - our QB's have been pretty awful
Yeah, my vote would be for the NDSU QB coach that developed Wentz. However, I think Klein would be a good TE type of coach that spends a lot of time recruiting. He is still a name that can get in most doors in Kansas and surrounding states.
Hard to tell with the way Snyder recruited...
Post by: manpow5 on December 13, 2018, 06:50:13 PM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 13, 2018, 06:52:12 PM
The whole Snyder family thinks everyone should bow down to them. At least Bill has actually done something to justify his arrogance.Cliff notes the Sean bomb please
Sean is a prick and everyone hates him.
Post by: kearneymen on December 13, 2018, 06:53:01 PM
Post by: Spracne on December 13, 2018, 06:59:37 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 13, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
My sources are suggesting that Entz was the real reason behind their success under Klieman.
damn it, gene!!
:shakesfist:
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
Yea, I feel a lot of our staff did not succeed to the levels they could have because Bill tied their hands. But idk. Theu could really suck.
I think most of them are in their position not from competence but because they would tolerate the Snyder way.
Post by: Cire on December 13, 2018, 07:27:03 PM
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Post by: eastcat on December 13, 2018, 08:10:06 PM
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on December 13, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
How many recruiting coaches are teams allowed to have on staff?Meadowlark is the jack of all trades.
It wouldnt shock me if he handled HC,DC,OC and special teams in meantime had 11 recruiting staff since evidently you need texas and Oklahoma to compete
Post by: eastcat on December 13, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
How many recruiting coaches are teams allowed to have on staff?Meadowlark is the jack of all trades.
It wouldnt shock me if he handled HC,DC,OC and special teams in meantime had 11 recruiting staff since evidently you need texas and Oklahoma to compete
Well you kinda do, When you have to play the actual Texas and Oklahoma every year.
I hope your NDSU guys are smarter than shined crap, because we need it. Team is devoid of talent.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2018, 08:24:13 PM
Regarding Klein - our QB's have been pretty awful
Yeah, my vote would be for the NDSU QB coach that developed Wentz. However, I think Klein would be a good TE type of coach that spends a lot of time recruiting. He is still a name that can get in most doors in Kansas and surrounding states.
You think a FCS quarterback coach is responsible for one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL?
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Post by: WildcatBisonfan on December 13, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
My sources are suggesting that Entz was the real reason behind their success under Klieman.Defense is why NDSU wins. When things on defense get rough Klieman is in the defensive huddle getting things straight.
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Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2018, 09:55:03 PM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Post by: michigancat on December 13, 2018, 10:32:18 PM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 13, 2018, 10:48:11 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2018, 11:44:01 PM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
Whatever you think about our quarterbacks, I'm not sure how you can attribute any of it to Klein. You're not going to get any development when the offense requires the QB to have 20 car wrecks every game. The last quarterback to play for LHC Bill Snyder that didn't end the year hurt was Carson Coffman. Even in the two best QB years since Klein left, Waters in '14 and Sisco in '16, were had with those dudes being injured.
Post by: lakesbison on December 13, 2018, 11:49:51 PM
K state can have NDSU'S OC.. or go steal our ex OC from Iowa where he is currently at. Or keep yours and he can study the ndsu plays all summer.
keep your OL guy.
DC could be plenty of Klieman friends. Terry Allen, Bo Pelini, Mark Farley.....Scottie Hazelton (wyoming & USC b4 that)
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on December 14, 2018, 12:03:17 AM
DC could be plenty of Klieman friends. Terry Allen, Bo Pelini, Mark Farley.....Scottie Hazelton (wyoming & USC b4 that)I'm pretty sure neither of these coaches would be too welcomed in Manhattan - and they probably wouldn't WANT to come live and coach in Manhattan either. Just a hunch. :dunno: :ck:
Post by: WildcatNation on December 14, 2018, 12:17:47 AM
DC could be plenty of Klieman friends. Terry Allen, Bo Pelini, Mark Farley.....Scottie Hazelton (wyoming & USC b4 that)I'm pretty sure neither of these coaches would be too welcomed in Manhattan - and they probably wouldn't WANT to come live and coach in Manhattan either. Just a hunch. :dunno: :ck:
Uh no. Bring Bo Pelini x10000
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2018, 01:20:22 AM
DC could be plenty of Klieman friends. Terry Allen, Bo Pelini, Mark Farley.....Scottie Hazelton (wyoming & USC b4 that)I'm pretty sure neither of these coaches would be too welcomed in Manhattan - and they probably wouldn't WANT to come live and coach in Manhattan either. Just a hunch. :dunno: :ck:
Uh no. Bring Bo Pelini x10000
Yeah, wtf
Post by: Katpappy on December 14, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
Post by: Cire on December 14, 2018, 06:04:29 AM
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Post by: Cire on December 14, 2018, 06:29:04 AM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
:horrorsurprise:
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Post by: kso_FAN on December 14, 2018, 07:38:43 AM
I can't decide if we can move the ball and score enough with Coleman/Klein........not even sure who we need in the OC spot.... :dunno:
Well if the choice is Coleman/Klein or a guy that Paul Rhodes had to fire, it seems like a damn easy choice.
Legit concern, but to be fair, what NDSU runs looks nothing like what they did at ISU when that guy was with Paul.
Post by: michigancat on December 14, 2018, 08:12:05 AM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
Whatever you think about our quarterbacks, I'm not sure how you can attribute any of it to Klein. You're not going to get any development when the offense requires the QB to have 20 car wrecks every game. The last quarterback to play for LHC Bill Snyder that didn't end the year hurt was Carson Coffman. Even in the two best QB years since Klein left, Waters in '14 and Sisco in '16, were had with those dudes being injured.
That's definitely fair. Does Coleman get a pass for lackluster WR play and attrition as well?
Post by: bucket on December 14, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
Whatever you think about our quarterbacks, I'm not sure how you can attribute any of it to Klein. You're not going to get any development when the offense requires the QB to have 20 car wrecks every game. The last quarterback to play for LHC LHC Bill Snyder that didn't end the year hurt was Carson Coffman. Even in the two best QB years since Klein left, Waters in '14 and Sisco in '16, were had with those dudes being injured.
That's definitely fair. Does Coleman get a pass for lackluster WR play and attrition as well?
Yes, the recruits love him in Georgia
Post by: ChiComCat on December 14, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2018, 09:30:36 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2018, 09:39:52 AM
Pelini at DC would be incredible
With Carl as DB coach
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2018, 09:50:46 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 14, 2018, 10:03:07 AM
:love:
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2018, 10:07:57 AM
Let's roll already BO!
Post by: Church Creeper on December 14, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
Ekeler to KU as ST coordinator
is this known piece of garbage Crash Ekeler?
Post by: Church Creeper on December 14, 2018, 10:19:27 AM
Ekeler to KU as ST coordinator
is this known piece of garbage Crash Ekeler?
Yes it's Mike. Piece of Garbage?
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 14, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 14, 2018, 04:21:37 PM
As long as Bo and Carl leave some coke available for the team I'm all for bringing those lunatics on board.
Snort the dang line
Post by: Brock Landers on December 14, 2018, 04:41:29 PM
Post by: AzCat on December 14, 2018, 05:08:44 PM
As long as Bo and Carl leave some coke available for the team I'm all for bringing those lunatics on board.
Snort the dang line
Has anyone written Gene to let him know that goEMAW's official position on his hiring of the North Fargo Junior College coach to replace Snyder will improve dramatically with these hires? I feel that he's waiting to hear from you guys.
Post by: nicname on December 14, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on December 14, 2018, 08:39:25 PM
We just need Klieman to hire a dream staff full of guys who hate Snyder. Championships will follow. Hate motivation works.Paging Glenn Mason & Gary Pinkel. :Wha:
Post by: Skipper44 on December 14, 2018, 08:42:03 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2018, 10:50:36 PM
Rusty's fascination with Klein and the quarterbacks is confounding, for about half a dozen reasons.
Huh
Haven't you posted something similar about Klein and the QBs more than once?
Maybe??? :dunno:
I definitely have posted about our QB's not being very good (should be uncontroversial) and accused someone of being racist when they suggested Klein should be in the booth calling plays and Coleman should be on the sideline being emotional. I also may have posted that Klein's history as a player does not make him a better coach. (I've certainly thought it regardless)
Whatever you think about our quarterbacks, I'm not sure how you can attribute any of it to Klein. You're not going to get any development when the offense requires the QB to have 20 car wrecks every game. The last quarterback to play for LHC Bill Snyder that didn't end the year hurt was Carson Coffman. Even in the two best QB years since Klein left, Waters in '14 and Sisco in '16, were had with those dudes being injured.
That's definitely fair. Does Coleman get a pass for lackluster WR play and attrition as well?
If you believe the rumors that he's the reason for the attrition, no he doesn't get a pass. I do like him as a play caller though. He got a lot better with the experience of the season. He called damn near perfect games against Tech and ISU.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 14, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
I think the OCs are at least partially responsible for the 20 car wrecks a game.
Coleman, yes, he's the play caller. That doesn't have anything to do with Klein developing QBs though.
Post by: nicname on December 15, 2018, 12:02:27 AM
We just need Klieman to hire a dream staff full of guys who hate Snyder. Championships will follow. Hate motivation works.Paging Glenn Mason & Gary Pinkel. :Wha:
Could you believe that?!?!
Pinkle as OC (wouldn't actually want)
Pelini as DC (actually want to be KSU's DC -- not happening)
And if KSU got good quick those two taking down a natty, and just rough ridin' loving every minute of Snyder's rage as they accomplish more than he ever did in the rough ridin' stadium that has his name on it. Not as head coach of course.
Post by: kearneymen on December 15, 2018, 07:58:57 AM
Kenni Burns- RB coach at Minnesota, coached receivers for NDSU 2010-2013, https://gophersports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=144&path=football
Atif Austin - Assistant coach for the Patriots, coached receivers and special team for NDSU 2014-2016, https://www.tampabay.com/sports/high-schools/2018/05/22/former-tarpon-springs-great-atif-austin-joins-new-england-patriots-staff/
Jamar Can - Defensive line coach at Fresno State, coached DL for NDSU 2014-2015, https://gobulldogs.com/news/2017/3/23/football-jamar-cain-named-defensive-line-coach.aspx
Tim Polasek - Offensive line coach at Iowa, former RB / Offensive Coordinator at NDSU 2014-2016, https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1700&path=football
I am sure there are many more, Kly has been around for some time and has had good coaches leave. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Kly kept Klein, Seiler and Norwood and mixed in 4(ish) of his current coaches as his first announcements.
Post by: kashi1965 on December 15, 2018, 09:01:04 AM
A few non-NDSU / non-Wyoming names to follow:i don't know much about norwood but he certainly doesn't seem to be moving the needle at all in recruiting. playing in the b12 we need top flight DBs and i haven't seen anything to make me believe Norwood is capable of attracting top DBs. He's just more of the same.
Kenni Burns- RB coach at Minnesota, coached receivers for NDSU 2010-2013, https://gophersports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=144&path=football
Atif Austin - Assistant coach for the Patriots, coached receivers and special team for NDSU 2014-2016, https://www.tampabay.com/sports/high-schools/2018/05/22/former-tarpon-springs-great-atif-austin-joins-new-england-patriots-staff/
Jamar Can - Defensive line coach at Fresno State, coached DL for NDSU 2014-2015, https://gobulldogs.com/news/2017/3/23/football-jamar-cain-named-defensive-line-coach.aspx
Tim Polasek - Offensive line coach at Iowa, former RB / Offensive Coordinator at NDSU 2014-2016, https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1700&path=football
I am sure there are many more, Kly has been around for some time and has had good coaches leave. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Kly kept Klein, Seiler and Norwood and mixed in 4(ish) of his current coaches as his first announcements.
someone to hold the place. Our secondary is dreadful and devoid of talent.
i don't like the motto of hiring solid fb coaches. We need to hire some of the best recruiters in the country. period
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2018, 09:35:05 AM
Best recruiters like David Beatty?A few non-NDSU / non-Wyoming names to follow:i don't know much about norwood but he certainly doesn't seem to be moving the needle at all in recruiting. playing in the b12 we need top flight DBs and i haven't seen anything to make me believe Norwood is capable of attracting top DBs. He's just more of the same.
Kenni Burns- RB coach at Minnesota, coached receivers for NDSU 2010-2013, https://gophersports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=144&path=football
Atif Austin - Assistant coach for the Patriots, coached receivers and special team for NDSU 2014-2016, https://www.tampabay.com/sports/high-schools/2018/05/22/former-tarpon-springs-great-atif-austin-joins-new-england-patriots-staff/
Jamar Can - Defensive line coach at Fresno State, coached DL for NDSU 2014-2015, https://gobulldogs.com/news/2017/3/23/football-jamar-cain-named-defensive-line-coach.aspx
Tim Polasek - Offensive line coach at Iowa, former RB / Offensive Coordinator at NDSU 2014-2016, https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1700&path=football
I am sure there are many more, Kly has been around for some time and has had good coaches leave. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Kly kept Klein, Seiler and Norwood and mixed in 4(ish) of his current coaches as his first announcements.
someone to hold the place. Our secondary is dreadful and devoid of talent.
i don't like the motto of hiring solid fb coaches. We need to hire some of the best recruiters in the country. period
He’s a WR coach dumbass
Post by: kearneymen on December 15, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
All of that said, despite 20 less scholarships and all of the disadvantages of recruiting to Fargo, Kly has put together a team that could beat KSUs team (probably also KU, Baylor, Tech and maybe TCU). So, I don’t think it it is fair to say that he can’t recruit. He is clearly getting good talent and building them up.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 15, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Post by: 8manpick on December 15, 2018, 04:12:39 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 15, 2018, 04:18:58 PM
Pretty sure we can conclude Seiler and Klein are both on staff after today. (see twitter)
https://twitter.com/spedbraet/status/1074046178650673153?s=21
Post by: sys on December 15, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Post by: kashi1965 on December 17, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
we need more diversity to give us a wider umbrella to recruit from
i hope theres more strategy than just who do i know thats a good x and o guy
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2018, 10:46:55 AM
will we have an all white staff? sure seems its going to be close to thatAre you implying white coaches are better at X's and O's and black coaches are just there for recruiting a "wider umbrella"? What a piece of crap take.
we need more diversity to give us a wider umbrella to recruit from
i hope theres more strategy than just who do i know thats a good x and o guy
Also in the press conference he specifically mentioned wanting to hire coaches with recruiting connections in Texas. So he's not just looking to hire buddies for X's and O's. If he hires an all white staff he should be fired for a multitude of reasons. (He won't hire an all-white staff)
Post by: pissclams on December 17, 2018, 10:51:09 AM
but it's not just about the x's and o's, we will need the jimmys and the joes, and thats where the black guys come in.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 17, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 17, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2018, 11:41:57 AM
We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
Post by: POWL on December 17, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
Post by: lakesbison on December 17, 2018, 11:54:15 AM
https://gobison.com/news/2018/6/5/football-north-dakota-state-names-jason-ray-wide-receivers-coach.aspx
Post by: michigancat on December 17, 2018, 11:58:26 AM
Post by: dontfeedthebear on December 17, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 17, 2018, 12:24:32 PM
Did I miss the Sean bomb?
It was fake news
Post by: IPA4Me on December 17, 2018, 12:26:23 PM
He was an early favorite to stay per my friend. Not so sure now.i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
Post by: kearneymen on December 17, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
DE / Co-DC: Blake Seiler
DT: Jamar Cain - Currently at Fresno St
LB / Co-DC: Scottie Hazelton - currently at Wyoming
DB / RC: Norwood
Defensive QC: Buddha Williams - Currently at NDSU
OL / OC: Tim Polasek - Currently at Iowa
RB: Kenni Burns - Currently at Minnesota
TE: Klein
WR: Jason Ray - Currently at NDSU
QB: Randy Herdberg - Currently at NDSU
Offensive QC: Courtney Messingham - Currently at NDSU (I doubt he would take this)
Special Teams: Atif Austin - Currently at NE Patriots (an assistant position coach)
Football AD BS job: Sean
Post by: kashi1965 on December 17, 2018, 01:04:32 PM
I reckon we need approximately 3 African American d-line coaches and then we would be set with recruitersI'm good with that. sounds perfect.
Klei lets get on it
The top DL recruits TEND to come from the south. We need coaches who know the south. its just that simple
its not biased. its facts
my hispanic buddy is in sales down in south texas and just tears it up because all the customers are hispanic too. doesn't always work but kids are hesitant to move to unknown places and some familiarity and comfortable relationships help ease the thoughts of moving away from home
Post by: WadeRam on December 17, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
Here is a somewhat random guess at a staff that are currently at KSU or have a connection with Kly:
DE / Co-DC: Blake Seiler
DT: Jamar Cain - Currently at Fresno St
LB / Co-DC: Scottie Hazelton - currently at Wyoming
DB / RC: Norwood
Defensive QC: Buddha Williams - Currently at NDSU
OL / OC: Tim Polasek - Currently at Iowa
RB: Kenni Burns - Currently at Minnesota
TE: Klein
WR: Jason Ray - Currently at NDSU
QB: Randy Herdberg - Currently at NDSU
Offensive QC: Courtney Messingham - Currently at NDSU (I doubt he would take this)
Special Teams: Atif Austin - Currently at NE Patriots (an assistant position coach)
Football AD BS job: Sean
Well, I think your existing K-State names are accurate, with the exception of SS if he sticks around (as opposed to joining Mack Brown's team as STC). I think the logical piece is for him to be an AD role of some sort, but his "I want to be the next coach" stint implies that's his desire to stay on the coaching side in some capacity.
But I think we'll see more from NDSU than your list above. CR, for example, I bet is likely.
Post by: pissclams on December 17, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
Here is a somewhat random guess at a staff that are currently at KSU or have a connection with Kly:
DE / Co-DC: Blake Seiler
DT: Jamar Cain - Currently at Fresno St
LB / Co-DC: Scottie Hazelton - currently at Wyoming
DB / RC: Norwood
Defensive QC: Buddha Williams - Currently at NDSU
OL / OC: Tim Polasek - Currently at Iowa
RB: Kenni Burns - Currently at Minnesota
TE: Klein
WR: Jason Ray - Currently at NDSU
QB: Randy Herdberg - Currently at NDSU
Offensive QC: Courtney Messingham - Currently at NDSU (I doubt he would take this)
Special Teams: Atif Austin - Currently at NE Patriots (an assistant position coach)
Football AD BS job: Sean
Well, I think your existing K-State names are accurate, with the exception of SS if he sticks around (as opposed to joining Mack Brown's team as STC). I think the logical piece is for him to be an AD role of some sort, but his "I want to be the next coach" stint implies that's his desire to stay on the coaching side in some capacity.
But I think we'll see more from NDSU than your list above. CR, for example, I bet is likely.
what logic would dictate delegating one of the top special teams coaches in the country to an administration position?
Post by: wetwillie on December 17, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on December 17, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
2018 Sean Snyder = terrible
Post by: pissclams on December 17, 2018, 02:05:03 PM
Post by: WadeRam on December 17, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Pre-2018 Sean Snyder = One of the best Special teams coaches in the country
2018 Sean Snyder = terrible
@pissclams: oh, I'd be content to see him stay as STC. There's no doubt in my mind that he's the top STC in the country, and was likely distracted last year with other program stuff. And for me, the fact that he made it through the Prince years indicates he can do so for a non-dad coach without much problem.
But it's also logical to want to cut that tie on the sidelines, and that means SS goes to an AD role of some sort (which he did fine for years) or goes to another program. If he really wants to be a Head Coach himself someday--and not just at K-State--he's unlikely to want to leave the sidelines, and more likely to want to move to another program. Mack Brown provides as soft a landing spot as you could want if your last name is "Snyder."
Post by: Boom Roasted on December 17, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
Post by: WadeRam on December 17, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
I want a big Pacific Islander D Line coach that can teach all our guys to do a Haka pre game
*spits beer*
Man, do that in time to Wabash with the crowd? Lol
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Post by: Katpappy on December 17, 2018, 11:33:17 PM
i love how this staff is coming together so far. perfect mix of white guys who can x and o their balls off.
but it's not just about the x's and o's, we will need the jimmys and the joes, and thats where the black guys come in.
Openly mocking Rusty. :ROFL:
Post by: Katpappy on December 17, 2018, 11:48:08 PM
I reckon we need approximately 3 African American d-line coaches and then we would be set with recruitersI'm good with that. sounds perfect.
Klei lets get on it
The top DL recruits TEND to come from the south. We need coaches who know the south. its just that simple
its not biased. its facts
my hispanic buddy is in sales down in south texas and just tears it up because all the customers are hispanic too. doesn't always work but kids are hesitant to move to unknown places and some familiarity and comfortable relationships help ease the thoughts of moving away from home
I think you're on to something here. We not only need a few black coaching/recruiting go getters, but add in a few Hispanics and Salmonions. Lets make the recruits feel like family.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 18, 2018, 02:31:07 AM
He was an early favorite to stay per my friend. Not so sure now.i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
We were never too white, well not any whiter than anyone else. We had 4 black assistant coaches on Snyder's last staff, there aren't too many P5 schools with more.
Also is your friend confusing Coleman with Norwood? I don't believe Coleman has done any recruiting since Bill left, Norwood has. Tell your P5 friend to focus more on his staff, he's got us mumped up.
The conversation about minority assistants needs to be divorced from recruiting talk. It's offensive that we, or any other staff, need black coaches to help with recruiting. As if black people can only relate to and be comfortable with other black people. The best recruiter in America is Nick Saban and it's not because he comes in and slams down a bunch of rings, he doesn't do that. The stories of him making connections with the kids and their families is awesome. Find his electric slide video.
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2018, 11:26:13 AM
Well saidHe was an early favorite to stay per my friend. Not so sure now.i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
We were never too white, well not any whiter than anyone else. We had 4 black assistant coaches on Snyder's last staff, there aren't too many P5 schools with more.
Also is your friend confusing Coleman with Norwood? I don't believe Coleman has done any recruiting since Bill left, Norwood has. Tell your P5 friend to focus more on his staff, he's got us mumped up.
The conversation about minority assistants needs to be divorced from recruiting talk. It's offensive that we, or any other staff, need black coaches to help with recruiting. As if black people can only relate to and be comfortable with other black people. The best recruiter in America is Nick Saban and it's not because he comes in and slams down a bunch of rings, he doesn't do that. The stories of him making connections with the kids and their families is awesome. Find his electric slide video.
Post by: halfEmpty on December 18, 2018, 11:27:21 AM
He was an early favorite to stay per my friend. Not so sure now.i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
We were never too white, well not any whiter than anyone else. We had 4 black assistant coaches on Snyder's last staff, there aren't too many P5 schools with more.
Also is your friend confusing Coleman with Norwood? I don't believe Coleman has done any recruiting since Bill left, Norwood has. Tell your P5 friend to focus more on his staff, he's got us mumped up.
The conversation about minority assistants needs to be divorced from recruiting talk. It's offensive that we, or any other staff, need black coaches to help with recruiting. As if black people can only relate to and be comfortable with other black people. The best recruiter in America is Nick Saban and it's not because he comes in and slams down a bunch of rings, he doesn't do that. The stories of him making connections with the kids and their families is awesome. Find his electric slide video.
Alabama, incidentally, has 3 black assistants...
Post by: IPA4Me on December 18, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 18, 2018, 11:40:32 AM
Would be great if we could divorce that conversation. I don't think it's that black men can only relate to black families. I think the perception is most white men are not able to relate to black families. As you noted, it's not a problem for Saban. That's truly fantastic. Hopefully Coach Kli is able to build a staff that can relate to anyone regardless of skin color. I'd love for KSU to put together some recruiting classes like my friend has done. Maybe even some better classes than Saban.He was an early favorite to stay per my friend. Not so sure now.i want Coleman to stay.....We can be critical of the phrasing of our fellow poster. However our whiteness is noticed by others in p5 ranks.
Seriously guys. I'm not gEing here. My P5 staff buddy constantly criticizes KSU recruiting staff as too white. Will always be hindered because of it. No, he's not white.
I definitely criticized Bill for never having a black coordinator before Coleman this season. IMO all CFB staffs are too white, I honestly didn't realize KSU was significantly whiter but am not surprised.
We were never too white, well not any whiter than anyone else. We had 4 black assistant coaches on Snyder's last staff, there aren't too many P5 schools with more.
Also is your friend confusing Coleman with Norwood? I don't believe Coleman has done any recruiting since Bill left, Norwood has. Tell your P5 friend to focus more on his staff, he's got us mumped up.
The conversation about minority assistants needs to be divorced from recruiting talk. It's offensive that we, or any other staff, need black coaches to help with recruiting. As if black people can only relate to and be comfortable with other black people. The best recruiter in America is Nick Saban and it's not because he comes in and slams down a bunch of rings, he doesn't do that. The stories of him making connections with the kids and their families is awesome. Find his electric slide video.
Post by: kashi1965 on December 18, 2018, 02:08:58 PM
waiting on coaches on vacation and background checks.
said KC would be priority recruiting ground and wants a coach with connections to TX
Post by: nicname on December 18, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
KLeiman on radio with Petro today said staff probably won't be all completed until around New years day. definitely after the holidays.
waiting on coaches on vacation and background checks.
said KC would be priority recruiting ground and wants a coach with connections to TX
Last question of Petro’s Final 4 to Klieman:
Petro: more important x’s and o’s or jimmies and joes.
Klieman:Oh, Jimmies and Joes. Definitely.
:Woot:
Post by: michigancat on December 18, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
KLeiman on radio with Petro today said staff probably won't be all completed until around New years day. definitely after the holidays.
waiting on coaches on vacation and background checks.
said KC would be priority recruiting ground and wants a coach with connections to TX
Last question of Petro’s Final 4 to Klieman:
Petro: more important x’s and o’s or jimmies and joes.
Klieman:Oh, Jimmies and Joes. Definitely.
:Woot:
:emawkid:
lots of dumbfucks think you can be the Bama of FCS while being a shitty recruiter. one of the dumbest of all dumb guy takes
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 18, 2018, 07:42:57 PM
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Post by: Clevey 2 Times on December 20, 2018, 04:48:27 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 20, 2018, 06:18:43 PM
I mean...that Snyder, Mangino, B Stoops, M Stoops, Venables staff was pretty white. That didn't seem to matter.
There were like 7 total black coaches in college football back then, but I agree. Great coaches are great coaches and have great teams.
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Post by: Clevey 2 Times on December 21, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
I mean...that Snyder, Mangino, B Stoops, M Stoops, Venables staff was pretty white. That didn't seem to matter.
There were like 7 total black coaches in college football back then, but I agree. Great coaches are great coaches and have great teams.
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Probably close to the truth at that point in time, the 7 number.
While racial identity is not a prerequisite for recruiting, it certainly would be nice to get a talented black recruiter, given that the game is played by a lot of talented black youth. This just seems obvious.
Post by: Big Sam on December 21, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1076197864525713408 (https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1076197864525713408)
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 21, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
Not sure where to put this, but it is from the coaching staff. Please note what is said at the 1:00 mark. Could it be?
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1076197864525713408 (https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1076197864525713408)
“Yea, we need to play Sandstorm.” ... uh, YERSSS PLEARSSSE!
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2018, 04:09:50 PM
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 21, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2018, 04:47:52 PM
dang, seiler took a demotion to DL. klein to coach qbs.
This is fantastic news.
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2018, 04:48:30 PM
dang, seiler took a demotion to DL. klein to coach qbs.
This is fantastic news.
Very much
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Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2018, 05:11:41 PM
opens the door for bo at DC
I’ve been entertaining this fantasy for a few weeks now. I’m giving it a 5% chance of happening.
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2018, 05:12:16 PM
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Post by: nicname on December 21, 2018, 05:17:18 PM
dang, seiler took a demotion to DL. klein to coach qbs.
This is fantastic news.
Very much
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Great news that both are officially remaining on staff. Not super pumped that Klein is QB coach rather than TE or something.
DC is interesting, but I’ve got a feeling that Klieman will basically be DC anyway. Nice to have Seiler avail to work with position and have more time to focus on recruiting.
Not to say Seiler wont be named DC in the coming weeks/ months anyway.
Post by: catastrophe on December 21, 2018, 05:54:24 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 21, 2018, 06:55:54 PM
Post by: Hullabaloo on December 21, 2018, 08:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1076304762516103168?s=19
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Coleman is gone
https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1076304762516103168?s=19
did that really warrant a "wow"?
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on December 21, 2018, 10:21:02 PM
Post by: eastcat on December 21, 2018, 11:16:04 PM
What if it’s Venables?
It's Patterson
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2018, 07:19:18 AM
Coleman is gone
https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1076304762516103168?s=19
did that really warrant a "wow"?
Yes, this was the least surprising news of 2018
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Post by: kearneymen on December 22, 2018, 07:32:49 AM
Norwood also.
Hate to see bad things happen to those invested in the program. Sure they will land on their feet.
Yeah, I wish Norwood would have been retained. I believe our assistants had multi-year contracts, so I hope he will get a handsome buyout.
I am really looking forward to this staff. Kly has had a lot of assistants move from NDSU to larger programs and I hope he brings the best of those and his current NDSU staff together.
Post by: tdaver on December 22, 2018, 07:39:51 AM
Post by: kearneymen on December 22, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
Norwood took another offer. He had an option to stay.
Interesting, thanks for the info! Hopefully Kly has a good replacement ready.
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Malone
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2018, 09:33:56 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/650733-pay-to-play-scandal-should-van-malone-face-consequences-for-violations (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/650733-pay-to-play-scandal-should-van-malone-face-consequences-for-violations)
Post by: Pete on December 22, 2018, 09:38:10 AM
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Post by: Pete on December 22, 2018, 10:01:26 AM
http://footballscoop.com/news/handle-fired-according-coach-just-got-fired/
I respect the crap out of that.
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
Van Malone seems like a solid hire. Appears to have some really good texas recruiting connections. I know it’s bleacher report but this article from 2011 about him being involved in some pay for play recruiting stuff gives me a lot of hope about his ability and willingness to play in the gray areas that we have to for high level recruiting.LOL that blogger calling him "despicable" seems a bit much.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/650733-pay-to-play-scandal-should-van-malone-face-consequences-for-violations (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/650733-pay-to-play-scandal-should-van-malone-face-consequences-for-violations)
Also a possible reason for not saying anything for four years is so it would only impact the schools and not the player, who was just a kid caught up in the stuff
Post by: Skipper44 on December 22, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
Post by: kearneymen on December 22, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2018, 03:09:55 PM
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1076569024362876928?s=19
Post by: KCFDcat on December 22, 2018, 03:26:50 PM
Post by: kearneymen on December 22, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
So far, we have:
QB: Klein
RB: Empty - I am hoping for Kenni Burns
TE: Messingham
WR: Ray
OL: Riley
Quality Control - Empty
DL: Seiler
LB: Empty - I am hoping for Hazelton as DC
CB: Van Malone
S: Klanderman
Quality Control - Empty, I am hoping for Buddha Williams
STC: Empty - I am hoping for Atif Austin or hire Jamar Cain as a DT coach and divvy up the special teams duties.
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2018, 03:37:16 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 22, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
So basically the entire ndsu staff. Cool cool coolNope. 2 carryovers. 4 NDSU. 3 outsiders.
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
So basically the entire ndsu staff. Cool cool coolIt's exactly less than half
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
Post by: kearneymen on December 22, 2018, 04:00:28 PM
I'm not super hyped for Scottie Hazelton, but he's probably not too bad.
You are probably right that there may be better DCs out there, but he would bring some continuity in that he and Kly worked together. Just a thought.
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2018, 05:46:04 PM
Post by: Pete on December 23, 2018, 09:19:03 AM
I'm not super hyped for Scottie Hazelton, but he's probably not too bad.
You are probably right that there may be better DCs out there, but he would bring some continuity in that he and Kly worked together. Just a thought.
I agree. If the Meadowlark is D2 Saban, then I want a full strength Meadowlark and not some Michelob Ultra Meadowlark.
Post by: Pete on December 23, 2018, 09:20:05 AM
Rumblings Sean is going back to the AD. Fantastic news for everyone if true.
I sure hope so. Could you imagine having that rough rider skulking around saying "Dad didn't do it that way" all the time?
Post by: AzCat on December 23, 2018, 10:29:30 AM
Rumblings Sean is going back to the AD. Fantastic news for everyone if true.
I sure hope so. Could you imagine having that rough rider skulking around saying "Dad didn't do it that way" all the time?
Pfft. That one's easy, "Well Junior if daddy had done it this way maybe he'd have won some national championships too." I doubt that conversation would happen twice.
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Post by: Pete on December 23, 2018, 04:11:30 PM
Messingham has evolved and improved as an OC over the years. Cuppard was pretty bare at ISU. He will have more weapons at KSU. He will be just fine.
Why the eff do you think we have more weapons?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 23, 2018, 04:13:11 PM
Our guy Kli be cruitinMessingham has evolved and improved as an OC over the years. Cuppard was pretty bare at ISU. He will have more weapons at KSU. He will be just fine.
Why the eff do you think we have more weapons?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2018, 04:46:48 PM
Post by: KITNfury on December 23, 2018, 05:18:27 PM
Post by: Pete on December 23, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 23, 2018, 06:05:53 PM
Messingham has evolved and improved as an OC over the years. Cuppard was pretty bare at ISU. He will have more weapons at KSU. He will be just fine.
Yeah, sure thing fanning
Post by: catastrophe on December 23, 2018, 06:08:21 PM
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on December 23, 2018, 07:39:48 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 23, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
Messingham has evolved and improved as an OC over the years. Cuppard was pretty bare at ISU. He will have more weapons at KSU. He will be just fine.
Yeah, sure thing fanning
:lol:
Post by: michigancat on December 24, 2018, 12:49:44 AM
I would absolutely Stan for Bo. Would be incredible.https://twitter.com/McFeely_Inforum/status/1077002875145019392?s=19
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Post by: ChiComCat on December 24, 2018, 09:04:17 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2018, 09:13:57 AM
Holy crap if it happens guys
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Zzzziiiiiippppp
Post by: WadeRam on December 24, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
Holy crap if it happens guys
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Zzzziiiiiippppp
Our DC is already in line, and it isn't someone named "Pelini."
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2018, 12:22:32 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Post by: WadeRam on December 24, 2018, 01:02:45 PM
Names, guys. I want names.
We've already seen announced several: Messingham as OC, Klein as QB, Ray, and Riley to round out the offensive staff. Seiler and Klanderman on defensive staff.
We're just waiting for a formal DC announcement, as well as a few other gaps.
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Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Names, guys. I want names.
We've already seen announced several: Messingham as OC, Klein as QB, Ray, and Riley to round out the offensive staff. Seiler and Klanderman on defensive staff.
We're just waiting for a formal DC announcement, as well as a few other gaps.
yeah thanks, i read the press reports too :lol:
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2018, 02:32:01 PM
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2018, 03:07:38 PM
Scottie “I use beard oil” Hazelton
I'd be ok with that. Wyoming's D in 2016 was #104 and in the two years he's been there, they've been #23 and #19
Post by: wetwillie on December 24, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
Post by: treysolid on December 24, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
Yea it’s not horrible, still want Bo.
oh for sure
Post by: kearneymen on December 24, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Scottie “I use beard oil” Hazelton
I'd be ok with that. Wyoming's D in 2016 was #104 and in the two years he's been there, they've been #23 and #19
Yeah, I noticed that Wyoming's D stats were better under him as well. He has coached at USC and in the NFL, so I don't think coaching to the talent level would be a problem. I think we have solid linebackers next year, so it could be an easy transition. I think Bo would be a sweet DC, but I would be surprised if it happened.
I like the idea of Vance Malone at CBs. It would be a dream to get T-New, but Malone has lots of solid connections and has been a DC at SMU. I will be curious if Kly hires a StC or if he hires another DL coach and then divvies up the special teams jobs. Jamar Cain seems like a candidate for another DL job.
I still like Kenni Burns as a RB coach. I am not sold on Fleck as a head coach, but it would be nice to bring some of his ideas to the playbook.
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Post by: pissclams on December 24, 2018, 05:08:11 PM
Scottie “I use beard oil” Hazelton
looks like he owns a pawn shop outside of centralia
Post by: WadeRam on December 24, 2018, 05:15:58 PM
Names, guys. I want names.
We've already seen announced several: Messingham as OC, Klein as QB, Ray, and Riley to round out the offensive staff. Seiler and Klanderman on defensive staff.
We're just waiting for a formal DC announcement, as well as a few other gaps.
yeah thanks, i read the press reports too :lol:
Well, your post wasn’t clear you did, and I wasn’t going to rat out the pay site. Hazelton is DC. Sounds like the others are also set.
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Post by: 8manpick on December 24, 2018, 07:15:51 PM
:jerk:Names, guys. I want names.
We've already seen announced several: Messingham as OC, Klein as QB, Ray, and Riley to round out the offensive staff. Seiler and Klanderman on defensive staff.
We're just waiting for a formal DC announcement, as well as a few other gaps.
yeah thanks, i read the press reports too :lol:
Well, your post wasn’t clear you did, and I wasn’t going to rat out the pay site. Hazelton is DC. Sounds like the others are also set.
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 24, 2018, 08:31:45 PM
Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
Post by: POWL on December 24, 2018, 08:42:22 PM
well Merry F!@$ing Christmas :flush:Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 09:43:57 AM
Post by: Spracne on December 28, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
https://twitter.com/DYoungRivals/status/1078675567543808002Wait, wasn't some Melvin out here saying that the pay site said the DC was beard guy, and only reluctantly agreed to share that valuable nugget with gE?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 09:52:27 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 28, 2018, 10:14:36 AM
Pacific HS (1991–1993)
Defensive coordinator & linebackers coach
Hannibal HS (1994–1995)
Defensive coordinator & special teams coordinator
Texas Christian (1996–1997)
Defensive graduate assistant
James Madison Dukes football (1998)
Defensive line coach
Missouri State (1999)
Outside linebackers coach
Boise State (2000)
Defensive line coach
Arizona State (2001–2005)
Defensive line coach
Jacksonville Jaguars (2006–2010)
Defensive line coach
Baltimore Ravens (2010–2015)
Linebackers coach
Indianapolis Colts (2016–2017)
Defensive coordinator
Post by: ChiComCat on December 28, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 10:27:14 AM
Post by: dmartin on December 28, 2018, 10:49:48 AM
First glance at ManPant's colts stats aren't terribly impressive. Numbers got worse from his first to second year. First year seemed a little more bend but don't breakish as they ranked a lot worse in yards than points. His time with Baltimore was with really good defenses.
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
Didn't the colts also play 2017 without Luck? Could be a cause of the defense not playing as well, when the offense can't keep going.
Post by: michigancat on December 28, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
First glance at ManPant's colts stats aren't terribly impressive. Numbers got worse from his first to second year. First year seemed a little more bend but don't breakish as they ranked a lot worse in yards than points. His time with Baltimore was with really good defenses.
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
I mean we kept a co-dc and the NDSU DC became head coach. IMO other than Messingham it's difficult to criticize this staff much at all (and he certainly isn't a terrible hire). It would be nice for one of the last spots to go to another Texas guy but there's really a nice mix of holdovers, NDSU staff, and outsiders with P5 experience
Post by: catastrophe on December 28, 2018, 11:00:28 AM
First glance at ManPant's colts stats aren't terribly impressive. Numbers got worse from his first to second year. First year seemed a little more bend but don't breakish as they ranked a lot worse in yards than points. His time with Baltimore was with really good defenses.
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
Didn't the colts also play 2017 without Luck? Could be a cause of the defense not playing as well, when the offense can't keep going.
Surely there is a way to adjust the stats for offensive/ST play. Where does he stack up then?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 28, 2018, 11:09:08 AM
First glance at ManPant's colts stats aren't terribly impressive. Numbers got worse from his first to second year. First year seemed a little more bend but don't breakish as they ranked a lot worse in yards than points. His time with Baltimore was with really good defenses.
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
Didn't the colts also play 2017 without Luck? Could be a cause of the defense not playing as well, when the offense can't keep going.
Opposing teams also score less points when the offense sucks too bad to catch up.
There is a big difference in college vs NFL DC so he certainly still could be good. I'm encouraged by his stint with Ravens. I don't know how different of a system he was trying to institute in Indy, but that can take some time too. I wouldn't buy into the "NFL DC!!!" hype that is going around though.
Post by: TheTruth on December 28, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
First glance at ManPant's colts stats aren't terribly impressive. Numbers got worse from his first to second year. First year seemed a little more bend but don't breakish as they ranked a lot worse in yards than points. His time with Baltimore was with really good defenses.
I'm pretty meh on him. Would've rather we kept DC in-house between the programs and brought in an outside OC than the other way around. Glad there is some fresh blood in there though.
Didn't the colts also play 2017 without Luck? Could be a cause of the defense not playing as well, when the offense can't keep going.
Opposing teams also score less points when the offense sucks too bad to catch up.
There is a big difference in college vs NFL DC so he certainly still could be good. I'm encouraged by his stint with Ravens. I don't know how different of a system he was trying to institute in Indy, but that can take some time too. I wouldn't buy into the "NFL DC!!!" hype that is going around though.
Yea, I don't know why anyone would buy into any "NFL DC" hype. For me, that is more a concern than a positive. Time will tell.
Post by: surly on December 28, 2018, 12:04:04 PM
this will be ck's defense anyway. :lynchmob:
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 28, 2018, 01:02:05 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 28, 2018, 01:23:01 PM
Little underwhelmed but whatever. I guess Bo said no.
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Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 28, 2018, 01:32:37 PM
Overall, the staff is better than I would have thought Klieman could piece together (with the exception of Messingham, who is trash).
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Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2018, 04:43:01 PM
In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
well, about 45 of this guys 58 stops have been in college so hopefully he learned that lesson in the 45 minutes he spent not packing or unpacking his crap.
Post by: KITNfury on December 28, 2018, 06:47:40 PM
Is this wasn't one of your own posts that you laughed at, it should have been.In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
well, about 45 of this guys 58 stops have been in college so hopefully he learned that lesson in the 45 minutes he spent not packing or unpacking his crap.
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
Is this wasn't one of your own posts that you laughed at, it should have been.In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
well, about 45 of this guys 58 stops have been in college so hopefully he learned that lesson in the 45 minutes he spent not packing or unpacking his crap.
oh I laugh at most of them. I'm very funny.
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 28, 2018, 07:00:34 PM
In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
Iowa State runs a 3-4/3-3-5 base D. And they were questionably the best D in nu logo this year.
I may be mistaken, but I actually think the top D's in the Big 12 are mostly running 3 DL types/variations with 7/8 mean dropping into coverage, A LOT.
Could be something Klingerman noticed.
Post by: kearneymen on December 28, 2018, 08:52:40 PM
In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
Iowa State runs a 3-4/3-3-5 base D. And they were questionably the best D in nu logo this year.
I may be mistaken, but I actually think the top D's in the Big 12 are mostly running 3 DL types/variations with 7/8 mean dropping into coverage, A LOT.
Could be something Klingerman noticed.
Yes, and most B12 schools recruit at a significantly higher level than KSU. I am not saying that the set matters, but having the horses to run it is a different deal. See the Ron Prince 3-4 experiment. In the NFL that is less of an issue than in college (the draft and set roster / team numbers are a bit of an equalizer).
My guess is that KSU will run Kly’s defense. All together I really like the staff that Kly has put together and having a former NFL DC along with Seiler and Malone seem like a huge win for us.
Post by: michigancat on December 28, 2018, 09:05:43 PM
In my opinion, a lot of NFL guys get in trouble at the college level because they want to run a 3-4 defense. That works at a few colleges that can get elite talent and it works well in the NFL where all players are elite, but at school like K-State it is hard to find the players to run that system.
Iowa State runs a 3-4/3-3-5 base D. And they were questionably the best D in nu logo this year.
I may be mistaken, but I actually think the top D's in the Big 12 are mostly running 3 DL types/variations with 7/8 mean dropping into coverage, A LOT.
Could be something Klingerman noticed.
Yes, and most B12 schools recruit at a significantly higher level than KSU. I am not saying that the set matters, but having the horses to run it is a different deal. See the Ron Prince 3-4 experiment. In the NFL that is less of an issue than in college (the draft and set roster / team numbers are a bit of an equalizer).
My guess is that KSU will run Kly’s defense. All together I really like the staff that Kly has put together and having a former NFL DC along with Seiler and Malone seem like a huge win for us.
every system needs "horses" to run it successfully. jesus christ
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Post by: kearneymen on December 29, 2018, 07:21:26 AM
Lol at the idea that you need good players to run a 3-4 but not a 4-3. Regardless, this is 2018, you are probably only running 25% of your plays with <5 DBs on the field.
Clearly I am not saying that you don’t need talent to run a different scheme or that one scheme is superior to another or that coaches aren’t smart. I am however suggesting that the type of talent needed to run schemes is different and the number of massive nose tackles that can occupy multiple OL and the number of massive DEs that can run like a deer are limited (a problem in college not in the NFL). It has been my observation that NFL guys that come down to college sometimes struggle to match their playbook with their talent and recruiting base as that typically isn’t an issue in the NFL with limited teams, salary caps, draft, etc.
Like I said, I really like the hire and the staff that Kly has built. I am looking my forward to the Spring Game (long time since I said that).
Post by: IPA4Me on December 29, 2018, 08:02:00 AM
Stop the presses. There's been a development.well Merry F!@$ing Christmas :flush:Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
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Post by: POWL on December 29, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
Dawson staying?Stop the presses. There's been a development.well Merry F!@$ing Christmas :flush:Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
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Post by: IPA4Me on December 29, 2018, 08:40:04 AM
That's the word. NDSU s&c decided to stay home.Dawson staying?Stop the presses. There's been a development.well Merry F!@$ing Christmas :flush:Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
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Post by: POWL on December 29, 2018, 08:45:00 AM
cool...he has 3 kids at MCS...glad for them, plus Dawson runs a good program.That's the word. NDSU s&c decided to stay home.Dawson staying?Stop the presses. There's been a development.well Merry F!@$ing Christmas :flush:Is Dawson staying as strength and conditioning?....asking on behalf of Manhattan Catholic schoolsNo
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Post by: kashi1965 on December 29, 2018, 09:31:55 AM
on the flip side ksu always has trouble filling their DL with talent especially at the DT position. IF u went to 3/4 instead of having difficulty recruiting 2 inside positions they would only have difficulty recruiting 1 inside position.Lol at the idea that you need good players to run a 3-4 but not a 4-3. Regardless, this is 2018, you are probably only running 25% of your plays with <5 DBs on the field.
Clearly I am not saying that you don’t need talent to run a different scheme or that one scheme is superior to another or that coaches aren’t smart. I am however suggesting that the type of talent needed to run schemes is different and the number of massive nose tackles that can occupy multiple OL and the number of massive DEs that can run like a deer are limited (a problem in college not in the NFL). It has been my observation that NFL guys that come down to college sometimes struggle to match their playbook with their talent and recruiting base as that typically isn’t an issue in the NFL with limited teams, salary caps, draft, etc.
Like I said, I really like the hire and the staff that Kly has built. I am looking my forward to the Spring Game (long time since I said that).
so yes those big bodies are hard to find but we would only need find 1 instead of 2.
you could make an argument that the fewer DLs needed the better for KSU because those are the most contested for recruits and we never get them
just 1 good graduate transfer could transform the whole position with 1 player instead of needing 2
Post by: goCats101 on December 29, 2018, 09:41:04 AM
Little underwhelmed but whatever. I guess Bo said no.
bo knows football, but bo pelini no's Kansas state new head coach on open defensive coordinator position
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Post by: michigancat on December 29, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
on the flip side ksu always has trouble filling their DL with talent especially at the DT position. IF u went to 3/4 instead of having difficulty recruiting 2 inside positions they would only have difficulty recruiting 1 inside position.Lol at the idea that you need good players to run a 3-4 but not a 4-3. Regardless, this is 2018, you are probably only running 25% of your plays with <5 DBs on the field.
Clearly I am not saying that you don’t need talent to run a different scheme or that one scheme is superior to another or that coaches aren’t smart. I am however suggesting that the type of talent needed to run schemes is different and the number of massive nose tackles that can occupy multiple OL and the number of massive DEs that can run like a deer are limited (a problem in college not in the NFL). It has been my observation that NFL guys that come down to college sometimes struggle to match their playbook with their talent and recruiting base as that typically isn’t an issue in the NFL with limited teams, salary caps, draft, etc.
Like I said, I really like the hire and the staff that Kly has built. I am looking my forward to the Spring Game (long time since I said that).
so yes those big bodies are hard to find but we would only need find 1 instead of 2.
you could make an argument that the fewer DLs needed the better for KSU because those are the most contested for recruits and we never get them
just 1 good graduate transfer could transform the whole position with 1 player instead of needing 2
did you guys know we changed like the entire coaching staff so maybe we won't have the exact same recruiting strategy and results moving forward?
Post by: pissclams on December 29, 2018, 12:57:51 PM
we just need the johnnies and the joes
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Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2019, 10:03:23 PM
https://utepathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=243 (https://utepathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=243)
Post by: jtksu on January 10, 2019, 11:50:02 PM
there’s a pizza place near me called johnnie joe’s and I was about 3 white russians deep at the time i posted that
White Russians and pizza seem like an odd combo.
Post by: purplehaze on January 11, 2019, 12:59:33 AM
there’s a pizza place near me called johnnie joe’s and I was about 3 white russians deep at the time i posted that
west plaza?
Post by: mocat on January 11, 2019, 06:38:19 AM
there’s a pizza place near me called johnnie joe’s and I was about 3 white russians deep at the time i posted that
White Russians and pizza seem like an odd combo.
!!!!!!!
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Post by: pissclams on January 11, 2019, 10:22:21 AM
yes sirthere’s a pizza place near me called johnnie joe’s and I was about 3 white russians deep at the time i posted that
west plaza?
Post by: pissclams on January 11, 2019, 10:23:11 AM
there’s a pizza place near me called johnnie joe’s and I was about 3 white russians deep at the time i posted that
White Russians and pizza seem like an odd combo.
white russians go great with anything. AN-Y-THING.
Post by: wetwillie on January 11, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
Post by: _33 on January 11, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
Our new coach is marquise tuiasosopo’s uncle and a pipeline to massive Polynesian DT’s and you assholes wanna talk about White Russians...sad.
Nice. I was shoved up against Mario Fatafehi during the 2000 neb field storm. I got his sweat all over me. :love:
Post by: meow meow on January 11, 2019, 11:58:56 AM
Our new coach is marquise tuiasosopo’s uncle and a pipeline to massive Polynesian DT’s and you assholes wanna talk about White Russians...sad.
Nice. I was shoved up against Mario Fatafehi during the 2000 neb field storm. I got his sweat all over me. :love:
i rubbed Chris Johnson's head!
Post by: eat_beef on January 11, 2019, 12:28:30 PM
i rubbed Chris Johnson's head!
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Most under appreciated player in Kansas State history. Too bad he wasn't 3-5" taller, would have made a lot of money.
Post by: kashi1965 on January 11, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
Our new coach is marquise tuiasosopo’s uncle and a pipeline to massive Polynesian DT’s and you assholes wanna talk about White Russians...sad.if he was a big deal he wouldn't have been coaching at UTEP
thats a concern
Post by: KST8FAN on January 11, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Tom
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Post by: manpow5 on January 22, 2019, 01:48:08 PM
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1087742055424684032?s=19
Post by: star seed 7 on January 22, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 22, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
It's @XocolateThundarr
Oh my :surprised:
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Post by: 8manpick on January 23, 2019, 09:25:36 AM
Hell no. It's east of Medicine Lodge, which is in no way, shape, or form of western kansas.West of Topeka, confirmed western Kansas
Post by: XocolateThundarr on January 31, 2019, 09:20:42 AM
It's @XocolateThundarr
Oh my :surprised:
I'm going to have to grow it back out again.
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
:lol:
Hilarious. But in my size :lurk: I'm surprised Fabris is a XL, he looks slim a.f.
Post by: TheTruth on January 31, 2019, 07:51:07 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 01, 2019, 09:53:40 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2019, 10:03:00 PM
Seiler to WVU?
Ouch
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Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2019, 10:47:49 PM
I guess getting demoted and passed over twice for the DC job while making the lowest salary on the team didn’t sit well with Blake.Must not have had many options
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2019, 10:48:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2019, 10:56:07 PM
Also KSU is probably underpaying
They definitely are
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 02, 2019, 08:13:06 AM
Post by: manpow5 on February 02, 2019, 09:48:07 AM
Huge hit to our recruiting as well.
Post by: slackcat on February 02, 2019, 10:16:40 AM
Post by: kashi1965 on February 02, 2019, 10:56:56 AM
Knowing our luck he'll become the next BV and we'll beg him to come back and he'll snuff us cause we snuffed him.i thought our recruiting sucked? i know seller was considered one of our best recruiters but what is that really saying? he's the best of the bad?
Huge hit to our recruiting as well.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 02, 2019, 11:16:08 AM
Knowing our luck he'll become the next BV and we'll beg him to come back and he'll snuff us cause we snuffed him.i thought our recruiting sucked? i know seller was considered one of our best recruiters but what is that really saying? he's the best of the bad?
Huge hit to our recruiting as well.
It's not possible to know truly how good of a recruiter he is. He's been recruiting like a normal coach would for less than two months.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 02, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: KITNfury on February 02, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
Everybody needs to chill. We will have no idea whether this is a big deal for at least 3 years. I’m guessing it’s not.If Klieman can't replace position coaches with similar or better, we're mumped.
Post by: treysolid on February 02, 2019, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2019, 02:24:34 PM
The only thing that's really unfortunate about this is that it happened prior to NSD.
Yea I think they told Gavin Potter and Tyrone Lewis a few days ago, I think wilson stays but Potter never felt like he wanted to come here.
Post by: kashi1965 on February 02, 2019, 04:33:52 PM
hopefully the current commits stay with us i don't understand why players commit because of a single coach anyway. but none of these recruits is irreplaceable.The only thing that's really unfortunate about this is that it happened prior to NSD.
Yea I think they told Gavin Potter and Tyrone Lewis a few days ago, I think wilson stays but Potter never felt like he wanted to come here.
i'd like to have Potter if the coaches want Potter but i'm hoping we could find someone just as good or better next year with more time. most these recruits are players that the snyder regime recruited and we all know what our talent level is as a result. i think this class is more of the same unfortunately
Post by: MakeItRain on February 02, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
The only thing that's really unfortunate about this is that it happened prior to NSD.
Yea I think they told Gavin Potter and Tyrone Lewis a few days ago, I think wilson stays but Potter never felt like he wanted to come here.
They also took Blake off of Potter's recruitment when Hazelton was hired.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 04, 2019, 12:07:17 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 05, 2019, 09:45:31 AM
Seiler to my knowledge does not chew, would not have been a good fit winning this dang day.
this changes everything
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2019, 10:27:47 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 05, 2019, 10:30:28 AM
So LittreLL's contention that he would have to keep the whole staff was.?.?.?That was all made up
Post by: manpow5 on February 05, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2019, 07:23:18 PM
So LittreLL's contention that he would have to keep the whole staff was.?.?.?That was all made up
In fairness he, nor his agent, said that. The only report of this was from Tom Martin from some Kansas City television station. I don't think his source was within the athletic department or Bus Cook, because he was the only person to report that and others had other details. I think a booster who was unhappy with Gene or the search was the source.
Post by: PurpleOil on February 06, 2019, 09:01:26 AM
Kinda glad we got CK instead
Honestly, the longer things have gone on, so am I. I'll admit I initially wasn't too happy with the hire. However, with what I have seen him do with the program so far, it has me about as excited for next year as I could be in this situation.
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2019, 12:50:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 06, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1093291976479461378?s=19
Post by: wetwillie on February 06, 2019, 06:17:51 PM
Post by: KITNfury on February 06, 2019, 08:36:24 PM
Post by: TaqMan on February 07, 2019, 09:23:13 AM
Coaching Experience
1991: TCU (Graduate Assistant/Defensive Line)
1992-95: Minnesota (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line/Special Teams)
1996: Oklahoma State (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
1997-98: Northwestern (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
1999: Colorado (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2000-02: Texas A&M (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2003-06: Alabama (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2007: Nebraska (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2008-09: Texas A&M (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2010-14: Kansas (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2015-: SMU (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
I assume he went to App St. after 2015, now to the Cats. Seems like he jumps around a lot, and to some pretty big name schools. Hope that's not a red flag.
Post by: 'taterblast on February 07, 2019, 09:24:52 AM
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 08, 2019, 10:57:01 AM
Coaching Experience
1991: TCU (Graduate Assistant/Defensive Line)
1992-95: Minnesota (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line/Special Teams)
1996: Oklahoma State (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
1997-98: Northwestern (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
1999: Colorado (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2000-02: Texas A&M (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2003-06: Alabama (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2007: Nebraska (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2008-09: Texas A&M (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2010-14: Kansas (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
2015-: SMU (Assistant Coach/Defensive Line)
I assume he went to App St. after 2015, now to the Cats. Seems like he jumps around a lot, and to some pretty big name schools. Hope that's not a red flag.
How common is it for a position coach to jump this much? I just figure you resigned Mo Latimore every year and you were okay, but we're special at Kansas State. What's his recruiting pedigree?
Post by: jtksu on February 08, 2019, 04:12:43 PM
[q
i rubbed Chris Johnson's head!
Most under appreciated player in Kansas State history. Too bad he wasn't 3-5" taller, would have made a lot of money.
[/quote]
I once had sex with an ex of his. I can only assume she was less than thrilled.
Post by: kearneymen on February 09, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
no he was with SMU 14-17, KU for 18, hired by App St a month ago and then Monachino'd to the Cats
I like that he has spent at least one year looking at the current B12 offenses. Without Blake the staff needed someone who could provide a knowledge base. Good experience, good recruiting background, familiar with the state and has coached some kids to the NFL... seems like a solid hire, though I hated to see Seiler go.
Post by: lakesbison on February 12, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
Kinda glad we got CK instead
Honestly, the longer things have gone on, so am I. I'll admit I initially wasn't too happy with the hire. However, with what I have seen him do with the program so far, it has me about as excited for next year as I could be in this situation.
absolutely. you guys got dam lucky to get this crew. enjoy it
Post by: 'taterblast on February 27, 2020, 08:16:48 AM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 08:22:28 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 27, 2020, 08:29:27 AM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 08:32:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2020, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: Spracne on February 27, 2020, 08:48:57 AM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 08:53:11 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on February 27, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 08:58:15 AM
Post by: KITNfury on February 27, 2020, 11:01:42 AM
Post by: Cire on February 27, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 11:03:59 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2020, 11:10:39 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2020, 11:18:46 AM
What are we paying him now?Half of that
https://247sports.com/college/kansas-state/LongFormArticle/Kansas-State-football-assistant-coach-salaries-Scottie-Hazelton-Courtney-Messingham-Collin-Klein-Chris-Klieman-140247972/#140247972_1
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 11:26:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 12:11:16 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 27, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2020, 12:45:22 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 27, 2020, 01:03:11 PM
sweep left? zone blitz
deep bomb? double nickle slot cobra
etc
seems like the future to this cat fan. it's called artificial intelligence. AI.
Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
Post by: PurpleOil on February 27, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Losing Hazelton hurts.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 27, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
Damn butterfly effect.
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 01:37:29 PM
Post by: pissclams on February 27, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
Post by: _33 on February 27, 2020, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 27, 2020, 02:06:59 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2020, 02:20:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 27, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: nicname on February 27, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
One question that needs to be asked: Did the Powercat drive Hazelton away? Well, there's one glaring difference between KSU and MSU, only one has a Powercat. Looks like I just answered my own question. Hmmm. #DownWithThePowercat
PowerSpartan > Powercat? A rivalry brews.
Post by: Shooter Jones on February 27, 2020, 02:56:06 PM
crazy times we're living in here in wildcat nation. on the one hand we have a coach that we can't pay enough to get him to stick around...on the other hand we have a guy that can't get canned fast enough like wow just imagine if some other team came knockin for BRAD KORN you probably don't have that vivid an imagination because it would never happen but trust me when i say, wow. #kankorn
And as Haze walks we're probs finalizing a raise to keep Court Mess. #CleanTheMess
Post by: Pete on February 27, 2020, 02:57:38 PM
Mark Dantonio you bastard.
Damn butterfly effect.
It's the state of Michigan. John Beilein left West Virginia for Michigan, and West Virginia took Huggs from us.
Post by: KITNfury on February 27, 2020, 03:47:57 PM
Post by: nicname on February 27, 2020, 04:05:19 PM
Mark Dantonio you bastard.
Damn butterfly effect.
It's the state of Michigan. John Beilein left West Virginia for Michigan, and West Virginia took Huggs from us.
Goddamn michigan. The mistake on the lake(s).
Post by: OB_Won on February 27, 2020, 04:56:17 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 27, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 27, 2020, 06:55:01 PM
strength coach is interviewing at alabama rnFeels good to have someone Saban wants
Post by: KST8FAN on February 27, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
We could hire anyone from ZZ Top and we probably wouldn't notice.Head of the Duck Dynasty crew played football in college.
Tom
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Post by: CHONGS on February 27, 2020, 07:16:30 PM
But Meadowlark needs to show he can pull good coaches in.
Post by: Katpappy on February 27, 2020, 07:28:27 PM
I blame this on Katdaddy (??) for making fun of his wife's vacation pictures (iirc).
It was a legit question; she has some kind of shin condition and needs to be taken care of before it gets worst.
Post by: manpow5 on February 27, 2020, 10:37:05 PM
https://twitter.com/coacheschica/status/1233230690130546689?s=19
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2020, 07:35:23 AM
He's gone. Wife already confirming it in twitter
https://twitter.com/coacheschica/status/1233230690130546689?s=19
She has to be so rough ridin' grateful for the Mustang for hiring the Meadowlark. He's made them a lock to be young millionaires in one year. What ride. Could you imagine your spouse working hard for just an average company for like $150K (I think the assistants made around that at NDSU), and then out of no where your spouse gets an offer to double their pay. Then, one year later your spouse gets an offer to almost quadruple their pay. She's gotta feel like she won the lottery.
Post by: manpow5 on February 28, 2020, 07:47:12 AM
He's gone. Wife already confirming it in twitter
https://twitter.com/coacheschica/status/1233230690130546689?s=19
So has to be so rough ridin' grateful for the Mustang for hiring the Meadowlark. He's made them a lock to be young millionaires in one year. What ride. Could you imagine your spouse working hard for just an average company for like $150K (I think the assistants made around that at NDSU), and then out of no where your spouse gets an offer to double their pay. Then, one year later your spouse gets an offer to almost quadruple their pay. She's gotta feel like she won the lottery.
Dude is just gonna keep going up. Will be a HC one day IMO.
Post by: Pete on February 28, 2020, 07:58:55 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2020, 08:16:19 AM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 28, 2020, 08:43:24 AM
Post by: meow meow on February 28, 2020, 08:44:57 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2020, 11:57:52 AM
Do most P5 programs pay coordinators more than $1 million now?
no
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2020, 12:39:25 PM
He's gone. Wife already confirming it in twitter
https://twitter.com/coacheschica/status/1233230690130546689?s=19
She has to be so rough ridin' grateful for the Mustang for hiring the Meadowlark. He's made them a lock to be young millionaires in one year. What ride. Could you imagine your spouse working hard for just an average company for like $150K (I think the assistants made around that at NDSU), and then out of no where your spouse gets an offer to double their pay. Then, one year later your spouse gets an offer to almost quadruple their pay. She's gotta feel like she won the lottery.
They lived in Laramie rough ridin' Wyoming :Yuck:
Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 28, 2020, 01:04:46 PM
Post by: meow meow on February 28, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
Do most P5 programs pay coordinators more than $1 million now?
no
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
I think Hazelton did a great job last year, but $1 million seems awfully high compared to other coordinators given his current body of work.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 28, 2020, 01:59:35 PM
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/620/612/8612620.jpg?fit=bounds&crop=620:320,offset-y0.50&width=620&height=320)
Get @Bloodfart to make the call.
Post by: pissclams on February 28, 2020, 03:33:46 PM
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 01, 2020, 07:40:21 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2020, 09:21:24 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on March 02, 2020, 08:36:27 AM
Post by: manpow5 on March 02, 2020, 08:55:46 AM
Klanderman to DC, now looking for just a LB coach
Don't hate it, but not sure how he'll do compared to Hazelton.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 02, 2020, 09:07:33 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 02, 2020, 10:50:35 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on March 02, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
Post by: TheTruth on March 02, 2020, 01:31:30 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 02, 2020, 04:53:36 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 02, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
Post by: TheTruth on March 02, 2020, 05:31:01 PM
He’s been on Kli’s staff for 6 years, though. So resume aside you gotta think the HC has a pretty good feel for his competency.
Agreed and hoping for the best.
Post by: manpow5 on March 05, 2020, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on March 05, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 05, 2020, 12:33:21 PM
familiarity with staff and scheme as well as significant coordinator experience
not sure of his recruiting prowess tho
Post by: wetwillie on March 05, 2020, 12:46:20 PM
Post by: kashi1965 on March 05, 2020, 07:04:53 PM
Not saying old dudes can’t sling it on the recruiting trail but I was hoping for a young up and comer that would bring some more energy and youth to the staff.yes blah hire for recruiting. just another older white guy. seems like KSU loves older white coaches when other schools are going with more coaches of color.
we have to have the whitest program in the country. when the team runs out of the tunnel it looks like Blue Valley West high school team. just white kids every where. not sure if we just can't attract players and coaches of color or we are just ignorant to its benefits.
when you look at players/coaches at clemson, Bama, ohio state, OU they look different than ours. we should probably be copying what they do
Post by: joda on March 05, 2020, 07:57:12 PM
Not saying old dudes can’t sling it on the recruiting trail but I was hoping for a young up and comer that would bring some more energy and youth to the staff.yes blah hire for recruiting. just another older white guy. seems like KSU loves older white coaches when other schools are going with more coaches of color.
we have to have the whitest program in the country. when the team runs out of the tunnel it looks like Blue Valley West high school team. just white kids every where. not sure if we just can't attract players and coaches of color or we are just ignorant to its benefits.
when you look at players/coaches at clemson, Bama, ohio state, OU they look different than ours. we should probably be copying what they do
Man, why didn’t anyone think of doing what those schools do in recruiting, all schools just need to go take lessons from them and they too can win a natty
Post by: manpow5 on March 05, 2020, 09:29:58 PM
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
Post by: meow meow on March 06, 2020, 08:13:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 06, 2020, 08:18:46 AM
Oklahoma Coaching Staff POC - 6lol. I was going to say. What a dumbass take by kash.
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
Post by: Cire on March 06, 2020, 08:23:15 AM
Although someone who covers cuse said that he created relationships in the carolinas that were non existent before.
Hazelton did zero recruiting
Post by: ChiComCat on March 06, 2020, 09:53:27 AM
Post by: CatsNShocks on March 06, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
that was one hard and swift bodybagging
Literal LOL. :ROFL:
Post by: kashi1965 on March 06, 2020, 10:37:55 AM
Oklahoma Coaching Staff POC - 6we have 5 not 6
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
and i'm not just talking about coaching staff but coaching staff and roster together. go ahead and send me the rosters of alabama, ohio state, oklahoma and kansas state with pictures. I'm not necessarily saying there has to this many of these and that many of those. I'm simply making an observation about what the top programs rosters look like and what KSU looks like. and why is there such a discrepancy? and i'm not talking talent. i've always thought kansas state should prioritize diversity all over its campus more than the average university because i think it makes the school stronger and more attractive as well as the football program
Post by: meow meow on March 06, 2020, 10:45:23 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 06, 2020, 10:47:39 AM
I wonder where we get the majority of our players.....
Post by: LickNeckey on March 06, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
Oklahoma Coaching Staff POC - 6we have 5 not 6
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
and i'm not just talking about coaching staff but coaching staff and roster together. go ahead and send me the rosters of alabama, ohio state, oklahoma and kansas state with pictures. I'm not necessarily saying there has to this many of these and that many of those. I'm simply making an observation about what the top programs rosters look like and what KSU looks like. and why is there such a discrepancy? and i'm not talking talent. i've always thought kansas state should prioritize diversity all over its campus more than the average university because i think it makes the school stronger and more attractive as well as the football program
:Ugh:
Post by: WildcatNation on March 06, 2020, 12:25:54 PM
Oklahoma Coaching Staff POC - 6we have 5 not 6
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
and i'm not just talking about coaching staff but coaching staff and roster together. go ahead and send me the rosters of alabama, ohio state, oklahoma and kansas state with pictures. I'm not necessarily saying there has to this many of these and that many of those. I'm simply making an observation about what the top programs rosters look like and what KSU looks like. and why is there such a discrepancy? and i'm not talking talent. i've always thought kansas state should prioritize diversity all over its campus more than the average university because i think it makes the school stronger and more attractive as well as the football program
Have you ever seen Wisconsin's football team? JFC what a stupidly racist take. Why dont we worry about getting guys that are good at football instead of the color of their skin?
Post by: mocat on March 06, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
doubling down, i like it
double meow calling out doubling down, i like it
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 06, 2020, 07:29:31 PM
From the 2000 census, Kansas is 28th in percentage of black population, Alabama is 7th (4x), ohio is 18th (2x).
I wonder where we get the majority of our players.....
Based on recent offers, the staff is hoping Iowa.
Post by: Katpappy on March 08, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
From the 2000 census, Kansas is 28th in percentage of black population, Alabama is 7th (4x), ohio is 18th (2x).
I wonder where we get the majority of our players.....
Looks like Kashi1965 got the dbl body bag. :gocho:
Also, did Kashi wait from 1965 to come up with this concern. :surprised:
Post by: manpow5 on March 08, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
Highly entertaining quote from our new DC
Post by: kashi1965 on March 08, 2020, 04:39:18 PM
exactly. i am worried about getting the best football players. and if we did our roster would be more diversified than it is. it isn't as diversified as it could be because our recruiting is not very goodOklahoma Coaching Staff POC - 6we have 5 not 6
https://soonersports.com/sports/football/coaches?path=football
Alabama Coaching Staff POC - 4
https://rolltide.com/sports/football/coaches
Notable Ohio State Coaching Staff POC - 5
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/staff-directory/football/
K-State Coaching Staff POC - 6
https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/coaches
So we have as many POC on our staff as OU and more than Ohio State and Bama....
and i'm not just talking about coaching staff but coaching staff and roster together. go ahead and send me the rosters of alabama, ohio state, oklahoma and kansas state with pictures. I'm not necessarily saying there has to this many of these and that many of those. I'm simply making an observation about what the top programs rosters look like and what KSU looks like. and why is there such a discrepancy? and i'm not talking talent. i've always thought kansas state should prioritize diversity all over its campus more than the average university because i think it makes the school stronger and more attractive as well as the football program
Have you ever seen Wisconsin's football team? JFC what a stupidly racist take. Why dont we worry about getting guys that are good at football instead of the color of their skin?
Post by: LickNeckey on March 08, 2020, 04:59:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 08, 2020, 06:49:54 PM
Post by: kashi1965 on March 08, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
:lol: Our recruiting has gone up substantially since they got Kli, but apparently they’re not getting enough darkies for you. :lol:substantially? you mean from 10th to 8th/9th? let me know when they consistently finish in the top 4 in the league in recruiting then I'll back off bitching about it. something tells me your substantial improvement in recruiting is still a long ways off. and if/when it does ever happen it will be a result of a lot of diversity.
lets see though if Klieman can first just finish in the top 50 next year. i think the goal should be top 30 every year and top 25 in really good years
your choice of words to describe others is disgusting and ignorant and should probably get you kicked off message boards
Post by: manpow5 on March 08, 2020, 09:59:49 PM
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2021/all-teams/Football
Post by: dave on March 08, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
your choice of words to describe others is disgusting and ignorant and should probably get you kicked off message boards
You're definately on the wrong board
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2020, 04:23:56 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 09, 2020, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: manpow5 on March 09, 2020, 09:28:01 AM
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Post by: nicname on March 09, 2020, 10:50:17 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 09, 2020, 12:46:30 PM
Post by: Katpappy on March 09, 2020, 01:13:28 PM
:lol: Our recruiting has gone up substantially since they got Kli, but apparently they’re not getting enough darkies for you. :lol:
Man, MIR is going to rain down on you like crap from heaven! :nono:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 09, 2020, 02:23:44 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 09, 2020, 02:51:35 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
:lol: Our recruiting has gone up substantially since they got Kli, but apparently they’re not getting enough darkies for you. :lol:
Man, MIR is going to rain down on you like crap from heaven! :nono:
That's right out of my playbook. I'm like a proud big brother over here.
Post by: schreds21 on March 09, 2020, 06:49:23 PM
:lol::lol: Our recruiting has gone up substantially since they got Kli, but apparently they’re not getting enough darkies for you. :lol:
Man, MIR is going to rain down on you like crap from heaven! :nono:
That's right out of my playbook. I'm like a proud big brother over here.