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NDSU is 20th in the Sagarin ratings, which might be analytics’ best attempt to stack up every team in Division I. That’s better than every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and West Virginia. I think Texas would beat NDSU, but it’s fair to think 2018 NDSU could compete against the whole non-Oklahoma Big 12.
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Lance Leipold, who won six Division III national titles, is currently leading Buffalo to its best season ever. Jumping from non-scholarship DIII to the MAC is a significantly bigger jump than going from arguably the best non-FBS conference to a decent Power 5 league.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/11/18133415/chris-klieman-kansas-state-coach
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https://twitter.com/MattRHinton/status/1072328660991000576
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We'd be better, really.
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/11/18133415/chris-klieman-kansas-state-coach
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/11/18133415/chris-klieman-kansas-state-coach
I liked this section best
NDSU is 20th in the Sagarin ratings, which might be analytics’ best attempt to stack up every team in Division I. That’s better than every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and West Virginia. I think Texas would beat NDSU, but it’s fair to think 2018 NDSU could compete against the whole non-Oklahoma Big 12.
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Lance Leipold, who won six Division III national titles, is currently leading Buffalo to its best season ever. Jumping from non-scholarship DIII to the MAC is a significantly bigger jump than going from arguably the best non-FBS conference to a decent Power 5 league.
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Goddammit. I have my contacts out today. :curse:
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NDSU is 20th in the Sagarin ratings, which might be analytics’ best attempt to stack up every team in Division I. That’s better than every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and West Virginia. I think Texas would beat NDSU, but it’s fair to think 2018 NDSU could compete against the whole non-Oklahoma Big 12.
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:lol:
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Does this guy play bend but don’t break defense?
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Does this guy play bend but don’t break defense?
NDSU plays take no prisoners defense. I don’t think he even knows what prevent defense is.
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NDSU is 20th in the Sagarin ratings, which might be analytics’ best attempt to stack up every team in Division I. That’s better than every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and West Virginia. I think Texas would beat NDSU, but it’s fair to think 2018 NDSU could compete against the whole non-Oklahoma Big 12.
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Lance Leipold, who won six Division III national titles, is currently leading Buffalo to its best season ever. Jumping from non-scholarship DIII to the MAC is a significantly bigger jump than going from arguably the best non-FBS conference to a decent Power 5 league.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/12/11/18133415/chris-klieman-kansas-state-coach
this is so good, i want to read it again.
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it's kind of weird that the whole state of North Dakota is LRWTP fans now
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NDSU is 20th in the Sagarin ratings, which might be analytics’ best attempt to stack up every team in Division I. That’s better than every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and West Virginia. I think Texas would beat NDSU, but it’s fair to think 2018 NDSU could compete against the whole non-Oklahoma Big 12.
All that means is how far Bill let things fall and the Big 12 is top heavy.
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Does this guy play bend but don’t break defense?
NDSU plays take no prisoners defense. I don’t think he even knows what prevent defense is.
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Chris Klieman hiring grade: A.
Some K-State fans don’t like the idea of hiring an FCS coach whom the AD already knew. Counterpoint: North Dakota State would’ve beaten Kansas State in Manhattan this year — again. There’s reason to wonder if this will work, but that’s the case with ANY HIRE ANYWHERE. Stop dissing FCS
https://twitter.com/JasonKirkSBN/status/1072487521987235842
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I was told nobody gives a crap about sagarin because kstate plays the games.
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How many games you figure kly man is going to win in 2019 lolly guy?
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https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/12/05/coaching-carousel-grades-ryan-day-les-miles
4.0 > 3.6
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Hows your roster built?
Without watching a lick of kstate this year because of suck...
I think 2-1 non conf obv with MSU loss
Likely L at poke
Beat baylor TCU
Ou will be interesting...home game without Murray. If theyre not putting up ridic numbers ill give them an outside chance
Beat KU
Lose Texas
Beat WVU without Grier
Who knows what TT will be without coach Bro
Win Farmegeddon
So if you lose the obv roadies of MSU and Texas...wild card split with the Oklahoma schools
Then sneak a sweep of tcu wv and iowa st...
Id say 7-8 wins with CKs blueprint and players buying into the system.
Good thing hes a defensive kind who runs a pro style offense to offset the worthless spread bullshit. B12 wont know what hit em when they see 2 tight ends and a full back.
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I would kill a drifter for 8 wins next year. We have a Pro Style QB and the leading rusher in the Big 12 returning with something serviceable at o line I think. Our defense is so devoid of talent I’m not sure what can be done with it.
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I would kill a drifter for 8 wins next year. We have a Pro Style QB and the leading rusher in the Big 12 returning with something serviceable at o line I think. Our defense is so devoid of talent I’m not sure what can be done with it.
anyone heard how Barnes took the news?
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The Chris Klieman (Fuckus Headum) is a medium-sized icterid coach, about 8.5 in (22 cm) in length. It nests on the ground in open grasslands across western and central North America. It feeds mostly on insects, but will also feed on seeds and berries. The Chris Klieman has distinctive calls described as watery or flute-like, which distinguish it from the closely related LHC Bill Snyder.
Chris Klieman adults have yellow underparts with a black "V" on the breast and white flanks streaked with black. Their upper parts are mostly brown, but also have black streaks. These birds have long, pointed bills and their heads are striped with light brown and black bands.
The breeding habitats of Chris Klieman are grasslands, prairies, pastures, and abandoned fields, all of which may be found across western and central North America, as far south as northern Mexico. In regions where their range overlaps with the eastern species, these coaches prefer thinner, drier vegetation; the two type of coaches generally do not interbreed but do defend territory against one another. Their nests are situated on the ground, and are covered with a roof woven from grass. There may be more than one nesting female in a male's territory. Nests are sometimes destroyed by mowing operations with eggs and young in them.
Chris Kliemans are permanent residents throughout much of their range. Northern coaches may migrate to the southern parts of their range; some coaches also move east in the southern United States.
These coaches forage on the ground or in low to semi-low vegetation. They sometimes search for food by probing with their bills. They mainly eat insects, although they will consume seeds and berries. In winter, these coaches often feed in flocks.
Chris Kliemans will occasionally interbreed with Bill Snyders where their ranges overlap; however, resulting young appear to have low fertility.[3]
These two species were considered to be the same species for some time; the Klieman species, having been overlooked for some time, was given the species name Headum.
The Chris Klieman is the state coach of six states: Montana, Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oregon, and Wyoming. The Todd Graham, which represents seven states, is the only bird to hold the status of state coach in more states.
During the 2017 regular session of the Oregon Legislature, there was a short-lived controversy over the Chris Klieman's status as state coach versus the osprey. The sometimes-spirited debate included a legislator playing the Klieman's song on his smartphone over the House microphone.[4] A compromise was reached in SCR 18,[5] which was passed on the last day of the session, designating the Chris Klieman as the state coach and the Mike Belotti as the state emperor.
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Tim Grunhard on 810 with Soren Petro:
-I have worked directly with Chris. He's the real deal. He has two Miege kids right now. Nothing but class and has one hell of a staff.
-(Didn't get the name) Their OC and running back coach is one of the brightest minds in football. I watched in awe that running game against a very good Colgate defense.
-I'll say this.....Les probably has a leg up in recruiting, but Chris and that staff probably has an advantage in coaching.
-Will he get 3 and 4 star kids? Yes, I think he will. He would come down and was very honest recruiter. If you watch their (NDSU) OL, they are so athletic. You'll see K-State go to a more athletic offensive line. You can recruit them easier for one thing (vs the big kids).
-NDSU does an unbelievable job of finding the right guys to fit their system....and then they develop the heck out of them. Yes, it's about jimmy and joes......but it so much about finding and developing too.
-What's the biggest difference with NDSU vs. a K-State offensive line? Not much. You just have to be able to project. It'll be no different at K-State (or Oklahoma State, KU, Oregon State, etc.). You have to be able to find the guys that you know will develop.
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Well I'm glad they could run the ball vs a bottle of toothpaste.
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https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1072569456021331968
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"Good man and good coach", "no doubt he will have great success" =kiss of death. He is going to suck.
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Shut up, Schreds.
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I will not be quieted.
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I just wish the quote said: “I was so impressed I offered him our DC position on the spot, but he said he was holding out for his dream to coach at a land grant university.”
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B12 wont know what hit em when they see 2 tight ends and a full back.
:buh-bye:
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https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1072569456021331968
Excited to see this quote on the back of one of the Ice Family Jumbotrons next fall.
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am I supposed to be happy that dabo called him "good" and that some other guy said that if he can just do what he did at his previous job that we should be about the same as we have been the last five years?
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BITB is on board
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am I supposed to be happy that dabo called him "good" and that some other guy said that if he can just do what he did at his previous job that we should be about the same as we have been the last five years?
What coaches say is meaningless. I'm finding it interesting that informed people outside our fan base genuinely think that it's a good hire.
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k-state football is looking pretty thirsty in their validation of #LIVEANDLETKLIE
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Yeah how sad is that to look to other universities to validate our coaching hire?
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BITB is on board
He is probably owed an apology by some on this board for his breaking scoops of gene’s whereabouts in regards to meeting with Klieman.
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https://twitter.com/CFBNerds/status/1072511926624808961?s=19
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https://twitter.com/CFBNerds/status/1072511926624808961?s=19
Other way around...saban replaces CK
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I will not be quieted.
You heard him Dirty. Take a lap.
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I will not be quieted.
You won't be klieted...bro
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am I supposed to be happy that dabo called him "good" and that some other guy said that if he can just do what he did at his previous job that we should be about the same as we have been the last five years?
What coaches say is meaningless. I'm finding it interesting that informed people outside our fan base genuinely think that it's a good hire.
they think it's a good hire in the same way that they think it's great that the nerd guy got a date to the dance with a nerd girl. they're like oh that's a good match. good for him. pat on the head.
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
Great read... Thanks, _FAN.
:thumbs:
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People will come around.
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
"It’s hard to imagine a coach coming to Kansas State and executing the “recruit Texas and run the HUNH” strategy better than the programs already attempting that such as Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, etc."
yeah it's definitely hard to imagine us doing something better than Oklahoma state, tcu or Baylor. jesus Christ get this guy out of my face. :flush:
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always dominant tcu and Baylor! how can little old kstate every do something better than them? I can't imagine it. can you imagine it? no. no I can't imagine it either. :flush: :flush:
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knock knock
who's there
kstate
kstate who
kstate trying to do something better in football than tcu and Baylor
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Poor daris hasn’t accepted the reality of the market yet :frown:
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
Bruh.
:lynchmob: :excited:
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poor Rick
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
"It’s hard to imagine a coach coming to Kansas State and executing the “recruit Texas and run the HUNH” strategy better than the programs already attempting that such as Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, etc."
yeah it's definitely hard to imagine us doing something better than Oklahoma state, tcu or Baylor. jesus Christ get this guy out of my face. :flush:
The question is whether KSU is better off playing the same game and competing for the same recruits at schools that are far more entrenched in the area. I think the article makes a compelling case that you don’t have to do that in order to be successful in the Big 12 and that there is a path of less resistance available that CK is well positioned to exploit.
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
"It’s hard to imagine a coach coming to Kansas State and executing the “recruit Texas and run the HUNH” strategy better than the programs already attempting that such as Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, etc."
yeah it's definitely hard to imagine us doing something better than Oklahoma state, tcu or Baylor. jesus Christ get this guy out of my face. :flush:
The question is whether KSU is better off playing the same game and competing for the same recruits at schools that are far more entrenched in the area. I think the article makes a compelling case that you don’t have to do that in order to be successful in the Big 12 and that there is a path of less resistance available that CK is well positioned to exploit.
Another question: was there any middle ground between a FBS coach that would try the exact same strategy as other teams in the conference and eff head?
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I'm no historian but i thought Osborne was successful not by doing what others did better but by doing what others didn't do better.
He made his legend by having better OLs and DLs than anyone else.
he filled in skill positions with handful of out of state elite athletes
as his dominance in the trenches increased he was able to attract better and better skill position players over time
He didn't need 6 4-star WRs he only needed 2
Boyd also pointed out that schools can not recruit TX high schools without a man on the inside. nobody will do that better than texas and Ok
the key to all this is having superior OLs and DLs than the competition.
Thats what NEB did and its what NDSU has done at their level.
I don't know how one would expect ksu to have better lines than other b12 schools
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Army's Monken would be a guy who was extremely successful at FCS, went G5, and runs an alternative system to B12 powerhouses.
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My guy Ian Boyd....
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2018/12/11/18135990/can-chris-klieman-duplicate-bison-dominance-at-kansas-state-north-dakota-state
"It’s hard to imagine a coach coming to Kansas State and executing the “recruit Texas and run the HUNH” strategy better than the programs already attempting that such as Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, etc."
yeah it's definitely hard to imagine us doing something better than Oklahoma state, tcu or Baylor. jesus Christ get this guy out of my face. :flush:
The question is whether KSU is better off playing the same game and competing for the same recruits at schools that are far more entrenched in the area. I think the article makes a compelling case that you don’t have to do that in order to be successful in the Big 12 and that there is a path of less resistance available that CK is well positioned to exploit.
Another question: was there any middle ground between a FBS coach that would try the exact same strategy as other teams in the conference and eff head?
It depends what you mean by middle ground. As many have pointed out, objective measures indicate CK has put together a team that could be in the top 25 of FBS teams on a fraction of the budget. I certainly am not aware of any top 25 FBS head coach that we had a decent shot at.
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I guess we are very lucky that no other school was able to figure out this magical formula before OBz could be terminated.
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“This guy must suck because no other school took him before us.”
-Every Nancy Neg fan at every school ever
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I will not be quieted.
You heard him Dirty. Take a lap.
mind your business, band boy.
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I will not be quieted.
You won't be klieted...bro
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I'm no historian but i thought Osborne was successful not by doing what others did better but by doing what others didn't do better.
He made his legend by having better OLs and DLs than anyone else.
he filled in skill positions with handful of out of state elite athletes
as his dominance in the trenches increased he was able to attract better and better skill position players over time
He didn't need 6 4-star WRs he only needed 2
Boyd also pointed out that schools can not recruit TX high schools without a man on the inside. nobody will do that better than texas and Ok
the key to all this is having superior OLs and DLs than the competition.
Thats what NEB did and its what NDSU has done at their level.
I don't know how one would expect ksu to have better lines than other b12 schools
You are clearly a historian because you are talking about someone who coached before any of us were born. I had to Google "Osborne NEB" and I got a bunch of clips of a team running the Navy offense.
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Osborne was Art Briles, but before the internet.
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He landed in MHK