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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: BackPayne on November 03, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
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So who are legitimate options for us?
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IMO the following constraint will be put on any possible coaching search:
* Coached or played under LHC Bill Snyder
Including this limitation (among others) I think the possible candidates are then only:
Jim Leavitt
Brent Venebles
Sean Snyder
Bert Bielma
Dana Dimel
Chuck Long
Mike Stoops
Mike Ekeler
Bob Stoops (but c'mon that's not happening)
(I might be missing someone...)
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Litrell, leavitt, other shitty up and comers.... put the rest out of your mind.
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Litrell, leavitt, other shitty up and comers.... put the rest out of your mind.
You'd better get on your effing phone to your in-laws to get Brent on the phone.
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Well if KU is looking at Les Miles we should be laser focused on Nick Saban IMO.
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Litrell, leavitt, other shitty up and comers.... put the rest out of your mind.
You'd better get on your effing phone to your in-laws to get Brent on the phone.
I wish. Gene started this process a few weeks back. He wants to put his nuts on this thing. Not sure what he’ll do if Snyder comes back and says he wants to continue. Would be a super weird situation.
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If Bill does that...mother effer.
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I still can't get my head around wanting the UNT guy. Very sad state of things.
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Right there with ya.
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If we get confirmation they are actually seeking out the UNT guy we should Currie Gene.
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Right there with ya.
Unholy alliance
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:cheers:
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Donors are being told Litrell is Campbell.
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Donors are being told Litrell is Campbell.
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Like it's a good thing?????
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I know, trust me, I know.
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LittreLL
Venables (yeah, I know)
Scott Satterfield
Jeff Monken
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This seems way too simple to me:
1) Courtesy, bit in reality an exit, interview to our coordinators
2) Offer Venables a contract like Frost or Smart got
3) If Venables says “no” call Kentucky, Purdue and NC State and at least give their head coaches a nice raise
4) If they all say “no,” sort through the LittreLL type of candidates
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This seems way too simple to me:
1) Courtesy, bit in reality an exit, interview to our coordinators
2) Offer Venables a contract like Frost or Smart got
3) If Venables says “no” call Kentucky, Purdue and NC State and at least give their head coaches a nice raise
4) If they all say “no,” sort through the LittreLL type of candidates
This
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This seems way too simple to me:
1) Courtesy, bit in reality an exit, interview to our coordinators
2) Offer Venables a contract like Frost or Smart got
3) If Venables says “no” call Kentucky, Purdue and NC State and at least give their head coaches a nice raise
4) If they all say “no,” sort through the LittreLL type of candidates
I know I mentioned PJ in jest earlier but FFS we aren’t going to take another P5 teams coach.
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This seems way too simple to me:
1) Courtesy, bit in reality an exit, interview to our coordinators
2) Offer Venables a contract like Frost or Smart got
3) If Venables says “no” call Kentucky, Purdue and NC State and at least give their head coaches a nice raise
4) If they all say “no,” sort through the LittreLL type of candidates
I know I mentioned PJ in jest earlier but FFS we aren’t going to take another P5 teams coach.
unless they are fired or about to be fired. Like maybe we could have gotten Kevin Sumlin last year or someone like Kliff Kingsbury this year.
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This seems way too simple to me:
1) Courtesy, bit in reality an exit, interview to our coordinators
2) Offer Venables a contract like Frost or Smart got
3) If Venables says “no” call Kentucky, Purdue and NC State and at least give their head coaches a nice raise
4) If they all say “no,” sort through the LittreLL type of candidates
I know I mentioned PJ in jest earlier but FFS we aren’t going to take another P5 teams coach.
Oh I agree, hence my comment that “you call” because as an AD it is your job.
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PJ may be available soon. He's apparently not good at rowing in Minnesota.
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IMO this thread should be locked, we have a head coach.
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With Tom Brady being an old man, Bill Belichik is going to want to coach somewhere with a good QB. What better spot than future NFL'r Skylar Thompson?
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
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LoL at offering Stoops. Love him and what he's doing. He ain't even looking at ksu. Nobody on that stuff except Smith wants to work here.
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IMO the following constraint will be put on any possible coaching search:
* Coached or played under LHC LHC Bill Snyder
Including this limitation (among others) I think the possible candidates are then only:
Jim Leavitt
Brent Venebles
Sean Snyder
Bert Bielma
Dana Dimel
Chuck Long
Mike Stoops
Mike Ekeler
Bob Stoops (but c'mon that's not happening)
(I might be missing someone...)
Mark Mangino
I know it's tuck to adhere to the principle that LHCBS found a unique way to win at K-State, and that his replacement will need to build upon that system. If that's true, new coach has to come from the tree. Jim Leavitt WANTS to come here. Why not Leavitt?
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IMO the following constraint will be put on any possible coaching search:
* Coached or played under LHC LHC Bill Snyder
Including this limitation (among others) I think the possible candidates are then only:
Jim Leavitt
Brent Venebles
Sean Snyder
Bert Bielma
Dana Dimel
Chuck Long
Mike Stoops
Mike Ekeler
Bob Stoops (but c'mon that's not happening)
(I might be missing someone...)
Mark Mangino
I know it's tuck to adhere to the principle that LHCBS found a unique way to win at K-State, and that his replacement will need to build upon that system. If that's true, new coach has to come from the tree. Jim Leavitt WANTS to come here. Why not Leavitt?
I'd be ok w/ Leavitt. Not ecstatic, but I'll probably be less happy about whoever we do get than I would with him.
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i'd rather have Leavitt than LittreLL, but that's only because i've heard of Leavitt, and he seems entertaining. what's LittreLL like on twitter?
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I don't think I could tell the difference between Litrell and Seiler in a lineup.
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(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/college-football-oklahoma-seth-LittreLL-in-action-scoring-touchdown-picture-id181673455?s=612x612)
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
Not that great at football
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Won't pretend to know a lot about LittreLL, but NT beat one team prior to LittreLL. He came in and won 5, then 9, and is currently 7-2 according to Wikipedia. Not a ton of data points, but otherwise seems good.
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
Not that great at football
Seems like he's constantly bringing in good assistants, so could be good if we'd end up w/one of them stepping up after Leach gets fired for doing something stupid.
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
Not that great at football
compared to whom? I will predict that he's great at football relative relative to whoever we end up hiring.
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I'm imagining Leach coming in the football complex, and replacing all the 16 goals stuff with pirate phrases and such
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I would like a Huggins-type hire. Anyone with a show-cause right now in college football? Jim Tressel?
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No current show causes, tressels ended 2 years ago
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What is the best team that UNT has beaten with LittreLL at the helm? UAB in 2017? Arkansas this year?
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The best thing LittreLL has going for him is that we don't know his ceiling. We can fantasize about him ending up being a great coach, while we already know most of the other candidates will never be better than mediocre.
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What is the best team that UNT has beaten with LittreLL at the helm? UAB in 2017? Arkansas this year?
Run it through ChUPAR
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The best thing LittreLL has going for him is that we don't know his ceiling. We can fantasize about him ending up being a great coach, while we already know most of the other candidates will never be better than mediocre.
Fair point. Also, he’s not ugly.
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LittreLL is probably who skylars Dad told gene it would take for him to stay
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How many nfl qb's has Shittrell produced???
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What is the best team that UNT has beaten with LittreLL at the helm? UAB in 2017? Arkansas this year?
Fair enough. Still like him.
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LittreLL has a nice pedigree.
Leavitt would be super duper Meh and I think the ceiling would be 6 or 7 wins with him.
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3rd highest rated class for non P5 schools last year. Mid 50s, just below Memphis and over 30 spots better than K-State.
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3rd highest rated class for non P5 schools last year. Mid 50s, just below Memphis and over 30 spots better than K-State.
Now that kind of talk gets me excited!
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The best thing LittreLL has going for him is that we don't know his ceiling. We can fantasize about him ending up being a great coach, while we already know most of the other candidates will never be better than mediocre.
If we want any kind of success approaching Snyder's, we'll have to gamble to get it. I'm ok w/ a gamble. Venzy is a gamble for that matter, but I do love that he's coach under presumably 3 HOF coaches. But he's still a coordinator w/ no HC experience.
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LittreLL's W/L record is padded each year with 3 of the worst 10 programs in CFB. The recruiting thing is nice to hear though. I'm not against him but I don't think he's high enough quality that he needs to be locked down the first week of November.
Leach is probably the most accomplished head coach that we may have an actual shot at. His history shows that he can build a 7 to 9 win teams consistently and do it anywhere. The only knocks I have on him is that he seems to have a pretty hard ceiling and he is crazy (which isn't all bad).
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FTR, I would go Leach, Venzy, LittreLL right now. I think Leach and LittreLL are more likely than Venzy though.
I would love Leach because he's got a big personality, which I think helps in replacing a legendary coach. He kind of did this once in replacing Spyke Dykes at Tech. He's won at least 8 games 12 of the last 15 seasons at programs similar in stature to K-State. He would definitetly be a guy who would prove you can "win at K-State without Snyder". I could see 8-10 years mainly with 8-9 wins and a couple double digit win seasons if he came here.
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What am I missing about the state of the WSU program that makes anyone think he would leave for kstate?
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His history shows that he can build a 7 to 9 win teams consistently and do it anywhere. The only knocks I have on him is that he seems to have a pretty hard ceiling and he is crazy (which isn't all bad).
does he still have a hard ceiling if he goes 12-1 this year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)
(also, didn't realize how long it's been since he left Tech)
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What am I missing about the state of the WSU program that makes anyone think he would leave for kstate?
MHK is about a 10x better place to live than Pullman for starters.
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What am I missing about the state of the WSU program that makes anyone think he would leave for kstate?
(https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/456/2016/11/Kirk-Schulz-Magazine.jpg)
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ChUPAR is not in love with WAZZU this year. It has a lot to do with playing a super shitty non-con and then the Pac-12 kinda sucking this year.
To be fair, however, they would be the third best team in the Big 12 year.
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Leach would be a great hire, but I think he's least likely to come here out of just about every name mentioned. But yea, give him call. May as well call Bob too, who gives a crap of they say no (and Bob would).
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I think it would be easier to recruit to KSU. the entire PNW is pretty isolated to begin with, and Pullman is about as remote as it gets. I bet it's a pretty cool place to go to college, just a logistics challenge.
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also I had no idea Leach hired the minnesota coach!!!
https://wsucougars.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1653&path=football
wait wrong minny coach
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I mean if leach is even a remote possibility you throw as much money at him as you can. I assume they can and will pay him as much as we could. I’d be shocked if he hated the animal enough to lateral.
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I mean if leach is even a remote possibility you throw as much money at him as you can. I assume they can and will pay him as much as we could. I’d be shocked if he hated the animal enough to lateral.
agreed something like that would never happen we have no evidence of something similar happening at KSU sports especially
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I could see Leach coming here just to own Tech.
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Kstate is the better job you dolts.
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Unless you think Tennessee is some ultra-prestigious dream job, last year showed he'll dump wazzu for just about anything. He took that gig just off of having chatted w/currie for a bit in LA. Wooing him out of Pullman hasn't been the issue.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2018/06/18/mike-leach-twitter-shows-why-bigger-schools-avoid-hiring-him/710530002/
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What am I missing about the state of the WSU program that makes anyone think he would leave for kstate?
He was begging Currie for the Tennessee job last year.
Granted, we aren't quite Tennessee, but I think he'd listen to K-State. Plus, he's already got recruiting ties to Texas and as others have said, he'd love to beat Tech yearly.
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Kstate is the better job you dolts.
Yea probably, but not a eff ton better. It's close to a lateral move that could fail. I don't know what the hell goes on in his pirate brain, maybe he'd come here for a song or maybe he'd say screw off for a huge chunk. It's not a given he would accept. And if it is, he should be our next coach.
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It’s better in every way though. Not a ton better in any but better in every single way possible and that adds up. That said who knows how comfortable he is or if he wants a change. Total wildcard!
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I mean if leach is even a remote possibility you throw as much money at him as you can. I assume they can and will pay him as much as we could. I’d be shocked if he hated the animal enough to lateral.
agreed something like that would never happen we have no evidence of something similar happening at KSU sports especially
Woof
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His history shows that he can build a 7 to 9 win teams consistently and do it anywhere. The only knocks I have on him is that he seems to have a pretty hard ceiling and he is crazy (which isn't all bad).
does he still have a hard ceiling if he goes 12-1 this year?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Leach_(American_football_coach)
(also, didn't realize how long it's been since he left Tech)
I don't recall enough Leach games to guess what the issues were, but it always struck me as strange how non-competitive his teams were a couple of times a year. His teams are absurdly consistent and it surprises me that he didn't have more than one really good season. A 12-1 season would probably change my opinion some, but still seems like an outlier.
Regardless, he would be towards the top of my list. Consistent 8 and 9 win seasons means games with some stakes. Leach means crazy entertaining bullshit. As a K-State fan, what more could you possibly ask for?
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Having to play good Texas and Oklahoma teams every year tends to hurt a program's overall record.
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I'd take a coach that won a minimum of 7 and a max of 9 regular seasons in a heart beat. Someone said it earlier, but as much as anything, a big thing is to have multiple coaches that succeed here. I don't believe for a second that - as good as Snyder was - Bill is the only guy that can win here. He might have been the only guy that could get us here though. Now is the time to build and /or sustain.
I mean, if we can win at a decent clip for 10 more years, we're talking about 35 years of pretty good success.
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Having to play good Texas and Oklahoma teams every year tends to hurt a program's overall record.
True. For a while the B12 south was a monster
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LittreLL has UNT at 26th in the S&P+ this right now.
That's pretty impressive, even if you ignore the state of things when he got there.
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the other night, KK was texting me and said he'd like to see ken niumatalolo over LittreLL :lol:
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
Not that great at football
compared to whom? I will predict that he's great at football relative relative to whoever we end up hiring.
Who we currently have. Since he got to Washington State his wins number is within a couple of games, give or take, as Snyder's in the same time period. I looked it up like a month ago. If Snyder were to stay on in certain this year would be an aberration and most years we'd be at 6-8 wins, that's exactly what Leach is.
I have no idea what Venables, LittreLL, Kleiman, Satterfield, et al would do here, I'm certain what Leach would do.
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This year will only be the third time Leach will have a better S& P+ than Snyder. Again I'll ask, what's the point?
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none of these people have any claim to the job.
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Do not want Leach. :th_twocents:
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A lot of you are either conveniently ignoring or substantially under estimating how shitty the P12 has been the last few years. It's 2008 nortard shitty.
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If you wouldn't take Leach then you are a giant babidiot what.
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Leach coming here would be EXACTLY the shot in the arm this blog needs.
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I don't know anything about the new Pres/AD at K-State but hiring Leach doesn't seem very K-Statey
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I don't know anything about the new Pres/AD at K-State but hiring Leach doesn't seem very K-Statey
Also leach is hugely over rated
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I am fine as a k-state fan with being consistently in the 7-9 win range with every once in a while being a conference champ threat
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I don't think Leach is rated enough. He's turned over two dog crap programs in the middle of nowhere.
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Who we currently have. Since he got to Washington State his wins number is within a couple of games, give or take, as Snyder's in the same time period. I looked it up like a month ago. If Snyder were to stay on in certain this year would be an aberration and most years we'd be at 6-8 wins, that's exactly what Leach is.
I have no idea what Venables, LittreLL, Kleiman, Satterfield, et al would do here, I'm certain what Leach would do.
I think you're underselling Leach a little. He is pretty much 8 or 9 wins with the exception of a very rare high or low outlier. I would be really happy with that, especially if the person doing it is offensive oriented, crazy, and younger.
I get what you're saying that Leach probably won't get us close to the playoff in late November ever, but I would still take him with such a high floor.
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Who we currently have. Since he got to Washington State his wins number is within a couple of games, give or take, as Snyder's in the same time period. I looked it up like a month ago. If Snyder were to stay on in certain this year would be an aberration and most years we'd be at 6-8 wins, that's exactly what Leach is.
I have no idea what Venables, LittreLL, Kleiman, Satterfield, et al would do here, I'm certain what Leach would do.
I think you're underselling Leach a little. He is pretty much 8 or 9 wins with the exception of a very rare high or low outlier. I would be really happy with that, especially if the person doing it is offensive oriented, crazy, and younger.
I get what you're saying that Leach probably won't get us close to the playoff in late November ever, but I would still take him with such a high floor.
You're describing a SLTH. Leach would be fun but I think it's pretty unlikely we make a move on him. Maybe we should, but I doubt we do.
I really don't get why some people here are sour on Seth LittreLL. I think he's as good a bet as anyone, and the beauty of it is, we're actually pursuing him.
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Remember when we thought Bill might retire last year and we did the annual who would we want excercise? How come LittreLL never came up once?
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Remember when we thought Bill might retire last year and we did the annual who would we want excercise? How come LittreLL never came up once?
The fake fair catch punt return was this year.
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You're describing a SLTH. Leach would be fun but I think it's pretty unlikely we make a move on him. Maybe we should, but I doubt we do.
I really don't get why some people here are sour on Seth LittreLL. I think he's as good a bet as anyone, and the beauty of it is, we're actually pursuing him.
I think a floor of 8 or 9 wins is above SLTH level, granted that does seem to come with a ceiling. I think we have a shot at Leach but I also think it's a longshot that we seriously consider him.
I don't hate LittreLL, I just think we're not looking at some better options we should be if we were trying to lock him down in October.
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Remember when we thought Bill might retire last year and we did the annual who would we want excercise? How come LittreLL never came up once?
I don't know who I want, I change my mind every time I think about it. I have a list though. In no order
Lane
Brent
Sean
Seth LittreLL
Willie Fritz
Scott Satterfield
Dave Clawson
Bryan Harsin
Matt Rhule
Derek Mason
Blake Anderson
Lane is an exception to my never fired rule, he was 28-15 at USC.
Jeesh this is just the best timing to say something so stupid. Our program is fracked
Who would you consider K-State's top candidates? Now and as of a month ago.
Leavitt, Sean, Beilema, Venzy.. Are all still just as available as they were weeks ago.
I'd throw in a guy like Seth LittreLL still being attainable as well.
Bring in Seth LittreLL at HCIW and he’ll bring Graham Harrell and that hot O for Sky guy.
Smack thwarted
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
I don't think he's quite as good this year but still WOULD TAKE. Maybe my top choice.
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
I don't think he's quite as good this year but still WOULD TAKE. Maybe my top choice.
What an amazing career, even just from reading his wikipedia!
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You're describing a SLTH. Leach would be fun but I think it's pretty unlikely we make a move on him. Maybe we should, but I doubt we do.
I really don't get why some people here are sour on Seth LittreLL. I think he's as good a bet as anyone, and the beauty of it is, we're actually pursuing him.
I think a floor of 8 or 9 wins is above SLTH level, granted that does seem to come with a ceiling. I think we have a shot at Leach but I also think it's a longshot that we seriously consider him.
I don't hate LittreLL, I just think we're not looking at some better options we should be if we were trying to lock him down in October.
Proud Paul is the football definition of SLTH.
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You're describing a SLTH. Leach would be fun but I think it's pretty unlikely we make a move on him. Maybe we should, but I doubt we do.
I really don't get why some people here are sour on Seth LittreLL. I think he's as good a bet as anyone, and the beauty of it is, we're actually pursuing him.
I think a floor of 8 or 9 wins is above SLTH level, granted that does seem to come with a ceiling. I think we have a shot at Leach but I also think it's a longshot that we seriously consider him.
I don't hate LittreLL, I just think we're not looking at some better options we should be if we were trying to lock him down in October.
Proud Paul is the football definition of SLTH.
Proud Paul is only solid long term at a football wasteland with low standards and lower self-esteem. He would have gotten gassed after 3 years at every other school in the country. Not only has he not been able to get a group of 5 job, but he hasn't even been able to get a DC job, he's white Ron Prince.
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
I don't think he's quite as good this year but still WOULD TAKE. Maybe my top choice.
Lane kiffin would be the worst hire possible. He’s a complete mess. His own brother left his staff. He will flame out at fau and I doubt he will be coaching football in 5 years. Source- pretty darned good.
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He's also a giant douchebag. There are some pretty amazing articles about his journey from bottom to the top and bottom and top and etc etc etc.
DO NOT WANT!
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
I don't think he's quite as good this year but still WOULD TAKE. Maybe my top choice.
Lane kiffin would be the worst hire possible. He’s a complete mess. His own brother left his staff. He will flame out at fau and I doubt he will be coaching football in 5 years. Source- pretty darned good.
Trust Daris on this
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Well I’ll be, I guess he was mentioned. Don’t think anyone was riding hard for him however. I totally forgot about Lane Kiffen. That would be exciting.
I don't think he's quite as good this year but still WOULD TAKE. Maybe my top choice.
Lane kiffin would be the worst hire possible. He’s a complete mess. His own brother left his staff. He will flame out at fau and I doubt he will be coaching football in 5 years. Source- pretty darned good.
Trust Daris on this
His offensive coordinator is 24 year old Charlie Weis Jr :lol:
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kiffin doesn’t even drive anymore if that gives you an idea about his ability to function. Like, he has a full time driver because he actually needs one.
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
Not that great at football
compared to whom? I will predict that he's great at football relative relative to whoever we end up hiring.
Who we currently have. Since he got to Washington State his wins number is within a couple of games, give or take, as Snyder's in the same time period. I looked it up like a month ago. If Snyder were to stay on in certain this year would be an aberration and most years we'd be at 6-8 wins, that's exactly what Leach is.
I have no idea what Venables, LittreLL, Kleiman, Satterfield, et al would do here, I'm certain what Leach would do.
Mike Leach has won 8 or more regular season games in the last 4 seasons and will almost definitely win more this year...Snyder's won 8 regular season games once in the last 4 seasons and will almost definitely fewer than six this year.
And to your other point that Leach will only beat Snyder in that S& P+ for the third time this year...it will happen two years in a row.
Honestly I think now we're a 5-7 win program that can win 9 in an exceptional year while Leach has built a 7-9 win program that can win 11 in an exceptional year. Which is what Snyder 2.0 HAD been and I would take right now. I may be reacting too strongly to the last two seasons, but I don't see any indication that Snyder will improve any time soon, while I would absolutely accept Leach's results and trajectory. Admittedly I don't know exactly what Leach's recruiting looks like, but I am assuming they're in a more stable position.
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kiffin doesn’t even drive anymore if that gives you an idea about his ability to function. Like, he has a full time driver because he actually needs one.
this reminds me of someone!
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Does that person also show up an hour late to team meetings completely incoherent?
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Are you talking about Steve Sarkesian?
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GUYS SCREW IT LET'S GO FOR SARK
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Very sad news about lane, hope he gets the help he needs.
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Some stuff on Leach starting at 8:30 including why he's been stuck in the Lubbocks and Pullmans and struggles against well-coached teams: https://www.spreaker.com/user/9808617/softy-2018-11-07-petros-papadakis
The pirate theory on finding his qb is pretty funny.
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Leach - Too much of a POS, or good enough at football to overlook all that?
This is tough. I suppose that since I refuse to support K-State basketball on the grounds that the coach is a piece of crap dork wad, I should apply the same criteria to football. However, the football coach will not be hired by the AD who killed fun KSU basketball for me, so I will give a POS football coach a shot to earn my support. In my judgment, there is enough of a differentiation in these situations to allow this alternative treatment. Proceed with Leach at all haste, TIA.
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I just think leach is annoying. I get his appeal though
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Even if he wasn’t a great fit, Leach would be good for the long term health of the program. He’s one of very few candidates that I can be confident would do things his own way from day 1 instead of trying to appease people and pay homage to an outgoing legend. I think that sort of mental block could mess with a lot of other coaches.
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Even if he wasn’t a great fit, Leach would be good for the long term health of the program. He’s one of very few candidates that I can be confident would do things his own way from day 1 instead of trying to appease people and pay homage to an outgoing legend. I think that sort of mental block could mess with a lot of other coaches.
it's the only reason prince failed
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Even if he wasn’t a great fit, Leach would be good for the long term health of the program. He’s one of very few candidates that I can be confident would do things his own way from day 1 instead of trying to appease people and pay homage to an outgoing legend. I think that sort of mental block could mess with a lot of other coaches.
it's the only reason prince failed
I don’t think that was the only reason, see also: Ron Prince Stories thread
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Even if he wasn’t a great fit, Leach would be good for the long term health of the program. He’s one of very few candidates that I can be confident would do things his own way from day 1 instead of trying to appease people and pay homage to an outgoing legend. I think that sort of mental block could mess with a lot of other coaches.
it's the only reason prince failed
Prince had never established that his vast plans in his binder could/would work. I actually think he had a chance to make them work if he had been able to work with other good coaches; ie. his first staff. And had he not felt the need to insert his thumb into things he had no business dealing with, namely the defense. The 2008 defense gave up an astonishing 3 points per possession to opponents and it wasn't because of the lack of talent. I'd say that defense was more talented than the one we have now, but the Bosco Boy's podcast with Ian Cambell and Reggie Walker is very revealing not only to how bad Prince was to the players, but his ineptitude in trying to adjust the defensive philosophy. Prince and Leach both have big personalities, but that is where the comparison ends. And as has been said, Leach's persona as a coach in following Snyder is one of the major reasons I like him.
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Prince failed because he wouldn’t let Reggie walker on the field
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Sorry, only reason
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Sorry, only reason
:D
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Chris Klieman, N Dakota State.
3 times FCS National Champion
63-6
Taylor''s friend.
51 years old.
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That wouldn't surprise me, but I'd rather have LittreLL or Venables
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Has there been any successful p5 coach that jumped up from fcs?
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Has there been any successful p5 coach that jumped up from fcs?
Jim Tressel and Jim Harbaugh immediately come to mind
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Paul Johnson might depending on how you define success and if you overlook his time at navy
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Jim tressel is interesting.
Where did squawkbaugh coach?
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Jim tressel is interesting.
Where did squawkbaugh coach?
San Diego
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Ah, I always assumed it was sd state.
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While he'd be my 5th or 6th choice, I could deal with NDSU guy if I knew what kind of staff he would be putting together.
Has to be guys with P5 experience IMO.
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ND State is like the TTech of rolling out QB's of coaches. None of them really hit big time except for one.
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well articulated wacky
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ND State is like the TTech of rolling out QB's of coaches. None of them really hit big time except for one.
What?
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I think he's saying that Craig Bohl has failed at Wyoming.
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he's saying ndsu is a system and it's not the coach kind of like how ttech is the system and not some great qb after great qb putting up the numbers.
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No, he’s saying NDSU coaches look sexy until they land somewhere else, similar to TTU QBs (except for the one that won the Heisman last year and the other one who is breaking NFL records his first season of action).
He’s not suggesting there’s a reason it’s true, just that it is.
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pretty sure he was referencing Carson Wentz
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No, he’s saying NDSU coaches look sexy until they land somewhere else, similar to TTU QBs (except for the one that won the Heisman last year and the other one who is breaking NFL records his first season of action).
He’s not suggesting there’s a reason it’s true, just that it is.
This!
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I guess LittreLL was distracted by job hunting today.
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I think Snyder pulls of a miracle in aimes and grinds one out at home against tech to make a bowl game and gets another extension. We can shut this down.
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I guess LittreLL was distracted by job hunting today.
Yeah, that was not pretty.
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ODU's had some crazy wins
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I guess LittreLL was distracted by job hunting today.
Talk about a game of two different halves. NT scores 28 unanswered and then ODU goes on a 34-3 run.
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I guess LittreLL was distracted by job hunting today.
Talk about a game of two different halves. NT scores 28 unanswered and then ODU goes on a 34-3 run.
Yeah, weird deal. I watched the first half to see what the "chatter" was about.
The offense was fun to watch, lots of different sets, lots of motion, multiple players got the ball, etc. I noticed that the QB run game was very limited. All of the skill players seemed to be juniors and sophomores, an indication of LittreLL's recruiting. Additionally, the announcers commented that the Mean Green only have thrown two interceptions. My initial reaction was that Skylar would be a great fit, but maybe not Delton.
The defense looked concerning to me. It looked like an odd 3-4/ 3-3 stack / 4-2 hybrid and I had Cosh and Tibesar flashbacks. Apparently it has been working for them, but I was a little underwhelmed. I don't think the type of defense is very important, however, it seems like the type of athlete (and nose tackle) required to pull off a 3 down-lineman set are hard for KSU to find, but that's just a personal opinion.
The talent seemed to be at average CSUA level, which given the poor 2014-2015 seasons I am sure the talent buildup will take awhile for LittreLL. Most of the play makers on offense and defense were players LittreLL would have recruited (eg juniors or less).
Since I just watched one half, I don't have any real thoughts but it does seem like LittreLL is a hot commodity with some good coaching success. I am still hopeful that the 1% chance of the Venables boat comes to KSU's port, but no hire is a sure-fire thing.
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According to the ABC affiliate in Denver, Colorado will "part ways" with HC Mike MacIntyre at the end of this season.
Now in his sixth season in Boulder, MacIntyre has posted a 30-43 record and qualified for one bowl. The Colorado brass appears to have soured completely on him during the current five-game losing streak that followed a 5-0 start. Included in those five losses was the punting of a 31-3 second half lead against Oregon State that led to one of the biggest upsets of the season. The Buffs now must beat either Utah or California to qualify for a bowl game. Three years and about $10 million remain on MacIntyre's contract. Frankly, we're a little surprised that CU is pulling the plug. MacIntyre seemed to be building a sustainable model for regular bowl contention. The reason this season went south has less to do with him than the injury to all-world WR Laviska Shenault, which changed the complexion of the entire team.
Source: ABC 7 in Denver Nov 13 - 12:04 PM
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I think we should look into Jim McElwain. Anyone who is willing to get naked with a shark has what it takes to replace a legend and win in Manhattan.
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Everyone tuned into CBSS for this North Texas v FAU game?
Tom
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Everyone tuned into CBSS for this North Texas v FAU game?
Tom
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I am now, Tom. LittreLL vs Lane Kiffin! There's plenty of good seats available in their whale tail end zone seating, and by plenty I mean all of them. :frown:
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FAU just took the lead as I was typing that post. We might have a Hot Potato on our hands!
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Seth's D is crap.
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Just gave up 17-0 lead.
Tom
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We might have a Hot Potato on our hands!
:love:
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Ooooh we got a classic cleat tangle in the FAU-UNT game!!
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o man 38-41 late in the 4th!!! Can #OurGuy pull it out??
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Yup
We gotta hire this guy
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I took an allergy pill so my ass was knocked out sometime in the 3rd quarter and unfortunately I missed this Conference USA Mid Week After Dark Hot Potato.
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I just received news from a Realtor source tonight that Bob Stoops just bought a house in Colbert Hills.
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I just received news from a Realtor source tonight that Bob Stoops just bought a house in Colbert Hills.
:lol: omg
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Start tracking the flights!
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This is pretty old news guys...
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I was just confirming any suspicions
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I just received news from a Realtor source tonight that Bob Stoops just bought a house in Colbert Hills.
appreciate you luke
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https://lmtribune.com/northwest/wsu-estimates-leach-tweet-cost-wsu-million-in-estate-gifts/article_25f1d048-ae9c-5120-bbef-61a59af9685d.html
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:love:
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https://lmtribune.com/northwest/wsu-estimates-leach-tweet-cost-wsu-million-in-estate-gifts/article_25f1d048-ae9c-5120-bbef-61a59af9685d.html
I'm sure that new picture in his office has more than compensated.
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https://twitter.com/A_Jude/status/1066205773561126913
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That co-DC seems like a real turd burglar.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725832-kliff-kingsbury-reportedly-fired-as-texas-tech-head-coach-after-6-seasonshttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/2725832-kliff-kingsbury-reportedly-fired-as-texas-tech-head-coach-after-6-seasons
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Tech apparently wants venables
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Tech apparently wants venables
I'll kill myself.
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We should hire Kirby and Brent and bring them both home in a package deal.
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The Mustang may just be stupid enough to try it.
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The search is going to be so Kstateo.
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If Brent goes to Tech, I will have no choice but to hope that he fails miserably just so we don't look quite as incredibly stupid for not hiring him.
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bret bielema
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bret bielema
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Your first post is straight fire
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bret bielema
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Your first post is straight fire
It’ll probably be LHCBS next year anyway. Or Sean.
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michigancat, please call this guy about Bielema's status with K-State:
Neil M. Cornrich
NC SPORTS, LLC
2000 Auburn Drive, Suite 315
Beachwood, Ohio 44122
(216) 514-9999
[email protected]
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https://sports.yahoo.com/10-candidates-texas-tech-coaching-job-will-red-raiders-turn-next-173516630.html
Tom
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michigancat, please call this guy about Bielema's status with K-State:
Neil M. Cornrich
NC SPORTS, LLC
2000 Auburn Drive, Suite 315
Beachwood, Ohio 44122
(216) 514-9999
[email protected]
:lol:
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Is major applewhite above or below the burn it down line?
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/10-candidates-texas-tech-coaching-job-will-red-raiders-turn-next-173516630.html
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The comments from the tech fans to that article are, ummm, interesting. First comment doesn't want Venables, he wants Leavitt.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/10-candidates-texas-tech-coaching-job-will-red-raiders-turn-next-173516630.html
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The comments from the tech fans to that article are, ummm, interesting. First comment doesn't want Venables, he wants Leavitt.
Tech has interesting dynamic with former coaches son in the mix per this article.
Tom
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bret bielema
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Your first post is straight fire
It’ll probably be LHCBS next year anyway. Or Sean.
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Sean's been the coach the past 2+ years anyway.
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bret bielema
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Your first post is straight fire
It’ll probably be LHCBS next year anyway. Or Sean.
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Sean's been the coach the past 2+ years anyway.
Yep. If you want 5-6 wins seasons forever. Sean appears to be your guy
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I don't think Sean would consistently get to 5-6 wins
bold statement, I know
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i want sean to continue to soil kansas state's loins with the snyder legacy
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Personally, the way Sir Sean’s special teams have deteriorated recently makes me wonder if he’d even win a Big 12 game in his first year
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I know the Dimel's are laughting at Sean's ST coaching skills this year. Revenge is sweet.
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I know the Dimel's are laughting at Sean's ST coaching skills this year. Revenge is sweet.
If you in fact know that, and aren't full of crap, you might want to tell them to shut the hell up. UTEP was nearly 100 teams worse when it comes to special teams efficiency
http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings/_/sort/stEfficiency/tab/efficiency
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Leavitt, LittreLL, ndst dork, some mountain west dork.
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someone who can recruit better than our current staff.Someone who can coach and call plays better than our current staff. That's who..I don't see why some would see things as a slight towards Snyder to want a coaching change. It's time to move forward.Or we will need to start a "ksu football is hurting" thread very soon.
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We are being outrecruited by old Dominian.Snyder has to step down.If he doesn't then he must bite the bullet and bring in new coordinators.Our defense needs Leavitt.Our offense needs an upgrade.And our recruiters need to be allowed to recruit.This isn't rocket science. Very frustrating to watch this team blow that game on Saturday. This is a broken team.And they are all responsible for it Including the Snyders.Fix it or get the eff out.
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bucknbasscat EXPLODES on the gE scene :love:
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
This. I’d be cool with him, but people are acting like he’s some savior.
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bucknbasscat EXPLODES on the gE scene :love:
I have been watching this board since it was first started.Just needed to vent a little.I suspect there will be more to come.I hope there is never a reason for this place to go away :katpak:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Xn7djbJA
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The internet says TTU is looking at big game bob, further proof that most of the internet is stupid
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The internet says TTU is looking at big game bob, further proof that most of the internet is stupid
Once again, we forge an uneasy alliance...agreed, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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As long as you remember I'm boss, I'll allow it
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The internet says TTU is looking at big game bob, further proof that most of the internet is stupid
I hope they are distracted in that futile attempt and let us at least offer BV
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As long as you remember I'm boss, I'll allow it
Outside-of-the-pit Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) is a top 10 poster
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
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I'm setting the over/under on Mike Leach winning P5 conference championships at 1, who is putting their hard earned money on the over? Bill would absolutely win 8 a year in the Pac 12.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
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So my favorite rumor of the day, and I emphasize that this is just a rumor, is that LHC Bill Snyder met with his oncologist today and his preferred replacement not named Sean Snyder. Apparently Bill’s second choice (behind Sean) has been asked and said no, so Bill applied personal and direct pressure.
Also a part of that rumor is, he met with his Dr. to get a clean bill of health because he hasn’t completely made up his mind if he’s leaving or not. :facepalm:
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
The Kendall Briles thing is also a minus, you're right.
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So my favorite rumor of the day, and I emphasize that this is just a rumor, is that LHC Bill Snyder met with his oncologist today and his preferred replacement not named Sean Snyder. Apparently Bill’s second choice (behind Sean) has been asked and said no, so Bill applied personal and direct pressure.
Also a part of that rumor is, he met with his Dr. to get a clean bill of health because he hasn’t completely made up his mind if he’s leaving or not. :facepalm:
hmmm. He has it pretty good where he's at.
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So my favorite rumor of the day, and I emphasize that this is just a rumor, is that LHC LHC Bill Snyder met with his oncologist today and his preferred replacement not named Sean Snyder. Apparently Bill’s second choice (behind Sean) has been asked and said no, so Bill applied personal and direct pressure.
Also a part of that rumor is, he met with his Dr. to get a clean bill of health because he hasn’t completely made up his mind if he’s leaving or not. :facepalm:
hmmm. He has it pretty good where he's at.
I have always assumed that Bill’s preference after Sean was Leavitt.
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One would think.
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Seniors look out for each other. Of course his preference is someone who is at minimum 60 years old.
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any love for the Troy guy......Neal Brown? beat OU i think.........nevermind, I'll stop typing.....
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
The Kendall Briles thing is also a minus, you're right.
i don't think hiring kendall is a minus. seems like a good guy, good wife, kids, etc. also kendall had to get out of the mess that was lane kiffin. win/win for both.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
The Kendall Briles thing is also a minus, you're right.
i don't think hiring kendall is a minus. seems like a good guy, good wife, kids, etc. also kendall had to get out of the mess that was lane kiffin. win/win for both.
eh when you're kinda scandally it's probably not a good idea to hire a scandally OC. I'm sure there's plenty of qualified coach's sons who aren't scandally out there.
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I thought we here at gE embraced the MCMW philosophy? Does that not extend to coaches? I mean obviously no one wants anyone from Baylor, but Major "The Little" Applewhite?
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I don’t think MCMW applies to the coaches themselves but maybe I’m wrong. Also after further investigation major appears to be mediocre at best as a head coach.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
The Kendall Briles thing is also a minus, you're right.
i don't think hiring kendall is a minus. seems like a good guy, good wife, kids, etc. also kendall had to get out of the mess that was lane kiffin. win/win for both.
eh when you're kinda scandally it's probably not a good idea to hire a scandally OC. I'm sure there's plenty of qualified coach's sons who aren't scandally out there.
kendall is pretty clean in all of it though. also, all things point to him being a very, very good OC. I would have hired him in a second if i were applewhite. houstons offense is roughly a billion times better with him and faus is around a billion times worse without him. probably not just coincidences.
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31 players committed at least 52 rapes and people are wondering if Kendal knew what was going down? eff him, he shouldn't be around students at any level.
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I think Kendall deserves a shot independent of his dad but he was complicit in what happened at Baylor.
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Definitely below
If it's not Leach, LittreLL, or venables then it's time to burn it down.
Not sure what makes LittreLL better than Applewhite.
Applewhite has had personal issues and he has some of that Tom Herman (off the field) stink on him.
I want no part of Applewhite because he always seems on the verge of scandal. We're not UT we can't weather that type out storm.
fair, for the most part. I'd forgotten about his creepy texting, don't know what "seems on the verge of scandal" means. But the creepy stuff isn't the best.
Maybe not verge of scandal but there seems to be something constantly around him. He gets busted having an affair with a student four years after the fact. Then when he's fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, pretty quickly after the scandal, he hires Kendall Briles. He doesn't seem worth the trouble if you have options.
The Kendall Briles thing is also a minus, you're right.
i don't think hiring kendall is a minus. seems like a good guy, good wife, kids, etc. also kendall had to get out of the mess that was lane kiffin. win/win for both.
eh when you're kinda scandally it's probably not a good idea to hire a scandally OC. I'm sure there's plenty of qualified coach's sons who aren't scandally out there.
kendall is pretty clean in all of it though. also, all things point to him being a very, very good OC. I would have hired him in a second if i were applewhite. houstons offense is roughly a billion times better with him and faus is around a billion times worse without him. probably not just coincidences.
Kendall was clean from the perspective of he wasn't a decision maker, but you'd have to be very forgiving to believe that the son of the head coach had zero input, knowledge, or ability to influence change. Every coach on the staff accepted Baylor's culture of women as objects and rape as a mean to an end. Even if you want to believe Kendall had no responsibility in the moment, his behavior at Baylor the year after his dad was let go was self-serving and irresponsible to the community, at best.
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31 players committed at least 52 rapes and people are wondering if Kendal knew what was going down? eff him, he shouldn't be around students at any level.
This hits to the root of the issue with football culture in general and with Major and Kendall specifically. If I were an alum or student at Houston I really have to wonder how the young men, going into that program, are being mentored at how to treat women. Neither Applewhite nor Briles or Ken Starr or Ian McCaw for that matter never had to publicly fall on a sword to get second chances, Kendall spent a year publicly victimizing himself and his dad. How does anyone know that he's learned anything?
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It’s a pretty tough spot to call out a super popular head coach who also happens to be your dad, but yeah I agree we only really have one data point on the piece of crap scale and it doesn’t look good for him.
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That said, would anyone complain if he came on staff and whooped ass without any more off field issues?
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I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my parents did or did not do at their work.
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The criticism relates more to him being a member of the staff than being a coach’s son. Does being his son make him more likely to know about all the allegations? Maybe, but I sure doubt Art was talking about them at Thanksgiving or anything like that.
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I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my parents did or did not do at their work.
He was on the staff for eight years
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I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my parents did or did not do at their work.
He was on the staff for eight years
I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my boss did or did not do at their work.
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I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my parents did or did not do at their work.
He was on the staff for eight years
I don't know about you guys but I personally would hate to be judged for the rest of my professional life based on what my boss did or did not do at their work.
I would, too. That is why I'd probably call the police if my boss were actively covering up rapes and asking me to help keep things quiet.
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It’s a pretty tough spot to call out a super popular head coach who also happens to be your dad, but yeah I agree we only really have one data point on the piece of crap scale and it doesn’t look good for him.
He didn't need to call out his father or the program, he was still in the program after his dad was fired. He was on the interim staff and if he wasn't going to apologize, he just needed to keep his mouth shut. He didn't do that, he started an active campaign that was essentially "you're with us or you're against us." Not only did his actions alienate victims that were still on campus but he neutered Jim Grobe who was there to clean up and start to move on.
Kendall Briles deserves the opportunity to make a living, so does his dad. I have a big issue with Kendall Briles and Ian McCaw are out there profiting off of what was accomplished by fostering an environment of permitting serial rape without even issuing a public apology.