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Title: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
 :pray:

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Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 28, 2018, 06:54:25 PM
too many trips to Pizza Ranch for that guy
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2018, 07:07:02 PM
I want someone better but if he's the best we can get then ok I guess
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on October 28, 2018, 07:32:13 PM
Um...better?
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: slackcat on October 28, 2018, 08:02:21 PM
Oh hell no.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: WildcatPower on October 28, 2018, 08:47:00 PM
Not going to be him.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: pissclams on October 28, 2018, 09:37:51 PM
bret’s bets
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: ben ji on October 28, 2018, 10:07:04 PM
I mean if Venables and Leavitt don't answer on the first ring I could see him getting an interview and winning 7-10 games a year at Kansas State University.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: WildcatPower on October 28, 2018, 10:59:11 PM
Won't be him.  He got some issues.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 28, 2018, 11:45:28 PM
That he's not Craig Bohl, who we'll inevitably end up with? Yes, I agree, that will be an issue for The Mustang.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on October 29, 2018, 09:06:23 AM
That he's not Craig Bohl, who we'll inevitably end up with? Yes, I agree, that will be an issue for The Mustang.

yes, to expected

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or Leavitt, the 62yo.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on October 29, 2018, 09:07:43 AM
or could also be this stud
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Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: KITNfury on October 29, 2018, 09:30:15 AM
I don't really know if Bret picked up a crack addiction or something, but if not he would be a great hire.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 29, 2018, 09:33:34 AM
Would take Bielma
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: kearneymen on October 29, 2018, 11:26:16 AM
That he's not Craig Bohl, who we'll inevitably end up with? Yes, I agree, that will be an issue for The Mustang.

yes, to expected

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/MountainWestMD-2016-0726-CraigBohl.png/220px-MountainWestMD-2016-0726-CraigBohl.png)

or Leavitt, the 62yo.


Bohl (who is 60) is an exciting 16-21 in the stellar Mountain West Conference (sarcasm alert). He replaced Dave Christensen who was fired after a 16-23 Mountain West record.

Klieman’s FBS coaching experience is 1 year as a DB coach for KU in 1997... My sense is that most P5 head coaches have coached at the FBS level in the last 20 years.

If this is the best that Taylor can get we are in big trouble.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: PIPE on October 29, 2018, 11:43:11 AM
GUys, Snyder on his press conference just said he doesn't think about coaching the next year until after the season is over.  Why are we talking about this now?
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Trim on October 29, 2018, 11:49:24 AM
GUys, Snyder on his press conference just said he doesn't think about coaching the next year until after the season is over.  Why are we talking about this now?

We got beat badly by ou.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: meow meow on October 29, 2018, 02:24:08 PM
GUys, Snyder on his press conference just said he doesn't think about coaching the next year until after the season is over.  Why are we talking about this now?

because Tim Fitzgerald wrote an article on gpc.com
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on October 29, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
Because the people have spoken and the people love Bret.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Kat Kid on November 01, 2018, 04:15:53 PM
I am not going to sit here and pretend like I would not enjoy Bret Bielema as coach of my Kansas State Wildcats.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: IPA4Me on November 01, 2018, 09:07:06 PM
Would be nice hire. He's just loving that nfl life now. Can't see it happening.

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Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: wetwillie on November 01, 2018, 09:13:55 PM
If he’s our coach he’s bert and that’s non negotiable
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Bill Clarahan on November 02, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
Won't be him.  He got some issues.

Who doesn't
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: I_have_purplewood on December 07, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
:pray:

I will not take this seriously until I see at least THREE people post that the ink is dry and an announcement is coming this afternoon.

I will also use this time to bitch about the server speed because I might not be able to get another post in until midnight.   Is this what it was like when you had to dial up?  I'm trying for 1700 posts here people. 
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: schreds21 on December 07, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
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I will also use this time to bitch about the server speed because I might not be able to get another post in until midnight.   Is this what it was like when you had to dial up?  I'm trying for 1700 posts here people.
This is what happens when more than 10 people a day try to post in this shithole
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2018, 10:31:58 PM
I 100% agree that he is an absolutely perfect candidate. As I've said before, he both is and is not a Snyder guy.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: catastrophe on December 07, 2018, 10:34:33 PM
We have a very good track record with coaches who were fired from historically better programs. Bert is most definitely a KSU guy.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 07, 2018, 10:46:40 PM
Bret is a rough ridin’ heart attack/DUI/sex scandal away from having his OC take over 3 years into his contract. 
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 07, 2018, 11:39:15 PM
Bret is a rough ridin’ heart attack/DUI/sex scandal away from having his OC take over 3 years into his contract.
We're the school that hired Bob Huggins.   We resurrected his career and he saved KSU basketball.   Furthermore,  he's coaching dlinemen at New England.   You don't get that opportunity with Belichick if you don't have your act together.
Aside from being only the 2nd sleaziest dirtball to ever roam the sidelines in MHK under former LHCBS [Mangino?] Bret has got to be the most memorable.  He was known to pork court a few scutterheads around campus in his time here (just ask Lefty), but there was also that time he got a DUI here and cried about it to the team begging for their forgiveness.  Arkansas and Wiscy fans will be quick to tell you not much has changed.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: IPA4Me on December 08, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
It would be one heck of a party.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: KITNfury on December 08, 2018, 07:46:43 AM
I like him more now
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 08, 2018, 08:15:59 AM
I like this Oyster_Trousers guy
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2018, 08:19:30 AM
Bret’s extracurricular’s don’t even register.  He isn’t a very good football coach.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 08, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
I like this Oyster_Trousers guy

Seems like a total douche to me Ben
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: KITNfury on December 08, 2018, 08:56:28 AM
 I would take Bret in a heartbeat irl
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2018, 09:04:06 AM
Bret’s extracurricular’s don’t even register.  He isn’t a very good football coach.
Agreed,  the big 10 voted him coach of the year because he isn't a very good football coach.  Career .626 win pct.  12 year career: 2 losing seasons,  9 seasons of ranked teams. 

His last 5 years of coaching a P5 team look like this:

Arkansas:   29–34   11–29


That’s a hard pass
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Pete on December 08, 2018, 09:09:44 AM
Hard pass for sure.  He appears to have been on a very self destructive path for some years now.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2018, 09:26:53 AM
You can rationalize it however you want, including dropping Nichols State from the 2nd year schedule and making it look like they played Texas in the regular season, but he still sucks sorry.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: j rake on December 08, 2018, 09:48:52 AM
not only would beilema be the most risk averse hire of any non-babers candidate i've seen mentioned, he also carries the most upside.

as noted in the re-paste in two posts above this, i view his arkansas tenure as a positive, not a negative. his style of football will maximize k-state's chances of winning in the big 12, he specializes in defense which i think is a plus, he won at a level at wiscy that exceeds program maintainer - he actually took them to greater heights than alvarez did in the six years leading up to his hire - and he stood toe to toe with SEC powerhouses in his second year at a loser arkansas program.

beilema entered the SEC at its absolute peak, particularly the SEC west, where they had roughly five top-10 programs at the time of his arrival; and roughly seven or eight top-20 level teams overall. it would have been tough for urban meyer to turn that around, let alone beilema. don't get me wrong, urban would have turned the corner in due time. but it wouldn't be overnight. that was a hard, hard, hard situation to walk into.

again, i want to point out that in beilema's 2nd year at arkansas, he went up against what undoubtedly is the hardest schedule in the history of college football. they could play football another 100 years, and you won't see a team play a more challenging schedule. and beilema took that 2nd-year team, which was total crap the year prior, and finished 7-6 with a bowl win over texas. he beat ole miss 30-0 as a 3-pt underdog. he went 10-3 against the spread. it was a great coaching job, and arkansas was a top-15 level team. a year later, beilema went 8-5, had a top-20 level team, and also covered the spread in 8 of 13 games. he won three times as an underdog - all on the road, at lsu, at tennessee, at ole miss. he lost to bama by 13 (but covered the spread), he lost to a&m in OT (but covered the spread).

beilema can flat out coach.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 08, 2018, 10:02:34 AM
Idk I think the .626 win % coupled with a big 10 COY (and a handful of mediocre seasons where his teams quit buying in) is very gross and Snyderesque.  I thought we were trying to get away from that.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: j rake on December 08, 2018, 10:12:42 AM
Idk I think the .626 win % coupled with a big 10 COY (and a handful of mediocre seasons where his teams quit buying in) is very gross and Snyderesque.  I thought we were trying to get away from that.

k-state tried to get away from that. that's why they targeted the loser north texas coach. he said no, so here you are.

semi consistent 7-5 or 8-4 seasons with the occasional chance at something big when everything lines up every five years is the best that k-state is going to do until further notice. there is nothing in k-state's history, nothing in its recruiting rankings, nothing in its current program status, nothing in its budget, nothing in the level of coach it can possibly hire, to suggest otherwise at this moment in time.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 10:19:47 AM



semi consistent 7-5 or 8-4 seasons with the occasional chance at something big when everything lines up every five years is the best that k-state is going to do until further notice. there is nothing in k-state's history, nothing in its recruiting rankings, nothing in its current program status, nothing in its budget, nothing in the level of coach it can possibly hire, to suggest otherwise at this moment in time.

Honestly this is what makes Corey Kleinmon so intriguing. Sure he's likely to go down in flames but there's a shot that he could be really amazing. Six losses in five years is insane!

I realize they are like the FCS version of Bama but still his record is pretty crazy!

Just do something different than what every single peer of KSU would do
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: chum1 on December 08, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
I feel like the arguments against Bret are basically the same as what the arguments against oscar were at the time. Which is lovely given that oscar has a top 20 ranked team coming off an Elite Eight year.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
Bielema, Venables and the Pirate would have to tell me a strong no before I considered a mid major candidate.   I will agree that Brets desire should be questioned in the vetting process.   LHC Bill Snyder,  Barry Alvarez and Bill Belichick are pretty good evaluators of coaching talent and all 3 saw something special in Bielema. He seems happy with the Patriots and looks better than his last year at Arky.
Chum it's happening!!!
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Cire on December 08, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
Not being considered because he drinks a lot


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Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
god damnit that rough rider recruited top 30 classes every single year to Arkansas.  He looks like an obese Rob Riggle though. I guess I’ve let my bias towards his total disregard for his own well being cloud my ability to judge him as a high level recruiter and football coach. 
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 08, 2018, 11:34:09 AM
Interesting fact my wife use to babysit Rob Riggle’s kids when they still lived in OP.
Title: Re: WELCOME BRET
Post by: schreds21 on December 10, 2018, 08:03:12 AM
I feel like the arguments against Bret are basically the same as what the arguments against oscar were at the time. Which is lovely given that oscar has had a top 20 ranked team coming off an Elite Eight year.