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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2010, 10:59:39 AM
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he's on the same station that has a decent local morning show that I listen to from time to time.
I have to admit it was kind of funny. He had a segment about the timeline of the Exxon Valdez oil spill . . . it was a series of articles by date in relation to when the accident occured. By 14 days after the spill, Bush 1 had federalized the entire clean up effort, taking it out the hands of Exxon and was mobilizing troops. However . . .. according to the media at the time it way to little, way to late. By Day 30 George Mitchell was calling for congressional hearings about the "slow" Federal Response . . . compared to today where we are at what? Day 37 or so and it pretty much appears that at this juncture Barry Obama couldn't possibly give a $hit.
They then played the clip of none other than James Carville was on pretty much saying that we had a disengaged president and a complete Federal Cluster F_ck. Meanwhile Clinton's pi$$boy Steffy did nothing but whine and ask just how much a president can really do.
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Obama did decide to start his Memorial day weekend a day late and drop by Louisiana on Friday. Good for him. :driving:
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Everyone knows you're complete :opcat: if you disagree with anything Obama does!
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it is amazing how there are no libel or slanderous claims against Beck.... the allegations he pumps out are friggin serious. But I guess its best to just keep quiet than to open pandora's box. "Call me!" lololol
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it is amazing how there are no libel or slanderous claims against Beck.... the allegations he pumps out are friggin serious. But I guess its best to just keep quiet than to open pandora's box. "Call me!" lololol
1. libel or slander has to be demonstrably false. His facts and theories are well researched and documented.
2. He comments on public figures, which gives him pretty much full leeway when it comes to commenting on the subject's political actions.
3. Is woodrow wilson going to zombify and rise from the grave and sue?
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it is amazing how there are no libel or slanderous claims against Beck.... the allegations he pumps out are friggin serious. But I guess its best to just keep quiet than to open pandora's box. "Call me!" lololol
1. libel or slander has to be demonstrably false. His facts and theories are well researched and documented.
2. He comments on public figures, which gives him pretty much full leeway when it comes to commenting on the subject's political actions.
3. Is woodrow wilson going to zombify and rise from the grave and sue?
That's what I love about libel/slander. The onus is on the plaintiff to prove what was said/printed is false.
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I jumped off the Beck bandwagon a while ago, but he does raise a lot of good points
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it is amazing how there are no libel or slanderous claims against Beck.... the allegations he pumps out are friggin serious. But I guess its best to just keep quiet than to open pandora's box. "Call me!" lololol
1. libel or slander has to be demonstrably false. His facts and theories are well researched and documented.
2. He comments on public figures, which gives him pretty much full leeway when it comes to commenting on the subject's political actions.
3. Is woodrow wilson going to zombify and rise from the grave and sue?
libel/slander doesn't really hold water in claims against comments that can be demonstrated as opinion, specially with public figures.
That's what I love about libel/slander. The onus is on the plaintiff to prove what was said/printed is false.
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I'd be more inclined to give Beck props if he wasn't mormon
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I'd be more inclined to give Beck props if he wasn't mormon
He is? I mean he's an idiot so that sounds about right
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I'd be more inclined to give Beck props if he wasn't mormon
He is? I mean he's an idiot so that sounds about right
I jumped off the Beck bandwagon a while ago, but he does raise a lot of good points
he makes good points, but he's an idiot?
seriously, he presents researched info that is supplied to him.... are the suppliers of the information the idiots?
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Well the oil is still gushing . . . and the Obama administration is pretty much firing up the grills just before they go into a drunken stupor for the rest of the holiday weekend.
But hey . . . they gotta a guy on it.
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I'd be more inclined to give Beck props if he wasn't mormon
He is? I mean he's an idiot so that sounds about right
I jumped off the Beck bandwagon a while ago, but he does raise a lot of good points
he makes good points, but he's an idiot?
seriously, he presents researched info that is supplied to him.... are the suppliers of the information the idiots?
Yes, he's an idiot. After he had his whole "Debunk Global Warming" show he appeared in some magazine and was saying "You'd be an idiot if you haven't seen the rise in temps" completely contradicting himself. He's just sketch.
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BITB
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love it when beck whines about the gov't not doing enough.
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love it when beck whines about the gov't not doing enough.
pfft
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No cRusty . . . I think the main point of when I was listening was it sure is amazing how when a Republican is in the Whitehouse when a disaster hits most of the MSM is calling for heads if everything isn't fixed 5 days afterwards. Now we've got one of the greatest oil disasters in history which has closed down 25% of the gulf of Mexico to fishing and is spewing 25 to 50,000 barrels of oil into the water a day . . . and Barry spent less time down there than he does on the golf course playing a round of golf. But by and large the MSM pretty much gives Barry a free pass.
Hey . . . I bet the BBQ and the Blackhawks game were great, I bet the Bud was flowing as well.
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No cRusty . . . I think the main point of when I was listening was it sure is amazing how when a Republican is in the Whitehouse when a disaster hits most of the MSM is calling for heads if everything isn't fixed 5 days afterwards. Now we've got one of the greatest oil disasters in history which has closed down 25% of the gulf of Mexico to fishing and is spewing 25 to 50,000 barrels of oil into the water a day . . . and Barry spent less time down there than he does on the golf course playing a round of golf. But by and large the MSM pretty much gives Barry a free pass.
Hey . . . I bet the BBQ and the Blackhawks game were great, I bet the Bud was flowing as well.
But I thought Beck was in favor of free markets? Seems like he would be happy that his president agrees with him.
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I don't know about that, I don't listen to Beck that much.
None-the-less . . . you really have to stand back in awe of the Obama administration response.
It reminds me of the car repair ad . . . "Yeah, I got 4 of my best guys on it".
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I don't know about that, I don't listen to Beck that much.
None-the-less . . . you really have to stand back in awe of the Obama administration response.
It reminds me of the car repair ad . . . "Yeah, I got 4 of my best guys on it".
So you want bigger government, too. Sheesh.
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He cRusty . . . the Gubment says they're telling BP what to do.
It's working out great . . . but Barry's enjoying that Cue in Chicago, probably got a tee time setup for about mid morning tomorrow . . . and oh goody, the whole Israeli thing to divert attention away . . . gotta take advantage of crisis Rahm always says.
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smells like an Alinsky ploy to me
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love it when beck whines about the gov't not doing enough.
lol
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2 Vacations for Hope and Change since the worst eco disaster in history started.
Barry Obama . . . largest taker of BP PAC money in the last 20 years.
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I WANT BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
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Obfuscation of reality isn't getting you anywhere cRusty . . .
The Feds have already said they have taken control remember . . . now they just really suck at it.
But hey . . . the Green President has his best people on it, as they tell BP what to do . . . and fail.
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Wouldn't Cheney have had this thing stopped within 24 hours? He is all-knowing and omnipresent when it comes to oil.
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
I know non-whites that are unhappy about this, also.
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
I know non-whites that are unhappy about this, also.
i know a guy with four nipples. what's your point.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bp_engineers_prepare_for_next_bid_jLKPp5hCT2AWvVNl6Byv7N
This is happening.
Michael Bay is calling dibs on asteroid defense strategies as we speak.
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
I know non-whites that are unhappy about this, also.
i know a guy with four nipples. what's your point.
Leave me the hell out of this. :curse:
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
This is true. We should just stop being racists so Obama can just sit back drinking lemonade, not utilizing any of our government resources that have already been payed for, other than to slow down BP by making them go through a permit process.
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
This is true. We should just stop being racists so Obama can just sit back drinking lemonade, not utilizing any of our government resources that have already been payed for, other than to slow down BP by making them go through a permit process.
the people complaining would be complaining regardless of what he did. most of them just complain because they are racist or poor. usually both. not always though.
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Well the oil is still gushing . . . and the Obama administration is pretty much firing up the grills just before they go into a drunken stupor for the rest of the holiday weekend.
But hey . . . they gotta a guy on it.
What exactly is Obama supposed to do, 'Pad? Why aren't the oil companies capable of cleaning up their own f*cking mess?
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This just proves the that our government is incapable of doing anything. In somewhat chronological order:
Exon Valdez Spill - Fail
Iraq - Fail
Preventing the WTC and OKC bombings - Fail
Preventing 9/11 - Fail
Afghanistan - Fail
Irag - Fail
Katrina - Fail
BP Oil Spill - Fail
That's just off the top of my head
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pretty much a no win for obama with the majority of white people in america since he can't score a touchdown or anything. this should surprise nobody.
"fix it obama and give me my jobs you been promised us. :curse: "
:rolleyes:
I know non-whites that are unhappy about this, also.
i know a guy with four nipples. what's your point.
What does skin color have to do with one's ability to see how this crisis is being handled?
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BenTard . . . what part of "we're on it" that you hear daily from this administration don't you understand?
What part of "BP can't do a thing without asking us first" don't you understand??
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who cares dax. it's just the environment?
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BenTard . . . what part of "we're on it" that you hear daily from this administration don't you understand?
What part of "BP can't do a thing without asking us first" don't you understand??
The government and BP are working together already, 'Pad. Seriously.... What more can Obama do at this point? Maybe you should listen to someone or something besides those right wing dipshits who make millions off of ignorant people like yourself.
:rolleyes:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/ (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/)
The Ongoing Administration-Wide Response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill
Prepared by the Joint Information Center
UPDATED May 31, 2010 7 PM
In the Past 24 Hours
Secretary Salazar Continues His Eighth Trip to the Gulf Region
At the direction of President Obama, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar continued his eighth trip to the Gulf region to continue his oversight of BP operations and to support federal scientists who are working to contain the oil flowing from BP’s leaking well. Secretary Salazar met with top BP officials, federal personnel and government scientists in Houston.
While meeting with scientists and BP officials, Secretary Salazar emphasized the need to find an immediate, short-term solution to contain the leaking oil. The more permanent solution, the drilling of two relief wells can take up to several months to complete. U.S. government scientists, engineers and experts have been working with independent experts and BP officials on a variety of alternatives to contain the flow of oil immediately.
Progress Continues in Drilling Relief Wells
The Development Driller III continues to drill the first relief well to a depth of more than 12,000 feet—10 days ahead of schedule—and is beginning to angle the well at 35 degrees. The Development Driller II has drilled the second relief well to a depth of 8,650 feet.
Successful Controlled Burn
Favorable weather conditions allowed responders to conduct a successful controlled burn operation. As part of a coordinated response that combines tactics deployed above water, below water, offshore, and close to coastal areas, controlled burns efficiently remove oil from the open water in an effort to protect shoreline and wildlife. In total, more than 100 burns have been conducted to remove a total of 2.8 million gallons of oil from the water to date.
Federal Mobile Medial Unit Arrives in Louisiana
A federal mobile medical unit arrived in Venice, La., today to provide additional basic medical care for responders and residents of coastal communities affected by the oil spill.
The mobile medical unit, provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in coordination with the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, will integrate with the local medical community to triage and provide basic care for responders and residents concerned about health effects of the oil spill. Patients then can be referred to local healthcare providers or hospitals.
Gulf Fishing Restrictions Expanded; 74 Percent Remains Open
NOAA extended the northern boundary of the closed fishing area in the Gulf of Mexico up to the Mississippi federal-state water line and portions of the Alabama federal-state water line—this federal closure does not apply to any state waters. Closing fishing in these areas is a precautionary measure to ensure that seafood from the Gulf will remain safe for consumers.
The closed area now represents 61,854 square miles, which is slightly less than 26 percent of Gulf of Mexico federal waters. This leaves more than 74 percent of Gulf federal waters available for fishing. Details can be found at http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/.
This extension of the federal fishing closed area due to the Deepwater Horizon/BP oil spill coincides with the June 1 opening of the Gulf of Mexico recreational red snapper season, and will affect some areas targeted by charter boat captains and private anglers.
However, NOAA Fisheries Service is increasing the level of data collection to more closely monitor the effects of the oil spill on Gulf recreational fishing. This will allow the agency to adjust the closure date for recreational fishing seasons as appropriate, including the red snapper season which is scheduled to close at 12:01 a.m. July 24.
Property Damage Claims Processed
The administration will continue to hold the responsible parties accountable for repairing the damage, and repaying Americans who’ve suffered a financial loss as a result of the BP oil spill. BP continues to process claims via its claims website (www.bp.com/claims) and its helpline (1-800-440-0858). BP reports that 30,619 claims have been opened, from which $39.4 million have been disbursed. No claims have been denied to date. There are more than 481 claims adjusters on the ground. To file a claim, visit www.bp.com/claims or call BP’s helpline at 1-800-440-0858. Those who have already pursued the BP claims process and are not satisfied with BP’s resolution can call the Coast Guard at (800) 280-7118.
Air and Ground Wildlife Rescue and Cleanup Assessment Missions Continue
Four wildlife rescue and survey flights were conducted, and 28 boat surveillance and recovery teams continue to patrol wetlands, beaches and shoreline areas to survey potentially impacted wildlife and assess impact by oil.
By the Numbers to Date:
More than 20,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.
More than 1,700 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.
Approximately 1.95 million feet of containment boom and 1.85 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 610,000 feet of containment boom and 1.8 million feet of sorbent boom are available.
Approximately 13.5 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.
Approximately 950,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—740,000 on the surface and 210,000 subsea. More than 430,000 gallons are available.
17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.
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The Ongoing Administration-Wide Response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill
Prepared by the Joint Information Center
UPDATED May 30, 2010 7 PM
In the Past 24 Hours
Government Scientists Estimate that BP’s Pending Riser Cut Could Result in a Temporary Oil Flow Increase of up to 20 Percent
In order to ensure the American public receive the most accurate information, Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change Policy Carol Browner provided an estimate, calculated by government scientists, that BP’s tactic involving cutting off a kinked portion of the riser and attempt to lower a device over the area—allowing them to try and capture a substantial amount of the oil leaking out—could result in a temporary increase in oil flow by as much as 20 percent until the containment device is applied over the leak. The Flow Rate Task Force will continue to evaluate a potential temporary increase as a result of this tactic and will provide any additional assessments as they become available.
Secretary Salazar Makes His Eighth Trip to the Gulf Region
At the direction of the President, Department of the Interior Secretary Ken Salazar made his eighth trip to the Gulf region to continue his work aggressively responding to the BP oil spill. His actions on scene are being coordinated by National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen, who is leading the administration-wide response and directing all interagency activities.
Secretary Salazar met with top BP officials, federal personnel and government scientists in Houston to get a firsthand account of the on-scene direction and oversight of BP's efforts to cap the leaking well.
Oil Impact Surveillance, Recovery and Rescue Teams Patrol Affected Area
28 boat surveillance and recovery teams have been deployed in the areas most impacted by the leaking oil, conducting active cleanup operations and patrolling wetlands, beaches and shoreline areas for wildlife and to ensure that cleanup crews were are operating effectively and reporting impacted wildlife. Four wildlife rescue and survey flights were conducted.
Progress Continues in Drilling Relief Wells
The Development Driller III and Development Driller II continue to drill the first relief well to a depth of 12,000 feet, and second relief well to a depth of 8,500 feet, respectively.
By the Numbers to Date:
More than 20,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.
More than 1,400 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.
Approximately 1.9 million feet of containment boom and 1.85 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 500,000 feet of containment boom and 1.5 million feet of sorbent boom are available.
Approximately 13.1 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.
Approximately 920,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—720,000 on the surface and 200,000 subsea. More than 430,000 gallons are available.
17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.
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DRILL BABY DRILL?
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The "libertarian" "free-market" posters are clowning themselves in this thread.
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The "libertarian" "free-market" posters are clowning themselves in this thread.
lol yeah right.
BP doesn't want the thing to be capped, so it isn't capped. If they do they will lose their investment.
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Ben . . . it's real simple again, we are 50 days plus on this issue which is set to destroy years of eco system development/replenishment and is set to be the worst enviro disaster in American History.
All Obama is doing is standing on the sidelines, and then breaking away from vacation or the golf course to play the blame game for a few minutes . . . he's clueless. Yet right on cue, here come the Obamabots to offer every matter of excuses, and embolden Barry to continue to do nothing but play the blame game.
Geezus . . . a Whitehouse Blog, they're going to do nothing but put their best spin on it. It's not reality, not even close.
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Plus lets look back at the basic premise of this thread.
During the Valdez disaster, George Mitchell was calling for congressional hearings at Day 30. Not hearings about calling Exxon to the carpet, hearings about a complete and total review of the Bush I administrations response to the disaster . . . meanwhile the Bush I administration had federalized the cleanup at Day 14 and had sent 1500 National Guard troops to assist.
Now we get word that Barry is doing nothing but playing politics, he wants to make BP look bad . . . so the "Green" president is willing to stand by and let the Gulf of Mexico be turned into an oil slick because he doesn't want the problem to be "his" problem.
But as per usual the response from the Obamabot useful idiots will be flailing excuse making. In addition, we are getting word that this may go until . . . December.
Plus, I don't know where anyone gets the idea that I am some hardcore libertarian. Maybe when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but not even close when it comes National/Natural disasters, or letting businesses run in a completely unfettered, non regulatory environment. Hell I work in one of the most regulated industries in the country, with regulatory bodies on both the state and federal level overseeing what we do, for good reason. The only time I get frustrated with the regulatory oversight is when it's clear the regulators are cow towing to lobbying efforts by certain players in the industy. In that arena there are two things I believe need to be overhauled on a Federal Level. 1. Overburdensome taxation. 2. Lobbying and favorite playing on Capital Hill, and only 1 of those is even a libertarian ideal per se.
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Plus lets look back at the basic premise of this thread.
During the Valdez disaster, George Mitchell was calling for congressional hearings at Day 30. Not hearings about calling Exxon to the carpet, hearings about a complete and total review of the Bush I administrations response to the disaster . . . meanwhile the Bush I administration had federalized the cleanup at Day 14 and had sent 1500 National Guard troops to assist.
Now we get word that Barry is doing nothing but playing politics, he wants to make BP look bad . . . so the "Green" president is willing to stand by and let the Gulf of Mexico be turned into an oil slick because he doesn't want the problem to be "his" problem.
But as per usual the response from the Obamabot useful idiots will be flailing excuse making. In addition, we are getting word that this may go until . . . December.
Plus, I don't know where anyone gets the idea that I am some hardcore libertarian. Maybe when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but not even close when it comes National/Natural disasters, or letting businesses run in a completely unfettered, non regulatory environment. Hell I work in one of the most regulated industries in the country, with regulatory bodies on both the state and federal level overseeing what we do, for good reason. The only time I get frustrated with the regulatory oversight is when it's clear the regulators are cow towing to lobbying efforts by certain players in the industy. In that arena there are two things I believe need to be overhauled on a Federal Level. 1. Overburdensome taxation. 2. Lobbying and favorite playing on Capital Hill, and only 1 of those is even a libertarian ideal per se.
are you really comparing cleanup after the exxon spill to something that is currently happening ? wow, just wow.
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Why are you so dense Rick . . . I am not comparing any "Cleanup" I am comparing the actions of democrats who demanded congressional hearings and a full accounting of Executive Branch reaction on the Valdez, just 30 f'ing days after it happend . . . they were all over the media, "to little, too late" blah, blah, blah, within days of it happening.
Now, we're at day 50 and counting . . . and all we get out of this administration and their useful idiots is finger pointing, excuses and ass covering.
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This just proves the that our government is incapable of doing anything. In somewhat chronological order:
Exon Valdez Spill - Fail
Iraq - Fail
Preventing the WTC and OKC bombings - Fail
Preventing 9/11 - Fail
Afghanistan - Fail
Irag - Fail
Katrina - Fail
BP Oil Spill - Fail
That's just off the top of my head
Well, to the government's credit, the first tour of Iraq went very well, and it's hard to call the BP Oil Spill a government failure when the government would rather use it to push political agendas than actually protect the environment and save coastal industries.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
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free market
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
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I WANT BIG GOVERNMENT!
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
why would the government be better at fixing the oil problem than the oil company. is there an oil problem fixing part of the government that i'm not aware of?
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
Yeah, that's what BP is already doing. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25well.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25well.html)
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
why would the government be better at fixing the oil problem than the oil company. is there an oil problem fixing part of the government that i'm not aware of?
Maybe a coastal engineering firm (not government affiliated) would be better at fixing the problem? If you would learn to read better, this is what I suggested.
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
How much are you out so far?
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
How much are you out so far?
About $10,000 last year. So not much, but it's just annoying to pay for a service and then not see it put to work when something like this happens.
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
How much are you out so far?
About $10,000 last year. So not much, but it's just annoying to pay for a service and then not see it put to work when something like this happens.
Where'd the $10k come from?
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
How much are you out so far?
About $10,000 last year. So not much, but it's just annoying to pay for a service and then not see it put to work when something like this happens.
Where'd the $10k come from?
Just a rough estimate of what I paid in taxes last year, based off of how much is held out of my paycheck minus my tax return. Really, if you break up what I pay in taxes into the various government departments, the portion that goes into federal disaster mitigation is much less than $10k. So like I said, not much.
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free market
:jerk: What is the point of having big government if we don't use it? At least with a smaller government, we would have this same spill, and I would have more money.
How much are you out so far?
About $10,000 last year. So not much, but it's just annoying to pay for a service and then not see it put to work when something like this happens.
Where'd the $10k come from?
Just a rough estimate of what I paid in taxes last year, based off of how much is held out of my paycheck minus my tax return. Really, if you break up what I pay in taxes into the various government departments, the portion that goes into federal disaster mitigation is much less than $10k. So like I said, not much.
lol, ok
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
why would the government be better at fixing the oil problem than the oil company. is there an oil problem fixing part of the government that i'm not aware of?
Maybe the EPA? They have a budget of about $10,000,000,000 for this kind of stuff.
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The issue isn't about being overtaxed. It's about the government not doing everything in its power to stop the spill. This is almost as bad as the way Bush handled Katrina. If this well leaks until December, it will be much worse than Katrina.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
why would the government be better at fixing the oil problem than the oil company. is there an oil problem fixing part of the government that i'm not aware of?
Maybe the EPA? They have a budget of about $10,000,000,000 for this kind of stuff.
We also have FEMA. Similar budget.
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We wanted oysters Saturday in OKC and couldn't get them, allegedly because of all this.
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We wanted oysters Saturday in OKC and couldn't get them, allegedly because of all this.
Man, that's the kind of service you just don't get from the RCPD
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Allow me to go Socratic method on you guys:
In one case a natural disaster struck, and its impact was arguably made worse by the failure of a dike built by the U.S. government. In the other case a private corporation with billions in profits had a major industrial accident. Should the U.S. government be equally responsible for responding in both cases? The U.S. government is trying to apply pressure on BP to fix the issue; who would it have pressured to fix Katrina's effects?
In one case people in a major city needed emergency relief and aid. In the other case, a well one mile deep in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico needs to be sealed. Is the U.S. government equally equipped to respond quickly in both cases?
I agree, if it leaks until December the results will be MUCH worse than Katrina.
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We wanted oysters Saturday in OKC and couldn't get them, allegedly because of all this.
Man, that's the kind of service you just don't get from the RCPD
This was at jazmo'z. The PIA doesn't technically serve anything, but allegedly if you're friends with the guard, she can bring you stuff from the vending machines.
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Allow me to go Socratic method on you guys:
In one case a natural disaster struck, and its impact was arguably made worse by the failure of a dike built by the U.S. government. In the other case a private corporation with billions in profits had a major industrial accident. Should the U.S. government be equally responsible for responding in both cases? The U.S. government is trying to apply pressure on BP to fix the issue; who would it have pressured to fix Katrina's effects?
In one case people in a major city needed emergency relief and aid. In the other case, a well one mile deep in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico needs to be sealed. Is the U.S. government equally equipped to respond quickly in both cases?
I agree, if it leaks until December the results will be MUCH worse than Katrina.
I agree with everything you are saying. However, I think that since BP is footing the bill for the cleanup, allowing them to fix this problem themselves will cause (and has caused) them to try the cheapest alternatives first, rather than solutions with the highest probability of success. I think that the government should hire somebody else to do the cleanup, and then just have them send the bill to BP.
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We wanted oysters Saturday in OKC and couldn't get them, allegedly because of all this.
I'm very :ohno: that we might have to put up with crap like this for the next several years.
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Allow me to go Socratic method on you guys:
In one case a natural disaster struck, and its impact was arguably made worse by the failure of a dike built by the U.S. government. In the other case a private corporation with billions in profits had a major industrial accident. Should the U.S. government be equally responsible for responding in both cases? The U.S. government is trying to apply pressure on BP to fix the issue; who would it have pressured to fix Katrina's effects?
In one case people in a major city needed emergency relief and aid. In the other case, a well one mile deep in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico needs to be sealed. Is the U.S. government equally equipped to respond quickly in both cases?
I agree, if it leaks until December the results will be MUCH worse than Katrina.
I agree with everything you are saying. However, I think that since BP is footing the bill for the cleanup, allowing them to fix this problem themselves will cause (and has caused) them to try the cheapest alternatives first, rather than solutions with the highest probability of success. I think that the government should hire somebody else to do the cleanup, and then just have them send the bill to BP.
Oh, WE are in total agreement, then. :cheers:
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We wanted oysters Saturday in OKC and couldn't get them, allegedly because of all this.
Had some on the half shell at Jazz in KC this weekend. They were delicious and nothing bad has happened to me so far. :gocho:
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Obama doesn't care about federally controlled waters.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
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Once again for 'Pad:
Administration-Wide Response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill
Prepared by the Joint Information Center
UPDATED May 31, 2010 7 PM
In the Past 24 Hours
Secretary Salazar Continues His Eighth Trip to the Gulf Region
At the direction of President Obama, Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar continued his eighth trip to the Gulf region to continue his oversight of BP operations and to support federal scientists who are working to contain the oil flowing from BP’s leaking well. Secretary Salazar met with top BP officials, federal personnel and government scientists in Houston.
While meeting with scientists and BP officials, Secretary Salazar emphasized the need to find an immediate, short-term solution to contain the leaking oil. The more permanent solution, the drilling of two relief wells can take up to several months to complete. U.S. government scientists, engineers and experts have been working with independent experts and BP officials on a variety of alternatives to contain the flow of oil immediately.
Progress Continues in Drilling Relief Wells
The Development Driller III continues to drill the first relief well to a depth of more than 12,000 feet—10 days ahead of schedule—and is beginning to angle the well at 35 degrees. The Development Driller II has drilled the second relief well to a depth of 8,650 feet.
Successful Controlled Burn
Favorable weather conditions allowed responders to conduct a successful controlled burn operation. As part of a coordinated response that combines tactics deployed above water, below water, offshore, and close to coastal areas, controlled burns efficiently remove oil from the open water in an effort to protect shoreline and wildlife. In total, more than 100 burns have been conducted to remove a total of 2.8 million gallons of oil from the water to date.
Federal Mobile Medial Unit Arrives in Louisiana
A federal mobile medical unit arrived in Venice, La., today to provide additional basic medical care for responders and residents of coastal communities affected by the oil spill.
The mobile medical unit, provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in coordination with the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, will integrate with the local medical community to triage and provide basic care for responders and residents concerned about health effects of the oil spill. Patients then can be referred to local healthcare providers or hospitals.
Gulf Fishing Restrictions Expanded; 74 Percent Remains Open
NOAA extended the northern boundary of the closed fishing area in the Gulf of Mexico up to the Mississippi federal-state water line and portions of the Alabama federal-state water line—this federal closure does not apply to any state waters. Closing fishing in these areas is a precautionary measure to ensure that seafood from the Gulf will remain safe for consumers.
The closed area now represents 61,854 square miles, which is slightly less than 26 percent of Gulf of Mexico federal waters. This leaves more than 74 percent of Gulf federal waters available for fishing. Details can be found at http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/.
This extension of the federal fishing closed area due to the Deepwater Horizon/BP oil spill coincides with the June 1 opening of the Gulf of Mexico recreational red snapper season, and will affect some areas targeted by charter boat captains and private anglers.
However, NOAA Fisheries Service is increasing the level of data collection to more closely monitor the effects of the oil spill on Gulf recreational fishing. This will allow the agency to adjust the closure date for recreational fishing seasons as appropriate, including the red snapper season which is scheduled to close at 12:01 a.m. July 24.
Property Damage Claims Processed
The administration will continue to hold the responsible parties accountable for repairing the damage, and repaying Americans who’ve suffered a financial loss as a result of the BP oil spill. BP continues to process claims via its claims website (www.bp.com/claims) and its helpline (1-800-440-0858). BP reports that 30,619 claims have been opened, from which $39.4 million have been disbursed. No claims have been denied to date. There are more than 481 claims adjusters on the ground. To file a claim, visit www.bp.com/claims or call BP’s helpline at 1-800-440-0858. Those who have already pursued the BP claims process and are not satisfied with BP’s resolution can call the Coast Guard at (800) 280-7118.
Air and Ground Wildlife Rescue and Cleanup Assessment Missions Continue
Four wildlife rescue and survey flights were conducted, and 28 boat surveillance and recovery teams continue to patrol wetlands, beaches and shoreline areas to survey potentially impacted wildlife and assess impact by oil.
By the Numbers to Date:
More than 20,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.
More than 1,700 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.
Approximately 1.95 million feet of containment boom and 1.85 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 610,000 feet of containment boom and 1.8 million feet of sorbent boom are available.
Approximately 13.5 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.
Approximately 950,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—740,000 on the surface and 210,000 subsea. More than 430,000 gallons are available.
17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.
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The Ongoing Administration-Wide Response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill
Prepared by the Joint Information Center
UPDATED May 30, 2010 7 PM
In the Past 24 Hours
Government Scientists Estimate that BP’s Pending Riser Cut Could Result in a Temporary Oil Flow Increase of up to 20 Percent
In order to ensure the American public receive the most accurate information, Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change Policy Carol Browner provided an estimate, calculated by government scientists, that BP’s tactic involving cutting off a kinked portion of the riser and attempt to lower a device over the area—allowing them to try and capture a substantial amount of the oil leaking out—could result in a temporary increase in oil flow by as much as 20 percent until the containment device is applied over the leak. The Flow Rate Task Force will continue to evaluate a potential temporary increase as a result of this tactic and will provide any additional assessments as they become available.
Secretary Salazar Makes His Eighth Trip to the Gulf Region
At the direction of the President, Department of the Interior Secretary Ken Salazar made his eighth trip to the Gulf region to continue his work aggressively responding to the BP oil spill. His actions on scene are being coordinated by National Incident Commander Admiral Thad Allen, who is leading the administration-wide response and directing all interagency activities.
Secretary Salazar met with top BP officials, federal personnel and government scientists in Houston to get a firsthand account of the on-scene direction and oversight of BP's efforts to cap the leaking well.
Oil Impact Surveillance, Recovery and Rescue Teams Patrol Affected Area
28 boat surveillance and recovery teams have been deployed in the areas most impacted by the leaking oil, conducting active cleanup operations and patrolling wetlands, beaches and shoreline areas for wildlife and to ensure that cleanup crews were are operating effectively and reporting impacted wildlife. Four wildlife rescue and survey flights were conducted.
Progress Continues in Drilling Relief Wells
The Development Driller III and Development Driller II continue to drill the first relief well to a depth of 12,000 feet, and second relief well to a depth of 8,500 feet, respectively.
By the Numbers to Date:
More than 20,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.
More than 1,400 vessels are responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.
Approximately 1.9 million feet of containment boom and 1.85 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 500,000 feet of containment boom and 1.5 million feet of sorbent boom are available.
Approximately 13.1 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.
Approximately 920,000 gallons of total dispersant have been deployed—720,000 on the surface and 200,000 subsea. More than 430,000 gallons are available.
17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
Apparently not. You might have a point if BP had actually succeeded in stopping the leak.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
Apparently not. You might have a point if BP had actually succeeded in stopping the leak.
The point is that an oil company should know how to clean up an oil spill. It's complete negligence on their part that they didn't have a solution already put in place in case a situation like this happened.
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After Katrina, the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking points were:
What is Bush supposed to do, go stop the hurricane?
Why should we help people who are dumb enough to buy land in a flood plain, anyway?
Bush sent a helicopter, but those gangsters started shooting at it. I guess they don't want help.
BMW, you sound almost this Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) right now. :flush:
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
Apparently not. You might have a point if BP had actually succeeded in stopping the leak.
The point is that an oil company should know how to clean up an oil spill. It's complete negligence on their part that they didn't have a solution already put in place in case a situation like this happened.
Yes, it is complete negligence. That is why they should not be in charge any more. We should just send them the bill and let them pay for it.
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After Katrina, the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking points were:
What is Bush supposed to do, go stop the hurricane?
Why should we help people who are dumb enough to buy land in a flood plain, anyway?
Bush sent a helicopter, but those gangsters started shooting at it. I guess they don't want help.
BMW, you sound almost this Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) right now. :flush:
Not even close.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
Apparently not. You might have a point if BP had actually succeeded in stopping the leak.
The point is that an oil company should know how to clean up an oil spill. It's complete negligence on their part that they didn't have a solution already put in place in case a situation like this happened.
Yes, it is complete negligence. That is why they should not be in charge any more. We should just send them the bill and let them pay for it.
That's pretty much what we're doing.
:dunno:
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Geezus you're still fluffing the Whitehouse Blog??
Obama hates federally protected waters.
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Barry W. Obama . . . largest accepter of BP Political Action money in the last 20 years.
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Geezus you're still fluffing the Whitehouse Blog??
Obama hates federally protected waters.
Those are indisputable facts, while you're citing Glen Beck. I mean, honestly, you just can't make this kind of stuff up, folks.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
So you're telling me an oil company doesn't know how to clean up an oil spill? Damn, you right wing idiots are really something else.
Apparently not. You might have a point if BP had actually succeeded in stopping the leak.
The point is that an oil company should know how to clean up an oil spill. It's complete negligence on their part that they didn't have a solution already put in place in case a situation like this happened.
Yes, it is complete negligence. That is why they should not be in charge any more. We should just send them the bill and let them pay for it.
That's pretty much what we're doing.
:dunno:
The problem is that BP is in charge. I suppose that when the Sago mine collapsed in West Virginia, you think that Anker West Virginia Mining should have coordinated the rescue effort instead of the Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration?
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Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration
Do we have one of those for underwater oil leaks?
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LOL
I am citing Beck on a related story, not on what actually IS NOT being done down in the gulf . . . how hard is this??
For the last time . . . after the Valdez disaster Sen. George Mitchell-D (a powerful democratic senator, I'd have to go look, but I think he was majority leader at the time) was calling for congressional hearings and a complete review of the EXECUTIVE branch and its reaction to the Valdez disaster after only 30 days. When at the time Bush 1 had federalized the opearations after 14 days, and was sending in thousands of national guardsman to help with the clean up. In the media, democrats were saying that it was utter negligence on the part of the Bush I administration within 10 days of the oil spill.
We're now at nearly 50 days and the best we can get out of democrats and the democratically controlled congress is lots of limp wristed excuses and flying air cover for this administration. Time for another golf outing to the Grove Park Inn I guess.
Plus what part of the "the spill started and exists still in FEDERALLY CONTROLLED waters" don't you get??
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Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration
Do we have one of those for underwater oil leaks?
Apparently not, but we probably should if we are going to allow offshore drilling.
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3 weeks ago, "Hey are we gonna need those boom ships that burn off the oil" . . .. Feds . . . "Naw."
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Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration
Do we have one of those for underwater oil leaks?
Apparently not, but we probably should if we are going to allow offshore drilling.
Goes back to the bigger v. smaller government argument, doesn't it?
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confusing thread. people who normally hate the environment are bitching about the environment. :dunno:
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Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration
Do we have one of those for underwater oil leaks?
Apparently not, but we probably should if we are going to allow offshore drilling.
Goes back to the bigger v. smaller government argument, doesn't it?
Not all government is bad, and there really isn't much opportunity for waste in an agency that specializes in offshore oil regulation and cleanup. It could just be a branch of the EPA.
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LOL
I am citing Beck on a related story, not on what actually IS NOT being done down in the gulf . . . how hard is this??
For the last time . . . after the Valdez disaster Sen. George Mitchell-D (a powerful democratic senator, I'd have to go look, but I think he was majority leader at the time) was calling for congressional hearings and a complete review of the EXECUTIVE branch and its reaction to the Valdez disaster after only 30 days. When at the time Bush 1 had federalized the opearations after 14 days, and was sending in thousands of national guardsman to help with the clean up. In the media, democrats were saying that it was utter negligence on the part of the Bush I administration within 10 days of the oil spill.
We're now at nearly 50 days and the best we can get out of democrats and the democratically controlled congress is lots of limp wristed excuses and flying air cover for this administration. Time for another golf outing to the Grove Park Inn I guess.
Plus what part of the "the spill started and exists still in FEDERALLY CONTROLLED waters" don't you get??
Comparing Valdez to what's going on right now is comparing apples to oranges, dipshit.
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Hey Dipshit . . . comparing the actions of political parties between the Valdez and what's going on right now is perfectly applicable but you're too much of a dumb ass to understand that.
I think it's time for the Republicans and the people to call for a full congressional review of the Whitehouse response to the this disaster that occurred in FEDERAL waters . . . and to get a full and complete explanation as to why every resource at the disposal of our United States government was NOT brought to bare immediately to contain the oil and to stop the leak at the same time. Particularly knowing that this president, who is damn proud of his executive order creating abilities has not invoked any of those powers to fix the problem . . . and you know, I know and we all know, that if he really wanted to . . . he could in a matter of hours.
But no, the "green" President would rather play politics. Pathetic.
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LOL
I am citing Beck on a related story, not on what actually IS NOT being done down in the gulf . . . how hard is this??
For the last time . . . after the Valdez disaster Sen. George Mitchell-D (a powerful democratic senator, I'd have to go look, but I think he was majority leader at the time) was calling for congressional hearings and a complete review of the EXECUTIVE branch and its reaction to the Valdez disaster after only 30 days. When at the time Bush 1 had federalized the opearations after 14 days, and was sending in thousands of national guardsman to help with the clean up. In the media, democrats were saying that it was utter negligence on the part of the Bush I administration within 10 days of the oil spill.
We're now at nearly 50 days and the best we can get out of democrats and the democratically controlled congress is lots of limp wristed excuses and flying air cover for this administration. Time for another golf outing to the Grove Park Inn I guess.
Plus what part of the "the spill started and exists still in FEDERALLY CONTROLLED waters" don't you get??
Comparing Valdez to what's going on right now is comparing apples to oranges, dipshit.
Potato Potato.
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Interior Secretary Salazar says that this might not have happened had the Minerals Management Service not been so lax on enforcing regulations.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100518/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100518/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill)
So maybe Obama should just fire everyone in charge of the Minerals Management Service and find people who want to do their job.
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Yeah, I am loving the logic on that.
"Yeah, yeah, all the croonies left over from Bush and Cheney were way to cozy with oil companies, it's all their fault, heck, everybody knew that, we just opted to not do anything about it . . . maybe it was all the BP PAC money Barry got".
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so wait has Obama been clearing brush and i just didn't know about it?
p.s. the MMS is preparing for major house cleaning as audits indicate very cozy relationships between the agency and the companies they regulate, with many individuals moving back and forth between the sectors
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No . . . just lots of basketball, vacations and golf. But no brush clearing.
I believe I read that at this pace of travel, Barry and wife will leave largest carbon footprint in 4 years of any president and family in history . . . by far.
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No . . . just lots of basketball, vacations and golf. But no brush clearing.
I believe I read that at this pace of travel, Barry and wife will leave largest carbon footprint in 4 years of any president and family in history . . . by far.
Welcome to 2010 politics.
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confusing thread. people who normally hate the environment are bitching about the environment. :dunno:
True story. I interviewed for a job with the EPA back when I was about to graduate. Didn't get the job though. Oh well.
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No . . . just lots of basketball, vacations and golf. But no brush clearing.
I believe I read that at this pace of travel, Barry and wife will leave largest carbon footprint in 4 years of any president and family in history . . . by far.
Welcome to 2010 politics.
2010 politics seem to be run very similarly to big time college basketball programs.
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don't normally like the guy...but funny stuff.
http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:309658
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don't normally like the guy...but funny stuff.
You should normally like him. He's pretty much always funny.
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BP is an oil and gas company. I don't really think they are suited to solve natural disasters like this. Instead of working with BP, why doesn't the government work with a coastal engineering firm to solve the problem, and just send the bill to BP? Maybe it's because they want this disaster to get worse so they can blame Big Oil.
:confused: why wouldn't they blame big oil? it's their fault.
Yes, it is big oil's fault. Do you think that they are the most qualified people to be fixing this problem? Why not have someone else fix it, and just make BP pay for it? There will still be plenty of time for the government to get their shots in on big oil when we no longer have a well leaking millions of gallons of oil into the gulf of Mexico.
why would the government be better at fixing the oil problem than the oil company. is there an oil problem fixing part of the government that i'm not aware of?
Well obviously BP sucks at cleaning up and capping the damn thing, which just means the government would be even worse because it's the government.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
to run the deficit and debt up. Your stupidity is absolutely mind-boggling.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
How do you figure? Bush started a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, royally mumped up the Katrina response, and gave multiple tax breaks.
Obama has passed health care legislation which basically just forces people to adopt the current system of insurance, and has royally mumped up the oil spill response.
I count 4 for Bush and 2 for Obama, though I'm sure I'm forgetting things for both.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
golf?
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BBQ instead of paying respect to dead soldiers???
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
People on this board (heck, in this country) would be very well-served to read more news.
I've remembered why I don't ever read this board. Critical thinking is dead or dying, apparently. :clack:
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
People on this board (heck, in this country) would be very well-served to read more news.
I've remembered why I don't ever read this board. Critical thinking is dead or dying, apparently. :clack:
If you read this board more often, you would learn that the news is government-controlled, so you are really better off not watching it. :shy:
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
People on this board (heck, in this country) would be very well-served to read more news.
I've remembered why I don't ever read this board. Critical thinking is dead or dying, apparently. :clack:
Where do you get your news? NYT?
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GOSP and Beems are killing it in this thread.
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I get my news from many sources, but, yeah, probably mostly from the NYT. I do check out the NY Post or Fox News online, if I see a story that looks like it might be "spun" a certain way. On TV I only watch local news, supplemented occasionally by France24, BBC and The 700 Club(!), to give me broader viewpoints.
You take it all in, and that's where the critical thinking happens.
EDIT: I don't want to sound this preachy, so I'm quitting this line of crap. I just got frustrated.
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Remember GSOP these are the same people who are 9/11 Truthers, Birthers, and who think evolution is a great big lie by the devil.
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GOSP and Beems are killing it in this thread.
What are your thoughts on the oil spill? Are you satisfied with the cleanup effort? Do you think that the government is doing everything it can to stop the leak?
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GOSP and Beems are killing it in this thread.
What are your thoughts on the oil spill? Are you satisfied with the cleanup effort? Do you think that the government is doing everything it can to stop the leak?
I have no thoughts on the oil spill, because I don't care about the oil spill. BP should be held accountable for the spill and lack of cleanup, not the government. Comparisons to Katrina are weird. Katrina was a natural event that the gov't dragged their heals on. This oil spill is a man made event that the company responsible doesn't have a solution for.
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I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT!
It's not about who is held accountable. It's about fixing the problem. The well drilled by BP either met all government regulations, or the government chose not to enforce those regulations. Sadly, this would give BP a good case in court if they didn't want to pay for all of the damages. Meanwhile, a giant oil slick is about to completely ruin all of our gulf coast industries at a time where we already have nearly 10% unemployment. It seems to me that this would be a problem the government should be trying to do something about.
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
:popcorn: :users:
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I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT!
Very true.
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don't normally like the guy...but funny stuff.
You should normally like him. He's pretty much always funny.
qft
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Healthcare: Caved to Big Pharma, Caved to Big Hospital Lobby, Caved to Unions . . . and then let Reid and Pelosi write the legislation and get it passed.
Invaded Pakistan with Blackwater, CIA, Drones and U.S. Special Forces . . . completely destablizing the country.
Afghanistan is the most destabilized its been in the last 8 years.
Justification for war expansion: Al Queda attacked U.S. on 9-11 (sounds familiar). The terrorists might get nuclear weapons (sounds familiar).
Patriot Act, FISA and other anti-civil liberties legislation: Still in force and most pieces actively heralded and supported by the administration, just last year the administration wanted to implement "preventitive detention" laws.
Unemployment . . . still off the charts.
Federal Deficits . . . record.
National Debt . . . skyrocketing.
Where's the money?? Actively fights legislation that would audit the Fed.
Green Energy . . . Foreign companies putting U.S. green capital goods companies out of business. Wants to implement policies that so far haven't worked in Spain, the Netherlands and multiple other European Countries. I guess we'll have a booming white collar green energy service sector though . . . selling Chinese made wind turbines and solar panels, and the rest can get wind turbine technicians degrees from that Juco up in Iowa.
Now the green president stands by and plays politics on the worst enviro disaster in the last 50 years, possibly ever.
Oh well, time for another campaign trip to Penn.
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Patriot Act, FISA and other anti-civil liberties legislation: Still in force and most pieces actively heralded and supported by the administration, just last year the administration wanted to implement "preventitive detention" laws.
This is single handedly the most disappointing thing about Obama's presidency to date. When he was elected, I said to myself "At least we will get the patriot act repealed."
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dax, what do your CIA operative buddies say about the Turkish flotilla situation? :ohno:
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Just how much does a subscription to Jane's cost these days?
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dax, what do your CIA operative buddies say about the Turkish flotilla situation? :ohno:
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Just how much does a subscription to Jane's cost these days?
LOL I don't have any CIA buddies, and I suspect Janes is darn expensive.
But what a mess in Israel huh . . . for the administration this is a fascinating study. Because they talk all tough, but the congressperson's and Senators in charge of the foreign aide purse strings have already assured (with administrative blessing) that the U.S. aide checks will still be going to Israel right on schedule, just another U.S. administration that says, "we really wish you'd stop it, but here's another billion dollar plus aide check and how many F-15's do you need again?".
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More Jedi Mind Tricks from Ben . . . same old tired responses. 23 years old and out of answers.
A befuddled President, with pretty much no clue on anything, and at this juncture all the Obamabot useful idiots can do is lash out and whine.
Obama has done more in his first term than Bush did in eight years.
More good, more bad??? Please elaborate, this should be interesting. And in keeping with the radio theme, "Thanks, I'll listen off the air"
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Healthcare: Caved to Big Pharma, Caved to Big Hospital Lobby, Caved to Unions . . . and then let Reid and Pelosi write the legislation and get it passed.
Invaded Pakistan with Blackwater, CIA, Drones and U.S. Special Forces . . . completely destablizing the country.
Afghanistan is the most destabilized its been in the last 8 years.
Justification for war expansion: Al Queda attacked U.S. on 9-11 (sounds familiar). The terrorists might get nuclear weapons (sounds familiar)
Patriot Act, FISA and other anti-civil liberties legislation: Still in force and most pieces actively heralded and supported by the administration, just last year the administration wanted to implement "preventitive detention" laws.
Unemployment . . . still off the charts.
Federal Deficits . . . record.
National Debt . . . skyrocketing.
Where's the money?? Actively fights legislation that would audit the Fed.
Green Energy . . . Foreign companies putting U.S. green capital goods companies out of business. Wants to implement policies that so far haven't worked in Spain, the Netherlands and multiple other European Countries. I guess we'll have a booming white collar green energy service sector though . . . selling Chinese made wind turbines and solar panels, and the rest can get wind turbine technicians degrees from that Juco up in Iowa.
Now the green president stands by and plays politics on the worst enviro disaster in the last 50 years, possibly ever.
Oh well, time for another campaign trip to Penn.
Sounds very familiar. Same reason we have things like the Patriot act and Homeland Security Act. Absolute tyranny.
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Why Beck drives lefties insane. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/04/the_university_guild_vs_glenn_beck.html) There's an awful lot of truth to that. :driving: