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Title: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 22, 2018, 09:54:26 AM
https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1032227907849146368

 :eek:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 10:09:24 AM
I just wanted to get onto the ground floor of a thread (great title, btw) that is sure to skyrocket to pinned status.

I'll go ahead and place a few markers while I'm at it:

First, a campaign paying off people with dirt to dish is not exactly groundbreaking. Nor would listing those payments as legal expenses. Nor is there any good legal authority that such payments would constitute "campaign contributions" (can't wait for all the creative arguments of those "legal experts" tho!). In short, this is going nowhere as a criminal matter for Trump.

Second, as a political matter, of course the Dems are going to use this as a basis to impeach Trump, but they were already going to impeach him anyway if they retake the House. They're either going to retake the House or not. If they make impeachment a central part of this fall campaign, I suspect that will not help them do so.

Third, this is why you hire reputable lawyers to do your dirty work. You think the Feds were ever going to raid the offices of Perkins Cole? The Clintons know how to do this right. Trump is straight up amateur hour when it comes to hiring attorneys. He'd better get serious.

Fourth, I'm really glad Stormy Daniels is back in the headlines. I really hope CNN gets back to giving Avenatti plenty of airtime and the Dems really embrace this whole hog. It's really gonna boost the favorability of the Dem party!
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sys on August 22, 2018, 10:15:02 AM
Nor is there any good legal authority that such payments would constitute "campaign contributions" (can't wait for all the creative arguments of those "legal experts" tho!).

us attorneys just charged a person for doing exactly that and the person pled guilty.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
Nor is there any good legal authority that such payments would constitute "campaign contributions" (can't wait for all the creative arguments of those "legal experts" tho!).

us attorneys just charged a person for doing exactly that and the person pled guilty.

Yeah you know that doesn't actually mean anything, right? Appears the big squeeze was again some sort of tax fraud for a taxi business?! :lol:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sys on August 22, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
i'm not an attorney.  please explain to me why a prosecutor's decision to charge someone with a certain crime and the alleged criminal's decision to plead guilty to that crime does not indicate that the crime is a crime.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
I just wanted to get onto the ground floor of a thread (great title, btw) that is sure to skyrocket to pinned status.

I'll go ahead and place a few markers while I'm at it:

First, a campaign paying off people with dirt to dish is not exactly groundbreaking. Nor would listing those payments as legal expenses. Nor is there any good legal authority that such payments would constitute "campaign contributions" (can't wait for all the creative arguments of those "legal experts" tho!). In short, this is going nowhere as a criminal matter for Trump.

Second, as a political matter, of course the Dems are going to use this as a basis to impeach Trump, but they were already going to impeach him anyway if they retake the House. They're either going to retake the House or not. If they make impeachment a central part of this fall campaign, I suspect that will not help them do so.

Third, this is why you hire reputable lawyers to do your dirty work. You think the Feds were ever going to raid the offices of Perkins Cole? The Clintons know how to do this right. Trump is straight up amateur hour when it comes to hiring attorneys. He'd better get serious.

Fourth, I'm really glad Stormy Daniels is back in the headlines. I really hope CNN gets back to giving Avenatti plenty of airtime and the Dems really embrace this whole hog. It's really gonna boost the favorability of the Dem party!

It's "Perkins Coie" bud.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 22, 2018, 10:23:57 AM
Trump would be able to get better attorneys if he didn't have a reputation for not paying them. Rudy Giuliani is worse than a court-appointed attorney would be. I'd rather represent myself.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2018, 10:27:25 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS

Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 10:41:55 AM
i'm not an attorney.  please explain to me why a prosecutor's decision to charge someone with a certain crime and the alleged criminal's decision to plead guilty to that crime does not indicate that the crime is a crime.

KSUW believes in the sort of thing described below in the same way that he believes in principles that rich people should benefit more from tax cuts than the non-rich, including himself, should.

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1032268471525154817
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 22, 2018, 10:44:25 AM
if you are constantly finding yourself in such social and legal jeopardy that you need to keep a "fixer" on retainer, you probably aren't fit to hold political office
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 10:51:51 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS

Who are you talking about?  I am not retired and cannot watch much news channel programming on weekdays.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2018, 10:58:02 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS





Who are you talking about?  I am not retired and cannot watch much news channel programming on weekdays.

They never talk about the news cycle on Twitter  (Dugout Dickstone)
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 22, 2018, 11:06:06 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-cohen-donald-trump-pardon-trial-guilty-russia-investigation-a8502451.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_source=reddit.com#Echobox=1534934741

What is the legal reasoning for refusing to accept a pardon? Is this like Mangino taking himself out of the running for a coaching job?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 11:22:14 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-cohen-donald-trump-pardon-trial-guilty-russia-investigation-a8502451.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_source=reddit.com#Echobox=1534934741

What is the legal reasoning for refusing to accept a pardon? Is this like Mangino taking himself out of the running for a coaching job?

It isn't legal reasoning. This is all political. Cohen is being "represented" by Clinton-fixer Lanny Davis! The top priority for Lanny is to extract as much damage as he can from his client against Trump. Hence the "we don't want a pardon." This whole thing is a circus.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS

No one ever uses social media to talk about things being said on TV (Dug)
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 11:26:42 AM
if you are constantly finding yourself in such social and legal jeopardy that you need to keep a "fixer" on retainer, you probably aren't fit to hold political office

I'm just quoting this for posterity. Literally every major Democrat politician - including Obama and the Clintons - had at least one if not multiple fixers. In fact, Clinton fixer Lanny Davis is now "representing" Trump's fixer! That is amazing. :lol:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 22, 2018, 11:29:16 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-cohen-donald-trump-pardon-trial-guilty-russia-investigation-a8502451.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_source=reddit.com#Echobox=1534934741

What is the legal reasoning for refusing to accept a pardon? Is this like Mangino taking himself out of the running for a coaching job?

It isn't legal reasoning. This is all political. Cohen is being "represented" by Clinton-fixer Lanny Davis! The top priority for Lanny is to extract as much damage as he can from his client against Trump. Hence the "we don't want a pardon." This whole thing is a circus.

I have a really hard time believing Michael Cohen is wiling to sit in prison to hurt Trump politically if there were a way he wouldn't have to.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 11:33:52 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michael-cohen-donald-trump-pardon-trial-guilty-russia-investigation-a8502451.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&utm_source=reddit.com#Echobox=1534934741

What is the legal reasoning for refusing to accept a pardon? Is this like Mangino taking himself out of the running for a coaching job?

It isn't legal reasoning. This is all political. Cohen is being "represented" by Clinton-fixer Lanny Davis! The top priority for Lanny is to extract as much damage as he can from his client against Trump. Hence the "we don't want a pardon." This whole thing is a circus.

I have a really hard time believing Michael Cohen is wiling to sit in prison to hurt Trump politically if there were a way he wouldn't have to.

This is just Lanny Davis posturing.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 11:37:57 AM
By the way, raise your hand if you're smarter than Alan Dershowitz. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html)

As I said, Trump isn't in legal jeopardy. If Trump directed Cohen to pay the hush money, that isn't a campaign finance violation.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
I guess we will see.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 22, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
Alan Dershowitz is far too old to be a competent criminal attorney.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 22, 2018, 12:13:34 PM
if you are constantly finding yourself in such social and legal jeopardy that you need to keep a "fixer" on retainer, you probably aren't fit to hold political office

I'm just quoting this for posterity. Literally every major Democrat politician - including Obama and the Clintons - had at least one if not multiple fixers. In fact, Clinton fixer Lanny Davis is now "representing" Trump's fixer! That is amazing. :lol:

what was the name of BHO's fixer?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: ChiComCat on August 22, 2018, 12:26:52 PM
By the way, raise your hand if you're smarter than Alan Dershowitz. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html)

As I said, Trump isn't in legal jeopardy. If Trump directed Cohen to pay the hush money, that isn't a campaign finance violation.

:rolleyes:

Trump lives in legal jeopardy.  Also, the payoff could absolutely be a campaign finance violation.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 22, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS

No one ever uses social media to talk about things being said on TV (Dug)

what account is best to follow for the latest in enraged old white dude news?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 22, 2018, 12:37:10 PM
@realDonaldTrump is the best by far.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
Interesting

https://twitter.com/DavidKris/status/1032339510762205184
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 22, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1032342891497246720
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 02:29:12 PM
lol he's a busy guy!
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 22, 2018, 02:40:57 PM
the guy is a flipping machine
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: catastrophe on August 22, 2018, 03:20:32 PM
I’ve said it before, but Trump should be impeached for the simple reason that he is an idiot with terrible judgment in hiring and firing people to work for him. Even if it turns out that Trump had Cohen pay Putin $1 million to meddle in the US election, it still would only be the second or third biggest reason he should be impeached.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 03:46:08 PM
I’ve said it before, but Trump should be impeached for the simple reason that he is an idiot with terrible judgment in hiring and firing people to work for him. Even if it turns out that Trump had Cohen pay Putin $1 million to meddle in the US election, it still would only be the second or third biggest reason he should be impeached.

While i agree with you that Trump has shown poor judgment in hiring certain people, I hardly think that constitutes a high crime or misdemeanor. Doesn't seem like we should be setting that precedent.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 22, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
I'd rather we don't set the precedent of normalizing a president that behaves like trump
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
I'd rather we don't set the precedent of normalizing a president that behaves like trump

Ok. And the good news is he's up for reelection in 2020. You lost in 2016 but you get another chance.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 22, 2018, 03:54:08 PM
Low information voters, smdh
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 03:57:07 PM
Low information voters, smdh

Gotcha, impeachment is a way to override those low information voters. Who knew Democrats were such fans of disenfranchising people?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 22, 2018, 04:00:23 PM
Lol, impeaching criminal officials is now voter disenfranchisement.

These are the lengths the trump cult go to justify their unyielding devotion.

Goodness kdub  :lol:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 22, 2018, 04:08:34 PM
Lol, impeaching criminal officials is now voter disenfranchisement.

These are the lengths the trump cult go to justify their unyielding devotion.

Goodness kdub  :lol:

Ok, so now you've reverted back to crimes. Find me an actual high crime and misdemeanor and I'll join you. So far we've got - at worst - a campaign finance violation, and even that seems unlikely.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 04:17:31 PM
https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1032237846629965824
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 22, 2018, 04:21:03 PM
Politicians are partisan . . . news!

Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: catastrophe on August 22, 2018, 04:24:32 PM
I’d say they could nab him for child endangerment.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: wetwillie on August 22, 2018, 06:19:07 PM
I’ve said it before, but Trump should be impeached for the simple reason that he is an idiot with terrible judgment in hiring and firing people to work for him. Even if it turns out that Trump had Cohen pay Putin $1 million to meddle in the US election, it still would only be the second or third biggest reason he should be impeached.

Wait you think trump paid putin to throw the election?
Title: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 22, 2018, 06:22:51 PM
The amount of republicans scrambling to defend and deflect for Trump is humiliating to my party and the few of us that are left not falling in line no matter what. I’m a man of principles, so I’ll stand firm. I’ll just be sad doing it.


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Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 22, 2018, 07:01:05 PM
Love the combination of corruption and incompetence here. Definitely looking forward to many years of investigations into Trump Organization.

https://twitter.com/LeonHWolf/status/1032330033099100165
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 22, 2018, 09:39:55 PM
Debating about putting it in the Mollie Tibbetts thread, but I think this is a great piece that gets to the root of the issue

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/)
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 22, 2018, 09:43:29 PM
Debating about putting it in the Mollie Tibbetts thread, but I think this is a great piece that gets to the root of the issue

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/)

I didn't read the article but read the title.  In my expert opinion, instead of reading a probably super long article, they don't think much about it at all, as long as it wasn't Hillary or the dems doing it, they are 100% fine with it.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:27:55 PM
https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1032237846629965824

More middle school material  :zzz:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:29:26 PM
Why don't we make fun of people who string tweet 1/x ???

That's enraged old tard stuff if I ever saw it
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:31:50 PM
https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1032227907849146368

 :eek:

This person doesn't know wtf they're talking about, ftr
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:34:43 PM
I bet the guy that was Bill Clinton's attorney back when I was in middle school was way worse

Once again this shitty take.   The guy is quite literally working the TV circuit . . . today.   Yet, you're going to try and play that card, Dug?

FFS





Who are you talking about?  I am not retired and cannot watch much news channel programming on weekdays.

They never talk about the news cycle on Twitter  (Dugout Dickstone)

He's clearly testing a new boring retort to post ad nauseum, probably already posted some version of this a dozen times today
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 22, 2018, 10:38:30 PM
By the way, raise your hand if you're smarter than Alan Dershowitz. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/22/dershowitz_candidate_entitled_to_pay_hush_money_committed_no_election_crime.html)

As I said, Trump isn't in legal jeopardy. If Trump directed Cohen to pay the hush money, that isn't a campaign finance violation.

I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 23, 2018, 06:15:07 AM
https://twitter.com/frankfigliuzzi1/status/1032459417638330368?s=21


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Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sys on August 23, 2018, 08:45:22 AM
I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

the only people i've seen that don't think he committed a campaign finance felony are you, ksu_w and alan dershowitz.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

the only people i've seen that don't think he committed a campaign finance felony are you, ksu_w and alan dershowitz.

Also Giuliani. A wise and sensible group of four, to be sure.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 23, 2018, 09:13:51 AM
I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

the only people i've seen that don't think he committed a campaign finance felony are you, ksu_w and alan dershowitz.

I appreciate that I'm being mentioned in the same sentence as Alan Dershowitz. Big timing. This isn't really that hard to understand. If Trump spent his own money - that's not a campaign finance violation. If Cohen spent his money, and paying hush money is somehow construed as a campaign contribution, that's a campaign finance violation... by Cohen. Not Trump. The only place Trump potentially gets in trouble is if he used campaign funds to pay the hush money. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2018, 09:30:33 AM
This isn't really that hard to understand. If Trump spent his own money - that's not a campaign finance violation. If Cohen spent his money, and paying hush money is somehow construed as a campaign contribution, that's a campaign finance violation... by Cohen. Not Trump. The only place Trump potentially gets in trouble is if he used campaign funds to pay the hush money. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1032310459292999680
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: catastrophe on August 23, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

the only people i've seen that don't think he committed a campaign finance felony are you, ksu_w and alan dershowitz.

I appreciate that I'm being mentioned in the same sentence as Alan Dershowitz. Big timing. This isn't really that hard to understand. If Trump spent his own money - that's not a campaign finance violation. If Cohen spent his money, and paying hush money is somehow construed as a campaign contribution, that's a campaign finance violation... by Cohen. Not Trump. The only place Trump potentially gets in trouble is if he used campaign funds to pay the hush money. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.

Even if everything you say is true, it would be a crime if Trump knew about and/or directed Cohen to do what he did. That’s conspiracy.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 23, 2018, 09:37:51 AM
https://twitter.com/colvinj/status/1032572646767124481
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 23, 2018, 09:40:50 AM
https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/1032586248374890496

Now claiming to have nothing to do with his own presidential campaign  :lol:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 23, 2018, 09:55:01 AM
c'mon dax #book
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Katpappy on August 23, 2018, 10:10:28 AM
c'mon dax #book


Pushing hot buttons.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 23, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
I don't think anyone think trump committed a campaign violation by donating to himself, or telling someone to donate to him (even though no money was actually donated to him, rather paid to an extortionist)

If they do, they are straight Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

the only people i've seen that don't think he committed a campaign finance felony are you, ksu_w and alan dershowitz.

I appreciate that I'm being mentioned in the same sentence as Alan Dershowitz. Big timing. This isn't really that hard to understand. If Trump spent his own money - that's not a campaign finance violation. If Cohen spent his money, and paying hush money is somehow construed as a campaign contribution, that's a campaign finance violation... by Cohen. Not Trump. The only place Trump potentially gets in trouble is if he used campaign funds to pay the hush money. I'm not seeing any evidence of that.

If it's done with the intent to influence the outcome of a public election, it counts as a campaign contribution. It doesn't matter whose money it was. And if it's qualified as a campaign contribution (and it was, because otherwise why spend this money two weeks after the ET tape and two weeks before before the election?) then certain rules have to be followed. And they were not.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 23, 2018, 10:16:53 AM
Cutting a piece of tubing isn't a crime but if that piece of tubing is the brake fluid line on your neighbors car, then yeah, it's a crime.

Now substitute paying hush money to a mistress with cutting a piece of tubing and paying hush money to a mistress to avoid losing an presidential election with cutting the brake lines.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 23, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
incredible mental gymnastics being done by rudy and some of our most valuable pit posters
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 23, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 23, 2018, 10:45:28 AM
I didn't realize the mueller investigation had concluded.
Title: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: catastrophe on August 23, 2018, 10:46:35 AM
KSUW, most posters ITT are just acknowledging that Trump probably broke federal laws as a candidate. You’re the one in make believe world pretending (1) it’s not against the law, and (2) WITCH HUNT.

Just act like a rational person for a second.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: 8manpick on August 23, 2018, 10:47:28 AM
I mean, the fact that he committed a campaign finance felony in no way precludes that he colluded with a foreign government to steal information from his political rivals.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Katpappy on August 23, 2018, 10:53:53 AM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.

I guess I'm confused; isn't prostitution and a "John" paying for it illegal.  But wait, he's got money, so doesn't need to obey the laws.  :dunno:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sys on August 23, 2018, 10:55:44 AM
paid them to not talk about rough ridin' him, technically.  not for rough ridin' him.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Katpappy on August 23, 2018, 11:00:04 AM
paid them to not talk about rough ridin' him, technically.  not for rough ridin' him.
Doesn't change the fact she mumped him for cash; only a idiot would think otherwise.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 23, 2018, 11:05:24 AM
paid them to not talk about rough ridin' him, technically.  not for rough ridin' him.

although...he DID try to pay Stormy Daniels immediately after rough ridin' her. Don't remember about the other one.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 23, 2018, 11:07:01 AM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.

well you can abandon your religious stance then.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 23, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
KSUW, most posters ITT are just acknowledging that Trump probably broke federal laws as a candidate. You’re the one in make believe world pretending (1) it’s not against the law, and (2) WITCH HUNT.

Just act like a rational person for a second.

I am. And as I have explained, the law is far from clear that paying these funds constituted a campaign contribution. Do you really want to contend that this was a campaign expense? If so, he could have used campaign funds to pay for it. I can’t even imagine the liberal head explosion if that happened. You are grasping at, at worst, a technical violation of ambiguous laws, and even that is a stretch.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html)
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 23, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.

well you can abandon your religious stance then.

Beg pardon? Donald Trump holds a political office. I can support him based upon his policies regardless about how I feel about his personal morals or lack thereof. That’s just a silly cheap shot.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: catastrophe on August 23, 2018, 11:26:29 AM
See, I don’t even know what you mean by “grasping.” Most people (including the guy they just convinced for it) think Trump broke the law. And we pretty much know what the liberal (and conservative) reaction would have been if Trump paid and disclosed the funds in accordance with federal law, because a lot worse has already come out about the intermingling and waste of funds from the Trump Foundation. Most people’s heads stayed intact.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 23, 2018, 11:28:44 AM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.

well you can abandon your religious stance then.

Beg pardon? Donald Trump holds a political office. I can support him based upon his policies regardless about how I feel about his personal morals or lack thereof. That’s just a silly cheap shot.

Fair enough.  You would agree you forfeit any commentary on other officials based on their non-official behavior right?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Trim on August 23, 2018, 11:45:44 AM
He was really dumb for paying and trying to conceal Stormy.  Perhaps not the exact names and dates, but everyone already knew he did that stuff.  That lifestyle was already ignored or celebrated by supporters.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 23, 2018, 12:21:49 PM
KSUW, most posters ITT are just acknowledging that Trump probably broke federal laws as a candidate. You’re the one in make believe world pretending (1) it’s not against the law, and (2) WITCH HUNT.

Just act like a rational person for a second.

I am. And as I have explained, the law is far from clear that paying these funds constituted a campaign contribution. Do you really want to contend that this was a campaign expense? If so, he could have used campaign funds to pay for it. I can’t even imagine the liberal head explosion if that happened. You are grasping at, at worst, a technical violation of ambiguous laws, and even that is a stretch.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html)

This is fascinating. KSUW, what makes the law ambiguous in this case?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: treysolid on August 23, 2018, 12:26:18 PM
Also, related question - do you know why SuperPACs can collect accept huge donations from individuals while campaigns cannot?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 23, 2018, 01:24:24 PM
Sure guys. If this is what you want to hang on your hat on, knock yourselves out. I’m sorry the whole Russia thing didn’t pan out for you. You’re now hoping to impeach the president for, at worst, a technical campaign finance violation, and even that is extremely suspect. And for what, to hush up something embarrassing but hardly illegal. A millionaire playboy behaving like a millionaire playboy.

Any rational, objective person would realize how absurd and nakedly political this play is, but I don’t expect you to be rational or objective. So run with it! Enjoy every tweeted twist and turn of this new earth shattering “worse than watergate” “now we’ve finally got him” scandal. I think you’re ultimately setting yourself up for disappointment, but you can ride this a while longer.

well you can abandon your religious stance then.

Beg pardon? Donald Trump holds a political office. I can support him based upon his policies regardless about how I feel about his personal morals or lack thereof. That’s just a silly cheap shot.

Yeah, he just represents me. Why would I care if he has any morals?
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 23, 2018, 02:16:04 PM
KSUW, most posters ITT are just acknowledging that Trump probably broke federal laws as a candidate. You’re the one in make believe world pretending (1) it’s not against the law, and (2) WITCH HUNT.

Just act like a rational person for a second.

I am. And as I have explained, the law is far from clear that paying these funds constituted a campaign contribution. Do you really want to contend that this was a campaign expense? If so, he could have used campaign funds to pay for it. I can’t even imagine the liberal head explosion if that happened. You are grasping at, at worst, a technical violation of ambiguous laws, and even that is a stretch.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html)

This is fascinating. KSUW, what makes the law ambiguous in this case?

I am far from an expert on campaign finance. Nobody on this board is. But I can read the opinions of other experts who can acknowledge that the law is murky at best. You can start with the WaPo article I linked.

This thread has become the next Trump-Russia fever swamp. Have fun mucking about. I really, honestly don't care and I've already descended way too far into an issue that is so frankly unimportant. The Dems will take the house or they won't. And if they do, they'll start impeachment proceedings, and we'll see how that works out politically for them. This is all political. I see nothing even close to approaching a high crime or misdemeanor that would call into question my support for Trump. You don't either, not really, you don't care, and that's ok with me.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 23, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
I do agree, impeachment is dumb for everyone.  They won’t do it but they will act like they could.  It’s better that way anyway
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: bucket on August 23, 2018, 06:42:07 PM
He was really dumb for paying and trying to conceal Stormy.  Perhaps not the exact names and dates, but everyone already knew he did that stuff.  That lifestyle was already ignored or celebrated by supporters.

Considering his narrow victory it may have played a big role in the overall election.
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: gatoveintisiet on August 23, 2018, 07:51:21 PM
I like my President to bang babes I’d like to bang, it makes me feel gross when my President bangs trailer
Trash skanks, and I really am sicked out when they get rapey with middle aged gross outs
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 23, 2018, 08:27:21 PM
I like my President to bang babes I’d like to bang, it makes me feel gross when my President bangs trailer
Trash skanks, and I really am sicked out when they get rapey with middle aged gross outs

good trump voter bio here
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: gatoveintisiet on August 23, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
I like my President to bang babes I’d like to bang, it makes me feel gross when my President bangs trailer
Trash skanks, and I really am sicked out when they get rapey with middle aged gross outs

good trump voter bio here

I wasn’t sure who you were so I checked out your Twitter in your tagline, it was a cornucopia of hot takes
 :cheers:

That one where SBnation was hyping mississippi state, and you go “well for starters they suck”  oh man
You just destroyed SBnation
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: chum1 on August 23, 2018, 09:38:29 PM
Definitely looking forward to many years of investigations into Trump Organization.

https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/1032801377486098432
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 24, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1032816868002811904
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 24, 2018, 09:54:31 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveKopack/status/1033002863314825216

 :eek:
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: star seed 7 on August 24, 2018, 03:15:48 PM
I like my President to bang babes I’d like to bang, it makes me feel gross when my President bangs trailer
Trash skanks, and I really am sicked out when they get rapey with middle aged gross outs

good trump voter bio here

https://twitter.com/SachaBaronCohen/status/1032672183536033793
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: steve dave on August 24, 2018, 09:43:22 PM
 :lol:

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1033063828710457344
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: sys on August 24, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/1032809171798904833
Title: Re: That guy that was Trump's attorney for X years
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 25, 2018, 12:04:22 PM
For real