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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: gatoveintisiete on July 17, 2018, 10:02:36 PM
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Do you believe that Trump is compromised to Russia and/or do you believe that Trump has a working relationship with the Russian government that would benefit either Trump or Russia at the expense of the United States.
*note that I am not asking if you believe Russia independently effed with our politics.
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Probably
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I think he has financial entanglements for decades with Russian type people just from doing business on the "edge".
I don't necessarily think those things are the only driver for him to want to be friendly with Russia.
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I believe Trump is financially compromised by Russia in some way (money laundering, debt, proof of corruption, etc), and I believe he would put his own interests ahead of the United States.
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Yeah what 8man said. There is a long history of him, his casinos, Russia and cash business deals that don’t make business sense. There’s probably something there.
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yes
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Yes to both. It's pretty clear from his words and behavior.
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It seems pretty obvious at this point.
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Russia unloaded almost the entirety of its US treasury holdings because of sanctions.
Nearly $100bn dollars worth.
Right about the same time Putin was meeting with Xi was the last dump of US treasuries by Russia.
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Yes, and I think he will get away with it.
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Definitely compromised. I think that is obvious by the financial picture alone. As for meddling, I do tend to buy into the “too stupid to collude” defense, but I think he was aware of what was going on initially and didn’t care.
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yes
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It seems pretty obvious at this point.
yep.
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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.
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27? What about you bud?
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Entanglements with Russia? Sure. Outright COLUSION, no.
But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.
Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea.
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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.
The no COLUSION thing that he keeps hammering for the last 2 years is actually your tip-off here, whenever Trump does this it always ends up that he is on the high ground.
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Entanglements with Russia? Sure. Outright COLUSION, no.
But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.
Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea.
Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia
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Entanglements with Russia? Sure. Outright COLUSION, no.
But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.
Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea.
Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia
I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.
How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over? One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”. Dumb.
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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.
The no COLUSION thing that he keeps hammering for the last 2 years is actually your tip-off here, whenever Trump does this it always ends up that he is on the high ground.
Any examples?
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Entanglements with Russia? Sure. Outright COLUSION, no.
But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.
Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea.
Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia
I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.
How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over? One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”. Dumb.
So things have been done in the real world. Maybe you just misspoke and should have included a "something" instead of "nothing"? That seems popular way to backtrack.
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Entanglements with Russia? Sure. Outright COLUSION, no.
But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.
Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea.
Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia
I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.
How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over? One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”. Dumb.
Being a part of a large alliance of western powers makes us far less likely to end up at war than not being a part of that alliance. If leaders of France, Germany, and the UK were talking about NATO the way that Trump does, to the point that it would be reasonable to think they might not honor the alliance, then I would agree that maybe it's not in our interest to be a part of it.
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Do you believe that Trump is compromised to Russia and/or do you believe that Trump has a working relationship with the Russian government that would benefit either Trump or Russia at the expense of the United States.
*note that I am not asking if you believe Russia independently effed with our politics.
You'd have to be a parnoid and delusional lunatic to believe that.
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I think nancy pelosi is the leader of this batshit conspiracy theory.
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yep
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Would explain some things
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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.
The no COLUSION thing that he keeps hammering for the last 2 years is actually your tip-off here, whenever Trump does this it always ends up that he is on the high ground.
Any examples?
I have an unblemished record of being correct in all things Trump.
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So any examples?
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He's your President friend
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So nothing?
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He loves to stake out the high ground on issues like immigration, anthem protests etc. and when the politicians and media attack him he doubles down with his high ground position and clownsuits them. What makes it work is his position is shared by the majority of the public or in this case he is just telling the truth.
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He loves to stake out the high ground on issues like immigration, anthem protests etc. and when the politicians and media attack him he doubles down with his high ground position and clownsuits them. What makes it work is his position is shared by the majority of the public or in this case he is just telling the truth.
yes, this happens a lot irl lib
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gonna answer the original post with a hearty yeah
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
Come on FSD, that doesn't matter to LibBot/New NeoCon Nation, and you know it.
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
Releasing his tax returns may help clarify this for those who have questions....
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
No to all of this
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
See what happened was fsd, Russians are stone cold geniuses like myself and knew the day in 2015 when Trump came down the escalator that he would defeat all 17
pubs for the nomination and then whip Hillarys ass so they went to him then and made a deal for him to sell out the United States of America when he won and they
were so confident that they were not in the least bit worried that the plan would fail and they would be exposed. That's just the way rl works.
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I mean, at least there are a few of us who recognize it as pure fantasy.
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You really think russia got dirt on trump and threatened to use it against him unless he successfully won the presidential election and promised to help them (even though all of his actual actions have been to hurt them)????
I assume the "financial entanglements" not mentioned in the OP are some 1980's loan from a russian bank for a million dollars, which is a drop of piss in the bucket of his net worth.
See what happened was fsd, Russians are stone cold geniuses like myself and knew the day in 2015 when Trump came down the escalator that he would defeat all 17
pubs for the nomination and then whip Hillarys ass so they went to him then and made a deal for him to sell out the United States of America when he won and they
were so confident that they were not in the least bit worried that the plan would fail and they would be exposed. That's just the way rl works.
Not to mention the Vlad/Don Team absolutely kicking NSA/CIA/FBI/Brennan/Comey/Tapper taints and ass all the way to now 2 years in the Oval Office.
Greatest clandestine operation in world history.
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Also a big shout out to the McConnell/Putin team in getting Obama to sit the eff down on the whole deal.
#owned.
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Obama and Clinton are in on it, right? They shitcanned any agency effort to investigate "meddling" and before that gave russia a bunch of uraniam, let russia conquer crimea and ukraine and proxy state syria, and gave russia proxy state iran billions of dollars to build nukes and sponsor terrorism. Clinton and Donald go way back, so you don't even need a John Nash incoherent web of yarn and newspaper clippings to get there.
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a few people feeling the need to type out paragraphs in response to a yes or no question. weird.
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Has Wacky’crat08 said yes yet?
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Some people just can’t reconcile how badly their guys got worked if what they believe about Trump turns out to be true. If it is true, and then we add it to the overall list:
It’ll be the greatest period of total domination of a Russian administration over a US presidency since the end of WW II. It will solidify the era of post election flexibility as the greatest geopolitical bend over ever.
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Some people just can’t reconcile how badly their guys got worked if what they believe about Trump turns out to be true. If it is true, and then we add it to the overall list:
It’ll be the greatest period of total domination of a Russian administration over a US presidency since the end of WW II. It will solidify the era of post election flexibility as the greatest geopolitical bend over ever.
I think that's a "yes" SD...if you are keeping a tally
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Some people just can’t reconcile how badly their guys got worked if what they believe about Trump turns out to be true. If it is true, and then we add it to the overall list:
It’ll be the greatest period of total domination of a Russian administration over a US presidency since the end of WW II. It will solidify the era of post election flexibility as the greatest geopolitical bend over ever.
As in the antistud?
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Some people just can’t reconcile how badly their guys got worked if what they believe about Trump turns out to be true. If it is true, and then we add it to the overall list:
It’ll be the greatest period of total domination of a Russian administration over a US presidency since the end of WW II. It will solidify the era of post election flexibility as the greatest geopolitical bend over ever.
I think that's a "yes" SD...if you are keeping a tally
If I knew how to mod posts I'd change this one to a poll. but alas
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Some people just can’t reconcile how badly their guys got worked if what they believe about Trump turns out to be true. If it is true, and then we add it to the overall list:
It’ll be the greatest period of total domination of a Russian administration over a US presidency since the end of WW II. It will solidify the era of post election flexibility as the greatest geopolitical bend over ever.
Wouldn't trump be the most dominated? I mean, he literally puts out Russian propaganda :dunno:
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I very much enjoy the building up of the excuse that will be engaged later.
Thanks Obama.
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Thanks Obama and Friends for getting completely owned and allowing Vlad Putin to install the president of the United States.
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incredible pivot
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“stand down”. Susan Rice to our top CyberSecurity guy who was ready to take on Russian hacking.
How much dirt did Vlad have on Barrack?
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Am I supposed to be surprised that a dude who spends all his free time at Disney has bought in hook line a sinker on this fantasy?
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:Keke:
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Thanks Obama and Friends for getting completely owned and allowing Vlad Putin to install the president of the United States.
Incredible
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incredible pivot
I think we are about a week in on dax laying this groundwork.
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Libtards: COLUSION, no compromised, no agent, no rando other stuff. . . You're pivoting!!!! :curse:
:lol:
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Throw a whataboutism in for good measure. Which is translation for: We realize now we were fully complicit with and supported policies we now pretend to be outraged about because it’s a different administration.
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So, I had no idea this was really a thing
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Democrats Embracing Crazy Could Be A Gift To The GOP
Derek Hunter | July 29, 2018
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Democrats Embracing Crazy Could Be A Gift To The GOP
The Democratic Party should be living the dream this year – midterm elections always favor the party out of power. Yet they, and their advocates in the media, are doing everything they can to blow it. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea that they’d blow it, but it is weird how they seem more interested in embracing crazy than they are in winning.
Democrats love to accuse Republicans of being the conspiracy theory party, mostly due to a few fringe players the media portrays as conservatives rather than the cranks they really are. Had you ever heard of Orly Taitz before she became the face of birtherism? Probably not because there was no reason to. But you would have thought she was a Chair of the Republican Party by the way this unknown was portrayed by the media. And surely some people listen to Alex Jones, but no one with any influence does. He’s a conspiracy theorist yelling into an empty field, but he’s covered like he’s Rush Limbaugh.
Of less interest to the media is the conspiracy loons on the left who, thanks to shoddy and biased reporting, have spent the last 18 months actually believing Donald Trump conspired with Vladimir Putin to steal the election. Worse, according to a new YouGov/Economist poll believe the Russians actually changed votes to throw the election to Trump.
Yes, 55 percent of Democrats actually believe the idea that Russia changed votes to favor Trump, either “definitely” or “probably” happened. That’s “forget the grassy knoll, Kennedy committed suicide” level conspiracy stupid. For this to be true it would not only require Trump and Putin to have conspired together, but for everyone investigating that alleged COLUSION to have been in on it as well since everyone investigating it, from Congress to the Justice Department, has said no votes were changed.
:lol:
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Donald Trump is the face of birtherism
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And Donald Trump went on alex jones' show and regularly retweets infowars articles (dax does too).
Derek hunter seems to be an idiot
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So, I had no idea this was really a thing
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Democrats Embracing Crazy Could Be A Gift To The GOP
Derek Hunter | July 29, 2018
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Democrats Embracing Crazy Could Be A Gift To The GOP
The Democratic Party should be living the dream this year – midterm elections always favor the party out of power. Yet they, and their advocates in the media, are doing everything they can to blow it. Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea that they’d blow it, but it is weird how they seem more interested in embracing crazy than they are in winning.
Democrats love to accuse Republicans of being the conspiracy theory party, mostly due to a few fringe players the media portrays as conservatives rather than the cranks they really are. Had you ever heard of Orly Taitz before she became the face of birtherism? Probably not because there was no reason to. But you would have thought she was a Chair of the Republican Party by the way this unknown was portrayed by the media. And surely some people listen to Alex Jones, but no one with any influence does. He’s a conspiracy theorist yelling into an empty field, but he’s covered like he’s Rush Limbaugh.
Of less interest to the media is the conspiracy loons on the left who, thanks to shoddy and biased reporting, have spent the last 18 months actually believing Donald Trump conspired with Vladimir Putin to steal the election. Worse, according to a new YouGov/Economist poll believe the Russians actually changed votes to throw the election to Trump.
Yes, 55 percent of Democrats actually believe the idea that Russia changed votes to favor Trump, either “definitely” or “probably” happened. That’s “forget the grassy knoll, Kennedy committed suicide” level conspiracy stupid. For this to be true it would not only require Trump and Putin to have conspired together, but for everyone investigating that alleged COLUSION to have been in on it as well since everyone investigating it, from Congress to the Justice Department, has said no votes were changed.
:lol:
Yep, this was what I suspected and what later played out in this thread. :frown: but :lol:
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I don't know who the hell Oiley Taintz is but Alex Jones has his share of followers.
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I don't know who the hell Oiley Taintz is but Alex Jones has his share of followers.
Never heard of that dude either. Have heard of birther in chief Donald Trump tho
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The back and forth between Trump and Obama is amazing, I don't know where it started maybe the birther troll, then Obama trolls trump at that dinner, then Trump announces for Prez, then Obama mocks his chances, then Trump steamrolls the White House, then Obama creeps on his campaign, then Trump wins, then Obama makes up Russia and tries to take down his Presidency, then Trump starts dismantling everything Obama did...… its been a pretty hilarious battle.
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I think you lost me at Obama makes up Russia, but up until then great recap.
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that's all I can remember, there may be more.
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I don't know who the hell Oiley Taintz is but Alex Jones has his share of followers.
Never heard of that dude either. Have heard of birther in chief Donald Trump tho
Look at all this Libflection! :D
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Looks like a few of the 55% morons have been outed.
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He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.
Yes. This, exactly. Completely transparent.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1035144948453187584
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Why would you change parts on a smooth running machine?
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I think Russia is all up in everyone's biz everywhere - so there are connections - buuuuut they don't have nearly as much control as they want or the media would want to portray.
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Except they do apparently have control over everything our President says if Putin happens to be in the same room.
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It’s all about to unravel.........
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It’s all about to unravel.........
Today is the day! ....wait....