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Title: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 10:20:49 AM

i'm starting a new thread instead of just throwing it in the pc thread because i'm sure i'll have more stuff like this in the future.  my instincts are to hate all of this change for change sake crap.  but logically, mcwhorter is obviously right, the taboos of my youth were no more logical than the taboos of today.  and those of today no stupider than those coming tomorrow.

"i did" does seem to me like a natural construction to the broken lamp question though.  not sure if he's saying that i without a verb is unnatural or that any use of i is unnatural.


https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563612/?__twitter_impression=true

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: michigancat on June 30, 2018, 08:09:42 PM

Quote from: sys on June 29, 2018, 10:20:49 AM

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"i did" does seem to me like a natural construction to the broken lamp question though.  not sure if he's saying that i without a verb is unnatural or that any use of i is unnatural.


https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/563612/?__twitter_impression=true

Yeah sometimes he oversimplifies or rushes. He probably should have said no one will correct you if you answer with "me" even though it's technically improper.

Also we tell our kids they can swear in our house but be aware that other people might be offended or mad or uncomfortable. They don't cuss too much but one daughter says "Jeeee-zus...." just about any time I ask her to do something like put away her dirty dishes which is pretty annoying.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: michigancat on June 30, 2018, 08:10:24 PM

sys does "latinx" infuriate you? I've only really seen it written so I'm not sure how people pronounce it.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on June 30, 2018, 08:44:52 PM

Quote from: michigancat on June 30, 2018, 08:10:24 PM

sys does "latinx" infuriate you? I've only really seen it written so I'm not sure how people pronounce it.

it kinda infuriates me, yes.  if you want to make the terms gender neutral, just anglicize them to latin and be done with it.  it's a more natural way to achieve the same goal.

and i don't see the need to neuter them to start with.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: renocat on June 30, 2018, 08:46:22 PM

Ignorant morons cuss and use foul language because they have no capacity for civil conversation.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on July 21, 2018, 01:13:00 AM

covfefe among other things

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/trump-speech/565646/

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on July 23, 2018, 02:06:52 PM

106 year old mid-atlantic accent.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1021444416265957378

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: DQ12 on July 23, 2018, 02:25:41 PM

i always imagined him speaking like foghorn leghorn

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 07:15:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdUbIlwHRkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdUbIlwHRkY)

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM

i'm going to start The Kingdom of Speech on sunday.  anyone read it?

Quote

In the book, Wolfe criticises Darwin and his colleagues for taking partial credit from Alfred Wallace for the theory of evolution and ignoring Wallace's later work on the theory. Wolfe then criticises Noam Chomsky for dismissing Daniel Everett, who disputes Chomsky's claim that all languages are based ultimately on a hard-wired mechanism known as the language acquisition device (LAD). Wolfe argues that speech, not evolution, sets humans apart from animals and is responsible for all of humanity's complex achievements.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on July 27, 2018, 01:12:46 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 07:15:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdUbIlwHRkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdUbIlwHRkY)

the thing i like about linguists is that they all just completely crap on the idiotic idea that irregardless isn't a word.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 02:55:47 PM

Quote from: bubbles4ksu on July 27, 2018, 11:09:12 AM

i'm going to start The Kingdom of Speech on sunday.  anyone read it?

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In the book, Wolfe criticises Darwin and his colleagues for taking partial credit from Alfred Wallace for the theory of evolution and ignoring Wallace's later work on the theory. Wolfe then criticises Noam Chomsky for dismissing Daniel Everett, who disputes Chomsky's claim that all languages are based ultimately on a hard-wired mechanism known as the language acquisition device (LAD). Wolfe argues that speech, not evolution, sets humans apart from animals and is responsible for all of humanity's complex achievements.

Hello, I'm here to take down Darwin and Chomsky.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/08/31/BookWorld/Images/Tom%20Wolfe%20author%20photo_(c)%20Mark%20Seliger.JPG?uuid=awEHqG-REeaDZbGeQoqXXg)

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Kat Kid on July 27, 2018, 03:01:57 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/his-white-suit-unsullied-by-research-tom-wolfe-tries-to-take-down-charles-darwin/2016/08/31/8ee6d4ee-4936-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html?utm_term=.7584c9ce9989 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/his-white-suit-unsullied-by-research-tom-wolfe-tries-to-take-down-charles-darwin/2016/08/31/8ee6d4ee-4936-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html?utm_term=.7584c9ce9989)

I hadn't heard of it until you mentioned it, but this guy hates it. The book I am reading Against The Grain has an awful lot to say about how wrong the idea is that hunter-gatherers "do not need large brains" and I can assure you that is just not supported by the evidence. Chomsky is an extremely well renowned linguist and provides a really compelling case for LAD, but I don't have enough details in that debate to argue as much.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 11:10:00 AM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/what-trumps-typos-reveal/579919/?utm_source=twb

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2019, 03:19:26 PM

man that sarah smarsh clown deserves some discussion in this thread for her made-up dialects

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 03:34:54 PM

she's probably just bad at translating her spoken dialect into writing.  not super easy, i don't think.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: michigancat on January 11, 2019, 03:43:27 PM

Quote from: sys on January 11, 2019, 03:34:54 PM

she's probably just bad at translating her spoken dialect into writing.  not super easy, i don't think.

I'd like to hear her read them

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on January 31, 2019, 11:43:39 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/stenographers-need-understand-black-english/581671/

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on February 15, 2019, 10:58:45 PM

people that use "pleaded" should be shot in the face.

https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/1096632355618476032

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: catastrophe on February 16, 2019, 07:53:58 AM

I go back and forth.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Spracne on February 16, 2019, 09:40:10 AM

Bryan Garner says pleaded is correct. I stand with Bryan.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2019, 11:58:15 AM

I also feel strongly about this sys, death to the pleaded'rs

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Spracne on February 16, 2019, 12:05:31 PM

Pleaded is technically correct. I like to be technically correct, but I don't judge the pledbians.

On a related note, what's the past-tense of the verb "to speed"? Speeded and sped both sound derpy to me.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: star seed 7 on February 16, 2019, 12:12:51 PM

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/909/991/48c.jpg)

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2019, 04:08:57 PM

Quote from: Spracne on February 16, 2019, 12:05:31 PM

Pleaded is technically correct. I like to be technically correct, but I don't judge the pledbians.

On a related note, what's the past-tense of the verb "to speed"? Speeded and sped both sound derpy to me.

Sped

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: bucket on February 22, 2019, 07:46:16 AM

https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/588725115199815680

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 10:10:04 AM

https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/1098766167009837056

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 10:10:50 AM

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1098771321310363649

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2019, 10:16:20 AM

You've got to admire Trumpian defiance in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 10:39:51 AM

ap stylebook is just one man, spracne.  no different than you, i or john harwood.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: DQ12 on February 22, 2019, 10:44:39 AM

educated people actually say "pled"?    wow.

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on February 22, 2019, 11:02:32 AM

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 22, 2019, 10:44:39 AM

educated people actually say "pled"?    wow.

https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1098947870324113408

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on November 17, 2020, 06:10:14 PM

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1328841970840719362

Title: Re: linguistics with john mcwhorter and maybe eventually others
Post by: sys on July 08, 2021, 04:50:15 PM

https://twitter.com/FSBarry/status/1413235239812583426