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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on May 22, 2018, 06:43:40 PM
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:frown:
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Does not look good. They have been fighting the fire for several hours now.
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oh no
hale is one of my favorite buildings on campus :frown:
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Someone mumped up
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Was construction going on? Some newspaper pics show firemen on construction scaffolding.
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Was construction going on? Some newspaper pics show firemen on construction scaffolding.
Yes
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Whoa
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All of the KState IT was affected and they have currently placed pretty much all their systems offline.
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Can confirm there is no fire damage just water and smoke damage.
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Also staff wasn’t even allowed back in the building til last night to get their personal belongings
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don't multibillion dollar global mega institutions like KSU have insurance? why is President General Richard B. Myers soliciting me for recovery donations?
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don't multibillion dollar global mega institutions like KSU have insurance? why is President General Richard B. Myers soliciting me for recovery donations?
They have tuition, too, and that doesn't stop them from asking money for every other general expense they have.
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rebuilding a fire damaged library doesn’t fall into that category
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Schools only make profit off of donations by the end of the day. They put so much of it into different types of projects, that it's whatever that's leftover by the end of the year.
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profit?
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rebuilding a fire damaged library doesn’t fall into that category
by "that category" i assume you mean "tuition" and not "insurance." i would think rebuilding a fire damaged library is exactly the kind of thing that would fall into the "insurance" category.
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profit?
The only way they stay out of the red is by donation, does that make more sense? Profit was not the right terminology.
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profit?
The schools Wacky worked for at least
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rebuilding a fire damaged library doesn’t fall into that category
by "that category" i assume you mean "tuition" and not "insurance." i would think rebuilding a fire damaged library is exactly the kind of thing that would fall into the "insurance" category.
yes it’s covered by insurance. I was referring to the post above mine mentioning general expenses which this isn’t one
if someone calls me asking for hale money i’m going to flip them the double eagles
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profit?
The only way they stay out of the red is by donation, does that make more sense? Profit was not the right terminology.
that’s not true either
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rebuilding a fire damaged library doesn’t fall into that category
by "that category" i assume you mean "tuition" and not "insurance." i would think rebuilding a fire damaged library is exactly the kind of thing that would fall into the "insurance" category.
We shall see. There were lots of things in there that may not have been insured. Insuring a library on a college campus containing books, academic files, technology purchases by different departments, servers, etc. isn't like insuring a home.
They lost pretty much all of the servers that store information for academic departments on campus. Will they be able to recover files off the servers? Unclear at this point and just the lost man hours on that boondoggle are enormous. I don't have the exact specifications for the full extent, but people are scrambling to find the last backed up/emailed version of grant paperwork, seeing what they have backed up for their curriculum materials, etc.
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meh, if you didn't have the grant paperwork insured no $$ I can give will bring it back.
I am sure Myers has the mother of all USAA policies anyway
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So can we assume that K-State did not have GeoDiverse and/or cloud based disaster recovery?
If so, shame . . . shame . . . shame . . . shame . . .
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meh, if you didn't have the grant paperwork insured no $$ I can give will bring it back.
I am sure Myers has the mother of all USAA policies anyway
Sure, but the impact of this fire is far beyond the physical damage.
I also am a bit worried as the first floor renno was $5 million and they had not finished fundraising and now damages are being quoted at as much as $50 million.
We can very safely assume that dax.
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
Agreed, if so, completely inexusible. Even they're concerned about personal information security in a cloud/hosted situation, they could have taken advantage of the geo-diversity right on campus and put back-ups in another building. I thought the new engineering addition was too contain a sizeable data center type environment, is that not where K-State's Super Cluster resides, now?
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
Agreed, if so, completely inexusible. Even they're concerned about personal information security in a cloud/hosted situation, they could have taken advantage of the geo-diversity right on campus and put back-ups in another building. I thought the new engineering addition was too contain a sizeable data center type environment, is that not where K-State's Super Cluster resides, now?
yes to lsoc and dax, unbelievable if true
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yet totally believable bc k state
I bet they are wondering where the hell hemmy is right now
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
Agreed, if so, completely inexusible. Even they're concerned about personal information security in a cloud/hosted situation, they could have taken advantage of the geo-diversity right on campus and put back-ups in another building. I thought the new engineering addition was too contain a sizeable data center type environment, is that not where K-State's Super Cluster resides, now?
It is my understanding that there were 20 servers in that top floor, I don't know which departments have their own servers/data but I will find out more Friday. Also, pretty much all new technology purchases get funneled through those offices before being distributed out. So any new tech purchases that hadn't been given out after being tagged/inventoried etc. were a total loss.
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yet totally believable bc k state
I bet they are wondering where the hell hemmy is right now
The printers probably all have too much smoke damage for him to be much help, anyway.
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never underestimate hemmy
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I bet they are wondering where the hell hemmy is right now
:lol:
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
Construction worker on the roof accidentally started it
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
Agreed, if so, completely inexusible. Even they're concerned about personal information security in a cloud/hosted situation, they could have taken advantage of the geo-diversity right on campus and put back-ups in another building. I thought the new engineering addition was too contain a sizeable data center type environment, is that not where K-State's Super Cluster resides, now?
It is my understanding that there were 20 servers in that top floor, I don't know which departments have their own servers/data but I will find out more Friday. Also, pretty much all new technology purchases get funneled through those offices before being distributed out. So any new tech purchases that hadn't been given out after being tagged/inventoried etc. were a total loss.
So each individual office on the top floor had a server running or hosting a disparate platform/application? Please tell me I'm wrong.
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
Construction worker on the roof accidentally started it
sounds like k s of u might have a lawsuit to file.
it's a little embarrassing that we're crowdsourcing this.
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
Construction worker on the roof accidentally started it
sounds like k s of u might have a lawsuit to file.
it's a little embarrassing that we're crowdsourcing this.
by the time the water damge subro claim is done, KSU will get jack squat for their uninsured loss
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i'm sure you're right. regardless, i have a hard time believing that this fire caused $50m in damages.
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
Construction worker on the roof accidentally started it
sounds like k s of u might have a lawsuit to file.
it's a little embarrassing that we're crowdsourcing this.
by the time the water damge subro claim is done, KSU will get jack squat for their uninsured loss
Such an elite insurance knowledge bomb, you are still at the top of your game.
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i'm sure you're right. regardless, i have a hard time believing that this fire caused $50m in damages.
I doubt the entire building and contents are worth $50million
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btw, did they ever figure out why there was a fire in the first place?
Construction worker on the roof accidentally started it
sounds like k s of u might have a lawsuit to file.
it's a little embarrassing that we're crowdsourcing this.
by the time the water damge subro claim is done, KSU will get jack squat for their uninsured loss
Such an elite insurance knowledge bomb, you are still at the top of your game.
truth
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I hope it works out but if the school put itself in a position that a physical fire in a single building can wipe out its records with no recovery, I'd fire everyone.
Agreed, if so, completely inexusible. Even they're concerned about personal information security in a cloud/hosted situation, they could have taken advantage of the geo-diversity right on campus and put back-ups in another building. I thought the new engineering addition was too contain a sizeable data center type environment, is that not where K-State's Super Cluster resides, now?
It is my understanding that there were 20 servers in that top floor, I don't know which departments have their own servers/data but I will find out more Friday. Also, pretty much all new technology purchases get funneled through those offices before being distributed out. So any new tech purchases that hadn't been given out after being tagged/inventoried etc. were a total loss.
So each individual office on the top floor had a server running or hosting a disparate platform/application? Please tell me I'm wrong.
My understanding is that all of the back of the house stuff (KSIS, payroll, email, KSOL etc.) was all run out of that top floor.
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i'm sure you're right. regardless, i have a hard time believing that this fire caused $50m in damages.
The rugby website that I partially built is down. If it isn't recovered, that alone is probably worth $10-12m
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The entire system for enrolling students is down right now. Do people not realize how bad this was?
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I'm not going to be able to believe that they don't have data backed up until they come out and say it. The rest is replaceable; it just takes a little time.
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I'm not going to be able to believe that they don't have data backed up until they come out and say it. The rest is replaceable; it just takes a little time.
I get that, but it's not really all the difficult to have systems in place where there's no down time at all.
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I'm not going to be able to believe that they don't have data backed up until they come out and say it. The rest is replaceable; it just takes a little time.
I get that, but it's not really all the difficult to have systems in place where there's no down time at all.
it’s where amazon makes all of their delicious money
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:rolleyes:
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is there a chance any of my bad grades from the distant past got wiped out?
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Feel free to follow along.
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$30 million in damage is the latest estimate (water and smoke damage throughout)
Enrollment system is still down. We have students showing up for enrollment Monday. Maybe just have them look through hanging files for classes in Ahearn?
Jobs getting posted? Yeah we can’t do that, system is still down. Payroll? KU helped run that so people got paid.
They are physically cleaning all of the servers trying to recover data and bring them back online. There is not a cloud system backup guys. Yes, I am serious.
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Meh
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So, no backups at all, or just no redundant locations where they could bring the backups online? Or, no on both? :facepalm:
This is an important distinction, because if it was “no” on both, then every person between IT leadership and Myers (and including Myers) should be fired with cause. I’d also sue Myers personally.
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Not having any physical redundancies in those systems is pretty inexcusable, especially if your primary is in a place with open public access.
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Everything is backed up. KU backs up all of K-State's stuff and vice-versa. Hence why they were able to do the payroll.
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$30 million in damage is the latest estimate (water and smoke damage throughout)
Enrollment system is still down. We have students showing up for enrollment Monday. Maybe just have them look through hanging files for classes in Ahearn?
Jobs getting posted? Yeah we can’t do that, system is still down. Payroll? KU helped run that so people got paid.
They are physically cleaning all of the servers trying to recover data and bring them back online. There is not a cloud system backup guys. Yes, I am serious.
Fake News - Source A-
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I'm trying to delete this.
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start a fire on your computer, I hear it works
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I have backed up the files, but KU will have to delete. Other than that everything normal
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
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Pretty sad ploy to drum up donations to the school, everyone involved should be ashamed.
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
No
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Pretty sad ploy to drum up donations to the school, everyone involved should be ashamed.
Money will be secretly used to keep the library open for more hours.
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
No
add a zero....
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
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easily. maybe not with a fat sweetheart deal to the GC, but for an honest, upstanding, industrious man like myself? piece of cake.
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I agree that universities do in fact spend a crap ton of money on libraries. I also agree that it very much appears that they spend way WAAAY more than they actually need to.
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hale is what I refer to as a “smoke and mirrors “ library. it was constructed of cheap materials and many, many, corners were skipped. the truth is that I could rebuild it at the previous build quality/grade or better for ~$26M which really makes you wonder where did the other $4M go?
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hale is what I refer to as a “smoke and mirrors “ library. it was constructed of cheap materials and many, many, corners were skipped. the truth is that I could rebuild it at the previous build quality/grade or better for ~$26M which really makes you wonder where did the other $4M go?
could there be a more crooked marriage than higher education and construction? unlikely!
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
:lol:
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
:lol:
^ either incompetent or crooked. could be both?
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
:lol:
^ either incompetent or crooked. could be both?
$30M wouldn’t cover MEP, much less the whole thing.
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
:lol:
^ either incompetent or crooked. could be both?
drugs?
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30m in damages just sounds so made up. i imagine they could demolish the building and rebuild it with 30m.
:lol:
^ either incompetent or crooked. could be both?
$30M wouldn’t cover MEP, much less the whole thing.
Is Hale a half million SF building?
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I did some really rough takeoffs yesterday, it’s about 400,000. Floor plans for all of KSU buildings are available on the KSU website, FYI
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I wouldn't pay a dollar more than $27m for Hale. Final offer, guys.
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So, you could build the whole thing for $60M (at a normal office building cost of $150/sqft) and we're supposed to believe that the fire damages are half of that total?
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I'd say leave the smoke damage and use the $30m to make it 50% bigger. Bam.
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i like how they are saying it’s $30M of smoke damage. ever wonder how the smoke damaged the building and the fire didn’t? how is this even possible? (hint: it’s not). me thinks that there’s something strange about the way that they are handling this and even more so when certain posters here defend their cost estimates. hmmm
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anyone else find it odd that Smoke Patterson hasn't made any official statement about this?
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I think the lack of heat damage is pretty odd. Seems like heat would cause some damage, too.
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smoke (which is air) damaged a library made of bricks. ok bill nye come explain this to me tia.
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what kind of damage does smoke cause? dark stains on the wall? hm okay, i'll run over to sherwin williams and grab some paint.
that'll be $30 million dollars please.
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hot air rises. wouldn’t that mean the smoke (hot air) would rise into the sky above the library? but it didn’t? yes this smoke has all sorts of magical properties, very mysterious indeed.
someone should have spent a few more hours working on this cover up
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Did not know that Hale Library was an artisanal library.
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what kind of damage does smoke cause? dark stains on the wall? hm okay, i'll run over to sherwin williams and grab some paint.
that'll be $30 million dollars please.
Depending on the type of sprinkler system installed, a lot of the time more damage is done from all the water. Gyp board walls don't do well when they get that wet, so the interior walls would all have to be replaced. Hopefully the structural members were properly fireproofed but if not, the heat from prolonged exposure to smoke and fire could compromise the structural integrity.
All that being said, I do think there are some shenanigans, boondoggles, and possibly even some tom foolery at play here.
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no doubt some boondoggles here, BAC.
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they didn’t fireproof vanier and i can guarantee you that they didn’t fireproof hale either #facts
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The fireproofing corner was clearly cut.
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Maybe the $30M includes waterproofing to 50 meter depth. ???
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Well gol-ly, a 27 million dollar library sounds good enough for little ol' kansas state :Carl:
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Hale's first floor has re-opened and is a site to behold as it is beautiful. :ksu:
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:worthless: