Post by: LickNeckey on April 27, 2018, 09:22:44 AM
I know this has been mentioned elsewhere but really deserves it's own thread.
who knows what the future will hold but some monumental first steps
Post by: Phil Titola on April 27, 2018, 09:25:00 AM
Post by: wetwillie on April 27, 2018, 12:06:21 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 27, 2018, 12:38:01 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 27, 2018, 12:40:49 PM
You should feel good
Absolutely
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Post by: The Big Train on April 27, 2018, 12:42:32 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 27, 2018, 12:44:23 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 27, 2018, 12:47:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2018, 12:49:23 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on April 27, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
Post by: Woogy on April 27, 2018, 01:30:34 PM
Def a good thing, but I am wary of some sort of stab in the back or KITN to come. But definitely promising to have them actually talking.
Long term play: Korean pressure to drawdown US troop presence. Clear path for NK incursion.
Post by: renocat on April 27, 2018, 03:00:48 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 27, 2018, 03:56:18 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/989721267728146432
Post by: star seed 7 on April 27, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 27, 2018, 04:15:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 27, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
Post by: treysolid on April 27, 2018, 04:25:30 PM
Def a good thing, but I am wary of some sort of stab in the back or KITN to come. But definitely promising to have them actually talking.
Long term play: Korean pressure to drawdown US troop presence. Clear path for NK incursion.
I was just thinking about this. If this is Kim's move, it's pretty smart. Persuade the south to kick out the 50,000-strong US military presence as part of the peace deal, demilitarize the DMZ, wait about 5-10 years while the south gets pretty sleepy and then you can march right in to Seoul with much lower resistance.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 27, 2018, 04:28:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 27, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Post by: treysolid on April 27, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
You guys live with a sad mumped up mind set that's pretty sad.
Si vis pacem, para bellum wacky.
Post by: sys on April 27, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
interesting twitter thread.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 27, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
I really appreciate how the long range vision for the U.S. military means total incapability to project power
Post by: Woogy on April 27, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
China's Xi guarantees order in the transition to separate but equal Koreas.
Price is US removal of US troops, except perhaps token observation force.
China achieves the latter day Asian "Sphere of Influence"
I don't see Japan allowing any increased US presence. There isn't much else for forward based forces.
Don't get me wrong, compared to an outright nuclear exchange, its the price we should pay. Its China's sandbox now. The real question will be which bed Japan eventually ends up in.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 27, 2018, 07:24:19 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 27, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/989895930727026689
interesting twitter thread.
Man, trump played these guys like a fiddle. AMAZE
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 27, 2018, 07:37:52 PM
I mean, there's a reason most these people top out as barista.
Post by: sys on April 28, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/it-was-the-best-of-trump-it-was-the-worst-of-trump/559166/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 29, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
Any thoughts on the article itself besides the usual superficial non thoughts?
Post by: sys on April 29, 2018, 03:50:53 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 29, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
Post by: The Big Train on April 29, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on April 30, 2018, 10:55:20 AM
I appreciate that there’s so much handwringing by the left about this.
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
you are the worst
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2018, 02:53:39 PM
I appreciate that there’s so much handwringing by the left about this.
It’s just a shame our previous president didn’t even follow his own advice as a Senator. Instead creating a climate that allowed NK to make massive leaps in ballistic missile technology and nuclear weapons technology.
Now the whole peace deal has to be because NK had a huge “accident” and/or because it’s just rope a dope by the NK’s on behalf of their great Chinese benefactor.
On the latter it is fascinating that the left which has historically lamented the hegemonic high tech power projecting capabilities of the United States. But, in this case it has to be to de-Americanize the Korean Peninsula rendering the great US Military Machine utterly impotent to stop the NK’s from marching right into Seoul.
Not to mention our SK allies and their predominantly US equipped (or derivatives there of) military will be completely helpless at even being able to get the conscript NK military to tap the brakes on their way to Seoul.
The US left; all movements towards peace are just fools errands unless we’re in charge.
you are the worst
An extremely fast tapout, even by your standards.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 30, 2018, 03:46:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 30, 2018, 03:47:50 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
It's awesome to see people want to see Trump have any wins so they rush on here to give him all the credit....yet have no idea what he did beyond insult Kim on Twitter. Lol.
Who said anything about a "win"?
It's awesome to see Libs so completely out of their minds that they now absolutely hate the prospect of peace . . . anywhere.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 30, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
I've not seen one person on here say the Korean peace process is a bad thing. Don't be a dumb.It's awesome to see people want to see Trump have any wins so they rush on here to give him all the credit....yet have no idea what he did beyond insult Kim on Twitter. Lol.
Who said anything about a "win"?
It's awesome to see Libs so completely out of their minds that they now absolutely hate the prospect of peace . . . anywhere.
Post by: Phil Titola on April 30, 2018, 04:12:12 PM
You're weird, Phil.I'll give djt all the credit I can once I hear what he did to make Korean great again.....only weirdness going on is the rush to give Trump credit without knowing any facts .
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 30, 2018, 04:18:45 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on April 30, 2018, 04:48:13 PM
The peace process is monumental and a wonderful development.
This is not hard.
Post by: sys on April 30, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
The peace process is monumental and a wonderful development.
there's not a ton of evidence to support that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 30, 2018, 09:29:13 PM
(https://cdn-01.independent.ie/world-news/article36850079.ece/6a44a/AUTOCROP/h342/ipanews_1e5fe59b-c439-4281-8900-753582b5be68_1)
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 30, 2018, 09:30:28 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 30, 2018, 09:53:26 PM
Trump pressured China, China pressured NK. End of story.
Case closed.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 30, 2018, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 30, 2018, 10:26:37 PM
Just wait until he gets iran to forfeit their nukes. The libs will be libsplaining at a frantic pace
Heh
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 30, 2018, 11:01:24 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
Post by: LickNeckey on May 01, 2018, 11:58:10 AM
To nobody's surprise, Iran lol'd at obamatard after signing the sham iran deal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
wrong thread
Post by: treysolid on May 01, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Just wait until he gets iran to forfeit their nukes. The libs will be libsplaining at a frantic pace
You can't forfeit what you don't have
Post by: bucket on May 01, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
To nobody's surprise, Iran lol'd at obamatard after signing the sham iran deal
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/30/netanyahu-set-to-reveal-dramatic-intelligence-about-iran-nuke-deal-report-says.html
Itan getting cucked will be amaze
https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/991042961940115456
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 01, 2018, 07:25:07 PM
Post by: bucket on May 01, 2018, 07:29:06 PM
Quote
Olli Heinonen, the former chief inspector of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said his department first saw the documentation that Netanyahu presented in 2005. The safeguards department that Heinonen ran came to the conclusion that the evidence of weapon design work known as the Amad project was credible, but that substantial work on the project ceased in 2003. Heinonen gave a classified briefing on Amad to the IAEA board in 2008.
After watching Netanyahu’s presentation, Heinonen said: “I just saw a lot of pictures I had seen before.”
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2018, 08:13:14 PM
How did Iran escape O’s axis of evil onslaught? Because of their substantial Theocratic leanings?
Will Trump be the first to seek regime change in a country controlled by Theocrats?
Can we really call Afghanistan regime change?
Hmm
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2018, 08:59:20 PM
Trump is a hell of a drug
Post by: treysolid on May 01, 2018, 09:19:24 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 06, 2018, 10:42:39 AM
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/north-korea-says-denuclearisation-pledge-not-result-of-us-led-sanctions/articleshow/64049601.cms
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 06, 2018, 10:44:07 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
What a complete ClusterFuck created by your hero.
Now libs lose their mind over the prospect of peace in Korea.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 06, 2018, 11:06:14 AM
Yeah man, case closed for sure.
so thirsty. I get it. Sucks to hitch your wagon to a scumbag.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
Just when you thought Libs couldn't possibly meltdown anymore, Phil pulls another tanker truck fulll of gas up to the fire and prepares to open the hose.
SMDH, sad.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 06, 2018, 11:12:10 AM
The prospect of peace in Korea, and the Trump Administration having a hand in the process has so enraged Phil that he now identifies and agrees with the North Korean government.
Just when you thought Libs couldn't possibly meltdown anymore, Phil pulls another tanker truck fulll of gas up to the fire and prepares to open the hose.
SMDH, sad.
I'm psyched for peach bub.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 06, 2018, 11:30:04 AM
The only ppl who are thirsty are the ones trying to discredit any legit success Trump has as president. So sad. :frown:Yeah man, case closed for sure.
so thirsty. I get it. Sucks to hitch your wagon to a scumbag.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 06, 2018, 01:02:08 PM
Well let's see Lib. Barrack preferred the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, he overthrew the secular leaning Libyan government and turned the country over to radical Islamist's. He tried to overthrow the secular leaning Assad regime in favor of . . . radical Islamist's (not a singular secular oriented entity fighting to overthrow the Assad regime according to the NYT's, and of course he gave both Russia and, wait for it, Iran a perfect reason to intervene on behalf of Assad). He lifted the sanctions off a Islamic Theocracy, and gave them billions of dollars in ransom money, and he didn't like Israel the last remaining Secular-Judaeo Christian democracy left in the Middle East.
What a complete ClusterFuck created by your hero.
Now libs lose their mind over the prospect of peace in Korea.
Yeah, but ISIS is JV
:lol:
Post by: star seed 7 on May 06, 2018, 03:20:21 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 06, 2018, 05:47:56 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 09, 2018, 10:07:26 PM
:billdance:
Post by: Institutional Control on May 10, 2018, 07:07:13 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 10, 2018, 09:38:40 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 10, 2018, 11:16:59 AM
like the choice of setting
if this really goes down give all of them nobel peace prizes
Post by: Brock Landers on May 10, 2018, 11:33:43 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 10, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 10, 2018, 10:13:44 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on May 15, 2018, 03:54:10 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 15, 2018, 05:07:35 PM
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2018, 09:33:16 PM
But Trump said North Korea agreed to denuclearization?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2018, 09:41:16 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2018, 09:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/996576704054181888
But Trump said North Korea agreed to denuclearization?
He definitely did
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 15, 2018, 09:49:32 PM
Post by: bucket on May 15, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
But they literally already nuked their nuclear program !!!
No, they dismantled a nuclear test site.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 15, 2018, 10:00:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 15, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 15, 2018, 10:07:45 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 15, 2018, 10:13:23 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2018, 05:02:20 AM
SMDH
Next up: Libs cheering for another mass shooting.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2018, 07:07:14 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-16/specter-of-qaddafi-haunts-north-korea-talks?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google
Another reason why it’s positively laughable to think that Iran was giving up its nuclear ambitions.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2018, 07:40:19 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 16, 2018, 07:46:00 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2018, 07:53:02 AM
I thought all that was left was to pass out the Nobel?
Everyone thinks so.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2018, 08:15:30 AM
But then again we are talking about people who openly cheer for “The Man” when they used to hate “The Man”.
SMDH-ProgLibs: The New (old) NeoCons
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2018, 08:24:19 AM
It's hard to keep track who libs are cheering for these days, a short list: Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, FBI, CIA, NSA and it's former leaders who led the largest domestic spying operation in US history and who spied on a presidential candidate, monetary ghoul billionaire George Soros who makes money on economic misery, and many more.Accurate
SMDH
Next up: Libs cheering for another mass shooting.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2018, 08:32:34 AM
It’s really sad when resident lefties just wont admit that their hero left behind some seriously mumped up stuff.
But then again we are talking about people who openly cheer for “The Man” when they used to hate “The Man”.
SMDH-ProgLibs: The New (old) NeoCons
This is seriously the weakest dax troll oat
I think defending trump's incompetence has finally broken dax :(
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2018, 08:35:07 AM
People forget, but dax was the original "start a new thread with a cryptic title and a single link from infowars and get zero replies" guy until reno took over.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 10:05:20 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on May 16, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
ultimately I think Trump knows he will be an international laughing stock if he does not get the NK commitment to denuclearization he previously reported. I am cheering for him to deliver
He'll just deny he ever said it.
Post by: LickNeckey on May 16, 2018, 10:09:20 AM
"In an earlier statement, North Korea criticized ongoing joint military exercises by the United States and South Korea, and said that was a reason to rethink the Trump-Kim summit."
Seems like Bolton and the military exercises have possibly served as provocation. Then again this may have always been the play.
That being said given the gravity of the situation why not postpone war games until after the talks given the sensitive nature of these exercises?
seems to be a tactical error
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on May 16, 2018, 10:22:13 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 16, 2018, 10:31:53 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2018, 10:55:51 AM
So let me get this straight: We can't inspect your military bases, we're going to give you billions of dollars (that you'll use to bolster your military and spread terror all over the Middle East), we're going to lift all sanctions, and you're going to accelerate your ballistic missile programs, and you're going to keep all your research towards the bomb that you've already done?
SIGN US UP!!
Oh wait, and you're not going to sign any documents, and our congressional body is not going to review or approve because, ah, it's not really a treaty. It's just kinda sorta gonna be a memorandum of understanding.
DON'T SIGN UP AND WE'LL STILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2018, 11:37:23 AM
Lovers of totalitarian anti-human rights governments, nuclear war, Iran, NK (but not russia :confused:), chemical warfare, ethnic cleansing, murder, and a us govt run by unelected officials.
What is wrong with these people???? At least they [sort of] are pretending not to harbor rapists any more.
Post by: LickNeckey on May 16, 2018, 11:50:50 AM
not sure how walking away from the Iran deal provides more stability
if the master negotiater can swing a better deal then sweet
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
still hope Korean peace is attained
not sure how walking away from the Iran deal provides more stability
if the master negotiater can swing a better deal then sweet
I operate on the assumption that Trump was NOT full of crap and lying when he stated a deal was reached to denuclearize and he will NOT get humiliated on a world stage.
Who is with me?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2018, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 12:53:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 01:09:23 PM
ultimately I think Trump knows he will be an international laughing stock if he does not get the NK commitment to denuclearization he previously reported. I am cheering for him to deliver
He'll just deny he ever said it.
Just read this thread. Several people demanded he be given credit for it
Post by: DQ12 on May 16, 2018, 01:34:52 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2018, 01:52:34 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 16, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
It's really troubling to see the libtards cheering on dictators of countries with state sanctioned murder of gays and rape of women. Just because hillary was humiliated by don.
there it is...
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
It's really troubling to see the libtards cheering on dictators of countries with state sanctioned murder of gays and rape of women. Just because hillary was humiliated by don.
Who is cheering on that little worm? I am cheering him on to get pwned by DJT
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2018, 09:46:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 16, 2018, 10:09:05 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2018, 10:38:11 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 17, 2018, 08:14:05 PM
Donald Trump has threatened Kim Jong-un with the same fate as Muammar Gaddafi if the North Korean leader “doesn’t make a deal” on his nuclear weapons programme.
The US president issued the threat at the White House when he was asked about the recent suggestion by his national security adviser, John Bolton, that the “Libyan model” be a template for dealing with North Korea at a summit between Trump and Kim planned for 12 June in Singapore.
The model Bolton was referring to was Gaddafi’s agreement in December 2003 to surrender his embryonic nuclear weapons programme, which included allowing his uranium centrifuges to be shipped out to the US.
But Trump appeared to be unaware of that agreement, and interpreted the “Libyan model” to mean the 2011 Nato intervention in Libya in support of an insurrection, which ultimately led to Gaddafi’s murder at the hands of rebels in Tripoli.
“The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don’t make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy,” Trump said, suggesting that the regime’s survival could be assured if Kim agreed to disarm.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/17/north-korea-trump-latest-warning-kim-jong-un-gaddafi
Post by: sys on May 18, 2018, 01:35:32 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 18, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 19, 2018, 06:11:25 PM
What's next? NK flags on the dinner napkins?????
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
Post by: sys on May 20, 2018, 06:33:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 20, 2018, 09:58:20 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 20, 2018, 10:22:58 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 21, 2018, 08:24:35 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 21, 2018, 08:59:33 AM
Try not to root too hard for NK, guys.Nobody is doing that
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 21, 2018, 09:00:30 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 09:14:06 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 21, 2018, 09:18:57 AM
You're glowing, phil.Only glowing is the lol'ing at you goofballs who day 1 assumed this was a done deal. Hell FSD had already filed away this win and was moving onto Iran ITT.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 21, 2018, 09:21:09 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 09:27:21 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 21, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 21, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
Post by: treysolid on May 21, 2018, 11:47:18 AM
I never thought libs losing in the election to a reality TV star would make them root against their country like this. Kinda sad. :frown: I'll root for us, guys. Don't you worry!
Everyone: "Oh no! Our campfire got a little too big and now all these dried leaves are starting to catch fire, and we've got to put it out quick!"
Group 1: "Ok, lets fill up this bucket with water, get on our trusty pegasus, fly over the fire and douse all the flames!"
Group 2: "Umm, that's not how reality works..."
Group 1: "WHY ARE YOU ROOTING FOR THE FOREST TO BURN DOWN?!?!?"
Post by: cfbandyman on May 21, 2018, 11:56:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 21, 2018, 11:58:16 AM
Remember, just a few days ago Libs had concocted this whack-a-doo scenario whereby this was a ploy by NK to get the U.S. to pull it's troops out of South Korea. Which in their world view, would thus render the United States completely impotent and incapable of assisting SK militarily on any conceivable level. Further, apparently in their view, SK despite having an extremely well equipped and capable military would be steam rolled by NK in 1950's human wave fashion.
Post by: treysolid on May 21, 2018, 12:42:54 PM
The hilarious thing is, people like Trey think there's an actual fire to put out.
Remember, just a few days ago Libs had concocted this whack-a-doo scenario whereby this was a ploy by NK to get the U.S. to pull it's troops out of South Korea. Which in their world view, would thus render the United States completely impotent and incapable of assisting SK militarily on any conceivable level. Further, apparently in their view, SK despite having an extremely well equipped and capable military would be steam rolled by NK in 1950's human wave fashion.
An actual fire? Jesus, dude, it's a metaphor that illustrates how stupid those "liberals are rooting against peace!" proclamations are.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 21, 2018, 01:14:16 PM
Wacky is really bad at this triggering thingLooks like it's working to me. :love:
Post by: sys on May 21, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Robert_E_Kelly/status/998422440165294081
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 02:41:56 PM
I trust my president
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
Smh at idiots who don’t know this thing is in books
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 21, 2018, 09:08:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 09:21:59 PM
This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Denuclearization as stated weeks ago is really the only thing that’s going to happen.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 21, 2018, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 21, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?Set your goals a little higher than Barak FSD...I mean we are dealing with a historic president here....he can surely do better than the worst president of all time.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 21, 2018, 10:05:39 PM
Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?
Which was Trump referring to when he claimed he had accomplished it?
Post by: Katpappy on May 21, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
I never thought libs losing in the election to a reality TV star would make them root against their country like this. Kinda sad. :frown: I'll root for us, guys. Don't you worry!
Everyone: "Oh no! Our campfire got a little too big and now all these dried leaves are starting to catch fire, and we've got to put it out quick!"
Group 1: "Ok, lets fill up this bucket with water, get on our trusty pegasus, fly over the fire and douse all the flames!"
Group 2: "Umm, that's not how reality works..."
Group 1: "WHY ARE YOU ROOTING FOR THE FOREST TO BURN DOWN?!?!?"
Late to the game but... :lol:
Post by: LickNeckey on May 21, 2018, 10:51:30 PM
This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Anything deal short of full denuclearization will make for interesting comparative analysys vs the Iran deal
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 02:30:27 AM
This summit is going to be something else. If trump doesn't walk away with an unconditional surrender from NK, the libtards are going to celebrate in the streets. If he gets any kind of concession it will be absolutely historic.
Anything deal short of full denuclearization will make for interesting comparative analysys vs the Iran deal
Is a deal, a deal if nobody signs any documents?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 02:37:49 AM
Like when Obama denuclearized the iranians and they kept making nukea or actual real denuclearization?Set your goals a little higher than Barak FSD...I mean we are dealing with a historic president here....he can surely do better than the worst president of all time.
I would agree. Once you peel back the abject insanity of it all, Obama was the worst foreign policy president in modern American history. But, one school of thought is, it was done on purpose.
Central American policy: Absolutely dreadful
Middle East: No American President sowed more unrest and upheaval. Which is astounding given the last 40 years.
China: What exactly did the “pivot” accomplish besides a more emboldened China than ever?
Russia: Disaster
Europe: He did a great job spying on them I suppose
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 07:55:11 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 08:18:31 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
The thread is the Korean peace process
Of which there was none under the previous administration, whose leader extolled direct talks with nations like NK as Senator. But then opted to just overthrow their governments or just piss them off as President. With notable exception Iran, which he paid off.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 08:39:51 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 09:17:25 AM
The thread is the Korean peace process
Of which there was none under the previous administration, whose leader extolled direct talks with nations like NK as Senator. But then opted to just overthrow their governments or just piss them off as President. With notable exception Iran, which he paid off.
Glad the current president has denuclearized NK, as promised.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 09:31:51 AM
Not a good look, Dug. But a typical look.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Dax taking off on his "secret muslim" theory again :love:
Who said anything about secret Muslim?
More like a CIA/PNAC on steroids lackey sowing perpetual US military presence in the Middle East.
Stay in the kiddie pool, Lib.
Post by: LickNeckey on May 22, 2018, 10:10:11 AM
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 10:34:45 AM
You’ve gone from complicity supporting a regime change president, to demanding Korean denuclearization be completed in months.
Not a good look, Dug. But a typical look.
You are getting dumber each day if you interpreted that. Like wack level
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 10:47:05 AM
if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 11:19:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 11:23:02 AM
if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
Post by: chum1 on May 22, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
https://twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/998960736662679552
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
You don’t have to have faith that Trump will deliver what was promised and not be humiliated. Doesn’t stop me from believing in him. Guess we can disagree on this one.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 11:33:16 AM
if he gets the nukes give him the coin
if he gets cucked give hime the scorn
pretty simple.
NK has long wanted to sit down with a sitting US President as "equals" for the optics.
Trump has agreed.
let the games begin!
This is literally my point that appears to be driving Dax to the brink of sanity. If you sit down with a fringe operator like NK and give them that credibility you’d better win. Winning is simply living up to the promise he made so pretty simple.
LOL. At the rate that they seemingly leaped in ICBM technology (which is a story unto itself) and the trajectory of their development path. There's 3 choices: 1. Let them keep right on going. 2. Negotiate 3. War.
Do nothing, and you've got China expanding dominance over the South China Sea, with little brother NK on the backside with ICBM's and Nukes.
You don’t have to have faith that Trump will deliver what was promised and not be humiliated. Doesn’t stop me from believing in him. Guess we can disagree on this one.
You're just bullshitting.
But I do appreciate the fact that Lib Hero Barry essentially led us into this scenario by doing nothing. I guess Kim just wasn't Barry's kind of dictator.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 11:54:08 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 01:08:47 PM
Welp, case closed, phil.Huh? Am I not supposed to believe Trump?
I'm just worried about the coin honestly.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 01:10:03 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 01:11:04 PM
Lock this thread up, fellas. Libs win. :cheers: Big day for them!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Post by: DQ12 on May 22, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
lol. How? I'm simply laughing at you guys saying Trump had nothing to do with the initial state of NK and SK coming together and NK shutting down nukes. Now i'm just enjoying you guys flip flop, drooling at this to fall through, and then to blame Trump for it. You can't make this crap up.
Nobody wants it to fall though. We all expected it to happen given his storied penache for making deals...if he was publically stating what he was, we all believed he got it done and we're ready to mint the Nobel for him....
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 22, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 22, 2018, 01:22:29 PM
Weird
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 02:16:23 PM
:rolleyes:I feel lied to. Doesn't feel good.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 02:47:08 PM
eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK as DJT previously unequivocally said there was already something of a denuclearization agreement in place. I can see NK not wanting to appear to have been dominated in this instance. Ultimately, I have faith our President can deliver on this promise and not be the one getting dominated on an International stage.
Post by: DQ12 on May 22, 2018, 02:50:32 PM
me too. our president is an excellent dealmaker. this is what we in the legal biz call "hardball."eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
me too. our president is an excellent dealmaker. this is what we in the legal biz call "hardball."eh. disappointing, but if DPRK is serious that strict denuclearization is off the table, then it may make sense to suspend talks and resume sanctions.
I hope that is just posturing by NK
Exactly. He may have leveraged himself when he announced that he had gotten them to agree to denuclearization because now he runs the risk of appearing weak and impotent if he fails to achieve that end - but I think there are still plenty of arrows in his quiver. NK's only bargaining chip is making Trump look small/limp where Trump has strong sanctions at his disposal.
I trust him
Post by: DQ12 on May 22, 2018, 02:56:51 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 03:57:10 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 04:01:54 PM
Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 22, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
So glad to hear that you believe they agreed to de-nuke. The pieces are really falling into place.
Post by: treysolid on May 22, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
lol wut?
Post by: Phil Titola on May 22, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 22, 2018, 04:35:22 PM
lol wut?Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
Time to pull an Obama since we now know they have no WMD's and seemingly want to cooperate on everything, and just go in take that dude out.
Didn't read the post I responded to, apparently.
Post by: bucket on May 22, 2018, 05:04:44 PM
But they literally already nuked their nuclear program !!!
Guys, per the libtards, NK already exploded its nuke program which is the real reason they agreed to de-nuke, it doesn't matter whether the say yes or no now. Trump didn't do anything. The entire summit is fake news.
:lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 22, 2018, 08:44:15 PM
:lol:
Post by: bucket on May 23, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
It would appear the tables have turned.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 23, 2018, 09:39:30 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 23, 2018, 09:41:15 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 23, 2018, 09:45:01 PM
Post by: treysolid on May 23, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 24, 2018, 06:20:05 AM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/999599105524498438?s=19
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 07:29:36 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 24, 2018, 08:49:51 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2018, 09:11:43 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2018, 09:47:57 AM
Have fun with this
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2018, 09:57:08 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 09:58:10 AM
'grats
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 24, 2018, 10:14:16 AM
https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/999660786145472517
Good luck with that.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 10:28:47 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 10:43:03 AM
DJT should not be scared of him like this.
'Grats Dug, up your holdings in the defense sector and buy Iodine tablets.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 11:03:26 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 24, 2018, 11:09:04 AM
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 11:13:19 AM
Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
Big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons.
Probably not going to have to worry about "Marching straight into Seoul" anymore, so another big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 11:18:04 AM
Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
he appears to be scared/petrified. I think a long weekend will help him get his courage back
Post by: sys on May 24, 2018, 12:41:49 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 24, 2018, 12:55:35 PM
We all lost today. How that is anybody's fault but Trump you'll have to provide more detail than your humorous name-calling.Trump pulled out? Why is he quitting on peace? How is dax laying this at anybody's feet but his?
Sad to see dax become a beaten wife willing to excuse Trump
Big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons.
Probably not going to have to worry about "Marching straight into Seoul" anymore, so another big win for the resident Neo(Lib)Cons
Post by: sys on May 24, 2018, 01:02:38 PM
We all lost today.
no we didn't. a farce was ended, that's good.
Post by: cfbandyman on May 24, 2018, 01:13:17 PM
We all lost today.
no we didn't. a farce was ended, that's good.
Just shocked I tell you. Really thought this had legs
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 24, 2018, 02:08:12 PM
If it's true, however, it would appear Trump got 3 hostages for nothing. Not a bad day's work.
Post by: Phil Titola on May 24, 2018, 02:23:14 PM
I for one think this is just another part of the pre fight ritual, and fully expect the drama to continue.Small price to pay for a little self depreciating leadership....just not like Trump to want to look like the fool...glad to see him grow as a leader.
If it's true, however, it would appear Trump got 3 hostages for nothing. Not a bad day's work.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 24, 2018, 05:08:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
So we get a lot of money and we don't have to sign anything?
(https://i.imgur.com/wGgCAGZ.gif)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 24, 2018, 10:26:51 PM
We have no nuclear ambitions but we're building better missiles and observing nuclear tests in NK.
But, "Great Deal".
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2018, 08:16:03 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2018, 08:18:36 AM
Well, it's going to be very sad and very disappointing I'm afraid.
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
Yeah. It's just too bad we can't go and inspect Iran to make sure they don't have nukes anymore.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 25, 2018, 08:56:06 AM
Well, it's going to be very sad and very disappointing I'm afraid.
Not to mention the sharing of information back and forth between NK-Iran on missile technology.
The last few NK launches were clearly systems that had huge (bad) potential, if that moves into Iran they'll be able to reach well into Europe and beyond.
Yeah. It's just too bad we can't go and inspect Iran to make sure they don't have nukes anymore.
Yes, the Blixian iron clad unsigned agreement is sure to reign in Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 25, 2018, 01:52:38 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on May 25, 2018, 01:58:12 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on May 25, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
I think it's simply too early to call this the most humiliating beat down of trump we've seen.Lot to choose from
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2018, 03:27:04 PM
I clearly predicted he just needed the weekend to get his nuts back. :Woot:
Post by: treysolid on May 26, 2018, 03:36:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2018, 03:44:50 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 26, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
Post by: bucket on May 26, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
We're back in business, guys!
Post by: wetwillie on May 26, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2018, 10:05:13 PM
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1000541538534019072
We're back in business, guys!
Who is the fat loser President now huh?! :nono:
Post by: Phil Titola on May 27, 2018, 01:07:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 27, 2018, 01:22:40 PM
Post by: bucket on May 27, 2018, 03:49:05 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
Post by: sys on May 27, 2018, 06:05:10 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1000831304836018176
meanwhile.
https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1000572802699812864
Post by: renocat on May 28, 2018, 03:04:38 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2018, 10:05:58 AM
So very very sad
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Old Trump will bamboozle Kim Young dung into an agreement. His walking was the best tactic to force things. Ocoward would have given the farm to NK. Hillary would have gone MilitantLibwoman and Kim would have nuked us.
F yeah Reno. He has already gotten him to de-nuke. I bet he squeezes him for some land or something sweet
Post by: LickNeckey on May 29, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
LIBS hanging on every word from social media.
So very very sad
it is how Alphas communicate directly with the people.
duh
Post by: star seed 7 on May 29, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on May 29, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 29, 2018, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 29, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Boo Peace!
Post by: waks on May 30, 2018, 03:03:34 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/389791-cia-finds-north-korea-wont-give-up-nuclear-weapons-couldThe blurb about McDonald's is bizzare
Post by: bucket on May 30, 2018, 08:50:21 AM
http://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/389791-cia-finds-north-korea-wont-give-up-nuclear-weapons-couldThe blurb about McDonald's is bizzare
No, it's a huge step towards peace.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 30, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
No-bel
No-bel
No-bel
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1002622553125523458
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2018, 02:17:58 PM
A real . . . pickle.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2018, 02:21:17 PM
The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
A real . . . pickle.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2018, 02:25:05 PM
The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
real . . . pickle.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
real . . . pickle.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 01, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
real . . . pickle.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
Approaching everything merely through the perception of who appears to be (metaphorically) winning, will never bring peace to our world.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 01, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
The way Trump goes off the cuff the prospect of war is just as possible....neither of these dudes wants to feel slighted....giving NK a sit down is a pretty big win for them...we need a big win on our side....go Trump!The internal fight between peace and Trump success is no doubt intense for the LibBot.How are we any closer to peace? Put away your boogeymen and give a real answer.
real . . . pickle.
Observation of real behavior be it verbal or written does not a boogeyman make.
But since you now apparently demand succinct clarity, I should have said "prospect of peace".
Approaching everything merely through the perception of who appears to be (metaphorically) winning, will never bring peace to our world.
Go Trump meant to get us peace goofball. Since he is you know the one going to the meeting.
Take a lap.
Post by: sys on June 03, 2018, 04:22:49 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2018, 12:59:59 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 03, 2018, 01:26:19 PM
Smdh
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 01:39:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 01:47:48 PM
Post by: bucket on June 03, 2018, 01:57:38 PM
Donald slam dunking on ‘stone so much is definitely something I definitely could have never forecasted. Just hope he doesn’t get worked like this in the court room.
Not a trumper :lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2018, 02:11:51 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 03, 2018, 02:37:46 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 03, 2018, 02:44:30 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 02:56:43 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 03:01:53 PM
I legit didn’t give a crap and get all over traumatic like your boy ‘stone did when Trump chose a different date to meet with NK. I also didn’t brag about Trump getting dunked on by nfl players, when it was Faulse. All ‘stone takes unfortunately. He also talks crap on Mrs. Wacky’s fam 24/7 when He leaches off his wives inheritance. Sad, but true.Donald slam dunking on ‘stone so much is definitely something I definitely could have never forecasted. Just hope he doesn’t get worked like this in the court room.
Not a trumper :lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2018, 03:09:47 PM
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Post by: bucket on June 03, 2018, 03:33:10 PM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on June 03, 2018, 07:30:37 PM
"over traumatic"
“Faulse” had a bigger impact on me personally.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 05, 2018, 04:17:26 PM
Post by: sys on June 05, 2018, 05:01:16 PM
Post by: bucket on June 06, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
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Post by: bucket on June 07, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
Post by: bucket on June 08, 2018, 08:29:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2018, 08:39:22 AM
Bucket hoping he fails is sad. :frown:You are very good at fighting boogeymen that don't exist.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 08:40:11 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2018, 08:41:48 AM
This won't age well.Didn't you just post in the trump/russia thread?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 08:42:46 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2018, 09:16:09 AM
I've been waiting for it to age over 2 years now, bud. Anyways, pretty cool and historic moment coming up. dgaf about how shitty our president is, this is pretty big.We don't believe your attempts to hedge wacky...we know you love Trump and his aproach to life...just own it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 09:18:22 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2018, 02:04:16 PM
I legit said from the beginning that the sole purpose of why I voted for him was for the economy. He's added jobs and i'm cashing big checks. Case closed.Bud, this economy would be happening either way at this point. What is different is stockholders of companies like bank stocks (and those companies themselves) are getting effin rich due to the taxbreak....that's not trickling down to the employees...wage increase % shows us that.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 08, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
I legit said from the beginning that the sole purpose of why I voted for him was for the economy. He's added jobs and i'm cashing big checks. Case closed.
You are fine with misogyny and racism as long as the economy is on your side. Got it.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 02:12:09 PM
So you're cool with Hillary and Bengazi then? Got it. You know how rough ridin' idiotic that sounds?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
Post by: bucket on June 08, 2018, 02:38:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 08, 2018, 02:41:33 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 08, 2018, 02:48:36 PM
Yeesh
Post by: Phil Titola on June 08, 2018, 03:41:55 PM
Is sub 2% quarterly GDP is growth is humming, then LibBot has a point.You are smarter than this.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 08, 2018, 03:50:26 PM
Is sub 2% quarterly GDP is growth is humming, then LibBot has a point.You are smarter than this.
7 plus % unemployment, just accept, it's the new normal.
Post by: bucket on June 09, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
Post by: sys on June 11, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2018, 10:47:15 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 11, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
Post by: bucket on June 11, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 11, 2018, 11:31:20 AM
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2018, 11:48:08 AM
I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 11, 2018, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2018, 12:25:07 PM
Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 11, 2018, 12:26:05 PM
You should send a bill to Barrack for all the time he lives in your brain.I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 11, 2018, 12:42:06 PM
You should send a bill to Barrack for all the time he lives in your brain.I only listen to the words coming from his mouth and what he said he got done. If we are giving this guy a public face to face with the leader of the Free world it's pretty small ask to make sure we aren't giving up that leverage for nothing.LibBot/SysBot rage about this just hit 11.If he doesn't deliver what he already said he got done (Korean denuke) then shouldn't we all be a little bit raged or you just giving him another free pass?
We've gone from zero to little interaction for decades to demanding an agreement tonight?
Interesting.
We've given up leverage? Interesting.
Everything I'm hearing is nothing short of complete de-nuclearization.
I get it though. Your guy got a noble peace prize for a speech and in the real world, didn't actually reduce nuclear weapons at all besides signing a meaningless MOU with Iran (who didn't have any nukes), all the while pumping $5.2 billion into their terror/defense coffers . . . then later in his tenure signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in the history of the free world. When you break it down, you gut duped and the Nobel committee got played, and that has be disappointing. So now, you're taking it out on Trump.
Not when we're still trying to clean up his messes.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 11, 2018, 12:45:24 PM
Yeah, kinda insane to root against the land of the free, but here we are. Praying this goes well for them so they feel better about losing to a reality star in the election. It’s legit making them insane.Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
Post by: chum1 on June 11, 2018, 02:37:10 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 11, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 11, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
:crossfingers:It's easy to confuse hoping with predicting I guess....don't let Trump talk you into another bogeyman to fight.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 11, 2018, 03:37:25 PM
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Just rooting for Kim like you guys. Let’s show this Cheeto!There is no rooting. Trump already told us the denuking has been agreed upon...
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 11, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1006346607112130561
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 11, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
Yeah, kinda insane to root against the land of the free, but here we are. Praying this goes well for them so they feel better about losing to a reality star in the election. It’s legit making them insane.Really hope nk wins this one for the libs :emawkid:
Which reminds me, need to add recession to the things that LibBots are now openly rooting for.
They have derailed and gone full J Edgar police state trying to find the boogeyman. Should have known this was coming when they started wearing women's clothing.
Post by: chum1 on June 11, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 11, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 11, 2018, 09:27:20 PM
https://twitter.com/JennyJohnsonHi5/status/1006346389775777797?s=19
Post by: wetwillie on June 11, 2018, 09:38:27 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 11, 2018, 09:55:28 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 11, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
Secretly I hope you all realize the gravity of this entire thing.
Enjoy your russian bought stanley cup
Post by: renocat on June 12, 2018, 02:47:33 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/12/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-comprehensive-document-vague-on-specific-details.html
Howlers going to howl because Trump treated KI'm respectfully and it appears human rights issues were not really addressed, each country sovereign with it determining what happens within their own borders.
G7 dudes you didn’t bring peace. OARROGANT you didn't bring peace. Manhater Hillary you didn’t bring peace. Screwy Bernie you didn't bring peace. Pelosi you didn't either. Maybe it's time for the Leftocrats to quit resistanting and trying to destroy Trump.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2018, 06:28:37 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 07:11:01 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffBlix/status/1006348023671263233?s=19
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 08:48:31 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 08:49:14 AM
you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.i'm not sure your cynicism has any more merit than naivete.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2018, 09:05:02 AM
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2018, 09:08:50 AM
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Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 09:24:03 AM
you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.i'm not sure your cynicism has any more merit than naivete.
give it time, you'll eventually figure it out.
Post by: DaBigTrain on June 12, 2018, 10:01:05 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2018, 11:03:38 AM
Accurate (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180612/4f6a8f3227672c71259fb9065e99213a.jpg)
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So true. They went from warning us trump would cause a nuclear war to wishing one would happen to save face.
Post by: ChiComCat on June 12, 2018, 11:09:27 AM
Post by: bucket on June 12, 2018, 11:23:25 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2018, 11:25:27 AM
Weird that the same people that said the Iran deal didn't do enough are celebrating a NK deal that does essentially nothing
Have the details of the deal been released? I was under the impression it was just a trump thumbs up at this point
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
Have the details of the deal been released? I was under the impression it was just a trump thumbs up at this point
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006446738016755712
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2018, 11:48:09 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on June 12, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
lol.Since you are versed in this history of this, help me understand why no other president has met with a Kim and Obama was vilified by RSM (Republican Stream Media) when he suggested meeting?
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
lol.Since you are versed in this history of this, help me understand why no other president has met with a Kim and Obama was vilified by RSM (Republican Stream Media) when he suggested meeting?
Libs- "Lol. The NK deal dropped through? lol. That's so trump."
also libs after history is made- "Lol. Nothing but a PR campaign. Nothing to see here." :love:
i'm the poster that said this is nothing but a pr campaign. when the deal was briefly cancelled, i said "good job, trump".
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
good job by trump, cancelling the meeting.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 12:23:23 PM
you can see why he wanted to do this thing. everyone knows it's nothing but a pr campaign, yet the everyone, from the jaded media down to naive little katkid, can not help themselves from fawning.
which policy or set of circumstances are we comparing this summit to?
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 12:54:52 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 12, 2018, 01:32:15 PM
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 01:34:46 PM
I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2018, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 02:05:58 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2018, 02:07:19 PM
Are these the same reporters fawning during the Olympics and said "Kim Jong Un's sister steals the show?"
Maybe if they also cover sports on NBC or something.
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2018, 02:09:05 PM
I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006609720394821634?s=21
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Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 02:09:12 PM
pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 02:10:06 PM
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1006613004715216897
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 02:11:27 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 02:12:02 PM
tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
I honestly didn't expect the summit to be this entertaining.
For a while, it was just KJU, Trump, and their interpreters in a room. No one outside of those four has a clue about what they said to each other.
:lol:
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 02:15:19 PM
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006610105289400320
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 02:20:01 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 02:21:16 PM
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1006609720394821634
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2018, 02:24:14 PM
I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
How dare you call into to question the likelihood their nevertrump fan fiction will come true. :shakesfist:
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 02:25:27 PM
i would think that any nukeless country already had plenty of incentive to get nukes.
Libya or Iraq is a way better example than N. Korea anyway.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 02:26:37 PM
pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
i did not think it was wise to insult and provoke kju. i think it would have been better to stop doing that rather than stop doing that and also stage summit theatre.
Post by: ChiComCat on June 12, 2018, 02:28:22 PM
I'm glad we opened a dialogue with NK.to be fair, if we get "absolutely nothing" out of this, then i doubt we give up the exercises.
It's laughable that the great deal-making president gave up war games for absolutely nothing. If dax was pissed at the Iran deal, I can't wait to see his outrage about a deal in which we received literally nothing in return.
How dare you call into to question the likelihood their nevertrump fan fiction will come true. :shakesfist:
Pence's press secretary is a strange source for nevertrump fan fic
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
north korea isn't going to denuclearize, but there's a chance trump can convince 'pubs they don't need to worry about north korea having nukes after all, which would be a significant accomplishment.
engaging with your strawmen is very nearly as tedious as engaging with wackycat's strawmen.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
i would think that any nukeless country already had plenty of incentive to get nukes.
Libya or Iraq is a way better example than N. Korea anyway.
for a while, we tried to pull the wool over all their eyes with talk of incentivizing desirable behavior. fortunately that sort of foolishness is in the past.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 02:45:43 PM
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.north korea isn't going to denuclearize, but there's a chance trump can convince 'pubs they don't need to worry about north korea having nukes after all, which would be a significant accomplishment.
engaging with your strawmen is very nearly as tedious as engaging with wackycat's strawmen.
I was referring to Tom Cotton who already wants to start a 3-4 front war against our enemies. you seemed to endorse his logic. I like that quote a lot better about not caring as much about a nuclear n korea?
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Post by: renocat on June 12, 2018, 03:05:33 PM
This article says Congressional Leftocrats are critical of Trump making peace; he gave up too much or didn't press on human rights or was too respectful of Kim.
Duuuur stupid bastards. He got the start of a deal to rid the world of nukes and take away the toys of a deminted fat boy. I say if he had to kiss Kim's butt to get a deal that is okay. Coolnothings Obama looked good, but did nothing but drive us closer to Nuclear war with NK.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 03:15:56 PM
tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
Better yet, get them to cease all pursuit of WMD's, have them actively fighting entities like Al Qaeda and then go in and overthrow their government leaving the country in ruins.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 12, 2018, 03:19:58 PM
pre-summit status quo? i'm not sure i understand your question.
You thought it was better when Trump was calling KJU names and there was seemingly legit talk about a first strike by the US?
Do you see us being more likely or less likely to be right back to that 6 months from now?
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 03:39:27 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006446738016755712
https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1006634916359090176
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 03:59:42 PM
tom cotton doesn't post here, which is where i must have gotten confused.
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tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
I get that I could be more clear, but you said that and then posted a big cotton quote. Sorry, I didn't remember the post from a month ago where you said something else.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 04:49:30 PM
tom cotton makes a strong argument, any nukeless country should start development asap.
https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1006522861627101184
maybe we can just start a pre-emptive war with every non-nuclear country to prevent them from getting nukes.
Better yet, get them to cease all pursuit of WMD's, have them actively fighting entities like Al Qaeda and then go in and overthrow their government leaving the country in ruins.
I agree Libya was bad.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 04:54:05 PM
i don't expect you to remember my previous posts. i do expect that if the two of us are engaged in a conversation, your arguments will be directed at what you think i am saying or what you think i think. if you want to address cotton's statement directly you could insert a little clarifier like "maybe cotton..."
Your quote made me think you agreed with tom cotton. the context of cotton's world view was what I was referencing (which you seemed to endorse?!). But I didn't re-read the whole thread or print out your posts and put a cork board together so I guess I missed the subtle point you were making that was different (maybe?).
Your posting on here is now largely inscrutable for me, but you are constantly getting mad when no I can't figure out wtf you are talking about. A good combo, very enjoyable for me.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
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Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1006651598360080389
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 06:04:15 PM
What does the most technologically advanced military in the world, with decades worth experience in war or preparation for war on the Korean Peninsula stand to gain by yet another drill during these times?
Nothing.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 06:12:33 PM
Why is it hard to understand that the concept of being "Libya'd" or "Iraq'd" or "Syria'd" by the United States and its partners is a very real thing?
What does the most technologically advanced military in the world, with decades worth experience in war or preparation for war on the Korean Peninsula stand to gain by yet another drill during these times?
Nothing.
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2018, 06:13:37 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 06:25:28 PM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 06:45:40 PM
You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 06:49:49 PM
You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
By using the term "Vastly Inferior" are you talking militarily?
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 06:50:05 PM
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1006660179281235968
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
In any way you want to take it. What a disappointment.You voted for the guy whose only claim was make good deals and he did this to you vs a vastly inferior country. For shame dax...for shame.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article212960759.html
There are at least a few rational ProgLibs.
What was Chuckie's stance on the utterly meaningless Iranian Nuclear unsigned MOU?
By using the term "Vastly Inferior" are you talking militarily?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 06:59:50 PM
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 07:04:42 PM
It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 07:10:52 PM
It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil. Which is sad. Unless of course it's a situation where your guy actually gets nothing and/or kicks the can down the road, all-the-while ensuring that a terror state is well funded. (not to mention producing no document that could actually be called a treaty or even gets presented for approval to the people's representatives).
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 12, 2018, 07:24:25 PM
Just so everyone is on the same page, trump had absolutely nothing to do with thisGold!
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Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 07:32:48 PM
It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else,"
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 12, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
Sadly, the era of "no engagement and/or facilitation" (aka Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama) only allowed NK to develop more nuclear weapons, more powerful nuclear weapons, more missiles and eventually intercontinental ballistic missiles. The last of which they were firing all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies.
But judging by your bent, you would have preferred war, which would have killed tens of thousands of people.
Not a good look, Phil.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 12, 2018, 07:59:22 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
I'm bent because the dealmaker went to Asia and got taken by lil rocket man. It's one thing I hoped Trump could do...make deals. All he has shown is to make a mess of deals we have and legatimize NK and not get anything in return. Farce.So not for legitimizing NK. Great to hear. Hard to pull that out of you.It's quite clear you don't understand U.S. history of the last 30-40 years relative to these situations. Anything less than the eventual total collapse of the NK regime either under the weight of it's own (insert whatever you want here) with some solids pushes from the U.S./West or via U.S./U.S. partner military power would be a first.You are very good bbsr with your ability to rehash the same 5 things ad naseum and completely ignore news of the day .....great job. Very insightful.
It appears you would prefer the latter, Phil. Sad, but not surprising from the New NeoCons.
Your guy completely caved on a meaningless MOU which paid out in plane loads of cash, and the thing didn't even get signed.
Your recent responses are nonsense.
I'm trying to think of one situation since WWII that the U.S. entered into negotiations with another country, and the other side of the table was superior to the United States economically and militarily and I cannot think of one.
But it sounds like you want diplomacy at the tip of a Nuclear Warhead, Phil.
“I will have a military that’s so strong and powerful, and so respected, we’re not gonna have to nukeanybody (how many billions of dollars did the military budget increase? Sadly)
"As part of our defense, we must modernize and rebuild our nuclear arsenal, hopefully never having to use it, but making it so strong and so powerful that it will deter any acts of aggression by any other nation or anyone else," (the problem here friend, is that your guy already signed off on the most expensive nuclear modernization program the world has ever seen).
You voted for the guy who wants to be unpredictable with nukes and rebuild them....and now is giving an audience to a reclusive dictator committing horrible things to his own people....and gave up war games...but didn't have time for the other stuff. Lol, dax....lol (fascinating considering your guy legitimized 2 brutal regimes: One in Tehran, and another in Havana. One of which now has troops on the border of the only secular non-Muslim ally the United States has left in the Middle East).
Maybe you'll get a free stay in the new Trump North Korea resort for your efforts.
Sadly, the era of "no engagement and/or facilitation" (aka Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama) only allowed NK to develop more nuclear weapons, more powerful nuclear weapons, more missiles and eventually intercontinental ballistic missiles. The last of which they were firing all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies.
But judging by your bent, you would have preferred war, which would have killed tens of thousands of people.
Not a good look, Phil.
War is your thing...that's pretty obv
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 08:29:34 PM
I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.
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By the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 08:34:14 PM
Pardon my curtness, but so what?I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.QuoteBy the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 08:46:34 PM
Pardon my curtness, but so what?I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.QuoteBy the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
:ck:
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 12, 2018, 08:49:23 PM
Pardon my curtness, but so what?I'm not sure what "legitimizing" NK means. Like, the Kim dynasty has been ruling for 70 years. They're pretty legitimate regardless of whether Trump meets with them.QuoteBy the fact of a meeting with the American president for the first time, in full view of a media blitz and the world public, Kim Jong-un will have legitimized North Korea (also known as the DPRK) internationally, something no North Korean leader has achieved since 1950. If Kim gets nothing else from such a meeting, that is already a huge achievement for the leader of the world’s most isolated, repressive, and sanctioned state.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/03/12/understanding-the-big-downsides-and-potential-benefits-of-the-proposed-trump-kim-meeting/
The previous strategy led us to the brink of nuclear war and kept SK in a state of perpetual paranoia. Maybe it was time to have a talk.
I agree... But...
I think most people are apprehensive that the person representing the US in that talk is a blow hard moron that has no idea what he's doing.
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)
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Published 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016:dunno:
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
I agree... But...Sure - me too. But that's a separate issue.
I think most people are apprehensive that the person representing the US in that talk is a blow hard moron that has no idea what he's doing.
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 09:01:09 PM
https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)QuotePublished 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016:dunno:
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
It's hard for me to imagine someone else (e.g. Obama or Clinton) changing policy types in the last year or so.
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
Maybe you're right and they wouldn't have changed policy type after Kim made actual legitimate nuclear threats and had the capability of carrying out those threats, but it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.https://twitter.com/mikehfuchs/status/1006518879034757120https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/28/north-korea-united-states-relations/87659264/)QuotePublished 12:00 p.m. ET July 28, 2016:dunno:
PYONGYANG, North Korea — North Korea’s top diplomat for U.S. affairs told The Associated Press on Thursday that Washington “crossed the red line” and effectively declared war by putting leader Kim Jong Un on its list of sanctioned individuals, and said a vicious showdown could erupt if the U.S. and South Korea hold annual war games as planned next month.
DPRK has always been shouting rhetoric at the US and "declaring war." The difference over the last year or so is that they were actually (or at least on their way to becoming) a viable nuclear threat.
It's hard for me to imagine someone else (e.g. Obama or Clinton) changing policy types in the last year or so.
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2018, 09:06:55 PM
it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.
Independent of their true motives? Just curious.
Post by: wetwillie on June 12, 2018, 09:15:26 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 12, 2018, 09:17:26 PM
I mean the thread got super serious but can we talk about ‘The Beast’?! Holy crap that whole thing is amaze balls.It's weird you'd let any non friendly within spitting distance of it
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 09:17:47 PM
I don't know what you mean.it comforts me to believe that anyone elected president would consider changing the policy under those circumstances.
Independent of their true motives? Just curious.
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: sys on June 12, 2018, 10:11:42 PM
I am kind of concerned that the MSNBC line that Trump is "weak on dictators" will just mean that all the usual neo-con/nat sec crap heads will just find a new permanent home in the Democratic party in perpetuity.
born on pax americana and thinks he hit a triple.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2018, 10:34:30 PM
Post by: treysolid on June 12, 2018, 10:37:21 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 12, 2018, 10:39:41 PM
i'm sorry, but we've NEVER been "close to the brink of nuclear war" with NK. what a laughable idea.
That was the libtard rhetoric like 6 months ago. Nobody said it was true (except the libtard)
Post by: DQ12 on June 12, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
i'm sorry, but we've NEVER been "close to the brink of nuclear war" with NK. what a laughable idea.No? My memory of the January news cycle must be fading...
Nope, it appears to be pretty spot on:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/25/doomsday-clock-ticks-closer-midnight/1064911001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/01/25/doomsday-clock-ticks-closer-midnight/1064911001/)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/joe-biden-believes-u-s-is-closer-than-ever-to-nuclear-war (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/joe-biden-believes-u-s-is-closer-than-ever-to-nuclear-war)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-pressure-north-korea-20180116-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-us-pressure-north-korea-20180116-story.html)
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/politics/north-korea-trump-mullen-graham/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/politics/north-korea-trump-mullen-graham/index.html)
Regardless, if we weren't at the brink of nuclear war (despite NK ostensibly having the means to send a nuclear bomb to the US) then what do we care if north korea has nukes in the first place? How much closer should we have gotten before we pumped the breaks and began a dialogue that legitimizes North Korea?
The bottom line is that the old way (isolate DPRK because they weren't a legitimate nuclear threat) was untenable after DPRK developed nuclear capabilities, imo.
Post by: Phil Titola on June 13, 2018, 07:13:07 AM
It typically takes the libtard 24-48 hours to get it's talking points in a row as to way a great american succes isn't good at all, so I'm impressed by their ability to get this one dobe in about 18 hours. I especially like the reliance on NK state run propoganda to support their insane talking points, that was a fab touch.That was Trump's video.
Post by: chum1 on June 13, 2018, 08:47:42 AM
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1006892351262941186
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 13, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 08:59:17 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 13, 2018, 09:08:24 AM
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 09:14:11 AM
According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.Why wouldn't that be true?
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 09:25:18 AM
I mean, maybe people think Trump is actually doing something here because they just don't understand that everything he's ever done in his life is based on fraud. :dunno:
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1006892351262941186
yup, saletan has it exactly right. i'd quibble with your characterization, though, chum1. trump is achieving exactly what hopes.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 13, 2018, 09:27:49 AM
What Frum should be discussing is how the era of non engagement/appeasement which spanned decades prior to Trump yielded a ICBM capable NK and on the road to a deliverable ICBM warhead capable NK.
The LibBot take is :lol: in the context that we and our allies quite literally placed our collective military's on alert because NK missiles were flying in their general direction.
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 09:30:21 AM
According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.Why wouldn't that be true?
if you don't assume that trump is lying at almost all times, you might think it wouldn't be true since trump said we aren't.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 13, 2018, 09:33:02 AM
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 13, 2018, 09:39:13 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 13, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
One day it's "NK troops will be marching straight into Seoul", the next day it's "it's a Trump Con Job" from LibBot Nation.Given Trump says both sides of every single topic not sure that's possible...but boogeymen aren't going to fight themselves.
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 13, 2018, 09:47:31 AM
One day it's "NK troops will be marching straight into Seoul", the next day it's "it's a Trump Con Job" from LibBot Nation.Given Trump says both sides of every single topic not sure that's possible...but boogeymen aren't going to fight themselves.
Yes, these are indeed fantastic times.
The most fantastic thing about this, is the restraint. They way in which NK conducted their test launches could easily have been considered an act of war. LibBots simply only want one thing, whatever is Anti-Trump.
I was simply paraphrasing the rantings of LibBot nation.
Again, the refusal of LibBot nation to recognize the abject failure of the previous 8 years prior to Trump to deal with the NK nuclear situation is deafening in tone, and massive in scope. But in the context of the giant F- that was Obama's foreign policy, not surprising.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 13, 2018, 09:48:02 AM
It's AMAZE to behold
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.According to North Korea media, Trump agreed to lift sanctions. I honestly don't know if they are lying or not.Why wouldn't that be true?
if you don't assume that trump is lying at almost all times, you might think it wouldn't be true since trump said we aren't.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 13, 2018, 09:57:15 AM
Remember the libtard whining about the "party of no".
It's AMAZE to behold
The list of people/entities/things that Libs now agree with/are complicit with is astounding when compared to the backdrop of History. They're quite literally all over the map, and frankly, maniacal at this juncture. All because Hillary didn't win.
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 10:22:45 AM
I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.
i also assume that trump made non-public assurances on the subject of sanctions and other concessions. however; i don't think that is typical of how international aggreements work.
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 10:37:57 AM
:dunno:I would expect that we agreed to lift some sanctions conditioned on counter obligations (i.e. denuclearization) on the part of NK. I think that's how most international agreements work.
i also assume that trump made non-public assurances on the subject of sanctions and other concessions. however; i don't think that is typical of how international aggreements work.
Post by: wetwillie on June 13, 2018, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 13, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
Does this fall into treaty territory or some loophole that doesn’t require congressional approval
Congressional approval for what? Apparently we either signed a paper promising to stop war exercises or with both parties promising nothing.
Post by: wetwillie on June 13, 2018, 10:59:07 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 13, 2018, 11:09:07 AM
The Iran deal was a “political commitment” I guess this falls under the same weird category.Hopefully Trump doesn't take same approach.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 13, 2018, 11:44:39 AM
The Iran deal was a “political commitment” I guess this falls under the same weird category.Hopefully Trump doesn't take same approach.
Great post and heard a montage of of pundits after the worthless Iranian Nuclear, non-signed MOU. Universally lauded as an unparralled piece of diplomacy . . . before they were aware of the $5.2 billion plus in cash, of course.
Post by: Kat Kid on June 13, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Does this fall into treaty territory or some loophole that doesn’t require congressional approval
Presidents can sign treatys, they need 2/3rds approval from the Senate to be ratified. There are lots of treaties the US is signatory to but can't get ratified like Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, Paris, Banning Landmines. But the President has pretty wide powers to withdraw from treaties. George W. Bush got lots of criticism for withdrawing from the ABM to try and build a missile defense system, but I am pretty sure he was able to do it without congressional approval and the ABM was ratified.
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 12:58:34 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 13, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
If you want to see the whole context/transcript.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 13, 2018, 01:51:11 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 01:59:45 PM
That makes him look even worseI honestly couldn't tell which question he was pissed about. I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 02:02:48 PM
I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
the journalists may have thought the public would desire more details because complete does not encompass those two terms.
Post by: DQ12 on June 13, 2018, 02:08:58 PM
I dunno, man. I just posted the transcript because I think his bizarre "insulting" remark was referring to a different question than what was posted in the tweet.I think he was pissed that they kept referring to "irreversible" and "verifiable" not being in the document when he already said that "complete" encompassed those two terms.
the journalists may have thought the public would desire more details because complete does not encompass those two terms.
I think it's weird too.
But I do have a lot more faith in Pompeo than I do Trump.
Post by: sys on June 13, 2018, 02:14:42 PM
I do have a lot more faith in Pompeo than I do Trump.
pompeo is an ambitious man.
Post by: steve dave on June 13, 2018, 02:43:16 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on June 13, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/404926289569939456Somebody is adding these after the fact, right?
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 07:36:54 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCMonitoring/status/1007152848847634433
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 07:42:46 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Post by: Phil Titola on June 14, 2018, 07:54:41 AM
I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 08:03:49 AM
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Post by: treysolid on June 14, 2018, 08:39:44 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on June 14, 2018, 08:46:28 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 14, 2018, 09:38:24 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 14, 2018, 09:50:50 AM
So the parents of U.S. soldiers killed in the Korean War asked Trump to get the remains of their sons home....
that's what he said
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 10:15:40 AM
So the parents of U.S. soldiers killed in the Korean War asked Trump to get the remains of their sons home....
imagine the impact a 120 year old women hobbling up to you and asking for her son's remains to be returned home to her. of course he was going to get this thing done.
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 10:21:49 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 14, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Yah in the grand scheme of trump effups in 500 days....that one ranks right down there at the bottom.I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Foxnews :curse:
Can you imagine the fawning from literally every new source if b.o. had negotiated complete denuke with NK????
#libtards
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 14, 2018, 11:04:30 AM
Post by: steve dave on June 14, 2018, 11:24:08 AM
Trump saluting shows that he views KJU as his commanding officer
lol at KJU's face
https://twitter.com/JasonIsbell/status/1007275243587670016
Post by: ChiComCat on June 14, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
Yah in the grand scheme of trump effups in 500 days....that one ranks right down there at the bottom.I mean, I don't GAF who he or anyone else salutes. it's a meaningless gesture and he's obviously a confused old man. however, it's very fun to think about the reaction this would have gotten had Obama been this big of a buffoon and done the same thing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/20/trump-shakes-hands-with-saudi-leader-doesnt-bow-as-obama-appeared-to-do.html
Foxnews :curse:
Can you imagine the fawning from literally every new source if b.o. had negotiated complete denuke with NK????
#libtards
Did Trump denuke NK?
Post by: sys on June 14, 2018, 12:13:02 PM
https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/
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Post by: sys on June 15, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
we will invade canada within the year.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 15, 2018, 12:20:08 PM
1980's NK . . . no real WMD delivery option besides artillery (no ability to make warheads small enough), short range rockets (no technology to make a nuclear warhead small enough), gravity bombs (no technology to make a nuclear gravity bomb small enough for their 1980's air force to carry)
2018 NK . . . on the cusp of both ICBM capability and developing payload deliverable warheads (thanks to 20 years of appeasement, placation and non engagement)
Please keep posting the idiocy SysBot.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 03:36:40 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 18, 2018, 12:11:23 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 18, 2018, 12:47:53 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 18, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 18, 2018, 01:33:27 PM
Post by: sys on June 20, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
Post by: sys on June 26, 2018, 09:48:42 PM
Post by: sys on June 29, 2018, 05:37:55 PM
Post by: bucket on June 29, 2018, 05:41:45 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 29, 2018, 05:52:28 PM
LibBots touted an unsigned meaningless memorandum of understanding (bought for $5.2 billion) with a terrorist state with a deplorable human rights record as: Historic
LibBots (and I know you guys hate history) were filled with joy at this sight. A nation that repeatedly violated nearly every provision of the SALT treaties and with an appalling human rights record
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Post by: bucket on June 29, 2018, 05:53:10 PM
Post by: steve dave on June 29, 2018, 05:54:27 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1012822744935927808
these are so easy to win
Post by: Phil Titola on June 29, 2018, 06:18:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2018, 06:19:55 PM
Post by: sys on July 01, 2018, 12:07:36 PM
Post by: bucket on July 01, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2018, 01:42:56 PM
He’s been around long enough to know that things like this are often photo shoots. Khrushchev traveling around the US (for example) kissing babies on farms in Iowa changed nothing about the US-Soviet dynamic and hundreds of thousands of people died anyway in the “domino wars”.
Thankfully there is no war on the Korean Peninsula, and hopefully some good will come from this.
Thanks for posting SysBot (but without comment as usual).
Haters of history respond below.
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Post by: chum1 on July 01, 2018, 08:46:40 PM
Post by: bucket on July 01, 2018, 08:53:05 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 11:41:03 AM
Post by: waks on July 06, 2018, 11:44:21 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2018, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.Ty! :clap:
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 12:36:44 PM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 12:44:34 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 12:45:40 PM
i don't believe we can have a democracy where voters do not accept reality and i'm not willing to abandon trump voters as incapable of returning to some semi-coherent understanding of the world.
lol ok. good luck with all that.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:06:03 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
lol ok. good luck with all that.
there's no alternative.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 01:09:02 PM
lol ok. good luck with all that.
there's no alternative.
sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
Post by: catastrophe on July 06, 2018, 01:14:46 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 06, 2018, 01:19:59 PM
Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
Post by: chum1 on July 06, 2018, 01:21:55 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:28:03 PM
Democrats are doing the same thing with Bernie and that new socialist that just got voted in.Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 01:32:05 PM
sure there is. start talking to and getting to vote people that currently don't vote. it is a much bigger slice of the population and they are actually persuadable.
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 06, 2018, 01:33:10 PM
Democrats are doing the same thing with Bernie and that new socialist that just got voted in.Nothing has changed politically between the two parties. Both sides believe and hear what they want to better for their agenda. Sys acting like this is new, is stunning, but here we are. Just the fact that we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace is huge. Stop trying to fact check your way to finding holes in this.
Nothing has changed except for the republicans adopting a different agenda to match Trump's campaign rhetoric.
I think it might be in their best interest to do that, but claiming that the party platform has changed to match the platform of a 28 year old who hasn't technically won her general election yet seems a bit premature. Also, her platform doesn't really have huge departures from the existing democratic platform. At least nothing like the republicans moving away from free trade.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:36:51 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 01:38:15 PM
I think we all new crap was going to get stirred up with this monster, but he's still done some good, and I just hate that most libs are so enraged, they can't even acknowledge some of it. "Thanks Obama, they still have nukes tho, etc." It's just embarrassing.
Republicans definitely always told Obama good job when he did something good.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:39:54 PM
Post by: CHONGS on July 06, 2018, 01:41:38 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:43:45 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 06, 2018, 01:45:23 PM
we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
google.com
Post by: ChiComCat on July 06, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
we had a US President on NK soil making an effort for peace
When did this happen?
Its chingon's proof that sys can't win
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:49:36 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2018, 01:52:32 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 01:54:19 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 06, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
In less than 10 min Wacky went from complaining about stereotyping and entire political side to stereotyping an entire political side. Incredible.
I know, he's slowing down. Usually does it in the same post.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 02:00:21 PM
Post by: 8manpick on July 06, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
That's what you guys got out of all of that. The intolerable left. Sad.Intolerable :D
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
i'm saying they are fairly similar to voters in %s that are pro-trump and pro-reality. if you're talking about electoral strategy in 2018 and 2020, then i completely agree that dems should focus on turning out dem leaning non-voters and pubs should focus on turning out pub leaning non-voters.
i'm talking about for the next 5, 10, 20 and 50 years there is no alternative to having a large majority of the citizenry that agree on basic facts.
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
sys you should study wackycat. He's almost a lab created amalgam of a trump voter. Convince him of anything...
he's a weathervane. a month after trump is out of office, wcat will claim he never believed any of trump's crap. a month after that he'll believe his claim.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 03:49:56 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 03:50:05 PM
That's what you guys got out of all of that. The intolerable left. Sad.Intolerable :D
so much for the tolerant right.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
or what.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Post by: CHONGS on July 06, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Exactlysys you should study wackycat. He's almost a lab created amalgam of a trump voter. Convince him of anything...
he's a weathervane. a month after trump is out of office, wcat will claim he never believed any of trump's crap. a month after that he'll believe his claim.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 03:58:26 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 06, 2018, 03:58:30 PM
I think we all new crap was going to get stirred up with this monster, but he's still done some good, and I just hate that most libs are so enraged, they can't even acknowledge some of it. "Thanks Obama, they still have nukes tho, etc." It's just embarrassing.
:D
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
there's no real reason to assume they differ dramatically from the population of voters, except for being somewhat less informed.
what are you saying here? you think people that don't vote are as persuadable as Republican partisans?
i'm saying they are fairly similar to voters in %s that are pro-trump and pro-reality. if you're talking about electoral strategy in 2018 and 2020, then i completely agree that dems should focus on turning out dem leaning non-voters and pubs should focus on turning out pub leaning non-voters.
i'm talking about for the next 5, 10, 20 and 50 years there is no alternative to having a large majority of the citizenry that agree on basic facts.
The only way to achieve that is to talk to people that aren’t yet engaged or involved, it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
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Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 05:17:08 PM
it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
trump has done it.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 06, 2018, 07:08:49 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 06, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
it is absolutely impossible to convince partisans.
trump has done it.
No he didn't. Look you don't have to buy in to Political Science to know that Trump was not convincing "democratic partisans." I'm not trying to do a 'No true Scotsmen' argument here, we are talking about the 30-35% that belong to one of our two parties. Do you want proof of concept? IT WAS LITERALLY HILLARY'S STRATEGY AND IT FAILED MISERABLY!
Post by: bucket on July 06, 2018, 07:36:28 PM
lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 06, 2018, 07:42:17 PM
Post by: sys on July 06, 2018, 08:43:32 PM
trump has done it.
No he didn't. Look you don't have to buy in to Political Science to know that Trump was not convincing "democratic partisans." I'm not trying to do a 'No true Scotsmen' argument here, we are talking about the 30-35% that belong to one of our two parties. Do you want proof of concept? IT WAS LITERALLY HILLARY'S STRATEGY AND IT FAILED MISERABLY!
you're mixing apples and oranges. i'm not saying republicans need to be convinced to become democrats or to agree with democratic policy. i'm saying they need to be convinced to return to a common culture where large majorities of both republicans and democrats agree on basic facts even if they disagree on policy.
trump (with a fair amount of help) effected a similar shift - but in the opposite direction. as well as shifting their thoughts on a broad spectrum of policy while retaining the republican identity.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 08:48:37 PM
lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 06, 2018, 09:21:07 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 09:26:55 PM
I know you’re new to this board and don’t get “it”, but if you ruffle a few libtarded feathers like chings (mod),they try to make an example out of you on their low traffic board. Lucky for you, you’ve chosen the follower crowd and ppl will just gloss over your incoherent shitty posts. Congrats!lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
#SafeSpaceQuoteA place for Wacky to safely discuss what he wants, with who he wants, and how he wants.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
I know you’re new to this board and don’t get “it”, but if you ruffle a few libtarded feathers like chings (mod),they try to make an example out of you on their low traffic board. Lucky for you, you’ve chosen the follower crowd and ppl will just gloss over your incoherent shitty posts. Congrats!lol. You have no idea how I really believe.
You have your own board. :lol:
#SafeSpaceQuoteA place for Wacky to safely discuss what he wants, with who he wants, and how he wants.
Some may gloss over them but you seem to be especially triggered by some of them. Yikes.
Post by: gatoveintisiet on July 06, 2018, 09:36:41 PM
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Post by: gatoveintisiet on July 06, 2018, 09:53:41 PM
I kinda wish you identified as a ‘crat to be honest.
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I really dgaf what you think to be honest.
Most people would stop right there I think. If you want more and more attention I guess that’s when you just continue explaining why, in another 500 words.
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Post by: waks on July 06, 2018, 10:45:51 PM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.Oh, I'm definitely not rooting against a peace deal. I was very optimistic (and stunned) when it appeared Trump might actually be getting something done. Unfortunately, my suspicions were correct and nothing positive came of the summit. I am mostly just curious to hear from the people that fell for Trump's b.s. hook, line and sinker (again).
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Until you can come up with a decent post other than eff Trump, no one will ever take you seriously.
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Link to when I said that? Until you back up claims with actual facts nobody can take you seriously, but hey, you and Trump are alike in that respect.
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Post by: bucket on July 06, 2018, 11:28:02 PM
At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 11:29:28 PM
At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?Ppl are working again, bud. I know you thought you could get away with it by being A lazy POS with a smoke in your hand, but he’s legit trying to help out the fake whiners too
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?Ppl are working again, bud. I know you thought you could get away with it by being A lazy POS with a smoke in your hand, but he’s legit trying to help out the fake whiners too
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At what costs though Wacks, at what costs?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 06, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
Weed making an appearance again. Wacky is THE trump voter, exactly.???? huge illegal stoner
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Post by: star seed 7 on July 06, 2018, 11:46:10 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 06, 2018, 11:47:02 PM
Hypocrite!
I smoked weed one time in college and thought I was going to die after it. This guy has balls imo. Heroin is for the pro's.
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Hypocrites need to be an example of bud. These rooks suck hot ass.
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lol wut?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2018, 12:02:22 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2018, 12:28:55 AM
:Wha:Proven weed dealer trying to convince himself things are fine. Jfc, what a rough ridin' mess.
Hypocrite!I smoked weed one time in college and thought I was going to die after it. This guy has balls imo. Heroin is for the pro's.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 07, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
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Post by: Katpappy on July 07, 2018, 12:50:39 AM
Run some of these basic facts that we should all mutually agree on that we don’t right now by me.Trump is an idiot; but a better choice than Hill-Dog. Even Whack-Job agrees. :gocho:
Post by: Spracne on July 07, 2018, 12:57:06 AM
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Post by: Katpappy on July 07, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
#TeamWacks 'til I die, motherfuckers.:impatient: :cheers:
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Post by: chum1 on July 07, 2018, 10:25:44 AM
Isn't there value in repeatedly confirming to ourselves that he is the dumbass we thought he was? Like in testing a scientific theory?
Simply verifying what we thought we knew about NK could also be helpful.
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1015583992626597888
Post by: Phil Titola on July 07, 2018, 10:41:07 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 07, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
#TeamWacks 'til I die, motherfuckers.:gocho: :cheers:
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Post by: bucket on July 07, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
Ok, the longheld belief was engaging with North Korea without them making concessions beforehand was not worth doing. Let's say we're beyond that stage and that we should work to improve relations to deter a nuclear attack. Why not just come out and say that as opposed to coming out and saying they are denuclearizing in a year which appears to be another bald faced lie. Does saying they're going to denuclearize when they have no intention to do so help with the original belief that improving relations will deter an attack? I don't believe anyone is rooting against a peace deal. Instead, much of the criticism has to do with the fact that they have no intention to denuclearize despite the fact that the current administration says otherwise.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2018, 11:10:52 AM
I’d be willing to be a Trumper lab rat, let’s see if I can be convinced of something
Mexico will pay for the wall
Post by: Kat Kid on July 07, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
I'm no dax supporter, but it is genuinely weird to see people rooting against a Korean peace deal/de-escalation so they can make the already obvious to everyone who cares point that Trump is an incompetent moron.
i'm not rooting against a korean peace deal. i'm rooting for other people to understand that there is no possibility of a peace deal to exist within the framework announced.
as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Well, North Korea is definitely going to have nukes and it is definitely in our interest to forge an agreement that both provides peace and security to the Korean peninsula that doesn't involve us having an enormous military presence on hair trigger there and de-escalating the rhetoric (that, yes, Trump himself recklessly escalated) and avoiding a war.
Ok, the longheld belief was engaging with North Korea without them making concessions beforehand was not worth doing. Let's say we're beyond that stage and that we should work to improve relations to deter a nuclear attack. Why not just come out and say that as opposed to coming out and saying they are denuclearizing in a year which appears to be another bald faced lie. Does saying they're going to denuclearize when they have no intention to do so help with the original belief that improving relations will deter an attack? I don't believe anyone is rooting against a peace deal. Instead, much of the criticism has to do with the fact that they have no intention to denuclearize despite the fact that the current administration says otherwise.
The longstanding IR/Nat Sec realm conventional wisdom about how we were somehow going to isolate and "delegitimize" North Korea in to giving up their nuclear program was always a fantasy. Bolton and the neocon's hard power theories are horrifying, but saying you are going to invade to stop proliferation at least has a logic to it. The alternative is negotiating a deal with a country before they have a nuclear deterrent like in Iran.
Fast forward to-- now that North Korea has nuclear deterrence, why would they ever give it up?
We are now, of course, playing a stupid PR game on the surface level because Trump's brain is made out of tapioca pudding. But South Korea has a lot of interest in pursuing a more meaningful peace with the North and pursuing a new strategy. So far, they seem to be appreciative of the engagement by the US and seem to believe that progress is possible.
The path forward is figuring out what price North Korea can extract and what South Korea and the US can live with. An official end to the Korean War, normalization of relations between the North and South in exchange for some trust building timeline of actions by each party (easing of sanctions by the US, fewer troops on the peninsula, North Korea allows some sort of oversight of their arsenal or a more permanent testing halt) is the best case scenario in my mind. There are obviously lots of other bad options, but that is the best hope and not something that should be taken lightly.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 07, 2018, 12:00:56 PM
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as i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
Post by: bucket on July 07, 2018, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 07, 2018, 12:21:07 PM
I think the path forward you've described is acceptable. However, criticism is warranted based on the handling of it by the current administration.
It was absolute madness when Trump was challenging KJU on twitter and openly discussing starting a war.
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Post by: DaBigTrain on July 07, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
I think the path forward you've described is acceptable. However, criticism is warranted based on the handling of it by the current administration.
It was absolute madness when Trump was challenging KJU on twitter and openly discussing starting a war.
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Not madness. A very well planned out strategy by a true academic.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 07, 2018, 01:17:34 PM
I’d be willing to be a Trumper lab rat, let’s see if I can be convinced of something
Mexico will pay for the wall
not convinced
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 07, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
Tariffs are good for the economy
negotiating process that ends ultimately with truly fair trade is good for the economy
But you already know that partiStone
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 07, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 07, 2018, 11:27:10 PM
Look how easy it was
You don’t get it :frown:
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Post by: sys on July 08, 2018, 01:57:09 PM
Also, like Trump is a dishonest bad person, but stuff like this still boggles my mind.Quoteas i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
kk, your post is absolutely ridiculous. first you enter into some sort of daxian whataboutism instead of making a legitimate argument ("maybe we should just ask the bombed cambodians what they think of meeting with north korea, eh?"). as you certainly know, the entire premise of your argument is flawed. all of those things can be bad (i have no desire to debate each individually) and yet have no bearing on the morality or efficacy of trump's action.
then you betray that, once again, you completely miss the point of the discussion. each example you mention is of some foreign policy initiative that was pursued by the responsible parties because they felt, whether correctly or not, that it furthered american interests. deception, to the extent that it occurred, was involved in concealing the action from the public. trump's action is different in kind. he engaged in foreign policy as theatre. the primary intent was to manipulate domestic public opinion.
the deception is not incidental to the policy action, it is the policy action.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 08, 2018, 02:50:50 PM
Also, like Trump is a dishonest bad person, but stuff like this still boggles my mind.Quoteas i've already mentioned, i think there is a chance that trump can work his magic on 'pub minds and spin them into accepting then north korea is going to have nukes and there is nothing we can do about it. i won't give him any credit for that, because process matters and if he does achieve that, he will have done so using a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy - but it will still be a slightly positive outcome.
Henry Kissinger? Iran-Contra? School of the Americas? CIA black sites? Abu Gharib? Obama NSA? Obama drone program?
I have no doubt Trump will be revealed to have been up to some heinous crap, but "a fundamentally dishonest process that is damaging to our democracy" is just astounding.
The guy gave a signed CD of Elton John's Rocket Man to KJU! He is a lying moron all the time!
He isn't some Machiavellian operator, he's just a bored old guy that wants to watch TV and golf and yell about stuff that is bothering him.
kk, your post is absolutely ridiculous. first you enter into some sort of daxian whataboutism instead of making a legitimate argument ("maybe we should just ask the bombed cambodians what they think of meeting with north korea, eh?"). as you certainly know, the entire premise of your argument is flawed. all of those things can be bad (i have no desire to debate each individually) and yet have no bearing on the morality or efficacy of trump's action.
then you betray that, once again, you completely miss the point of the discussion. each example you mention is of some foreign policy initiative that was pursued by the responsible parties because they felt, whether correctly or not, that it furthered american interests. deception, to the extent that it occurred, was involved in concealing the action from the public. trump's action is different in kind. he engaged in foreign policy as theatre. the primary intent was to manipulate domestic public opinion.
the deception is not incidental to the policy action, it is the policy action.
I resent being compared to Dax, but your rhetoric about this “damaging our democracy” deserves context. You never even bothered to explain how it damages our democracy, you seem to just say because it is dishonest. To which I reply, so is almost everything Trump says! He is a bullshit artist with a rotting brain.
I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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Post by: sys on July 08, 2018, 03:06:04 PM
I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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i don't agree that trump is an idiot bull in a china shop. he's a narcissist and that pathology sometimes causes him to do things against his interest, but in general he acts rationally to further his interests. the link below is a good summary of the north korea talks. nixon sabotaging the peace talks prior to the election is a good comparison, bombing cambodia isn't.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/trumps-deal-with-kim-jong-un-is-a-con-job-and-youre-the-mark.html
Post by: Kat Kid on July 08, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
I haven’t heard your actual theory- he thought this was a wag the dog for domestic purposes only move? some very complicated Machiavellian 4D chess?
Trump is a rough ridin' imbecile who just says and does things. Decoding his intentions is a game that his advisors mostly fail at, but apparently you have cracked the code. If you think this core dishonesty has damaged American democracy, I would be happy to discuss that but this a common action (and not a particularly egregious example) not some unique action.
So for this foreign policy as theatre theory—
I don’t understand the distinction between squashing the Paris talks or concealing the bombing of Cambodia with this summit. Maybe there is some nuance that I am missing there, but those actions were expressly to manipulate public opinion.
Feel free to explain.
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i don't agree that trump is an idiot bull in a china shop. he's a narcissist and that pathology sometimes causes him to do things against his interest, but in general he acts rationally to further his interests. the link below is a good summary of the north korea talks. nixon sabotaging the peace talks prior to the election is a good comparison, bombing cambodia isn't.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/trumps-deal-with-kim-jong-un-is-a-con-job-and-youre-the-mark.html
What if you can are narcissistic and an idiot? I still don't understand how this is somehow damaging to democracy beyond the whole Trump thing. Again, all I've said about this thing from the beginning is that when Trump says things like "30 million could've died" and that he saved us from it. He's a little more than half right. He obviously would've had a large share of the blame for that unthinkable catastrophe, but because the tail risk of Trump doing something cataclysmic is so significant, how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
Further, Saletan seems to offer up some Nat Sec/IR conventional wisdom masquerading as "art of the deal" talk. How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective? He doesn't even so much as mention this other than to say that Trump said that other presidents wouldn't meet with Kim and then Trump's standard bravado. But this is self-evidently true. Obama and Bush would've never met with Kim. The comparison is on what changes in the relationship.
He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this. It would probably be very interesting to know what they think of this considering they share a border and ostensibly have the most to "lose" in all of this. The reporting that I have seen is that South Korea is very interested in easing tensions and supported the summit. Why this is never talked about is odd to say the least.
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 09:32:32 AM
how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
what makes you think future conflict is less likely now than it was in 2016?
How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective?
i think we both agree that nk disarming itself is not a realistic goal. as such, it makes no sense for either of us to judge past policy by that standard. by more realistic standards, it is virtually impossible to judge past strategy as either effective or ineffective - because we'd have to posit some counterfactual as a basis of comparison. on the positive side it took nk an extraordinarily long time to develop a functional nuclear device, they haven't attacked sk and have been largely isolated from the external world and we still maintain a strategic presence on the korean peninsula. on the negative side, their regime hasn't collapsed or liberalized or reunited with sk, they still pose a military threat to sk and more recently show evidence of having functional nuclear devices to threaten farther afield. and of course their citizenry has been opressed for well over half a century. it's very easy to imagine scenarios both much worse and much better than how things have actually turned out, but i don't think either of us are in any position to evaluate the likelihood of alternate scenarios if us policy had been other than it was.
He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this.
the us and sk do not have completely convergent interests.
and just to reiterate - all of this is interesting to discuss, but it is irrelevant to the point that trump's aim was principally, if not wholly, to impact domestic opinion. that is the fundamental dishonesty. that's why i said in my original post, that you took issue with, that while it might end up generating positive results, i would not credit those results because the process was dishonest.
and i don't think it's likely that the impact will be positive, btw. trump took the accumulated leverage generated by past policy and he spent it on a photo op.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2018, 09:46:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 09, 2018, 10:47:28 AM
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 10:57:00 AM
https://twitter.com/duyeonkim/status/1015641655611985920
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 12:02:22 PM
how can you not view these peace talks as positive?
what makes you think future conflict is less likely now than it was in 2016?How can we view the strategies of previous presidents as anything other than wholly ineffective?
i think we both agree that nk disarming itself is not a realistic goal. as such, it makes no sense for either of us to judge past policy by that standard. by more realistic standards, it is virtually impossible to judge past strategy as either effective or ineffective - because we'd have to posit some counterfactual as a basis of comparison. on the positive side it took nk an extraordinarily long time to develop a functional nuclear device, they haven't attacked sk and have been largely isolated from the external world and we still maintain a strategic presence on the korean peninsula. on the negative side, their regime hasn't collapsed or liberalized or reunited with sk, they still pose a military threat to sk and more recently show evidence of having functional nuclear devices to threaten farther afield. and of course their citizenry has been opressed for well over half a century. it's very easy to imagine scenarios both much worse and much better than how things have actually turned out, but i don't think either of us are in any position to evaluate the likelihood of alternate scenarios if us policy had been other than it was.He also completely neglects to mention South Korea in all of this.
the us and sk do not have completely convergent interests.
and just to reiterate - all of this is interesting to discuss, but it is irrelevant to the point that trump's aim was principally, if not wholly, to impact domestic opinion. that is the fundamental dishonesty. that's why i said in my original post, that you took issue with, that while it might end up generating positive results, i would not credit those results because the process was dishonest.
and i don't think it's likely that the impact will be positive, btw. trump took the accumulated leverage generated by past policy and he spent it on a photo op.
This is getting exhausting and we are just dropping arguments left and right.
1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 12:21:29 PM
1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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1. i don't think your argument is crazy. i do think it is unsupported by evidence (to some extent, by necessity, it is an unknowable).
2. of course your hypothetical engagement is counterfactual. good grief, kk, that's definitional. you appear to be arguing that confrontational foreign policy (sanctions, etc) is, in and of itself, a bad thing? sorry, that's not a belief to which i ascribe, to argue that it is detrimental, i need to see evidence of actual detriment.
3. well, i don't intend to argue that his lying in general is non-detrimental, and i certainly don't believe that it's rational to believe that because he is an inveterate liar his n+1 lie can produce no harm beyond lies 1 through n. however, i do think it is fair to distinguish between elaborate actions taken to deceive and deception which is simple mischaracterization of fact.
4. sanctions.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
1) I think that this engagement has reduced the likelihood compared to the “Axis of Evil” rhetoric. A presidential summit seems less likely to be a precursor to nuclear war than the rhetoric during Bush or even Obama. Call me crazy. I also said, it is an improvement from when Trump and Kim were threatening nuclear war against each other (obviously Trump’s fault)
2) if all the rhetoric and “isolation” of North Korea was just theatre and was never going to accomplish its stated aims then how is that not self-evidently worse than engagement? You don’t have to engage in a counter factual because we agree that the underlying purpose was inevitably doomed, but what about all the collateral damage? The cost of “playing hardball” when everyone knows it is pointless. The IR people claim that it is all part of this non-proliferation deterrent effect when we isolate North Korea. But let’s look at what lesson someone would learn. Iraq, Libya, North Korea what is the difference? What is the lesson hat will be learned by Iran? How is any of this less damaging or important than some sort of collateral effect on our own democracy because Trump is a liar?
3) Whig brings us to, how is this lie somehow worthy of any distinction between Trumps other lies?
4) Lastly, what rough ridin' leverage do you think we have over North Korea? LOL. How could Trump squander something that we don’t have?
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1. i don't think your argument is crazy. i do think it is unsupported by evidence (to some extent, by necessity, it is an unknowable).
2. of course your hypothetical engagement is counterfactual. good grief, kk, that's definitional. you appear to be arguing that confrontational foreign policy (sanctions, etc) is, in and of itself, a bad thing? sorry, that's not a belief to which i ascribe, to argue that it is detrimental, i need to see evidence of actual detriment.
3. well, i don't intend to argue that his lying in general is non-detrimental, and i certainly don't believe that it's rational to believe that because he is an inveterate liar his n+1 lie can produce no harm beyond lies 1 through n. however, i do think it is fair to distinguish between elaborate actions taken to deceive and deception which is simple mischaracterization of fact.
4. sanctions.
1 & 2) yeah this was unclear. I was trying to explain that I think it is extremely unfair for you to look at what actually happened (sanctions, tough rhetoric etc.) and the result (NK went nuclear) and then say that it is essentially unknowable as to what would've happened if we had pursued a different strategy because NK was going to get the bomb no matter what so let's move on and not examine this further. Even if we grant your premise, What did all of that accomplish then? How can you stack up all of that history and say that it was good? This is what I was saying, I was granting your premise and not even bothering to argue that it was certain or more than likely that we could've prevented NK from getting the bomb with a different strategy (though I would argue this seems at least possible).
2) I don't think I am categorically against sanctions, but please feel free to provide some examples where sanctions have been successful. Iraq? Iran? NK? Palestine? What is the success story? Is being able to cast the dictator refusing to play ball with the US as a monster while their people starve and die of preventable disease because of the sanctions the true victory?
3) ok, but this is like picking out a rain drop from a puddle and examining it to see if it might be particularly wet.
4) what have the sanctions accomplished?
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 01:43:17 PM
1&2. i agree that it is possible. i also think it is possible it could have turned out much worse.
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
I think all of that is pretty reasonable. But I still don't know what "leverage" we had over North Korea. Kim clearly does not care at all that his people are starving.
Post by: DQ12 on July 09, 2018, 02:17:52 PM
Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?1&2. i agree that it is possible. i also think it is possible it could have turned out much worse.
2. certainly iran. to some extent russia. as per 1&2, it is pretty hard to establish a clear narrative as you must posit a counterfactual. i don't think they are some gigantic lever by which to move the world, but i also don't think it's accurate to dismiss them as wholly ineffectual.
3. eh, most of his lies aren't the story for a solid two weeks and a prominant feature in the news for months. by volume alone, this is more consequential.
4. they generated leverage that trump exchanged for a photo op.
I think all of that is pretty reasonable. But I still don't know what "leverage" we had over North Korea. Kim clearly does not care at all that his people are starving.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
Senator Barrack Obama advocated direct talks with the Axis of Evil.
President Barrack Obama advocated:
1. Overthrow or attempt to overthrow of the Axis of Evil
and/or
2. Ignoring members of the Axis of Evil while they solidified their nuclear and WMD delivery ambitions
and/or
3. Paying one of the worst actors billions of dollars to at most postpone their Nuclear ambitions for awhile (while they spread their influence across the Middle East and no sit on the border of the only secular Democracy that remains in the Middle East) . . . while said actor strengthens their WMD delivery systems capabilities.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 03:00:58 PM
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 03:21:27 PM
Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?
there's the idea that sanctions can increase internal pressure on a regime such that they reform or are overthrown. an idea that, i admit, is largely unsupported by empirical evidence. and even if it might work somewhere, nk would be a very poor candidate for such a possibility.
more relevant - you exchange the release of sanctions for some tangible concession. trump got nothing.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 03:23:57 PM
dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
The axis of evil was 3 countries. You had 3 sub points. Re-read my post about you never just saying what the eff you are talking about.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 03:46:29 PM
dax. sometimes I get accused of being unclear, but that is your SOP.
Obama tried to overthrow Iraq?
I also don't understand how you have managed to convince yourself that the Iran deal was one of the worst things in the world but this engagement with NK is good.
I didn't say Iraq, but who were the next on the list, KK?
An unsigned memorandum of understanding paid for with pallets of cash is not a good agreement.
The axis of evil was 3 countries. You had 3 sub points. Re-read my post about you never just saying what the eff you are talking about.
I don't think I could have been any more clear. It's also not the least bit speculative to include multiple other countries under the umbrella of the "Axis of Evil". Everyone with a clue knows that the list extended beyond just 3 countries.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 04:30:05 PM
He could not have been more clear
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 04:47:49 PM
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 04:50:00 PM
I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 09, 2018, 04:54:10 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
You can't trick me in to reading some waybackmachine version of Bill Kristol's original PNAC geocities page dax.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 04:59:35 PM
I view the Axis of Evil as the list of countries where regime change was needed as (reportedly) espoused by PNAC.
I then place it into the context of PNAC on Steroids, which was the Obama Administration aka destabilization and overthrow without a calming remnant aka bad guys don't look at explosions. See also Libya. See also Syria (and Egypt, thankfully that was thwarted)
If you want to talk about the literal "Axis of Evil" then the Obama administrations handling of NK couldn't have been more disastrous. Which is why we are in the position we're in today. They're very near a capable ICBM, and likely near a deliverable warhead.
Do you make up new, personal meanings for words and phrases regularly? This could explain a lot.
You need to broaden your horizons and look at the origins of the Axis of Evil and who were the personalities behind that phraseology.
You can't trick me in to reading some waybackmachine version of Bill Kristol's original PNAC geocities page dax.
When you start floating around Axis of Evil, which was coined in a speech on 1/29/2002, you've already crossed the proverbial wayback machine Rubicon KK . . . sorry (not sorry), friend.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 09, 2018, 05:04:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Come on Dax! Your typical references are like Chappaquiddick, Paula Jones, or Harry Truman election fraud.
Paula Jones?
I only bring Harry Truman election fraud when LibBots like you start spewing forth stuff like, "well there's been no wide scale recording . . . "
Post by: DQ12 on July 09, 2018, 05:39:16 PM
What kind of tangible concession? I promise i'm being intentionally obtuse here. I'm just trying to think of ways you could get a tangible concession when you're dealing with a notoriously unreliable negotiator.Right. Assuming the sanctions were producing leverage, how would you expect to see any benefit produced by the leverage outside of some kind of negotiation between the states?
there's the idea that sanctions can increase internal pressure on a regime such that they reform or are overthrown. an idea that, i admit, is largely unsupported by empirical evidence. and even if it might work somewhere, nk would be a very poor candidate for such a possibility.
more relevant - you exchange the release of sanctions for some tangible concession. trump got nothing.
Post by: CHONGS on July 09, 2018, 06:06:49 PM
:Keke:
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 08:40:41 PM
Maybe you could get him to stop some war games in your back yard that you don't like.
that'd be good one. any step towards full or partial denuclearization or sharing of info that would assist in verification would also be worth consideration. if we still gave a crap about human rights and the such we could even consider steps that would reduce human rights violations or opened their society.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 09, 2018, 09:03:59 PM
Post by: sys on July 09, 2018, 09:05:08 PM
He could not have been more clear
i do sincerely believe that this is the best he can do.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 10, 2018, 06:37:57 AM
Because of the failure of the previous president to heed his own very public criticisms (and advice to) of the Bush administration. NK was quite literally left to its own devices with only ankle biting sanctions in place. (Relative to the economic status quo of NK).
During that time both NK’s ICBM development and nuclear development accelerated dramatically. To the point that the incoming president and US allies in the region were faced with the very frightening reality of NK missiles flying over their head and larger and more powerful (and growing increasingly capable from a delivery perspective). NK nuclear weapons being tested.
All criticism from the US political left of the Trumps administrations negotiations with NK should be immediately laughed straight out of the room with extreme prejudice.
Your guy had 8 years to address the issue and he failed so completely it will be chiseled into the voluminous stone of his overall failure as head of state for our nation.
Post by: sys on July 12, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2018, 11:34:41 AM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 12, 2018, 12:50:22 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 12, 2018, 12:52:15 PM
Who needs negotiations when war is available. (New NeoCons).Negotiations? Way to move the goal post....we were clearly told many times this was agreed upon.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2018, 12:54:06 PM
Who needs negotiations when war is available. (New NeoCons).
Said no one itt
Post by: ChiComCat on July 12, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 12, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2018, 01:42:54 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 12, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 13, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
I find these kinds of lies so much more egregious and damaging because they are so straightforwardly dishonest and they just dare anyone to contradict how blatantly dishonest the statements are and nothing much happens or changes.
https://twitter.com/StephGrisham45/status/1017777230926270470
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-roll-eyes-asked-presidents-shocking-interview/story?id=56560919 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-roll-eyes-asked-presidents-shocking-interview/story?id=56560919)
Post by: sys on July 13, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 13, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on July 13, 2018, 02:32:58 PM
Post by: sys on July 13, 2018, 02:56:54 PM
Post by: wetwillie on July 13, 2018, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 13, 2018, 05:50:53 PM
It's very refreshing.
We'll cross the lying and theatrics Rubicon when we hear about dodging sniper fire in some far off land. Or that Rubicon might be stepping into a predominately African American church and sounding like he's channeling his inner Bishop TD Jakes.
Look forward to the ceremonial pushing of the "reset" button with Putin.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 13, 2018, 06:53:40 PM
Post by: chum1 on July 15, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1018501923333435392
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2018, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: chum1 on July 19, 2018, 08:58:47 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2018, 09:05:22 AM
Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 09:26:46 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 19, 2018, 10:00:12 AM
But using the W era complaints as our guide. The NewNeo Con is now using a pro aggression entity as their next new bell cow.
The New NeoCon is doubling and tripling down and really accelerating the NeoCon cause.
Post by: sys on July 19, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1020138426413338624
Post by: sys on July 20, 2018, 08:12:57 PM
Post by: sys on July 21, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 21, 2018, 07:37:13 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2018, 06:54:29 PM
Post by: sys on July 30, 2018, 08:58:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 31, 2018, 10:05:50 AM
Peace sucks.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 10:50:38 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 11:01:05 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 11:04:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 11:07:02 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 11:19:37 AM
I guess in non-fantasy world he is both which kind of sucks.
Non-fantasy world is he got 2 handed dunked on. Thanks for snapping me back to reality. :cheers:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 31, 2018, 11:26:15 AM
On a topic like NK when he gave legitimacy to NK by meeting them while promising to Americans that he had an agreement to de-nuke was a risk. publically lying about it while not being able to deliver makes him look either lying or stupid/impotent. I had hoped it was neither.
I guess in non-fantasy world he is both which kind of sucks.
Non-fantasy world is he got 2 handed dunked on. Thanks for snapping me back to reality. :cheers:
Your guy never met a thug he didn’t embrace with 2 noted exceptions. Never heard you guys say a word. Weird. If only Trump had taken Kim to pound domestics at a Nats game.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
It was a rude awakening but I am better for having my eyes opened.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 31, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
Post by: chum1 on July 31, 2018, 01:36:52 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 01:38:37 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 01:39:03 PM
He also freed up some Americans in the process. :love:
It was well done, that is his biggest accomplishment.
Post by: LickNeckey on July 31, 2018, 04:09:57 PM
Someone feckless is lacking in feck. And what, you may ask, is feck? Feck is a Scots term that means "effect" or "majority" and comes from an alteration of the Middle English effect. So something without feck is without effect, or ineffective.
Post by: Phil Titola on July 31, 2018, 04:26:24 PM
You guys are giddy AF! :love:Nobody is happy bud.... We just wish you all weren't mindless lemmings that came on here claiming "mission accomplished" before the meeting even took place.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 04:28:42 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on July 31, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
Bringing Americans back home was bad? Having dialogue 1-on-1 was bad? Etc. :confused: Nothing is fact as of right now and no one claimed mission accomplished before the meeting.Actually Don did.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 31, 2018, 04:39:14 PM
Mission Accomplished!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 31, 2018, 04:41:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
Bringing Americans back home was bad? Having dialogue 1-on-1 was bad? Etc. :confused: Nothing is fact as of right now and no one claimed mission accomplished before the meeting.
I legit believe bringing people home to their families is awesome and really should not be understated. Those people owe DJT everything.
Post by: wetwillie on July 31, 2018, 08:15:31 PM
TBT, WW isn't a 'pub.
You son of a bitch
Post by: catastrophe on July 31, 2018, 09:56:44 PM
Unfortunately, Presidents have been lying to their people from Day 1. Not sure if living in that fantasy world is healthy for you, 'stone.
Unless you can post the link to #myguy George Washington lying to his people, I will have to fight you.
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 31, 2018, 10:38:53 PM
Unfortunately, Presidents have been lying to their people from Day 1. Not sure if living in that fantasy world is healthy for you, 'stone.
Unless you can post the link to #myguy George Washington lying to his people, I will have to fight you.
:lol:
Good luck getting fact links to any claim he makes.
:lol:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 08:11:47 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 10:24:50 AM
Post by: bucket on August 01, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
You don't think politicians fabricate stories? Are you really this dense? Answer: Yes!
Wacks is right. This is totally normal.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 10:57:23 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 11:07:48 AM
Well it's not normal that a US President finally meets with Kim to try and find a way for peace. You nailed that, bucket.
Or threatens nuclear war.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2018, 11:12:15 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 11:14:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 01, 2018, 12:32:47 PM
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12338_how_trump_s_lies_compare_with_obama_s_n.jpg)
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 12:38:19 PM
Man, now knowing that dc cat was TBT this whole time makes total sense. 4/5 of his posts are chasing Dax, FSD, and I around. :love: It's like he never left. :lol:
Yea, if there was any question about it before, the chemistry with Wacky is just uncanny.
Post by: wetwillie on August 01, 2018, 12:47:18 PM
Wacks is right, they all have lied once... What's the big deal guys? This is only first 10 months :sdeek:
(https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_12338_how_trump_s_lies_compare_with_obama_s_n.jpg)
110 seems super conservative, maybe he keeps telling the same lies over and over though.
Post by: catastrophe on August 01, 2018, 12:49:05 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 12:56:43 PM
You don't think politicians fabricate stories? Are you really this dense? Answer: Yes!
Wacks is right. This is totally normal.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 12:57:23 PM
Anyways, point remains, NK has been a positive for the most part and I don't know why you guys continue to root against the US on this one. Sucks if Trump said they agreed to denuke and they're not following through with it. Hope they stop soon.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2018, 01:04:08 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:06:31 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/895004435713273856
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 01:16:15 PM
What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Post by: wetwillie on August 01, 2018, 01:18:28 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 01:20:11 PM
No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:23:35 PM
Then wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
Post by: bucket on August 01, 2018, 01:35:39 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:38:04 PM
Post by: bucket on August 01, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
What am I missing, bucket? Speak!
Speak! :lol:
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 01:40:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 01:46:34 PM
That joint statement did call for them to "promote denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula" and to "work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula". I think the semantic difference between the Peninsula vs North Korea is significant, as is the idea of "work toward" or "promote" vs agree to do.The wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
A month later North Korea rebuffed talks with Pompeo, and said "The US is fatally mistaken if it went to the extent of regarding that the DPRK would be compelled to accept, out of its patience, the demands regarding its gangster-like mindset"
There is no agreement. This doesn't mean that there isn't potential for success but for what has happened thus far, Trump dunked on a Nerf hoop attached to the closet door and told you he won the NBA dunk contest.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:48:29 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 01:54:32 PM
Wait, so who was right?Not you, because you don't say anything. You wait for other to chime in and then :lol: like it's your own thought.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 01, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
Wait, so who was right?Not you, because you don't say anything. You wait for other to chime in and then :lol: like it's your own thought.
I never claimed I was right, did I? I’m just glad you finally posted some sources so 8MP could help correct your point of reference.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 01, 2018, 01:58:46 PM
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 02:00:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 01, 2018, 02:00:40 PM
I'm working towards winning the lottery...Don't be an idiot.
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
Post by: star seed 7 on August 01, 2018, 02:03:41 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 01, 2018, 02:20:44 PM
Much mean words.I'm working towards winning the lottery...Don't be an idiot.
"Phil won the lottery guys!" - wacky
Post by: 8manpick on August 01, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
Thank you for having enough brain cells to have a discussion with me, 8man. I appreciate you.
:tsc: :cheers:
Post by: sys on August 02, 2018, 12:06:57 AM
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2018, 07:37:30 AM
Quote
In the past, the regime has promised to return the remains of servicemen, but actually handed over unidentifiable bones of many people and some animals.
The latest batch of 55 boxes of remains from North Korea has just been received, and appears to fit the historic pattern. According to the Associated Press, the boxes contain “a single military dog tag but no other information that could help U.S. forensics experts determine their individual identities.”
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1024842035273052160
Post by: Phil Titola on August 02, 2018, 08:02:16 AM
Post by: sys on August 02, 2018, 08:07:18 AM
Post by: catastrophe on August 02, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
Do we even know who is supposed to be in them? Is someone going to sleep better knowing great grandpas bones are back in the USA?
Not a big cemetery guy, so I feel the same way. Some people are absolutely obsessed with visiting graves, though. I’m sure a few of those folks were pushing pretty hard for this.
Post by: mocat on August 02, 2018, 08:36:48 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2018, 09:34:49 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2018, 09:36:53 AM
Then wtf is he holding up here? https://www.wirk.com/trump-kim-jong-un-sign-historic-document-to-denuke-north-korea/No one other than Trump has said that, and since there is no actual agreement in place, it seems safe to call that a lie.Is it a lie if they told him they would? :dunno:What's your point in this thread tho? What did Trump lie about when it comes to NK? Other than dumbasses like TBT who thought he went over there to start a nuclear war.He said they agreed to denuclearize. He said that we would be at war with NK if it wasn't for him.
The first is a clear lie, the second is up for debate I guess.
(https://www.850wftl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/trump-signs-e1528799073914.jpg)
I know it's been discussed but HOLY CRAP LOOK AT HOW ITTY BITTY HIS HANDS ARE
Post by: Phil Titola on August 02, 2018, 09:52:04 AM
I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.Kim prob threw some bones in a box of some dissenter he killed and Trump is over here thinking he just brought down the wall.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2018, 11:21:42 AM
I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
:thumbs:
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 02, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
I will take a symbolic win with the way he has been getting slam dunked on by Kim.
Yeah need a moral victory at this point.
Post by: sys on August 08, 2018, 09:01:31 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 09:22:33 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
SMDH, pathetic
Post by: bucket on August 08, 2018, 09:39:14 PM
By implication the resident LibBots and the fake humanitarian are defending an administration that let NK build more nukes, build more powerful nukes, refine WMD delivery systems, and share that information with Iran.
SMDH, pathetic
No one here is defending Trump!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 09:45:38 PM
By implication the resident LibBots and the fake humanitarian are defending an administration that let NK build more nukes, build more powerful nukes, refine WMD delivery systems, and share that information with Iran.
SMDH, pathetic
No one here is defending Trump!
Quit covering for your guy aka the unmitigated foreign policy failure(s) that was the Obama administration.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 09:49:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 09:52:13 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 09:55:35 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:04:45 PM
Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:08:06 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
Bloodthirsty warpig DAX wanted Obama to deal with North Korea militarily. I disagree with bloodthirsty warpig DAX on this approach.
Negotiations is not war. We all know where the New NeoCon Head is, not mine.
Your guy said we should be talking to our enemies yet he didn’t engage NK on any substantial level.
But look at the The Big Tuck and LibBot7 trying gang up on me as usual.
Sad.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
It’s just such an unholy ass kicking, I admire trump for having a strong chin because, jfc he’s getting demolished
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 10:28:31 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
I am completely spot on. They may have researched it for years, but with the Information Age they had access to confirmed docs. NK went from tiny explosives to ICBM tech in a decade. Why? Because of the internet.
Oh wait!? Was that during newer times!? No way!?
You can try and convince yourself you are right here but that’s only after the tin foil hat goes on.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:29:39 PM
Good lord he is dunking on trump’s face so hard, it’s an embarrassment for all Americans
I mean it’s not quite the era of post election flexibility aka the great bendover. But you might be on to something. Let us know when Kim annexes South Korea or installs the next POTUS.
It’s just such an unholy ass kicking, I admire trump for having a strong chin because, jfc he’s getting demolished
You’re really dumbing down unholy ass kicking on a Geo-political level. But you desperately need a win so I’ll allow it.
It’s almost the participation ribbon of unholy ass kicking based on where the bar is set.
But pussification of America takes a toll and waters things down, ya know.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
Yep, Obama was solely responsible for NK nukes.
He had 8 years and did nothing. NK substantially refined their processes and capabilities on his watch and shared tons of information with Iran on his watch.
But you’ll defend your guy and get all pissed off no matter how shitty he was. So best to just sit this out The Big Tuck.
Yep, all previous admins before Obama crushed(dunked on) NK and suppressed their nuclear aspirations completely. NK only started their nuclear, missile, combative behavior in 2008. Obama is 100% to blame.
That’s not what I said. But eff you are so butthurt all the time.
You imply, very convincingly, this is entirety Obama’s fault. It’s very hard to be objective to your own insanely biased tin foil hat rhetoric.
You are a fanatic with tunnel vision that Obama is the entire problem. Between his years everything was wrong, regardless of what he inherited. Plain and simple, you crusty old man.
There was zero substantive engagement with NK from a guy who criticized the previous administration for not directly negotiating with our so called enemies. The timeline of nuke and ICBM capability acceleration couldn’t be more clear.
But continue to get all pissed off as usual when your guy’s shittyness is exposed.
The acceleration of technology in general, information, resources, etc went crazy during this time. That is a blatantly old man response to something you don’t understand.
Bill Clinton grew the economy tremendously during his stint in office. He wasn’t Al Gore, he didn’t create the internet. Why did the internet grow so rapidly? Because of access to information that people could use to build new things.
You are completely out of your element you rough ridin' 50+ tin foil hat moron. I get that you don’t understand how exponential growth of available information(including nuclear and rocket info) could lead to exponential growth in 40 year old tech.
Your continued lack of concept of how this could happen is not at all surprising tho. Tune that radio back to your youth, when everything was great.
That’s just a bunch of reaching gobble gook.
We’re talking nukes and delivery systems. The original nuclear powers all had what NK was on the cusp of developing while Obama was president 30 and 40 years before the Internet was a thing.
You are completely out of your element, you are utterly clueless in this matter.
I am completely spot on. They may have researched it for years, but with the Information Age they had access to confirmed docs. NK went from tiny explosives to ICBM tech in a decade. Why? Because of the internet.
Oh wait!? Was that during newer times!? No way!?
You can try and convince yourself you are right here but that’s only after the tin foil hat goes on.
First of all, NK development of Nuclear Weapons and delivery systems is not a conspiracy.
Lol at your constant referencing the Internet
Your guy did not engage NK on any substantive level, period. While fully knowing they were sharing information with Iran and likely getting a rapid uptick in technology prowess on rockets and nukes from entities that used to reside in the Eastern Bloc.
The rest of your spiel is just nonsensical nothingness.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 08, 2018, 10:44:04 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:47:57 PM
:lol: ok Adax Jones.
Tapout noted and accepted.
Only a total clueless dumbass would try to say that this is a conspiracy. But I know I’m talking to the same idiot who said the responsibilities of the executive branch was a conspiracy.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
https://m.dw.com/en/where-did-north-korea-get-its-missile-technology/a-40107204
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/asia/north-korea-missiles-ukraine-factory.html
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 08, 2018, 11:13:03 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2018, 11:13:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 11:19:13 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 08, 2018, 11:21:24 PM
:zzz:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 11:22:49 PM
This is going to end for the libtards the same way the trade war with europe ended, complete and total victory for don.NK hasn’t done a couple of things in quite a long time relative to the pace they were on before Trump turned up the heat.
If only Trump had taken Kim to a Nats game :frown
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2018, 11:23:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2018, 11:26:00 PM
Confused hayseeds unite lol
This is the new resident LibBot tapout.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 08, 2018, 11:27:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 09:54:56 AM
It's almost like they're pining for the days of NK launching their Soviet knockoff ICBM's all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies in the region.
Really weird, but not unexpected.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2018, 10:19:50 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 10:23:49 AM
I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
A negotiation requires two parties acting in good faith. You don't get that from dictators like Kim. Look at how poorly it's going for Trump.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on August 09, 2018, 10:27:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 10:27:57 AM
I agree with Dax that Obama should have invaded North Korea, denuclearized them, and let South Korea annex them. We would be a lot better off now if Obama would have had more backbone.
Or as I actually said, just negotiate with them.
Like he said we should do with all of our so called enemies when he was a Senator.
Hey, remember when Obama won that Nobel Peace Prize for talking about reducing Nuclear Weapons and then signed off on the most expensive nuclear weapons modernization program in world history? Gotta admit, kinda like a boss on that one.
A negotiation requires two parties acting in good faith. You don't get that from dictators like Kim. Look at how poorly it's going for Trump.
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
But LOL at LibBots taking this tact knowing full well that Barry barely met a dictator he didn't want in power with two notable and disastrous exceptions (almost a 3rd).
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2018, 10:29:29 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2018, 10:35:04 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on August 09, 2018, 10:47:09 AM
This is Drago v. Creed but Trump is still staying upright.Who is Rocky in this? Why don't they throw the towel
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 11:01:36 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 09, 2018, 11:24:38 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2018, 11:28:24 AM
This is Drago v. Creed but Trump is still staying upright.Who is Rocky in this? Why don't they throw the towel
Working on that, hadn’t thought it all the way through. I know Adrian is Marla maples tho
Post by: chum1 on August 09, 2018, 11:39:35 AM
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 09, 2018, 12:39:41 PM
It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 12:58:40 PM
It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
:lol: Everytime I'm smacking you with reality you play the conspiracy or Alex Jones card.
Did you read the two articles I posted?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2018, 01:04:57 PM
It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
It's the new playbook. Like the SG county yokels calling me a rube after I've already joked at what hayseeds they have to be.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 01:06:36 PM
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 01:08:02 PM
It's fun when dax calls out other people about conspiracy theories. It's like when trump calls other people low iq
He’s referenced that several times and what he’s referencing was me joking with him about how he turns everything into a conspiracy theory, not me saying I thought it was one. He gets so confused these days I haven’t had the heart to tell him. :frown:
It's the new playbook. Like the SG county yokels calling me a rube after I've already joked at what hayseeds they have to be.
:lol: at The Big Tuck now saying he was joking. :lol:
Dug, you've been awful lately. Either step up your game or take a couple of weeks off.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2018, 01:09:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
that was an easy tap-out. but I get it.
You're whole LibBot7 Jr. shtick is old. You gotta anything of substance to add?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
The only thing that could have stopped North Korea was war and a regime change. That would still stop them, but I think South Korea would probably eat some nukes if we tried it now.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
You never know if a party is going to act in good faith until you actually, you know, try and negotiate with them.
Yes, we've never tried to negotiate with North Korea before. As a result, there were also no North Korea experts accurately predicting exactly what would happen here.
I never said we hadn't tried to negotiate with North Korea before.
So, while there was minimal at best engagement with North Korea (okay, none), they were using Soviet ICBM designs to build better missiles and then they started launching them all over the South China Sea and over the heads of our allies. While there was minimal engagement with North Korea (okay, none) they were developing smaller and more powerful Nukes.
Barrack Obama paid for a shitty unsigned Iranian nuclear deal, but wouldn't engage a country that already had nukes and was getting better ICBM's. Weird tactics for a guy who won a Nobel Peace prize for talking about eliminating nuclear weapons.
The only thing that could have stopped North Korea was war and a regime change. That would still stop them, but I think South Korea would probably eat some nukes if we tried it now.
You're basically down to two choices when a country is firing ballistic missiles around in an indiscriminate fashion.
It seems that the New NeoCons have made their choice. Sad.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2018, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
GWB picked the wrong country to liberate, unfortunately.
I don't disagree, but liberating NK would have been far bloodier.
Everything is in place to turn up the pressure militarily, but every avenue of diplomatic pressure must be used.
The other challenge is China, because they've seen what's happened during the encirclement of Russia process, and they don't want NK to change their sphere of influence.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 09, 2018, 03:24:24 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2018, 04:03:42 PM
I had no idea the libs were in such a hurry to declare NK the winner. Reminds me of the texas governor in the royals stros series, except the royals were at least losing at the time.
Well North Korea is at or near the top of the list of things that Libbots fully support, so . . .
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 09, 2018, 09:53:30 PM
You can set your watch to it.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2018, 07:22:35 AM
Every time they desperately declare some rando person the victor over trump, trump immediately obtains complete and total surrender.
You can set your watch to it.
Well, they're already unhinged by Trump getting out of the utterly meaningless-kick the can down the road Iranian Nuclear Deal.
The only thing left is overt support for the Iranian mullahs and their theocratic "republic".
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2018, 07:42:26 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Bloodthirsty warpig DAX needs that sweet sweet regime change
Nope, your guy was the last one engaged in regime change, and you were willingly complicit. Created a huge mess we're still paying for today.
Just say NO to the New NeoCons!
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2018, 07:49:04 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 10, 2018, 07:53:51 AM
Hegemony
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2018, 09:10:41 AM
Let's turn the whole place into glass, right bloodthirsty warpig DAX? Whoooop!
If I actually did think like that (and I don't), big shout out to your guy for signing off on that Trillion dollar nuke upgrade package.
That glass will have a little extra sheen on it thanks to Barry.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 10, 2018, 09:13:03 AM
Let's turn the whole place into glass, right bloodthirsty warpig DAX? Whoooop!
If I actually did think like that (and I don't), big shout out to your guy for signing off on that Trillion dollar nuke upgrade package.
That glass will have a little extra sheen on it thanks to Barry.
holy crap
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 10, 2018, 09:36:50 AM
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
Post by: Phil Titola on August 10, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
The libtard shift from unyielding support for the b.o. era of bend over and take it in the ass diplomacy while standing down as murdering pirates ethnically clense large sections of asia and africa and russia reconstitutes the ussrLol Republicans who back Trump pontificating on principles.
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2018, 09:40:33 AM
The libtard shift from unyielding support for the b.o. era of bend over and take it in the ass diplomacy while standing down as murdering pirates ethnically clense large sections of asia and africa and russia reconstitutes the ussr
TO we need to war with everyone and negotiate nothing
has been a bizarre are prominent symptom of their TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) and general lack of anything that could resemble principles.
It's really worse.
They were fully complicit with either a total bendover on one side and/or some of the stupidest and most unnecessary regime change/attempted regime changes in modern American history.
They're in full support of the most eff'd up era of U.S. foreign policy, possibly ever.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 10, 2018, 09:49:55 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 10, 2018, 09:51:33 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2018, 10:07:46 AM
SMDH, sad
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 10, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 10, 2018, 12:56:15 PM
Resident LibBot Deflecto Meter gets turned to 11.
SMDH, sad
They simply do not know how to act when identified as hypocrites and devoid of principles. It's pathetic.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 10, 2018, 12:57:17 PM
Post by: sys on August 11, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
Post by: sys on August 21, 2018, 10:02:30 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 21, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 24, 2018, 04:28:05 PM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1033045273361178624
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 24, 2018, 05:09:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on August 24, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
Post by: sys on August 27, 2018, 09:48:43 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on August 27, 2018, 09:56:55 PM
Man, I thought it was so easy to deal with the North Koreans.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 28, 2018, 01:06:26 PM
https://ntknetwork.com/mattis-military-exercises-with-south-korea-back-on/
Post by: Kat Kid on August 29, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17795452/trump-north-korea-war-summit-singapore-promise (https://www.vox.com/2018/8/29/17795452/trump-north-korea-war-summit-singapore-promise)
Post by: chum1 on September 05, 2018, 08:13:50 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 21, 2018, 09:29:01 PM
QuoteIn the past, the regime has promised to return the remains of servicemen, but actually handed over unidentifiable bones of many people and some animals.
The latest batch of 55 boxes of remains from North Korea has just been received, and appears to fit the historic pattern. According to the Associated Press, the boxes contain “a single military dog tag but no other information that could help U.S. forensics experts determine their individual identities.”
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/1024842035273052160
:cry: I'm sure this "journo" will apologize for his cynicism :lol:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/trump-identifies-korean-war-soldiers-remains-returned-by-north-korea.html
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 26, 2018, 11:21:59 PM
Not only did The Era of the Post Election Bend Over include Obama getting completely dunked on by Putin and Kim Jung (as the U.S. did N O T H I N G), Xi stood right next to the dude in the Rose Garden at the White House and promised not to militarize the South China Sea and then went out and militarized the South China Sea.
My gawd the messes . . . .
List of entities and countries that just flat owned Barrack Obama:
Iran
North Korea
China
Russia
But he did good job of spying on European allies and U.S. journalists.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 27, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
Barrack Obama:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
Post by: mocat on September 27, 2018, 04:26:18 PM
Words can't begin to describe
coming up on 25k posts attempting to prove otherwise
Post by: chum1 on September 27, 2018, 05:37:26 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 27, 2018, 07:09:06 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 27, 2018, 08:00:19 PM
B.O. was an abject failure. Deal with it.
So not to be outdone, you guys had to vote in DJT? Talk about keeping up with the Jones.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 27, 2018, 08:15:40 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 27, 2018, 08:17:19 PM
DJT is better than B.O. Deal with it
:block:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 27, 2018, 09:27:55 PM
The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
Part of the reason why the economy either has to be talked down, or co-opted.
Post by: LickNeckey on September 28, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on September 28, 2018, 02:18:32 PM
stay tuned!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
(https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/OT_JOBS.jpg)
That's lagging by 7 or 8 months?
Remember, we were told that 2% or less GDP growth was the "new normal".
Does that factor in job openings? We're all time record job openings right now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-worker-shortage-1530807341
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 28, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
So desperate
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 30, 2018, 09:28:33 AM
https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/1046328225889243141
Post by: star seed 7 on December 05, 2018, 02:20:49 PM
Post by: sys on December 20, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1075630289995620352
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2018, 01:24:24 PM
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1075641602696196096
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 20, 2018, 02:01:20 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 20, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 20, 2018, 02:58:39 PM
The BO record is just abysmal on foreign policy. What a disaster.
His domestic policy sucks rocks just as hard.
Part of the reason why the economy either has to be talked down, or co-opted.
so about that
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 20, 2018, 03:01:20 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 17, 2019, 11:26:27 AM
:cry:
Post by: sys on January 30, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1090688364058165251
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2019, 09:31:40 PM
Pro tip: The whole repositioning of US defense will be towards strategic initiatives, not overthrowing defenseless countries in North Africa.
Post by: waks on February 05, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2019, 08:06:30 AM
Such unparalleled loyalty. Dax, you vying for a cabinet position? Secretary Dax has a nice ring to it.
Weird post from a weirdo.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2019, 08:48:25 AM
(https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/OT_JOBS.jpg)
That's lagging by 7 or 8 months?
Remember, we were told that 2% or less GDP growth was the "new normal".
Does that factor in job openings? We're all time record job openings right now.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-worker-shortage-1530807341
2.3% :emawkid:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
Plus Lick, the old horrible regime extolled the virtues and acceptance of "2% or less".
Always happy to keep you straight.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2019, 09:16:58 AM
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2019, 10:05:44 AM
:impatient:
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 06:44:27 AM
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 06:45:24 AM
https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1101018504692674562
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 06:49:47 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2019, 07:11:37 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on February 28, 2019, 07:26:38 AM
Post by: bucket on February 28, 2019, 07:30:25 AM
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1101092442164539393
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2019, 07:38:17 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 08:33:48 AM
In terms of N Korea it’s just sad to see LibDerp Nation hoping the peace process fails.
It seems LibDerp Nation would just prefer the missiles were flying and we were on the brink of war so Trump looks bad.
Pretty sad and frankly, pathetic.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2019, 08:43:03 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 28, 2019, 10:24:00 AM
believe it could be managed differently (stop hanging "mission accomplished banners"
but still see it as progress
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2019, 01:04:42 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2019, 01:21:41 PM
Trump wins: "Awesome, he's negotiating with a rough ridin' monster dictator. Disgusting"
Trump loses: "lol. He so got dunked on. Kim and Kim's sister keep stealing the show. What an alpha and what a failure for trump"
Pretty amazing strategy if you ask me.
Post by: bucket on February 28, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
I've always loved this topic. Libbots have an out both ways.
Trump wins: "Awesome, he's negotiating with a rough ridin' monster dictator. Disgusting"
Trump loses: "lol. He so got dunked on. Kim and Kim's sister keep stealing the show. What an alpha and what a failure for trump"
Pretty amazing strategy if you ask me.
Point one still applies to point two, fwiw
Post by: Cire on February 28, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
the first 30-40 minutes is pretty funny as long as you like Rogan and Franco doing their thing.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 28, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
Yikes
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 28, 2019, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on February 28, 2019, 01:44:08 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 28, 2019, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
Reason #2 The Talks are stalled: Syria
Reason #3 The Talks are stalled: Iraq
Reason #4 The Talks are stalled: North Korea wants the same treatment as Pakistan and India (and Israel) get
Reason #5 (a distant 5th) The Talks are stalled: Venezuela
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 03:52:16 PM
Reason #1 talks are stalled: dictators with nukes don’t get deposed and killed while dictators without nukes do. Kim is never giving up his nukes
You're a deep thinker 8man
Post by: chum1 on February 28, 2019, 04:00:57 PM
QuoteFor many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 28, 2019, 04:05:57 PM
I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.QuoteFor many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
So Trump hated the Russians before he loved them?
For Ronnie Raygun, one day it was the "Evil Empire" the next, photo ops with Gorby.
Glad we're not all monolithic thinkers like ChumDummy.
Post by: 8manpick on February 28, 2019, 04:09:35 PM
Reason #1 talks are stalled: dictators with nukes don’t get deposed and killed while dictators without nukes do. Kim is never giving up his nukes
You're a deep thinker 8man
Just wanted to simplify your list.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2019, 04:45:08 PM
I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.QuoteFor many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
So Trump hated the Russians before he loved them?
For Ronnie Raygun, one day it was the "Evil Empire" the next, photo ops with Gorby.
Glad we're not all monolithic thinkers like ChumDummy.
I don't think he had completely ruined his credit and become dependent on them by 1990.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 28, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Post by: treysolid on February 28, 2019, 05:23:49 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 01, 2019, 09:53:28 AM
I really thought this was going to be Trump's big moment to stand over KJU, stick his finger in his chest, and say eff you.QuoteFor many years, Trump has expressed curiosity about nuclear weapons. In 1984, still in his thirties, he told the Washington Post that he wanted to negotiate nuclear treaties with the Soviets. “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles,” he said. “I think I know most of it anyway.” According to oscar G. Blair, a research scholar at the Program on Science and Global Security, at Princeton, Trump encountered a U.S. nuclear-arms negotiator at a reception in 1990 and offered advice on how to cut a “terrific” deal with a Soviet counterpart. Trump told him to arrive late, stand over the Soviet negotiator, stick his finger in his chest, and say, “eff you!”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/26/president-trumps-first-term
he really is a moron
Post by: chum1 on March 01, 2019, 02:51:41 PM
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1101584064979456000
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2019, 04:36:29 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2019, 09:24:54 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1102005275245142016
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2019, 09:30:15 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 03, 2019, 09:43:49 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2019, 10:46:31 AM
Post by: steve dave on March 03, 2019, 04:30:17 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on March 03, 2019, 05:10:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 04, 2019, 08:49:45 AM
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
Post by: steve dave on March 04, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1102423751524868097
Post by: Phil Titola on March 04, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
LibDerp Nation and the peace movement in South Korea used to protest those military drills and demand US troops exit the country.
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
The problem appears to be you and the president just don't even understand what negotiating is.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 04, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
LibDerp Nation and the peace movement in South Korea used to protest those military drills and demand US troops exit the country.
Now LibDerp Nation demands more and larger military drills.
#sellouts
I've always supported joint exercises with SK and think it is a key installment for us to maintain. I hope we never leave SK, that's a pretty strategic location
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2019, 09:21:10 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1102951928500232192
Post by: steve dave on March 05, 2019, 09:22:01 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 05, 2019, 09:28:16 AM
I couldn't do deals like a deal master because I was too concerned about my former attorney owning me on tv. a lot of people are saying it. the russians and north koreans as a couple examples. a lot of people are.
:ROFL:
Post by: star seed 7 on March 05, 2019, 10:08:22 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 20, 2019, 09:22:27 PM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2019, 04:51:55 AM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 21, 2019, 09:50:01 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 21, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 21, 2019, 04:13:10 PM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
Post by: LickNeckey on March 22, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
weird how whack-a-doo cons accused him of being a socialist dictator
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 22, 2019, 09:06:44 AM
:Ugh:Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
Fed officials also cut their economic outlook. They now expect gross domestic product growth of 2.1 percent this year, down from a 2.3 percent estimate in December.
:Ugh:
The next step will be for the administration to start preaching to the American public that this kind of tepid growth is just the way it's always going to be, never expect anything more, so everybody should just learn to code.f Double down on that message when unemployment goes back up to 7 or 8%, just remind everybody that the United States glory days are long since past and this is the new normal.
just wait for that trickle down tho...
Weird you how LibDerps always say that when the wealth gap accelerated dramatically after 8 years with your guy. But he sure did sound good when he was up there reading off that Tele-Prompter.
weird how whack-a-doo cons accused him of being a socialist dictator
You'll have to start a new thread to discuss all the Banana Republic BS your guy was up to, and most socialist dictators are going to herald the new normal from the mountaintops.
Post by: chum1 on March 22, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 23, 2019, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 23, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 23, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 23, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 24, 2019, 05:55:00 AM
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html
Plus, why does LibDerp Nation think more sanctions are going to change anything. All kinds of sanctions on NK in the past, still got nukes, still built missiles still exported that technology to places like Iran.
Post by: Kat Kid on March 24, 2019, 07:16:10 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on March 24, 2019, 08:37:44 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 24, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 24, 2019, 02:08:55 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on March 24, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
The real reason why the summit broke down?
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/03/13/inenglish/1552464196_279320.html
Plus, why does LibDerp Nation think more sanctions are going to change anything. All kinds of sanctions on NK in the past, still got nukes, still built missiles still exported that technology to places like Iran.
not sure what the appropriate solution to the NK situation is
i am actually in favor with the normalization of relations we are pursuing but think this santions situation was totally botched
Post by: LickNeckey on July 26, 2019, 03:20:19 PM
Many mainstream liberal and conservative economists said the U.S. was far too developed to sustain 4 percent annual growth and said the country’s long-term growth rate would be closer to 2 percent of GDP.]
The U.S. economy grew by 2.3 percent of GDP in 2017.
:dunno:
The "new normal" was an umbrella for many economic indicators and their relative milquetoast performance under the previous regime . . . but always heralded as being great by the Parrots.
I guess what you don't get is that the "new normal" was heralded as being the only thing that could be achieved, so everybody just get used to it and lets make sure that regulation nation and bloated government "get theirs" before we concern ourselves with moving the economy forward.
https://libn.com/2019/07/26/q2-gdp-comes-in-at-2-1-while-2018-revised-down-from-3/
wtf is this?
not even 1.5 trilly in tax cuts could change the "new normal"?
thought Laffer was bringin the jet fuel...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 26, 2019, 04:07:07 PM
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
Post by: LickNeckey on July 26, 2019, 04:45:27 PM
at least this administration is not amassing staggering deficits that pubs super duper hate
Post by: LickNeckey on September 19, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
the new normal :frown:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 19, 2019, 03:16:56 PM
https://www.kiplinger.com/article/business/T019-C000-S010-gdp-growth-rate-and-forecast.html
the new normal :frown:
Nobody is happy about that, weird takes from a full blown supporter of the new normal/just accept it administration #learntocode!
Post by: LickNeckey on September 19, 2019, 07:26:41 PM
who knew?
Post by: LickNeckey on November 16, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Previous Administration: :excited:, #newnormal, just be happy there's any growth at all, LEARN TO CODE!
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/15/gdp-economic-growth-close-to-negative-for-q4-according-to-fed-gauges.html
Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told lawmakers the outlook for the U.S. economy is good but lower economic growth, along with low interest rates and low inflation was the 'new normal.'
Get em Dax!
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 18, 2019, 05:59:04 AM
Previous Administration: :excited:, #newnormal, just be happy there's any growth at all, LEARN TO CODE!
Current Administration: Frustration with nominal growth
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/15/gdp-economic-growth-close-to-negative-for-q4-according-to-fed-gauges.html
Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell told lawmakers the outlook for the U.S. economy is good but lower economic growth, along with low interest rates and low inflation was the 'new normal.'
Get em Dax!
Prior administration: Learn to Code!
Post by: bucket on November 18, 2019, 09:26:49 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2019, 10:51:38 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 18, 2019, 11:59:22 AM
Just yesterday, he thought he was going to see Kim soon. :frown:
Post by: LickNeckey on December 05, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
:bawl:
dotard is back
Post by: LickNeckey on December 05, 2019, 12:40:28 PM
He then made a rather unorthodox suggestion: “They have to move,” Trump said, referring to the city’s residents. “They have to move!” he repeated.
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/12/5/20996986/trump-seoul-north-korea-move-bergen-book
Post by: Institutional Control on December 05, 2019, 12:41:33 PM
Post by: mocat on December 06, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 06, 2019, 10:31:13 AM
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2019, 10:33:44 AM
:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 06, 2019, 10:39:31 AM
:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
They've talked for decades how NK artillery can strike the center of Seoul.
Great strategic eye by our president.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 06, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
:lol: awesome.
Keen understanding of poor strategic planning on the part of the SK's.
In the Korean War the NK's overran Seoul easily.
Thoughts on trump's surprise at the location and suggesting they move the capital city?
They've talked for decades how NK artillery can strike the center of Seoul.
Great strategic eye by our president.
He learned where Seoul was in the past few days
Post by: mocat on December 06, 2019, 12:33:38 PM
Post by: bucket on December 08, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 08, 2019, 12:23:45 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on April 20, 2020, 10:11:57 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/kim-jong-un-north-korea/index.html
Post by: bucket on April 20, 2020, 10:13:10 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 20, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
Post by: bucket on April 20, 2020, 10:20:01 PM
twitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
https://twitter.com/AntiheroKB/status/1252427600992931846
Just a lot of tweets like this one.
Post by: cfbandyman on April 20, 2020, 10:25:51 PM
Post by: DaBigTrain on April 20, 2020, 10:28:07 PM
:lol: that’s fantastictwitter is pretty amaze right now with the news about this.
please link
https://twitter.com/AntiheroKB/status/1252427600992931846
Just a lot of tweets like this one.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 20, 2020, 11:09:35 PM
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 20, 2020, 11:24:39 PM
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252420399050022921
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1252450188712501248
Sounds like somebody got burned on a fake leak...
:ROFL:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2020, 08:23:35 AM
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
Post by: star seed 7 on April 21, 2020, 08:37:18 AM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1252443559053201408
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 21, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
LOL
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
Actually NBC, I believe. Either way, score one for main stream media.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 21, 2020, 09:24:56 AM
Expect nothing less from NBCCPLOL
Was it CNN who first reported this?
Incredible
Actually NBC, I believe. Either way, score one for main stream media.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Post by: sys on April 22, 2020, 11:27:05 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on April 22, 2020, 11:41:42 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 22, 2020, 11:45:16 PM
https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1253079188518645760
Some people don't understand a single party state.
Kim Jung Un has been seen to reassert party control over the military during his tenure. The military currently only has one seat on the cabinet. The chief of state is also a relatively non military person, albeit his family lineage leans more towards military oversight and service.
Where Dobbs is being dumb (realizing this is edited) is that no one really has any idea what would happen if NK became a true military dictatorship.
Always happy to get Sys-Whack-A-Doo squared away.
Post by: Kat Kid on April 23, 2020, 07:49:02 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2020, 07:51:59 AM
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Post by: steve dave on April 23, 2020, 10:54:29 AM
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Post by: Phil Titola on April 23, 2020, 12:42:45 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2020, 01:09:49 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 23, 2020, 01:59:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 23, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 24, 2020, 07:02:50 AM
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1252420399050022921
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106
She ALMOST had the scoop!!!
https://twitter.com/eyesonq/status/1253576011221999617
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 24, 2020, 08:58:58 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 24, 2020, 10:28:22 AM
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Post by: Institutional Control on April 25, 2020, 09:07:21 AM
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Post by: DaBigTrain on April 25, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 25, 2020, 10:34:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Tobi___23/status/1254050320575053826
https://twitter.com/AuntyNational/status/1253950455987744768
https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1253946598993940480
https://twitter.com/Stalineof/status/1253967378842636288
Post by: Phil Titola on April 25, 2020, 10:40:21 AM
Post by: wetwillie on April 25, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Post by: wetwillie on April 25, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on April 25, 2020, 03:33:43 PM
another (brilliant) idea: we tell China they can have NK and we won't throw a fit and actually vaguely support it but they have to finance our covid-19 bailout.
We give them NK without a fight and they forgive our debt. Louisiana purchase 2020.
Post by: waks on April 25, 2020, 05:51:58 PM
eff it, give 'em South Korea too (sorry Puni) but they have to stop harassing Taiwan and rough ridin' around in the South China Sea.another (brilliant) idea: we tell China they can have NK and we won't throw a fit and actually vaguely support it but they have to finance our covid-19 bailout.
We give them NK without a fight and they forgive our debt. Louisiana purchase 2020.
Post by: sys on April 25, 2020, 06:25:18 PM
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
wait, did he really die?TMZ reported it so likely
Post by: LickNeckey on April 25, 2020, 06:27:07 PM
They fundamentally believe that Taiwan is, was, and always will be a part of China.
I honestly don't even think aquiring S. Korea (as impossible as that obvs is) would deter the One-China policy.
Post by: sys on April 25, 2020, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: waks on April 25, 2020, 06:29:51 PM
They are not "harassing" Taiwan.Yeah, dude, I get it. Keep in mind that we're talking about the absurd idea of negotiating with China to forgive our debt in exchange for giving them the control over a country that we have no control over. . .
They fundamentally believe that Taiwan is, was, and always will be a part of China.
I honestly don't even think aquiring S. Korea (as impossible as that obvs is) would deter the One-China policy.
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2020, 06:34:50 PM
Actually TMZ didn't confirmwait, did he really die?TMZ reported it so likely
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1254159622262460420
Post by: Kat Kid on April 25, 2020, 06:37:35 PM
Post by: sys on April 25, 2020, 06:40:40 PM
You know who is definitely dead? That surgeon.
what if the sister arranged it?
Post by: michigancat on April 25, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
My guy Jesse Kelly with some non-covid hot takes!You know who is definitely dead? That surgeon.
what if the sister arranged it?
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1254115499958579204
Post by: steve dave on April 25, 2020, 07:09:09 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on April 26, 2020, 11:24:48 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 26, 2020, 11:38:47 AM
Not surprising in the least.
Post by: sys on April 26, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
South Korea stated publicly he is alive and well, so that is interesting.
south korea probably has better sources than tmz.
Post by: treysolid on April 26, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
South Korea stated publicly he is alive and well, so that is interesting.
south korea probably has better sources than tmz.
i don't remember SK breaking Kobe's death
Post by: sys on April 26, 2020, 12:51:30 PM
Post by: treysolid on April 26, 2020, 01:04:47 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on April 26, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 27, 2020, 09:33:03 AM
Holy crap!! Do y'all share one brain and forget who has it when you post?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: waks on April 27, 2020, 10:48:02 AM
The last 10-15 responses are like the keystone cops had a baby with the three stooges and it started reporting on world events.Oh the irony
Holy crap!! Do y'all share one brain and forget who has it when you post?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: steve dave on May 02, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on May 02, 2020, 07:23:55 PM
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on May 04, 2020, 11:42:57 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1256696015702425601
But TMZ said he was dead and they did break the Kobe scoop, so how could they be wrong?!?!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: chum1 on March 25, 2022, 10:48:43 AM