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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: justanotherguy on April 23, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
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http://www.heraldbanner.com/texas/sports/how-kansas-state-is-latest-athletic-department-to-become-self/article_00b5405a-f05b-5a6e-8271-e56819a85e61.html
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well written article and some great coverage of our athletic dept from greenville, tx
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Yeah its awesome! I got this email a few weeks ago saying that the students don't have to pay an activity fee next year so that's pretty cool! Gene is the GOAT, one day their will be a building named after him.
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Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?
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Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?
Less kids each year are going to college, KSU isn't the only school in Kansas taking a dip but by far it is losing the most. KSU gives out the best scholarships out of anyone in the state so I don't know. Most of the kids in my high school class didn't even go to JUCO so I honestly can't tell you. All i know is that a lot of people are afraid of gaining debt as they feel as if college isn't worth the time or money.
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Why is enrollment plummeting at KSU?
Less kids each year are going to college, KSU isn't the only school in Kansas taking a dip but by far it is losing the most. KSU gives out the best scholarships out of anyone in the state so I don't know. Most of the kids in my high school class didn't even go to JUCO so I honestly can't tell you. All i know is that a lot of people are afraid of gaining debt as they feel as if college isn't worth the time or money.
Enrollment is up 50% at technical schools in Kansas though, maybe people feel as if less is more when it comes to investment and time spent learning.
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Up in here in sojoco Arkansas is spreading a lot of scholarship money around, I think targeting the KU families that are not getting the time of day from KU
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Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
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Tuition has gone up like every year for the past decade too.
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I know some kids who are paying 25% more in yearly tuition then I did in 2009 when I started college. A 25% increase in less than 10 years is outrageous.
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Yeah if I wouldn't have went to KState I probably would have went to BUCO and would be getting certs to start in IT with an associates and spending no money at all.
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Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at. This leads to lots of resentment in both directions. Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.
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Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at. This leads to lots of resentment in both directions. Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.
We should just continue to turn K-State Polytechnic into this role.
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The real question is how does K-State enrollment look relative to regional P5 and high mid major schools.
The answer is . . . not good.
Even MU is back on pace to all time record applications. Cornhole, Iowa, Iowa State, OU, OSU, CU, CSU, Ark are holding at (less than 1% off all time record highs) or at all time enrollment highs. Even KU is back on track. K-State down over 10% in 3 years.
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You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.
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You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.
Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace. The uptick ended in 2014.
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Ft Riley lost a lot of people and the state of KS has incentivized Vo-Tech classes to KS high schoolers while cutting funding to universities.
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elite
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Self funded, thanks Currie!
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You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.
Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace. The uptick ended in 2014.
Idk why k-state is dying the way it is but it’s very concerning imo.
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It’s hard to believe this:
So how is Kansas State successfully operating without any support? Three main things — Big 12 revenue, ticket sales and a passionate alumni and fan base that donates millions each year through the Ahearn Fund.
Kansas State’s annual financial report submitted to the NCAA shows those three areas combined for $71.9 million in revenue, or 83 percent of monies brought in during the 2017 fiscal year. Kansas State earned $44.1 million in 2016-17 for media rights and licensing, up more than $4 million from 2016. The Big 12’s revenue-sharing model played a key role in that number, accounting for $34.8 million.
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You must also consider that K-State enrollment exploded between 2009 and 2015, so a decrease in enrollment could still be higher than it was pre-2009. KU had a giant decrease in enrollment in those years as well.
Relative to many other P5 schools, K-State's enrollment did not explode, it only increased at a nice pace. The uptick ended in 2014.
Idk why k-state is dying the way it is but it’s very concerning imo.
This isn't too complicated... state funding has declined 17% over the past 8 years while household income in Kansas has not regained pre-recession levels. https://realprosperityks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Higher-ed-report-FINAL.pdf (https://realprosperityks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Higher-ed-report-FINAL.pdf)
Currently, university students now pay about 71% of the cost of tuition, up from around 50% pre-recession http://kmuw.org/post/students-state-universities-kansas-pay-higher-education-funding-cuts (http://kmuw.org/post/students-state-universities-kansas-pay-higher-education-funding-cuts)
To add to the issue, economic activity in Kansas has been well below our neighbors. Missouri has slouched a bit recently and our coincident index is now slightly better than Missouri: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?id=MOPHCI,KSPHCI,OKPHCI,NEPHCI,COPHCI, (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?id=MOPHCI,KSPHCI,OKPHCI,NEPHCI,COPHCI,) This has probably forced some kids to look away from a four-year degree or do so in another state.
K-State has also been hurt because while we went on a building spree KU went on an endowment building process; hence, somewhat lowering our competitive advantages.
I used to work a lot with some of the ag economic / economic departments of regional schools and it was difficult to watch top faculty at KSU be picked off by Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan St., Purdue, etc. I hope we get it squared away and back on track. KSU made tons of progress and hopefully it can get the wheels moving again.
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It's oscar
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do we blame The Animal or whatever Gen Myers nickname is?
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Enrollment at 4 year institutions has needed an autocorrection for a long time. Glad tech schools are getting the bulk. Supply of 4-year students was/is too high. I want everyone to get a great education, but that doesn't have to come from a 4-year college.
That is true, a lot of people really aren't looking for or interested in a well-rounded university-style education, but rather a training/job placement program which technical schools are great at. This leads to lots of resentment in both directions. Maybe Kansas needs to lead the way with a large technical school that has a minor league(ish) type sports program attached to it which would meet most people in the state's needs.
We should just continue to turn K-State Polytechnic into this role.
Give 'em a Div II athletic department to compete with the other state universities of Kansas. The KSUPI Mighty Honyockers
#GeauxYox
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KSTATE went on a huge out of state recruiting binge from 2009-2013.
We should restart pulling kids out of california (where in state tuition is unobtainable for most) and other high cost states.
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Lowest undergrad enrollment since 2002? Yuck.
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Lowest undergrad enrollment since 2002? Yuck.
there are people who should be held to task about this, but won't be...it's the k-state way
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The two primary KBOR schools are kind of eff'd right now.
One is run by old people. Pres-75, Bosco 60 something, Provost 60 something, AD 60, BB Coach 60, FB Coach 78. I mean, good lawd.
KU has kind of lightweight as their new Chancellor, at least so far, and they're paying BGL a half a mil to hang around and consult.
LOL, good night nurse.
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Having good universities is not really a priority for most kansans.
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The two primary KBOR schools are kind of eff'd right now.
One is run by old people. Pres-75, Bosco 60 something, Provost 60 something, AD 60, BB Coach 60, FB Coach 78. I mean, good lawd.
KU has kind of lightweight as their new Chancellor, at least so far, and they're paying BGL a half a mil to hang around and consult.
LOL, good night nurse.
I've been waiting for them to announce the new provost for awhile. I guess they'll wait until the semester wraps up. My money is on Floros. I don't think they'll let him get away.
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Lowest undergrad enrollment since 2002? Yuck.
Spring 2008
https://www.k-state.edu/media/mediaguide/enrollment.html
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Having good universities is not really a priority for most kansans.
Nor should it be
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https://newfoodeconomy.org/rural-kansas-depopulation-commodity-agriculture/
My hometown is mentioned in there. Pretty good (and sad) read.
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Good to see K-State so beholden to corporate farming that they don't have any programs on organic farming.
Apparently organic farming just happens from magic seeds that don't have to be bought. No tractors, farm implements, fuel or anything else needed either. It apparently harvests itself.
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I know some kids who are paying 25% more in yearly tuition then I did in 2009 when I started college. A 25% increase in less than 10 years is outrageous.
been a long time happening
When I started in 94, you could take as many hours as you wanted for $750/semester. Today it's $309/hr.
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I also like the one KSU guy who basically said Western KS should just die.
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I know some kids who are paying 25% more in yearly tuition then I did in 2009 when I started college. A 25% increase in less than 10 years is outrageous.
been a long time happening
When I started in 94, you could take as many hours as you wanted for $750/semester. Today it's $309/hr.
Wow. That's crazy.
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Lowest undergrad enrollment since 2002? Yuck.
Spring 2008
https://www.k-state.edu/media/mediaguide/enrollment.html
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Alright, lowest fall enrollment since 2002
Take a hike, pal :shakesfist:
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It is not all that surprising that the two main KS universities have older people running the show, it's pretty common across higher ed. Although, this comment has me concerned a bit about our dear old AD:
“That's one of the beautiful things about K-State is our fans are extremely supportive of our program,” Taylor said. “Pound-for-pound in terms of our number of alumni and the areas in which we pull from of our fan base, I would say our fans give — I've never done a study — but I would say our fans support us a great deal ... and equally as well as anybody in the country.”
Hey Gene, you're the AD, maybe spend some time doing that study that you've never done? Concerning to me is not age, but the regurgitation of talking points that aren't evidence based from university leadership.
Been awhile since I've lived in KS, but I think many more families are price conscious now. Given the lack of state support for higher ed in KS, KU and KSU look a lot more unreasonable to the average Kansan, especially when you consider the community college options. How is enrollment at community college's in the state?
All of this is to say, KSU was probably in for a decline. I'd view this more as a trend in higher ed in general, than something KSU specific. Even some "prestigious" schools are struggling with enrollment right now. FWIW, I work in a state higher ed system that is well supported, relative to most states in the country, where full time (12 or more credit hours) in-state tuition per semester is $3,335. We can keep this so low as a result of support from the statehouse. I'd lay the blame, in the KS case, with the statehouse more than internal KSU factors.