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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: pissclams on March 25, 2018, 05:13:27 PM
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i think it’s ok to just not like the freaking weirdo without having to argue a phd thesis
but maybe i’m wrong based upon the reactions a lot of people who post here have when someone makes a negative comment?
i mean, I don’t like bananas either and don’t really have a great reason other than they’re kind of stringy
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you didn't like frank either
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makes you a dumbass but sure.
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I'd prefer this to just making up stuff.
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I don’t like bananas either and don’t really have a great reason other than they’re kind of stringy
you have to peel them.
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I'd prefer this to just making up stuff.
what has been made up?
In addition to the fact that he's an average B12 coach, I don't like watching his teams play as much as I like watching other teams. He is afraid to let his players play and IMO it leads to ineffective, boring offense most of the time. He's been a very good recruiter and pretty good at defense though.
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I'd prefer this to just making up stuff.
My same reaction. I have no issues with people saying oscar is a dork. I agree. But acting like his players don’t respect/like him or that we could easily find a better coach if we canned his ass is just nuts.
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It's fine to not like anybody, just don't make up stupid false reasons (eg, he isn't a good coach) for it. That's the same as being racist.
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i think it’s ok to just not like the freaking weirdo without having to argue a phd thesis
but maybe i’m wrong based upon the reactions a lot of people who post here have when someone makes a negative comment?
i mean, I don’t like bananas either and don’t really have a great reason other than they’re kind of stringy
Absolutely, just say that. No need to minimize his accomplishments or act like the program was in better shape under Frank. Just say you don't like the guy, it's honest and somewhat understandable.
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Yes it’s perfectly acceptable. I’m going to embrace the crap out of him however.
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I'd prefer this to just making up stuff.
what has been made up?
In addition to the fact that he's an average B12 coach, I don't like watching his teams play as much as I like watching other teams. He is afraid to let his players play and IMO it leads to ineffective, boring offense most of the time. He's been a very good recruiter and pretty good at defense though.
You haven't made anything up.
One of the biggest complaints was "oscar hasn't won a tournament game since 2011" or whatever. Then he wins three and it was only because of luck or something. I think downplaying an elite 8 is making things up.
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I'd prefer this to just making up stuff.
My same reaction. I have no issues with people saying oscar is a dork. I agree. But acting like his players don’t respect/like him or that we could easily find a better coach if we canned his ass is just nuts.
His dorkyness is probably what I like most about him. His players now seem to like him. I don't think we could easily find a better coach, either.
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everything horrible about him personally will become awesome if he can consistently win. If we compete for confy next year, make the tourney outside of the bubble, and win a game, I will be 100% bought in for life.
I think is overcoaching/not coaching certain parts of the game will make this success unlikely tho.
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I like him best when he's shittiest.
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remember when he spiked his clipboard off the stool and struck a player when he was miming the human emotion of anger?
could frank have gotten away with that?
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makes you a dumbass but sure.
bro, you’re a ku grad who never attended k state. of course you love oscar
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No one needs to justify or explain the rationale for their loathing of oscar Weber. It’s definitely OK to just not like him.
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Wow, again with the stringy banana complaint. Pretty sure pclams thinks celery is a banana. Unbelievable.
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i think it’s ok to just not like the freaking weirdo without having to argue a phd thesis
but maybe i’m wrong based upon the reactions a lot of people who post here have when someone makes a negative comment?
i mean, I don’t like bananas either and don’t really have a great reason other than they’re kind of stringy
Agreed. He is so easy to dislike he would have to be way better x & o bball coach to make him tolerable
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That was fun but I still don't like him :dunno:
I also still don't think he's a very good coach. But I'm resigned to him being here until he retires if he doesn't take a different job in the next month or so.
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I'm not a fan of his. Much like Bill, I have come to terms with the fact that he will be here as long as he wants even though I am ready to see someone else lead my Wildcats.
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I don't dislike oscar. I don't like him that much, either. I'm pretty neutral. I'd like him if he started consistently putting top 20 teams together.
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I don't root against the Cats for my own agenda but I still don't care for oscar.
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I think is overcoaching/not coaching certain parts of the game will make this success unlikely tho.
I'm going to need a further explanation of this, specifically as it relates to oscar.
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I don't understand not liking him as a person. I think most who say this don't like Currie and have determined to dig their heels in.
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I hope athletic directors don’t check message boards before hiring coaches.
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I don't understand not liking him as a person. I think most who say this don't like Currie and have determined to dig their heels in.
You need a list of bad character traits or what?
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I don't understand not liking him as a person. I think most who say this don't like Currie and have determined to dig their heels in.
You need a list of bad character traits or what?
Currie is the worst.
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I'm very fluid on my position on this and all other topics. Like, when we are not good I probably will not like him. When we are good, I will. I'd suggest this position to the rest of you as well.
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I don't understand not liking him as a person. I think most who say this don't like Currie and have determined to dig their heels in.
You need a list of bad character traits or what?
I think the way he treated and talks about Marcus Foster is pretty dickish.
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At the heart of it, oscar Weber is a survivor, and not in a real positive connotation. He's willing to blame anything and everything on someone else if it means he gets to keep coaching. He blamed early struggles on Illinois on Bill Self, he blamed later struggles at Illinois on Chicago handlers, he blamed his failures at K-State on a group of players that HE recruited. If something goes wrong it's someone else's fault. If we lose to KU it's because The Flush or Nino Williams just didn't play well enough. If the whole team plays bad it's jet lag. It's always something with that guy. But by far the most egregious are the heinous rumors about Marcus Foster and co. that he let fester and spread completely unchecked, not to this day has he cast any doubt upon the insanity that surrounded that situation, and it resulted in enough positive sentiment toward him that he was able to convince the AD to let him blow up his own roster and start over. After three entire years on the job, and after he was just fired for performance at Illinois. I don't know it if was purposeful, but it sure benefited him greatly that a public backlash developed toward his players during that season. So, either on purpose, or because he lacks the social skills of a normal human being, he continues to protect his image by damaging the image of others. That is what makes him a shitty person.
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crap, I used my 'mousse account instead of my Trim account and forgot to include paragraph breaks.
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:peek:
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pretty much nailed it there
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crap, I used my 'mousse account instead of my Trim account and forgot to include paragraph breaks.
et tu, chingon.
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my 2nd favorite La Croix (after Peach Pear) really nailed it but did forget the losing hand shake blow by.
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At the heart of it, oscar Weber is a survivor, and not in a real positive connotation. He's willing to blame anything and everything on someone else if it means he gets to keep coaching. He blamed early struggles on Illinois on Bill Self, he blamed later struggles at Illinois on Chicago handlers, he blamed his failures at K-State on a group of players that HE recruited. If something goes wrong it's someone else's fault. If we lose to KU it's because The Flush or Nino Williams just didn't play well enough. If the whole team plays bad it's jet lag. It's always something with that guy. But by far the most egregious are the heinous rumors about Marcus Foster and co. that he let fester and spread completely unchecked, not to this day has he cast any doubt upon the insanity that surrounded that situation, and it resulted in enough positive sentiment toward him that he was able to convince the AD to let him blow up his own roster and start over. After three entire years on the job, and after he was just fired for performance at Illinois. I don't know it if was purposeful, but it sure benefited him greatly that a public backlash developed toward his players during that season. So, either on purpose, or because he lacks the social skills of a normal human being, he continues to protect his image by damaging the image of others. That is what makes him a shitty person.
huggins and martin blamed players, fans, etc all the time. as do a million other coaches. next!
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Ya but he does it with a squeaky voice.
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hey wacks and stunner, this thread isn’t yet another place for you two to throw crap at people who don’t like oscar
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Ya but he does it with a squeaky voice.
Squeaky voice is about last on the list of reasons I can't stand oscar.
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At the heart of it, oscar Weber is a survivor, and not in a real positive connotation. He's willing to blame anything and everything on someone else if it means he gets to keep coaching. He blamed early struggles on Illinois on Bill Self, he blamed later struggles at Illinois on Chicago handlers, he blamed his failures at K-State on a group of players that HE recruited. If something goes wrong it's someone else's fault. If we lose to KU it's because The Flush or Nino Williams just didn't play well enough. If the whole team plays bad it's jet lag. It's always something with that guy. But by far the most egregious are the heinous rumors about Marcus Foster and co. that he let fester and spread completely unchecked, not to this day has he cast any doubt upon the insanity that surrounded that situation, and it resulted in enough positive sentiment toward him that he was able to convince the AD to let him blow up his own roster and start over. After three entire years on the job, and after he was just fired for performance at Illinois. I don't know it if was purposeful, but it sure benefited him greatly that a public backlash developed toward his players during that season. So, either on purpose, or because he lacks the social skills of a normal human being, he continues to protect his image by damaging the image of others. That is what makes him a shitty person.
That's fine and some of it is absolutely on point. The blaming of players thing seems a bit lame to me because he's being honest. We know Barry didn't execute that final play against KU, we all have eyes. For me I'd rather a coach be honest publicly with his observations rather than say publicly "it's my fault" while motherfucking the player behind closed doors.
I also think what you describe, I call the personality type a blamer, would be ignored if the circumstances of his hire were different. He's human, he like the rest of us have undesirable personality traits. My wife is a blamer, I'd murder for her.
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remember when everyone kept saying "oscar is lucky to have a 6'10" 4 star stud in our backyard"?
then we get to the freaking elite 8 without Claws :lol:
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I do not remember that
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yea no one ever said that
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Probably a lot of KU guys were talking about it at The Wheel or something.
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yea i just made it up