Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
We had a good run!
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 24, 2018, 07:43:29 PM
Strangely. But this is the result I would have expected if we'd played a legit Final Four caliber team. So, maybe I can just tell myself that Loyola is a legit Final Four caliber team.I'm not either. Very well said chum
We had a good run!
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Post by: Mels Fish Bowl on March 24, 2018, 07:45:26 PM
Post by: stunted on March 25, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
proud of the guys and coaches though, they're all awesome and lovable. it was a lot of fun to follow. barry's drive, the suspense for kentucky's last shot, and finally winning, was an amazing feeling i'll never forget.
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2018, 08:06:16 AM
If everyone comes back next year, I’m gonna be pretty pumped. Was a lot of fun cheering for these guys.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 25, 2018, 09:42:36 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 25, 2018, 09:43:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 10:03:38 AM
Everything they threw at the rim went in, and everything we threw at the rim rattled out. Some guy who never scored 14 points in a high school game made 6 3's. It happens.Well, they were wide rough ridin' open the entire game and we were throwing up contested long twos at the end of the shot clock. So of course more of theirs went in.
Post by: Trim on March 25, 2018, 10:05:36 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2018, 10:08:59 AM
I was given the impression that the lol shitty shooting % of prior opponents was 100% attributable to KSU’s historically great defense.Those were because of the great KSU defense, yesterday was because of lucky Loyola shooting
Post by: Trim on March 25, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
I was given the impression that the lol shitty shooting % of prior opponents was 100% attributable to KSU’s historically great defense.Those were because of the great KSU defense, yesterday was because of lucky Loyola shooting
Maybe it was the nun.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 25, 2018, 04:35:05 PM
That said, kentucky would have had 20 blocks in that game. Going 5 guards was stupid and they made 25 layups as a result.
LOL, our best rim protector was one of those five guards. LOL at the thought of any of our bigs protecting the rim
Post by: brandochav on March 26, 2018, 05:22:29 PM
That said, kentucky would have had 20 blocks in that game. Going 5 guards was stupid and they made 25 layups as a result.
LOL, our best rim protector was one of those five guards. LOL at the thought of any of our bigs protecting the rim
They had some acrobatic shots go in, but the open or barely contested layups are an example of a terrific offensive game plan against our D. Loyola was much faster than we were, and we had no real ability to make up for it. They never let our defense settle-in and used a pass-and-attack approach that we weren't prepared for, or possibly even able to defend. Simply put, Loyola had some crucial, lucky shots go-in and we had unlucky in-and-outs almost all game, couple that with the quickness and execution of their offense and us having no real rim defender to cover (thank God for no 3 seconds in NCAA), well, it's a tough but understandable loss.
Post by: meow meow on March 27, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
That said, kentucky would have had 20 blocks in that game. Going 5 guards was stupid and they made 25 layups as a result.
LOL, our best rim protector was one of those five guards. LOL at the thought of any of our bigs protecting the rim
They had some acrobatic shots go in, but the open or barely contested layups are an example of a terrific offensive game plan against our D. Loyola was much faster than we were, and we had no real ability to make up for it. They never let our defense settle-in and used a pass-and-attack approach that we weren't prepared for, or possibly even able to defend. Simply put, Loyola had some crucial, lucky shots go-in and we had unlucky in-and-outs almost all game, couple that with the quickness and execution of their offense and us having no real rim defender to cover (thank God for no 3 seconds in NCAA), well, it's a tough but understandable loss.
yep, just bad luck
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 09:04:52 AM
Post by: meow meow on March 27, 2018, 09:22:54 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on March 27, 2018, 09:40:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 09:59:25 AM
They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
well here's their first three of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/DL48jHs.png)
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhN6S3i.png)
you can relive them all here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b191evqWAwE
I only watched the first half and none of the threes made were difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2018, 10:13:01 AM
They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
well here's their first three of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/DL48jHs.png)
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhN6S3i.png)
you can relive them all here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b191evqWAwE
I only watched the first half and none of the threes made were difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
It wasn't Custer, it was Richards. I think we started the game helping off of him and it burned us. He hit the first one wide open, then he just went nuts. Some of those were guarded, some not. Also, as the game went a long we also started closing out hard and then they drove us. We just never got into any defensive rhythm, the absolutely destroyed us and we had no answer.
Post by: PIPE on March 27, 2018, 10:27:59 AM
They had wide open shots and had contested shots. They just made them.
Post by: sys on March 27, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
:lol:
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
Still shouldn't be helping off a 39% three point shooter like that.They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
well here's their first three of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/DL48jHs.png)
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhN6S3i.png)
you can relive them all here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b191evqWAwE
I only watched the first half and none of the threes made were difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
It wasn't Custer, it was Richards. I think we started the game helping off of him and it burned us. He hit the first one wide open, then he just went nuts. Some of those were guarded, some not. Also, as the game went a long we also started closing out hard and then they drove us. We just never got into any defensive rhythm, the absolutely destroyed us and we had no answer.
This is a good watch: https://youtu.be/ekmw3Qf2eBY
Post by: sys on March 27, 2018, 11:11:21 AM
This is a good watch: https://youtu.be/ekmw3Qf2eBY
that was great, especially the tips on how to improve my vision.
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
Post by: sys on March 27, 2018, 11:44:59 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2018, 11:46:48 AM
Still shouldn't be helping off a 39% three point shooter like that.
This is a good watch: https://youtu.be/ekmw3Qf2eBY
Oh, that's awful defense. I'm pretty sure Kam got lost on that because he ended up guarding Custer who was already being guarded by Barry. I guess all those JOCO guys look alike or something.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 12:13:17 PM
They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
well here's their first three of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/DL48jHs.png)
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhN6S3i.png)
you can relive them all here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b191evqWAwE
I only watched the first half and none of the threes made were difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean, 1 or the 2 you show is guarded, and the shot chart belies your statement re corner 3's, and you didn't watch the second half, but other than that, strong take.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
Commenting on a game you admittedly didn't watch is such a dumbfuck move. Probably the dumbfuckiest thing that repeatedly appears in the basketball threads. These are usually the same fucktards apologizing for the dreadful officiating we typically see.I watched the game but didn't watch the second half highlights.
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 12:33:26 PM
Which one is guarded?They also travelled a lot. I don't recall very many "wide open" 3's. I remember a host of turnaround 3's going in, and a lot of wild reverse layups.
well here's their first three of the game
(https://i.imgur.com/DL48jHs.png)
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rhN6S3i.png)
you can relive them all here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b191evqWAwE
I only watched the first half and none of the threes made were difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean, 1 or the 2 you show is guarded, and the shot chart belies your statement re corner 3's, and you didn't watch the second half, but other than that, strong take.
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rosRPeL.png)
then the next time down the court they ran the exact same high post handoff for a layup
(https://i.imgur.com/5WYJg5y.png)
Post by: ednksu on March 27, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
Post by: meow meow on March 27, 2018, 04:35:48 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Q8cU0Ij.png)
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:05:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 27, 2018, 06:14:32 PM
They had a guy go 6 of 7 from 3, and score more points than he ever had in his life. If you wanna argue that's normal (even though you didn't watch the game), then by all means continue the charade. The other players were a combined 3 for 11.
even if he had gone 2/7 they still probably win comfortably
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4Z9pb0I0UdqQydBM9F/giphy.gif)
:lol:
(it was a flop though, Stokes was super late and barely touched him)
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
what on earth is McGuirl doing on this "transition" 3? No wonder he never played before we were desparate.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
"turn around"
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4Z9pb0I0UdqQydBM9F/giphy.gif)
:lol:
(it was a flop though, Stokes was super late and barely touched him)
You calling that a set shot :lol:
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 06:33:38 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/149JpPS794yvhTaUqP/giphy.gif)
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 06:34:16 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Your position is as fluid as your reason why the 2018 team was no better than any of Frank's teams.
Anecdote after anecdote to support an ever evolving bullshit position.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
They had a guy go 6 of 7 from 3, and score more points than he ever had in his life. If you wanna argue that's normal (even though you didn't watch the game), then by all means continue the charade. The other players were a combined 3 for 11.
even if he had gone 2/7 they still probably win comfortably
Agreed.
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 06:37:56 PM
Nearly every 3 was ungaurded in the corner has devolved into look at these 4 screen shots :lol:
Your position is as fluid as your reason why the 2018 team was no better than any of Frank's teams.
Anecdote after anecdote to support an ever evolving bullshit position.
I said all the first half threes were from the corner
Pretty much all their three point opportunities in the first half were created by a corner defender needlessly helping off a corner three point shooter. Like you can't be this far away from a shooter as good as Custer and expect to close out in time.
(https://i.imgur.com/kYKWKlO.png)
oh gee look at that
:lol:
Post by: CHONGS on March 27, 2018, 06:38:51 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:42:24 PM
AMAZE
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:43:39 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 27, 2018, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 27, 2018, 06:56:38 PM
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
A) Shitty shooting %'s (sometimes including free throws!) from the first 3 opponents were due to great KSU defense, while Loyola's great shooting % was due to KSU's shitty defense.
B) KSU got lucky with opponents' shooting in the first 3 games and unlucky with Loyola's shooting.
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2018, 07:41:55 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 27, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
So what puts KSU in a better light?
A) Shitty shooting %'s (sometimes including free throws!) from the first 3 opponents were due to great KSU defense, while Loyola's great shooting % was due to KSU's shitty defense.
B) KSU got lucky with opponents' shooting in the first 3 games and unlucky with Loyola's shooting.
I'm really over this discussion, but at the risk of :takingthebait: I'll just say none of the games involved luck as the deciding factor. As some of the hbbiq posters stated going into the game, Loyola was a bad matchup for the dean-less Cats. Their offense has been humming all tournament so far, so I certainly don't think you could call it a fluke from a game-by-game standpoint.
I also do not buy into any argument that overall FT% is really THAT influenced by luck. We knew what we were doing with Kentucky by playing ultra aggressive on their incredibly bad FT shooter.
As I think about it, I'm beginning to believe oscar just put together an awesome game plan against Creighton and Kentucky that our guys were able to execute. For both of those games, oscar had extra time to prepare. For the short notice games, the lack of preparation showed, and we just could not play with the same intensity missing a key player who typically takes up a lot of minutes per game.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2018, 10:07:31 PM
this one is just to prove you wrong (he made it) but also show a terrible play by Mawien and McGuirl
(https://media.giphy.com/media/149JpPS794yvhTaUqP/giphy.gif)
McGuirl was helping like he should have, he can't give up a dunk there. The play was lost on the awful reach in the high post.
Post by: sys on March 27, 2018, 10:18:13 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2018, 10:22:36 PM
I think I was still mad at him for his defense after that doublethis one is just to prove you wrong (he made it) but also show a terrible play by Mawien and McGuirl
(https://media.giphy.com/media/149JpPS794yvhTaUqP/giphy.gif)
McGuirl was helping like he should have, he can't give up a dunk there. The play was lost on the awful reach in the high post.
(And I know it's out of sequence)
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2018, 10:36:47 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 29, 2018, 01:09:57 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/977678108630265856?s=19
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2018, 03:13:02 PM
Double dribble?No, but there was no reason for Brown to help in that situation. My goodness.
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/977678108630265856?s=19
Post by: sys on March 29, 2018, 04:29:19 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2018, 04:46:42 PM
he had richardson open for three on that play too. kstate's defense looks better live than it holds up on replay.Yeah McGuirl was in perfect position to both not help and still give up an open three. Pretty impressive.
Post by: cat97 on March 29, 2018, 05:54:55 PM
Loyola and Michigan will be an interesting game.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 29, 2018, 09:14:45 PM
Double dribble?No, but there was no reason for Brown to help in that situation. My goodness.
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/977678108630265856?s=19
He crossed over and pinned the ball on his hip.
Double dribble
Post by: sys on March 29, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
Double dribble?No, but there was no reason for Brown to help in that situation. My goodness.
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/977678108630265856?s=19
He crossed over and pinned the ball on his hip.
Double dribble
The ball definitely touched his hip but it wasn't pinned.
Post by: mocat on March 30, 2018, 12:45:42 PM
Post by: mocat on March 30, 2018, 12:46:10 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2018, 12:52:31 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 30, 2018, 08:25:26 PM
Post by: The Big Train on April 01, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
Post by: cat97 on April 01, 2018, 10:55:52 AM
Play broke down because Wainright could not contain Custer on the dribble. Wainright has gottten better at this as the year has gone on but he is still a defensive liability because of his inability to contain guys off the dribble. Needs to improve this area of his game in the off season.
Post by: sys on April 01, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
I thought he pinned it on his hip but when I looked at it with a full screen I change my mind. Not even sure it touched his hip.
correct. could have been called a carry, but even with the emphasis on carries, that's seldom called.
Post by: catastrophe on April 01, 2018, 09:34:34 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 01, 2018, 10:45:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2018, 11:10:06 PM
Is a carry and a double dribble really a different call? Seems like two terms for the same thing/principle.
The proper mechanics are to call double dribble.
Post by: Trim on April 01, 2018, 11:26:38 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 02, 2018, 09:51:12 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2018, 10:20:27 AM
If the right call had been made, was that the fulcrum? Do we go on to win that game? Are we playing for a natty tonight? I say hang the banner
Nah, but the fulcrum was probably X's missed 3 the possession immediately prior to this one.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 02, 2018, 10:24:59 AM
If the right call had been made, was that the fulcrum? Do we go on to win that game? Are we playing for a natty tonight? I say hang the banner
Nobody ever asserted it made one iota of difference in the outcome of the game.
Post by: sys on April 02, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on April 02, 2018, 11:40:48 AM
If the right call had been made, was that the fulcrum? Do we go on to win that game? Are we playing for a natty tonight? I say hang the banner
Nah, but the fulcrum was probably X's missed 3 the possession immediately prior to this one.
When the lead would have been cut to two? And then they turned around and made a 3 didn't they?
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2018, 11:52:28 AM
If the right call had been made, was that the fulcrum? Do we go on to win that game? Are we playing for a natty tonight? I say hang the banner
Nah, but the fulcrum was probably X's missed 3 the possession immediately prior to this one.
When the lead would have been cut to two? And then they turned around and made a 3 didn't they?
Yes, it was the possession right before the alleged double dribble clip above that resulted in an and one. They got back to back and ones after that missed 3.