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Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2018, 08:43:22 PM
I hope he transfers
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Don't be a rough ridin' douche, Greg.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
There isn't much oscar can do about it right now, he needs to get some minutes. All we can hope for is that he shakes whatever this is during the summer.
Post by: cat97 on March 09, 2018, 08:54:49 PM
Kam had started to play so well bfore he got hurt, it's sad. He doesn't look like his injury is the reason for Kam's problems right now. I guess it could be if his foot isn't fully healed and he's having trouble jumping on his shot, it doesn't appear that's the case though.Good post. Stokes was shooting over 40% from three before his injury. He needs to keep getting some minutes and taking a few threes to see if he gets his stroke back. Same with Sneed. Both need to limit the number of threes they take till they start hitting again. Lets hope its next week.
There isn't much oscar can do about it right now, he needs to get some minutes. All we can hope for is that he shakes whatever this is during the summer.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 09, 2018, 09:37:15 PM
Stokes at the end of last year was shooting a terrible % too. One issue I have is if he is 2-7 on FGs he seems to do very little else to really help us
* Last 12 games last year- 28% 3pt, 29% 2pt
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
I'm actually fine if he decides to finish his career somewhere else. I hate to say that, but that's where I'm at.
That's crazy. McGuirl hasn't come close to proving that he's any better and Kam at his best is better than anything Cartier has done.
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 09, 2018, 10:37:36 PM
I'm actually fine if he decides to finish his career somewhere else. I hate to say that, but that's where I'm at.Agreed
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Post by: stunted on March 09, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2018, 10:43:55 PM
I'm actually fine if he decides to finish his career somewhere else. I hate to say that, but that's where I'm at.Holy cow that's crazy reactionary. I've never been a huge Kam fan but there's no way he's 100% and he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.
Post by: sys on March 09, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.
not really. i mean he can play in this league, but as a starting pg he's probably 10th out of 10.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 09, 2018, 11:01:18 PM
Post by: sys on March 09, 2018, 11:03:58 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 09, 2018, 11:35:52 PM
he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.
not really. i mean he can play in this league, but as a starting pg he's probably 10th out of 10.
But he's not a starting point guard anymore. What's not being discussed is how his move to the bench may be affecting his game. oscar and Chris has said they moved him to the bench to give the bench more scoring but it's pretty clear he isn't close to his best in this role. If he stays here and continues to be our 6th man he'll be more effective given time to adjust to the role.
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2018, 11:38:14 PM
By what measures?he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.
not really. i mean he can play in this league, but as a starting pg he's probably 10th out of 10.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 10, 2018, 12:10:32 AM
Post by: sys on March 10, 2018, 12:30:23 AM
By what measures?he has proven over ~2 seasons that he's a competent B12 guard.
not really. i mean he can play in this league, but as a starting pg he's probably 10th out of 10.
he's a poor defender and one dimensional on offense. and he's not like off the charts in that dimension. over 3 years, he's 35% from 3. orating hovering around 100 without being asked to do too much (low 20s % usage).
i don't want to take the time to compare him to every pg in the conference, but honestly it's not even close for most teams. i guess maybe you could argue texas? but most teams have 2, 3 or 4 players that could play pg better than him, so i'll stick by the point. hell, kstate has 2 players that play point better than him.
Post by: sys on March 10, 2018, 12:34:22 AM
But he's not a starting point guard anymore. What's not being discussed is how his move to the bench may be affecting his game. oscar and Chris has said they moved him to the bench to give the bench more scoring but it's pretty clear he isn't close to his best in this role. If he stays here and continues to be our 6th man he'll be more effective given time to adjust to the role.
he'd be useful off the bench. not sure i'd have him as high as 6th man. i think they'd probably be better off with wainright as the first guard off the bench. he's not the shooter stokes is, but kstate has plenty of guys that can score.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 10, 2018, 01:54:33 AM
That doesn't change my mind that he has been Pretty bad post injury and his shooting is crap right now, and he wasn't really a good player the last dozen games last year. His careless TOs at the end of last year drove me crazy....but he has been better this year in cutting those down.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
Can we recruit over stokes? NoLol. Stop.
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Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
Maybe we have already. Isn't Shaun Williams, 6-3 point guard from St. Louis our only commit?Can we recruit over stokes? NoLol. Stop.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 10, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Post by: renocat on March 10, 2018, 12:14:28 PM
Yes and Mcguirl looks promising. Diarra has literally been recruited over him.Seems McGuirl is a natural point guard and Stokes a better 2 guard. Wacky, how much will Shaun Williams impact the guard situation? Do we have a chance at Mark Smith? You bet on both Stokes and Patrick leaving?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2018, 12:34:09 PM
Yes and Mcguirl looks promising. Diarra has literally been recruited over him.
Cartier was not recruited over Kam, wacky. Cartier was recruited when Kam was a freshman. Williams and McGuirl weren't recruited over Kam either. No one will be recruited over Kam. Williams was recruited over Brian Patrick and Trice is being recruited over Sallah.
Post by: pissclams on March 10, 2018, 01:04:24 PM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 10, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Gordon was good at defense at least
I like this.
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Post by: stunted on March 10, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
agree though i dont want us to chance it in the tourney and seems likely he'll still get limited minutes anyways
Post by: sys on March 10, 2018, 02:48:22 PM
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2018, 03:42:35 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 10, 2018, 03:54:47 PM
their turnovers/40 is comparable to any other decent big 12 point guard :jerk:strawman
our lack of talent b/w the 4-5 increases the importance of the 2’s on our roster
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 10, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
their turnovers/40 is comparable to any other decent big 12 point guard :jerk:
christ, it's like you're illiterate.
Post by: stunted on March 10, 2018, 04:06:26 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2018, 08:52:12 PM
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 10, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.(https://manniloccmsp.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gary-coleman-as-arnold-diffrent-strokes-18022862-640-480.jpg)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 10, 2018, 09:31:21 PM
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
Good for you, well done
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Post by: Powercat Posse on March 10, 2018, 10:07:37 PM
I would take 40-41% 3pt and 43-45% 2pt because he would be over 50 on eFG. In 34 games vs B12 teams last 2 years he is only 38.6% eFG.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 11, 2018, 03:02:39 PM
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
Good for you, well done
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Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2018, 05:54:08 PM
There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
Good for you, well done
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Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up
:clap:
Post by: kstofer on March 12, 2018, 12:12:51 AM
LOW HANGING FRUIT CATThere's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
Good for you, well done
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Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on March 12, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Hey BIG APPLE CAT You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have the facts of life.There's no doubt that since the injury he's been a diff'rent Stokes.
Good for you, well done
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Yeah yeah, pretty basic low hanging fruit there, I know. I'll see to it that the quality of my future posts are movin on up
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Post by: sys on March 16, 2018, 09:21:57 PM
Y'all still trying to take my guy's scholarship, or no?
with the mcguirl guard showing some promise, the concept of running him off makes more sense.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2018, 09:46:49 PM
Y'all still trying to take my guy's scholarship, or no?
with the mcguirl guard showing some promise, the concept of running him off makes more sense.
They seemed to play well together tonight. McGuirl isn't a point. Cardi has had a pretty awful last month of the season, he's clearly hit the wall which is understandable given this is his first year of CBB and he's coming off of a torn ACL.
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 16, 2018, 10:00:21 PM
you're really an bad person, mir.I'll allow it.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2018, 11:09:06 PM
you're really an bad person, mir.
That's rich considering the current conversation. Coach Wooden is telling us that a guy who hasn't played one second of point guard is the first or second best point guard on the roster, along with another guy who doesn't play the point, and I'm the bad person for mocking such dumbfuckedry. Whatever, I'll be that.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 16, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 16, 2018, 11:20:26 PM
I mean, sys is right. I don't know if MiR is being any more curt than normal, but McGuirl has shown more feel for the floor in two games than Kam has his entire career. I honestly don't think that's super controversial. Like, it seems obvious. Is it not obvious?I'm looking forward to the day where one of your posts contains an actual fact.
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Post by: sys on March 16, 2018, 11:22:01 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 16, 2018, 11:27:08 PM
i wouldn't stake my life on mcguirl being a better pg than stokes, but only because i've only seen him play like 20 minutes or so. i would on brown. brown is a better pg than stokes, he's a better combo than stokes, he's a better wing than stokes and he's a better big than stokes.
The entry pass over the top tonight was really the only thing I needed to see. Kam has never made that pass and will never make that pass, because he can't. Pretty good shooter when he's going right, but a point guard he is not.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
I mean, sys is right. I don't know if MiR is being any more curt than normal, but McGuirl has shown more feel for the floor in two games than Kam has his entire career. I honestly don't think that's super controversial. Like, it seems obvious. Is it not obvious?
They aren't serving anything remotely close to the same role, are you guys trolling? Not only isn't McGuirl the primary ball handler, he isn't being asked to handle the ball at all.
McGuirl asserting himself making Stokes more expendable seems to ridiculous to be an actual thing for anyone watching the games. Nearly all of McGuirl's minutes have come with Kam on the floor, handling the damn ball, he played 38 minutes. Am I missing something here?
Post by: sys on March 16, 2018, 11:31:17 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 16, 2018, 11:34:34 PM
I mean, sys is right. I don't know if MiR is being any more curt than normal, but McGuirl has shown more feel for the floor in two games than Kam has his entire career. I honestly don't think that's super controversial. Like, it seems obvious. Is it not obvious?
They aren't serving anything remotely close to the same role, are you guys trolling? Not only isn't McGuirl the primary ball handler, he isn't being asked to handle the ball at all.
McGuirl asserting himself making Stokes more expendable seems to ridiculous to be an actual thing for anyone watching the games. Nearly all of McGuirl's minutes have come with Kam on the floor, handling the damn ball, he played 38 minutes. Am I missing something here?
I don't think it makes him more expendable. We have eight good basketball players on our team, plenty of minutes to go around, but Stokes should play less PG because of McGuirl. Stokes pounds the ball because he doesn't see the floor well, not a real great natural feel for how an offense flows. Early signs that McGuirl does have that natural sense of how things are supposed to flow.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 16, 2018, 11:42:58 PM
Post by: cat97 on March 16, 2018, 11:53:12 PM
Comment from Diarra about Stokes game tonight:
On how much confidence teammate Deathbite can take from his performance
“It is going to be great. He needed to see a couple of shots fall and he has seen that. Hopefully, that
pushes him and he makes more shots next game and just keeps moving forward. He is a huge threat.
Before he got hurt, he was averaging 15 [points]. He is very capable. He has been in a little shooting
slump, but tonight it seemed like he was getting out of it, so we are really happy with that.”
Post by: MakeItRain on March 16, 2018, 11:55:57 PM
I don't think it makes him more expendable.
Am I drunk? This is exactly what sys was saying
Y'all still trying to take my guy's scholarship, or no?
with the mcguirl guard showing some promise, the concept of running him off makes more sense.
you replied by saying this:
I mean, sys is right. I don't know if MiR is being any more curt than normal, but McGuirl has shown more feel for the floor in two games than Kam has his entire career. I honestly don't think that's super controversial. Like, it seems obvious. Is it not obvious?
Do you agree with him or not?
It doesn't matter, Kam will be a senior next year and Cardi is a sophomore. Mike will continue to play off of the ball for at least one more season.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 17, 2018, 12:04:04 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2018, 12:10:15 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2018, 10:28:23 AM
IMO it's absurd to say McGuirl is or isn't anything when he's played like 40 minutes all season
It's factual that he hasn't spent a single second as our primary ball handler this season.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 17, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
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Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2018, 03:40:05 PM
Even if that's true it doesn't mean that he can't or won't ever be the primary ball handler over the course of his career. He's barely played.IMO it's absurd to say McGuirl is or isn't anything when he's played like 40 minutes all season
It's factual that he hasn't spent a single second as our primary ball handler this season.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 17, 2018, 11:30:54 PM
Even if that's true it doesn't mean that he can't or won't ever be the primary ball handler over the course of his career. He's barely played.IMO it's absurd to say McGuirl is or isn't anything when he's played like 40 minutes all season
It's factual that he hasn't spent a single second as our primary ball handler this season.
no one contended that
Post by: dal9 on March 18, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
Y'all still trying to take my guy's scholarship, or no?so hard to decide sometimes
edit: and this posted before he hit the side of the backboard on the corner 3 (granted, not a great pass by Diarra)
Post by: mocat on March 18, 2018, 08:52:03 PM
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Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Why did our coach tackle stokes when he was coming off the floor?Hopefully because he declined to take the wide open corner three
Post by: mocat on March 18, 2018, 08:57:20 PM
Why did our coach tackle stokes when he was coming off the floor?"That dub drib was hilarious and it's been way too long since ive seen one so part of me enjoyed it, but it was not your fault"
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Post by: EMAWzifried on March 18, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
Post by: sys on March 18, 2018, 09:28:21 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2018, 09:34:58 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2018, 10:59:42 PM
Honestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
Post by: cfbandyman on March 18, 2018, 11:44:38 PM
Honestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
That an a decent amount of this team during this game, except when we finally turned in around late in the first half, it was like we pretended their defense was an impenetrable fortress and attacking the rim was forbidden or something.
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 18, 2018, 11:51:40 PM
Honestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
That an a decent amount of this team during this game, except when we finally turned in around late in the first half, it was like we pretended their defense was an impenetrable fortress and attacking the rim was forbidden or something.
I kept yelling attack the rim. I have no idea why Oscar went slow ball against an inferior team.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2018, 11:53:57 PM
An inferior team that also had a thinner bench than us and was exhausted from their previous gameHonestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
That an a decent amount of this team during this game, except when we finally turned in around late in the first half, it was like we pretended their defense was an impenetrable fortress and attacking the rim was forbidden or something.
I kept yelling attack the rim. I have no idea why Oscar went slow ball against an inferior team.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 18, 2018, 11:54:00 PM
Cause Barry was tired AF and carti has butterfingers so I would have much rather play at that super slow pace rather than the speed of lightHonestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
That an a decent amount of this team during this game, except when we finally turned in around late in the first half, it was like we pretended their defense was an impenetrable fortress and attacking the rim was forbidden or something.
I kept yelling attack the rim. I have no idea why Oscar went slow ball against an inferior team.
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Post by: cfbandyman on March 19, 2018, 12:11:01 AM
Cause Barry was tired AF and carti has butterfingers so I would have much rather play at that super slow pace rather than the speed of lightHonestly what pissed me off most about Stokes was his complete fear of attacking the basket in any way. No matter what, every catch started with a nice second and a half hesitation before looking to pass away from the basket. Ugh
qft, what the hell is he scared of?
That an a decent amount of this team during this game, except when we finally turned in around late in the first half, it was like we pretended their defense was an impenetrable fortress and attacking the rim was forbidden or something.
I kept yelling attack the rim. I have no idea why Oscar went slow ball against an inferior team.
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Even at a slow pace we are prone to fumbling the ball over.
Overall I feel like vs. Creighton, we played to win and with gusto, we weren't perfect but we did really well, probably in the top 3 games we played in terms of being efficient, smart, and making good plays. Vs. UMBC, we played like we were scared to be the 2nd team to lose to a 16 seed, and didn't know how to handle them and the situation. Though, given how I heard that UMBC didn't even really scout us, I bet we didn't even think to do so against them either, so it was like throwing two teams into a contest they knew nothing about each other and see WTF happens. Moral of the story though is, we should've attacked the rim like we were here to collect some outstanding loans.
Post by: The Whale on March 19, 2018, 07:35:13 AM
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2018, 07:44:24 AM
It seemed like the cats tried to drive early and after a couple of trips gerting grabbed / hacked with no call they backed off.
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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What a moron, if true
Post by: hatingfrancisco on March 19, 2018, 08:12:13 AM
It seemed like the cats tried to drive early and after a couple of trips gerting grabbed / hacked with no call they backed off.
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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What a moron, if true
I mean. He was right.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 19, 2018, 08:16:33 AM
It seemed like the cats tried to drive early and after a couple of trips gerting grabbed / hacked with no call they backed off.
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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What a moron, if true
This was my fav part of the game. You could hear him yell it several times. “We’re going to have to win it with defense guys”. “I’m all out of ideas on the other side of the ball”.
Post by: The Whale on March 19, 2018, 09:42:23 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2018, 09:58:14 AM
I more wanted them to increase tempo, not necessarily drive more.
It is weird they thought of UMBC as a fast paced team. I suppose oscar was scared of losing people in transition for 3s, which UMBC does like, but they didn't play particularly fast on offense, just a little bit faster than us on average.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2018, 10:04:14 AM
I more wanted them to increase tempo, not necessarily drive more.
It is weird they thought of UMBC as a fast paced team. I suppose oscar was scared of losing people in transition for 3s, which UMBC does like, but they didn't play particularly fast on offense, just a little bit faster than us on average.
they definitely TRY to play fast, if the initial transition opportunity isn't there they back it out and run clock. However, trying to push tempo on offense doesn't necessarily mean you are going to consequently give up transition buckets.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
I more wanted them to increase tempo, not necessarily drive more.
It is weird they thought of UMBC as a fast paced team. I suppose oscar was scared of losing people in transition for 3s, which UMBC does like, but they didn't play particularly fast on offense, just a little bit faster than us on average.
they definitely TRY to play fast, if the initial transition opportunity isn't there they back it out and run clock. However, trying to push tempo on offense doesn't necessarily mean you are going to consequently give up transition buckets.
I agree. But with us playing smaller, I'm sure the staff feared even worse rebounding and thus giving up some stuff in transition. Also, when Barry was struggling to finish on the break I was okay with slowing it down a bit. No one else on our team is really good in transition unless Sneed is dunking it.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2018, 10:20:08 AM
I more wanted them to increase tempo, not necessarily drive more.
It is weird they thought of UMBC as a fast paced team. I suppose oscar was scared of losing people in transition for 3s, which UMBC does like, but they didn't play particularly fast on offense, just a little bit faster than us on average.
they definitely TRY to play fast, if the initial transition opportunity isn't there they back it out and run clock. However, trying to push tempo on offense doesn't necessarily mean you are going to consequently give up transition buckets.
I agree. But with us playing smaller, I'm sure the staff feared even worse rebounding and thus giving up some stuff in transition. Also, when Barry was struggling to finish on the break I was okay with slowing it down a bit. No one else on our team is really good in transition unless Sneed is dunking it.
I'm not thinking of transition offense as just fast break layups, it's just trying to create better opportunities than you'd get in a half court set. Like the worst one was late in the second half when Myles was on the floor from a missed layup, we had a clear 5 on 4, then just walked it to the wing and let Myles recover, but there were several like that. Plus we should have been less fatigued than them and running from the start could have led to a blowout, even if we try to push every possession but pull back if it isn't there like UMBC did against UVA.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2018, 10:33:19 AM
I more wanted them to increase tempo, not necessarily drive more.
It is weird they thought of UMBC as a fast paced team. I suppose oscar was scared of losing people in transition for 3s, which UMBC does like, but they didn't play particularly fast on offense, just a little bit faster than us on average.
they definitely TRY to play fast, if the initial transition opportunity isn't there they back it out and run clock. However, trying to push tempo on offense doesn't necessarily mean you are going to consequently give up transition buckets.
I agree. But with us playing smaller, I'm sure the staff feared even worse rebounding and thus giving up some stuff in transition. Also, when Barry was struggling to finish on the break I was okay with slowing it down a bit. No one else on our team is really good in transition unless Sneed is dunking it.
I'm not thinking of transition offense as just fast break layups, it's just trying to create better opportunities than you'd get in a half court set. Like the worst one was late in the second half when Myles was on the floor from a missed layup, we had a clear 5 on 4, then just walked it to the wing and let Myles recover, but there were several like that. Plus we should have been less fatigued than them and running from the start could have led to a blowout, even if we try to push every possession but pull back if it isn't there like UMBC did against UVA.
Yeah, oscar has never been a big early offense guy, at least at K-State. Our late shot clock ball screen and let Barry drive it didn't do a whole lot, especially with Barry missing more than normal on his crazy lay ups.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 19, 2018, 02:22:49 PM
As far as the game, we didn't make 3s, probably why we didn't win handily. You could argue that not getting to the rim and scoring prevented us from getting decent looks from 3, but I felt like we were getting looks from deep, just not making them. I think the pace of play was largely due to limited scouting time, as people have noted, plus both teams are fairly slow pace of play anyways.
Kentucky has athletes and are probably playing their best ball of the season. They'll have significant time to prepare for us. We desperately need Deanwolf to be the best player on the floor Thursday in Atlanta. Will Mawien guard Knox? Or Dean?
Post by: pissclams on March 19, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
Kamau is thinking too much offensively. You can see his hesitation. He wasn't always this way. He belongs on this team, I'm kind of surprised how quickly people have reacted against him. That being said, he is playing awful basketball right now.
As far as the game, we didn't make 3s, probably why we didn't win handily. You could argue that not getting to the rim and scoring prevented us from getting decent looks from 3, but I felt like we were getting looks from deep, just not making them. I think the pace of play was largely due to limited scouting time, as people have noted, plus both teams are fairly slow pace of play anyways.
Kentucky has athletes and are probably playing their best ball of the season. They'll have significant time to prepare for us. We desperately need Deanwolf to be the best player on the floor Thursday in Atlanta. Will Mawien guard Knox? Or Dean?
several players are getting bruced this year, if i'm kam, i'm pulling my head out of my ass before i'm on the list
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2018, 03:04:29 PM
It seemed like the cats tried to drive early and after a couple of trips gerting grabbed / hacked with no call they backed off.
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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What a moron, if true
Did you not see this, the camera was directly in his face when he said it, I'm not sure the characterization of the context is fair because we have no idea what he said before that. I didn't interpret the context the same way the whale did.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2018, 03:05:44 PM
It seemed like the cats tried to drive early and after a couple of trips gerting grabbed / hacked with no call they backed off.
It was about the time oscar was livid (relatively, for him anyway) and was yelling "You're going to have to win it with defense guys"
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What a moron, if true
Did you not see this, the camera was directly in his face when he said it, I'm not sure the characterization of the context is fair because we have no idea what he said before that. I didn't interpret the context the same way the whale did.
I didn't see it
Post by: kslim on March 19, 2018, 03:22:09 PM
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 20, 2018, 10:51:34 AM
Kamau is thinking too much offensively. You can see his hesitation. He wasn't always this way. He belongs on this team, I'm kind of surprised how quickly people have reacted against him. That being said, he is playing awful basketball right now.
As far as the game, we didn't make 3s, probably why we didn't win handily. You could argue that not getting to the rim and scoring prevented us from getting decent looks from 3, but I felt like we were getting looks from deep, just not making them. I think the pace of play was largely due to limited scouting time, as people have noted, plus both teams are fairly slow pace of play anyways.
Kentucky has athletes and are probably playing their best ball of the season. They'll have significant time to prepare for us. We desperately need Deanwolf to be the best player on the floor Thursday in Atlanta. Will Mawien guard Knox? Or Dean?
several players are getting bruced this year, if i'm kam, i'm pulling my head out of my ass before i'm on the list
Who do you expect to get bruced?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 20, 2018, 10:54:53 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2018, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 20, 2018, 12:39:44 PM
I think Patrick and Sallah are pretty handsome contenders.
Yeah, and I think Shadd or Love hits the bricks as well.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2018, 01:07:04 PM
Kam's jumper at the 7 minute mark right after he nearly turned it over was a pretty big shot.Every made shot on a game where you score 0.75 PPP is a big shot
Post by: Kat Kid on March 20, 2018, 08:02:37 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 20, 2018, 10:04:11 PM
I want us to create more fast break chances too, ur we were atrocious in transition. We had fast breaks end in zero points a lot.
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We had fast breaks end in charges a lot
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
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Post by: cat97 on March 21, 2018, 08:41:23 AM
I thought this was the Stokes thread.My bad.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 21, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
I want us to create more fast break chances too, ur we were atrocious in transition. We had fast breaks end in zero points a lot.
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I second this, but at least against UMBC our transition D was good, they didn't get much in the fast break either.
Post by: stunted on March 21, 2018, 05:23:55 PM
Post by: cat97 on March 21, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
if he's not 100% now, what was he when he came back, 30%? him coming back too soon worked out poorly for everyone involvedIt didn't work out too bad. We're in the sweet 16.
After reading about a Jones fracture, I am surprised Stokes has been able to play.
This is from a medical site on the web so it has to be correct: A person who has had surgery to repair a Jones fracture can expect a return to all activity, including sports, 3-4 months after surgery. However, the doctor may recommend a period of physical therapy to recondition the injured area.
Post by: nitrocat on March 21, 2018, 11:49:48 PM
if he's not 100% now, what was he when he came back, 30%? him coming back too soon worked out poorly for everyone involvedIt didn't work out too bad. We're in the sweet 16.
After reading about a Jones fracture, I am surprised Stokes has been able to play.
This is from a medical site on the web so it has to be correct: A person who has had surgery to repair a Jones fracture can expect a return to all activity, including sports, 3-4 months after surgery. However, the doctor may recommend a period of physical therapy to recondition the injured area.
Most Jones fractures don't require surgery.
Post by: cat97 on March 23, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
Stokes played 39 minutes last night. Four steals, five rebounds, three assists and two turnovers. Six points on 2 for 7 although at least two of his shots were taken with the shot clock about to expire.
His defense was very disruptive to Kentucky. I hope that most posters are now looking forward to him being back next year and competing to start and for playing time with Diarra, McQuirl and Williams. He is a valuable player for us and showed that last night.
Post by: catastrophe on March 23, 2018, 02:41:53 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 23, 2018, 02:52:05 PM
Totally agree, Mak.
Stokes played 39 minutes last night. Four steals, five rebounds, three assists and two turnovers. Six points on 2 for 7 although at least two of his shots were taken with the shot clock about to expire.
His defense was very disruptive to Kentucky. I hope that most posters are now looking forward to him being back next year and competing to start and for playing time with Diarra, McQuirl and Williams. He is a valuable player for us and showed that last night.
The guard situation is shaping up to be an embarrassment of riches in 2018-19.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2018, 03:15:30 PM
Post by: 8manpick on March 23, 2018, 04:53:02 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.daily-chronicle.com%2F_internal%2Fcimg%210%2Fh0dhfd6ehrmqu1ctrhceb8sz0smv121&hash=87c972c260426d8417a4ae14eb6a752aac578668)
I'm betting on this guy:
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/makol-mawien-of-the-kansas-state-wildcats-dunks-on-the-umbc-during-picture-id933797406)
Post by: mocat on March 23, 2018, 04:58:29 PM
Post by: schreds21 on February 27, 2023, 07:39:10 PM
https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article272614114.html
Post by: OK_Cat on February 27, 2023, 07:40:31 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2023, 08:52:25 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 27, 2023, 09:03:14 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 27, 2023, 09:08:50 PM
Quote
Deathbite, who played point guard for those teams, is happy to provide an answer.
“We definitely would have won the NCAA Tournament,” Stokes said during a wide-ranging interview that you can hear on today’s episode of The Star’s SportsBeat KC podcast. “For sure. Absolutely, no question.”
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 27, 2023, 09:36:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2023, 12:41:13 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on February 28, 2023, 08:51:52 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 28, 2023, 08:59:37 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on February 28, 2023, 10:35:47 AM
I think it's fair to give them the final four. I don't know which team is better, it'd be a hell of a game though.
Where I sit, we would've/could've had a FF vs Loyola with a healthy Dean. Just as we would've/could've had a FF with a rested non-double OT game vs Xavier when we played Butler, but both didn't happen.
But it's all mute, would be a legit good game, and I love Kam, but also no, most likely not won any Natty's with a healthy Dean.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 28, 2023, 10:45:48 AM
I want a Final 4 so bad. The Ghost of Pontiac continues to haunt me.I think it's fair to give them the final four. I don't know which team is better, it'd be a hell of a game though.
Where I sit, we would've/could've had a FF vs Loyola with a healthy Dean. Just as we would've/could've had a FF with a rested non-double OT game vs Xavier when we played Butler, but both didn't happen.
But it's all mute, would be a legit good game, and I love Kam, but also no, most likely not won any Natty's with a healthy Dean.
Post by: ChiComCat on February 28, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
Kam says we would have won the champy with DWade healthy. Also says those two oscar teams would have mopped the floor with the Tang Gang.
https://amp.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article272614114.html
Shooters gonna shoot
Post by: OK_Cat on February 28, 2023, 11:13:37 AM
I think it's fair to give them the final four. I don't know which team is better, it'd be a hell of a game though.
Where I sit, we would've/could've had a FF vs Loyola with a healthy Dean. Just as we would've/could've had a FF with a rested non-double OT game vs Xavier when we played Butler, but both didn't happen.
But it's all mute, would be a legit good game, and I love Kam, but also no, most likely not won any Natty's with a healthy Dean.
:D
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 28, 2023, 01:45:21 PM
Post by: KSNimrod on February 28, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
Sounds like something that someone who was coached under oscar would say.
It's sad really. To think that if only a few more of those guys would have scored higher on the play hard chart... Dean wouldn't have been robbed of so much glory and we'd have 2 Natty banners in the OOD. :Crybaby:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 28, 2023, 03:33:15 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on February 28, 2023, 05:45:42 PM
I think it's fair to give them the final four. I don't know which team is better, it'd be a hell of a game though.
Where I sit, we would've/could've had a FF vs Loyola with a healthy Dean. Just as we would've/could've had a FF with a rested non-double OT game vs Xavier when we played Butler, but both didn't happen.
But it's all mute, would be a legit good game, and I love Kam, but also no, most likely not won any Natty's with a healthy Dean.
:D
I should stay mute on all things moot
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2023, 08:26:48 PM
i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
Post by: Kat Kid on February 28, 2023, 08:57:48 PM
Jacob Pullen
The Flush
Marcus Foster
Denis Clemente
Angel Rodriguez
Kam Stokes
Post by: michigancat on February 28, 2023, 09:20:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 28, 2023, 10:33:03 PM
I don't think that team beats Virginia
Maybe, maybe not. The beauty of the tournament is that you play the team in front of you. I'm sure not going to be the one saying the only 1 seed to ever lose to a 16 would beat anyone.
Post by: OK_Cat on February 28, 2023, 11:06:04 PM
No. I’m not sure that anyone in the last ten years is memorable. I’d be in quite a pickle if someone put a gun to my head and asked me to name 5 players from the past decade (not counting this year, obvs)i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
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Post by: michigancat on March 01, 2023, 04:14:20 AM
I don't think that team beats Virginia
Maybe, maybe not. The beauty of the tournament is that you play the team in front of you. I'm sure not going to be the one saying the only 1 seed to ever lose to a 16 would beat anyone.
Well I mean this is all theoretical but Virginia did win the tournament the year I thought we were discussing.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 01, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2023, 10:47:47 AM
No. I’m not sure that anyone in the last ten years is memorable. I’d be in quite a pickle if someone put a gun to my head and asked me to name 5 players from the past decade (not counting this year, obvs)i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
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So, yes.
We've won two conference championships and been to three elite 8s in your lifetime. He was the starting point guard for 1 of each of those. He's the only point guard since like the 60s to have a conference championship and an elite 8.
Post by: stunted on March 01, 2023, 11:07:46 AM
i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
:lol:
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 01, 2023, 11:13:51 AM
Post by: Tobias on March 01, 2023, 11:20:43 AM
i legit don't even remember which guy he is
deathbite, iirc
Post by: OK_Cat on March 01, 2023, 11:58:15 AM
That’s great, I’m happy for you. A lot of us didn’t watch much during the Webber years because it was a boring and loser brand of basketball. I watch sports to be entertained, so when I’m not entertained I don’t watch. Not a ‘look at me’ thing, just making an observation that I do not remember the guy.No. I’m not sure that anyone in the last ten years is memorable. I’d be in quite a pickle if someone put a gun to my head and asked me to name 5 players from the past decade (not counting this year, obvs)i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
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So, yes.
We've won two conference championships and been to three elite 8s in your lifetime. He was the starting point guard for 1 of each of those. He's the only point guard since like the 60s to have a conference championship and an elite 8.
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Post by: nicname on March 01, 2023, 01:52:17 PM
While Kam's statement could be considered hyperbolic, I think it is cool / admirable that he loved / believed in his team that much.
Yeah.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 01, 2023, 02:31:55 PM
That’s great, I’m happy for you. A lot of us didn’t watch much during the Webber years because it was a boring and loser brand of basketball. I watch sports to be entertained, so when I’m not entertained I don’t watch. Not a ‘look at me’ thing, just making an observation that I do not remember the guy.No. I’m not sure that anyone in the last ten years is memorable. I’d be in quite a pickle if someone put a gun to my head and asked me to name 5 players from the past decade (not counting this year, obvs)i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
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So, yes.
We've won two conference championships and been to three elite 8s in your lifetime. He was the starting point guard for 1 of each of those. He's the only point guard since like the 60s to have a conference championship and an elite 8.
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so edgy
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2023, 03:14:50 PM
That’s great, I’m happy for you. A lot of us didn’t watch much during the Webber years because it was a boring and loser brand of basketball. I watch sports to be entertained, so when I’m not entertained I don’t watch. Not a ‘look at me’ thing, just making an observation that I do not remember the guy.No. I’m not sure that anyone in the last ten years is memorable. I’d be in quite a pickle if someone put a gun to my head and asked me to name 5 players from the past decade (not counting this year, obvs)i legit don't even remember which guy he is
We're still doing the ignorance for clout thing?
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So, yes.
We've won two conference championships and been to three elite 8s in your lifetime. He was the starting point guard for 1 of each of those. He's the only point guard since like the 60s to have a conference championship and an elite 8.
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I don't want to pile on but you were the first person to reply to schreds post of the article link. The article told the reader exactly who Kam Stokes is, so either you didn't read the article you commented on, or you were being ignorant for clout.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2023, 03:16:28 PM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 01, 2023, 04:22:48 PM
Pretty robust discussion from the 2018 tournament run on the early pages of this thread. I miss that.I had to go back and look at the trash that I talked that was so damned out of pocket. My how things change
I'm gonna be honest Stokes was one of the most fun players on that team to watch especially when he was on and firing on all cylinders like he was the second half of the 2018 Regular Season. He had one of the nastiest jab step three balls in the league that year and my god was it a thing of beauty. Now that he is back and living in Manhattan full time I think is great to have him and around the younger guys during his offseason.
I don't like to talk theoreticals but I truly believe the guard D that Coach Frazier was able to instill in the guards over their time here was a thing of beauty and to see how they would match up with Tang's Inaugural gang would be so much fun.
I have to take the guys that were in MHK while I was there because that squad means the world to me.
So I have Kam and the gang winning against the Tang Gang.