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Title: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Kat Kid on February 14, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/former-baylor-president-told-employee-delete-scandal-related-emails-motion-claims/fIXqV9GBf3790fnxD8cs2O/ (http://www.statesman.com/news/local/former-baylor-president-told-employee-delete-scandal-related-emails-motion-claims/fIXqV9GBf3790fnxD8cs2O/)

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Attorneys in a sexual assault lawsuit against Baylor University say they’ve obtained records that suggest a former Baylor interim president told an administrator to delete emails related to the suit.
The allegation was in a motion, filed Wednesday, and is the latest development in a federal civil rights lawsuit in which several women have accused the Waco-based university of repeatedly mishandling, ignoring or stifling claims of sexual and physical abuse of students.

The attorneys for the 10 women claim in the motion that they’ve obtained an email that shows that then-interim President David Garland wrote to a “high-level Baylor athletics official” and told him, “I would erase the emails.”
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: steve dave on February 14, 2018, 08:15:31 PM
Oof


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Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: manpow5 on February 14, 2018, 08:19:17 PM
Obviously the he should have called Hillary Clinton... she would have known what to do..............
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: i poo crabs on February 14, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
Obviously the he should have called Hillary Clinton... she would have known what to do..............

And trump would have been busy engaging in the sexual assault.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: HerrSonntag on February 14, 2018, 10:43:25 PM
Obviously the he should have called Hillary Clinton... she would have known what to do..............

And trump would have been busy engaging in the sexual assault.
you guys are cute
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: manpow5 on February 19, 2018, 12:31:48 PM
Obviously the he should have called Hillary Clinton... she would have known what to do..............

And trump would have been busy engaging in the sexual assault.

Him and Bill would have really enjoyed Baylor....

Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on February 21, 2018, 02:42:03 PM
So....can we kick them out yet?
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: felix rex on February 27, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
Emailing someone to tell them they should delete emails for shady legal reasons is amazing.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: justanotherguy on March 14, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/22760061/two-baylor-football-players-suspended-sexual-assault-allegations

SMDH
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: BackPayne on March 14, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
Holy rough ridin' hell!  Burn that place to the ground!
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: slackcat on March 14, 2018, 08:06:55 PM
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"These are the issues everywhere. This isn't a Baylor thing. This is an 'our world' thing.

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A reporter referenced two of Rhule's staff who were fired near the start of his tenure, one was a coach arrested in connection with a prostitution sting and another was a staff member who reportedly sent inappropriate text messages to a teenager, and asked, "Are you worried at all about the culture of the program?"

"No, not at all," Rhule said without hesitation.

Compared to this:

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Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton -- which was hired by the school's board of regents to investigate whether the school properly handled allegations of sexual assault by students, including football players -- was critical of the culture within the football program and Briles' discipline of players. Pepper Hamilton's findings described Baylor's football players as being "above the rules" with "no culture of accountability for misconduct."

Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: ednksu on March 15, 2018, 06:18:18 AM
And to think there are people here who say the Big 12 and the NCAA shouldn't find any obscure, vague, unintentional rule to kill the entire Baylor athletic department.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on March 15, 2018, 07:31:27 AM
And to think there are people here who say the Big 12 and the NCAA shouldn't find any obscure, vague, unintentional rule to kill the entire Baylor athletic department.

 :rolleyes:
Killing the women's golf program will be the kick in the ass Baylor really needs to clean up the rape culture.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 15, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
And to think there are people here who say the Big 12 and the NCAA shouldn't find any obscure, vague, unintentional rule to kill the entire Baylor athletic department.

 :rolleyes:
Killing the women's golf program will be the kick in the ass Baylor really needs to clean up the rape culture.

whatever has happened so far hasn't done the trick...
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: KST8FAN on July 28, 2018, 03:02:26 AM
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article215485530.html#emlnl=Breaking_Newsletter (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article215485530.html#emlnl=Breaking_Newsletter)

Tom
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on July 30, 2018, 07:29:10 AM
Burn. It. Down.

Cesspool of a bunch of religious crazies that have no business being in the BigXII.

Quote from:  Dugout DickStone
whatever has happened so far hasn't done the trick...

Exactly. This department has allowed the raping and murder (literally) of its student athletes and has continued receive no real punishment for any of it. All they do is deny deny, try to cover their tracks, and move on.

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A Baylor staffer asked me, “I don’t know why we’re still (talking about) this; it was two years ago.”

Nothing to see here, move along, move along. Just typical Baylor stuff going on.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on July 31, 2018, 08:38:15 AM
Are there any grumblings, legitimate ones, that the conference might actually seek to excommunicate these zealots? Hell, even Colorado State looks better than these guys at the moment. Although, I'd probably just add Cincinnati to give WVU a play pal.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: pissclams on August 27, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
https://www.prweek.com/article/1491030/sources-baylor-used-mole-aid-comms-during-sexual-assault-crisis
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: ednksu on August 27, 2018, 11:03:42 PM
https://www.prweek.com/article/1491030/sources-baylor-used-mole-aid-comms-during-sexual-assault-crisis
Just read deadspin's coverage of this.  Why the Big 12 allows this university to coexist in the fraternity is beyond me.  The entire institution is beyond redemption.  I know some were worried about the effects of punishing the entire institution would have on non-involved student athletes, but that can easily be remedied by making Baylor pay for their education elsewhere and allowing immediate transfers when their athletic department is banned from all competition.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: KITNfury on August 28, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
Yea, I think it's well due time to kick them out. Just find the best available to replace them and do it.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: WildcatNation on August 28, 2018, 12:03:40 PM
Houston is 100x better fit for the Big 12 than these weirdo losers
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: KITNfury on August 28, 2018, 01:25:20 PM
Houston is 100x better fit for the Big 12 than these weirdo losers
Absolutely just as much (IMO much more) upside than Baylor ever had.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on August 30, 2018, 09:35:45 AM
https://www.prweek.com/article/1491030/sources-baylor-used-mole-aid-comms-during-sexual-assault-crisis
Just read deadspin's coverage of this.  Why the Big 12 allows this university to coexist in the fraternity is beyond me.  The entire institution is beyond redemption.  I know some were worried about the effects of punishing the entire institution would have on non-involved student athletes, but that can easily be remedied by making Baylor pay for their education elsewhere and allowing immediate transfers when their athletic department is banned from all competition.

Just read that prweek link...geesh. Student activities employee/lackey on campus provided intel on rape survivors' political actions to BU administrators. Administrators call their multi-million dollar for hire communication consulting firm to see what the next step in damage control will be.  :facepalm:

There has to at least be a conversation at the conference level on other options, right?
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on August 30, 2018, 10:07:23 AM
I still need someone to explain to me how Baylor weaseled their way into this conference.

I also need an explanation for why they should be allowed to stay, because I agree that Houston would be a much better school to be associated with than Baylor.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on August 31, 2018, 05:24:46 PM
I still need someone to explain to me how Baylor weaseled their way into this conference.

I also need an explanation for why they should be allowed to stay, because I agree that Houston would be a much better school to be associated with than Baylor.
These are easy

1. The Governor of Texas at the time of the conference negotiating/forming, Ann Richards, was a Baylor grad and used her clout for leverage. At the time you could kind of see Baylor. SMU, TCU, and Houston had issues with probation and those schools repeatedly cheating killed the SWC. Rice, although in Houston, was already too far gone to be in a major conference, and likewise UTEP was simply not an option. Baylor, ironically enough, was relatively clean and they weren't yet the horrific sad sack program that they were the first 15 years they were in the conference. The Big 8 really didn't have a choice, and like I said, at the time they were the best option out of only poor choices.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Kat Kid on September 09, 2018, 03:18:12 PM
Good grief Baylor has been awful for over a century.

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n the 1890s, William Cowper Brann published the highly successful Iconoclast newspaper in Waco. One of his targets was Baylor University. Brann revealed that Baylor officials had been importing South American children recruited by missionaries and making house-servants out of them. Brann was shot in the back by Tom Davis, a Baylor supporter. Brann then wheeled, drew his pistol, and killed Davis. Brann was helped home by his friends, and died there of his wounds.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: KST8FAN on September 09, 2018, 06:29:30 PM
What is Houston's current conference tie in?  How do we make it happen?


Tom

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Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Big Sam on September 09, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
What is Houston's current conference tie in?  How do we make it happen?


Tom

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We might be able to add Houston (if we go to 12 in the conference), but I don't see getting rid of Baylor.  I don't think there is any way to make it happen short of Cthulhu swallowing up the campus or God lightning bolting all of Waco into oblivion (Both of which would make for great cable tv news coverage).
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MadCat on September 09, 2018, 11:15:47 PM
Maybe we could convince Cthulhu that there is a free plate full of waffles on Baylor's campus if he looks hard enough while simultaneously asking God to go long for a pass over Waco.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on September 10, 2018, 12:12:36 PM
You're probably right, Baylor is going nowhere, but in reality, would a process of excommunicating these fucks have to manage its way through approval from the Texas state legislature? I might as well start calling if so.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 12, 2018, 09:03:03 AM
NCAA at least used the words lack of institutional control in the initial report:

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article219285540.html (https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article219285540.html)

I doubt they'll have the marbles to follow through. Baylor has 3 months to respond, but we can expect a final NCAA decision in spring 2019.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on October 12, 2018, 09:19:54 AM
The NCAA is a spineless, gutless, half blind organization that just hangs around anymore to collect money in March and April for a hobby sport tournament. I don't expect much of anything from them.

Baylor needs to go. They bring nothing to this conference and wouldn't be here in the first place had UT and A&M not been held hostage by the state government of Texas back when the SWC folded. We should straight up swap them for Houston. This whole conference would be better off doing so.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Pete on October 12, 2018, 06:19:39 PM
They won't get the death penalty, but if they did, it would be a perfect excuse to swap them out for someone else.

HOWEVER, I think the most likely scenario around getting rid of Baylor (and none are even close to reality) is that we would simply drop them and go to 9 teams...and back to the glorious 4 non-conference games.  :love:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 21, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
They won't get the death penalty, but if they did, it would be a perfect excuse to swap them out for someone else.

HOWEVER, I think the most likely scenario around getting rid of Baylor (and none are even close to reality) is that we would simply drop them and go to 9 teams...and back to the glorious 4 non-conference games.  :love:

I wonder what it would take for the NCAA to impose the death penalty again. They seem really unlikely to do so ever since the SMU situation.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: bucket on November 10, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
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Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on November 10, 2018, 09:24:33 PM
When Iowa State starts crying about refs and the big 12 again, note that neither Hakeem Butler nor David Montgomery were ejected for their roles in that.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on November 12, 2018, 07:29:49 AM
When Iowa State starts crying about refs and the big 12 again, note that neither Hakeem Butler nor David Montgomery were ejected for their roles in that.

Baylor automatically loses that fight because their dumbass player is punching guys in helmets.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: IPA4Me on November 12, 2018, 07:35:41 AM
When Iowa State starts crying about refs and the big 12 again, note that neither Hakeem Butler nor David Montgomery were ejected for their roles in that.

Baylor automatically loses that fight because their dumbass player is punching guys in helmets.
Funny though. He did think about it. He open hand slapped the helmet. ISU guy came throwing the punch after that.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on November 12, 2018, 09:57:24 AM
Baylor gonna Baylor...f'ing trash.

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The play on which Montgomery and Roberts were ejected came two snaps after Baylor safety Chris Miller was flagged for a late hit on Montgomery along the Iowa State sideline. Miller and Baylor cornerback Raleigh Texada knocked Montgomery over a Gatorade cart on the play.

A near fight ensued, though only a flag on Miller was assessed. Then after a 10-yard Montgomery run, he ran for one yard while Iowa State receiver Hakeem Butler pinned Baylor safety Blake Lynch to the grass during a block. That play led to a series of shoving matches, and uniformed security ran onto the field from the Iowa State sideline before Montgomery and Roberts tangled.

Officials issued a personal foul on every member of both teams, meaning that the next personal foul would lead to the ejection of any player -- involved or not in the original set of scrums. Brewer, the Baylor QB, was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fourth-quarter rush that resulted in his departure from the game.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MadCat on November 12, 2018, 11:28:59 AM
Now is the perfect time to host Joker-esque tryouts with a broken pool cue to stay in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2018, 09:34:53 AM
Baylor gonna Baylor...f'ing trash.

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The play on which Montgomery and Roberts were ejected came two snaps after Baylor safety Chris Miller was flagged for a late hit on Montgomery along the Iowa State sideline. Miller and Baylor cornerback Raleigh Texada knocked Montgomery over a Gatorade cart on the play.

A near fight ensued, though only a flag on Miller was assessed. Then after a 10-yard Montgomery run, he ran for one yard while Iowa State receiver Hakeem Butler pinned Baylor safety Blake Lynch to the grass during a block. That play led to a series of shoving matches, and uniformed security ran onto the field from the Iowa State sideline before Montgomery and Roberts tangled.

Officials issued a personal foul on every member of both teams, meaning that the next personal foul would lead to the ejection of any player -- involved or not in the original set of scrums. Brewer, the Baylor QB, was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fourth-quarter rush that resulted in his departure from the game.

I don't know where you got that account from but it definitely undersells butler's role in what happened. He "pinned" Lynch down by standing up then putting his knee in Lynch's chest. The Baylor dude was a fool for reaching above a referee to slap Montgomery
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: michigancat on November 13, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Punches to football helmets still can hurt or at least stun if done well.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2018, 10:09:46 AM
Punches to football helmets still can hurt or at least stun if done well.

Baylor dude slapped Montgomery right in the ear hole, that doesn't tickle.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: resident LibBot dick holder on November 13, 2018, 10:13:52 AM
My least favorite part of playing football was the helmet slaps after a good play. Luckily I was not good so it didn't happen often.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on November 13, 2018, 11:14:30 AM
Baylor gonna Baylor...f'ing trash.

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The play on which Montgomery and Roberts were ejected came two snaps after Baylor safety Chris Miller was flagged for a late hit on Montgomery along the Iowa State sideline. Miller and Baylor cornerback Raleigh Texada knocked Montgomery over a Gatorade cart on the play.

A near fight ensued, though only a flag on Miller was assessed. Then after a 10-yard Montgomery run, he ran for one yard while Iowa State receiver Hakeem Butler pinned Baylor safety Blake Lynch to the grass during a block. That play led to a series of shoving matches, and uniformed security ran onto the field from the Iowa State sideline before Montgomery and Roberts tangled.

Officials issued a personal foul on every member of both teams, meaning that the next personal foul would lead to the ejection of any player -- involved or not in the original set of scrums. Brewer, the Baylor QB, was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fourth-quarter rush that resulted in his departure from the game.

I don't know where you got that account from but it definitely undersells butler's role in what happened. He "pinned" Lynch down by standing up then putting his knee in Lynch's chest. The Baylor dude was a fool for reaching above a referee to slap Montgomery

It came from ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25236642/iowa-state-david-montgomery-baylor-greg-roberts-ejected-fighting

Watch the video. Blake Lynch (Baylor) pulls Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) down with him, and then doesn't let him up. What was Butler supposed to do? (teabag would be an acceptable answer)

Baylor was playing dirty that whole game and the refs didn't shut it down soon enough. Fox has video of the late hit/unsportsmanlike conduct that lead up to the big brawl.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/video/1367246403915


Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Cardiac Cats on November 13, 2018, 12:54:43 PM
Baylor gonna Baylor...f'ing trash.

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The play on which Montgomery and Roberts were ejected came two snaps after Baylor safety Chris Miller was flagged for a late hit on Montgomery along the Iowa State sideline. Miller and Baylor cornerback Raleigh Texada knocked Montgomery over a Gatorade cart on the play.

A near fight ensued, though only a flag on Miller was assessed. Then after a 10-yard Montgomery run, he ran for one yard while Iowa State receiver Hakeem Butler pinned Baylor safety Blake Lynch to the grass during a block. That play led to a series of shoving matches, and uniformed security ran onto the field from the Iowa State sideline before Montgomery and Roberts tangled.

Officials issued a personal foul on every member of both teams, meaning that the next personal foul would lead to the ejection of any player -- involved or not in the original set of scrums. Brewer, the Baylor QB, was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fourth-quarter rush that resulted in his departure from the game.

I don't know where you got that account from but it definitely undersells butler's role in what happened. He "pinned" Lynch down by standing up then putting his knee in Lynch's chest. The Baylor dude was a fool for reaching above a referee to slap Montgomery

It came from ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25236642/iowa-state-david-montgomery-baylor-greg-roberts-ejected-fighting

Watch the video. Blake Lynch (Baylor) pulls Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) down with him, and then doesn't let him up. What was Butler supposed to do? (teabag would be an acceptable answer)

Baylor was playing dirty that whole game and the refs didn't shut it down soon enough. Fox has video of the late hit/unsportsmanlike conduct that lead up to the big brawl.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/video/1367246403915

That’s a pretty dramatic description of the late hit that led to the melee - Texada was trying to get his guy out of there. Understand the call, but it felt like more of a couldn’t stop momentum + Gatorade cooler explosion for effects. The field was crap and nobody had any footing. Clone fans I had to watch with agreed. Purdy seems to be the real deal though so I’m curious to see how they do without Montgomery for the first half in Austin.

Agree Butler is getting a pass for his role. First thing I noticed watching it Sat night. Really hope Bill has one more miracle left in him 2 weeks from now..
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on November 13, 2018, 04:26:23 PM
Baylor gonna Baylor...f'ing trash.

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The play on which Montgomery and Roberts were ejected came two snaps after Baylor safety Chris Miller was flagged for a late hit on Montgomery along the Iowa State sideline. Miller and Baylor cornerback Raleigh Texada knocked Montgomery over a Gatorade cart on the play.

A near fight ensued, though only a flag on Miller was assessed. Then after a 10-yard Montgomery run, he ran for one yard while Iowa State receiver Hakeem Butler pinned Baylor safety Blake Lynch to the grass during a block. That play led to a series of shoving matches, and uniformed security ran onto the field from the Iowa State sideline before Montgomery and Roberts tangled.

Officials issued a personal foul on every member of both teams, meaning that the next personal foul would lead to the ejection of any player -- involved or not in the original set of scrums. Brewer, the Baylor QB, was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct after a fourth-quarter rush that resulted in his departure from the game.

I don't know where you got that account from but it definitely undersells butler's role in what happened. He "pinned" Lynch down by standing up then putting his knee in Lynch's chest. The Baylor dude was a fool for reaching above a referee to slap Montgomery

It came from ESPN.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25236642/iowa-state-david-montgomery-baylor-greg-roberts-ejected-fighting

Watch the video. Blake Lynch (Baylor) pulls Hakeem Butler (Iowa State) down with him, and then doesn't let him up. What was Butler supposed to do? (teabag would be an acceptable answer)

Baylor was playing dirty that whole game and the refs didn't shut it down soon enough. Fox has video of the late hit/unsportsmanlike conduct that lead up to the big brawl.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/video/1367246403915

That’s a pretty dramatic description of the late hit that led to the melee - Texada was trying to get his guy out of there. Understand the call, but it felt like more of a couldn’t stop momentum + Gatorade cooler explosion for effects. The field was crap and nobody had any footing. Clone fans I had to watch with agreed. Purdy seems to be the real deal though so I’m curious to see how they do without Montgomery for the first half in Austin.

Agree Butler is getting a pass for his role. First thing I noticed watching it Sat night. Really hope Bill has one more miracle left in him 2 weeks from now..

Also if you watch that video closely, you'll see Montgomery never lets go of Texada either, well not until he crashes into the Gatorade cart. This is just more of Iowa State doing what they do best, playing the victim.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Big Sam on November 14, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
Understand the call, but it felt like more of a couldn’t stop momentum + Gatorade cooler explosion for effects.

I don't want to defend a trash program such as Baylor's (because you can't).  However, maybe the effort was to bring more moisture to the field and elevate it to proper flood aggie standards.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: deputy dawg on March 28, 2019, 02:10:20 PM
Looks like everyone will get to see exactly what went on at Rape U:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/judge-orders-release-of-documents-in-baylor-assault-cases/ar-BBVlLOx?li=BBnba9I
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 24, 2019, 07:19:03 PM
Didn’t know which thread this should go in

Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: catastrophe on May 24, 2019, 09:56:42 PM
Omg that last line “coached at 3 Texas Universities.”

I mean we get you can’t resist the desire to kick ass in Texas football, but you can’t just pretend his last college coaching gig wasn’t worth noting.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Spracne on May 25, 2019, 12:43:20 PM
Disagree. When I think Art Briles, I think of Art Briles the famous skipper of Guelfi Fierenze. But perhaps that's recency bias.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on May 25, 2019, 04:48:43 PM
You should be aware that Dax thought the world of Art.  He even made a thread about how much better Briles was than Snyder.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: pissclams on May 25, 2019, 10:14:13 PM
art briles? more like fart smiles, amirite?
lrwtp
#1cat
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 26, 2019, 05:54:07 AM
 :ROFL:
art briles? more like fart smiles, amirite?
lrwtp
#1cat

The Word.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on May 26, 2019, 09:01:11 AM
art briles? more like fart smiles, amirite?
lrwtp
#1cat

 :thumbs: :cheers:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: IPA4Me on May 26, 2019, 11:22:03 AM
POW!

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/article/Returning-to-Texas-Briles-has-lessons-to-teach-13896888.php
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: POWL on May 26, 2019, 11:56:35 AM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on May 26, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
That writer hit it on the nail head.  Briles was and is a self centered bad person.  A me first: do anything to win no matter how many young women get hurt kind of guy.  And to think some idiots thought he would be great for KSU.  :sdeek:
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Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: IPA4Me on May 28, 2019, 04:40:13 PM
Mt Vernon admin didn't think this one through very far.


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Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: catastrophe on May 28, 2019, 05:36:19 PM
It’s a pretty interesting test case for the theory that winning fixes everything.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2019, 03:15:50 AM
Most of the outrage surrounding Art Briles has little to nothing to do with rape victims. Football fans feigning outrage over this is pathetic. The culture at Baylor that allowed this to happen is not only prevalent in football but it's all over our culture and society. A lot of the same people waging their finger at Briles are the same ones who would use a word like broad and reject the existence of toxic masculinity.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: slackcat on May 29, 2019, 04:35:07 AM
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: slackcat on May 29, 2019, 04:46:34 AM
Having been to Mt. Vernon TX, it's no surprise.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: pissclams on May 29, 2019, 09:13:16 AM
Most of the outrage surrounding Art Briles has little to nothing to do with rape victims. Football fans feigning outrage over this is pathetic. The culture at Baylor that allowed this to happen is not only prevalent in football but it's all over our culture and society. A lot of the same people waging their finger at Briles are the same ones who would use a word like broad and reject the existence of toxic masculinity.

so, if what  you're saying is true, (it's not), then you're also saying is that this stuff happens everywhere, (it doesn't).
throughout this, you've continued to turn a blind eye to the systemic decisions at baylor that created the environment which allowed this situation to become as pervasive as it has.   it's no different than michigan state.  it takes a lot of people with a lot of power to decide that they're going to turn a blind eye.  i'm not going to pit this thread up but there's another parallel that could be drawn as well.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Dlew12 on May 29, 2019, 10:58:56 AM
i agree though that if you've ever used the term "broad," you have no business wagging your finger at pervasive rape cover-up or whatever.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2019, 11:01:28 AM
Most of the outrage surrounding Art Briles has little to nothing to do with rape victims. Football fans feigning outrage over this is pathetic. The culture at Baylor that allowed this to happen is not only prevalent in football but it's all over our culture and society. A lot of the same people waging their finger at Briles are the same ones who would use a word like broad and reject the existence of toxic masculinity.

so, if what  you're saying is true, (it's not), then you're also saying is that this stuff happens everywhere, (it doesn't).
throughout this, you've continued to turn a blind eye to the systemic decisions at baylor that created the environment which allowed this situation to become as pervasive as it has.   it's no different than michigan state.  it takes a lot of people with a lot of power to decide that they're going to turn a blind eye.  i'm not going to pit this thread up but there's another parallel that could be drawn as well.

You're completely misinterpreting my point. I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, not even sure how you even came to that conclusion from my post. My point is that the issues that happened at Baylor did not stop nor start with Baylor or Art Briles. It's a systemic problem in our society and the men of our society who created this culture are more than happy to feign outrage at Art Briles but aren't willing to do their part to change the prevailing culture that allowed the Baylor rape culture to take hold. I'll also point out for the millionth time that this just wasn't an issue with the football program but the university. And yes, a rape culture is present everywhere, the difference is how willing the men in power at these institutions are committed to fighting and changing it, at Baylor they literally cared zero about the physical and emotional safety of the women on their campus.

As for Briles and this specific situation, I have no issue with him getting another job, maybe like Mike Riley, he's learned and grown and will be able to be a mentor to the young men he's charged with leading and he'll be an ally to all women. If he isn't, hopefully the his bosses give a crap enough to fire his ass.

This very recent phenomenon of not allowing people the chance to atone from their mistakes and grow within themselves is gross and harmful to our society. Not as harmful as rape culture but harmful all the same.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 29, 2019, 11:11:34 AM
Baylor shouldn't be allowed to have a football program.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on May 29, 2019, 01:59:58 PM
Baylor should've received the death penalty.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: pissclams on May 29, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
This very recent phenomenon of not allowing people the chance to atone from their mistakes and grow within themselves is gross and harmful to our society. Not as harmful as rape culture but harmful all the same.
he's more than able to atone for his mistakes and grow, while at the same time not being put in the position of leading a of a team high school kids.  he had his chance and he screwed it up and because he did, a lot of lives were negatively effected.   maybe he has learned from his mistakes but that doesn't mean he has earned the right to be entrusted in a similar position.  no one associated with that baylor mess should be rewarded with that responsibility again.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
Damnit people, MIR will not be out-woke ITT!
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on May 29, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
Damnit people, MIR will not be out-woke ITT!

I guess that's one way to look at it. Mock me for caring about this issue beyond some rusty ass football coach, as if there aren't hundreds if not thousands of football coaches that think like he does, I'll wear it, no problem.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: catastrophe on May 29, 2019, 09:58:21 PM
Or you could like start a thread to talk about the other similar atrocities that you have so far been incredibly vague about.

On topic, do you think anyone involved with the Baylor scandal received an unfairly harsh punishment? I’m not aware of anyone that did. I think one of the biggest reasons Mt. Vernon is getting criticized for hiring Briles is because they have completely downplayed/ignored the chief reason no other program wanted him. So if I was a parent at that school I would have zero confidence there was any serious oversight of Briles. I’m all for second chances but when you’re talking about kids’ well-being you can’t just take the guy at his word that he’s a new man.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Trim on May 29, 2019, 10:19:36 PM
I'm worried that Mt. Vernon is gonna start kicking our ass.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on May 30, 2019, 12:24:50 AM
I'm worried that Mt. Vernon is gonna start kicking our ass.

Trim, you need to lay off the drugs/booze; Mt. Vernon is a Texas High School.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: KITNfury on May 30, 2019, 05:46:17 AM
It would be fun to be Gary Patterson and recruit some kid from there and be all super smug with Art while visiting the school.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on May 30, 2019, 09:22:01 AM
I'd pay to watch that interaction happen.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
Or you could like start a thread to talk about the other similar atrocities that you have so far been incredibly vague about.

On topic, do you think anyone involved with the Baylor scandal received an unfairly harsh punishment? I’m not aware of anyone that did. I think one of the biggest reasons Mt. Vernon is getting criticized for hiring Briles is because they have completely downplayed/ignored the chief reason no other program wanted him. So if I was a parent at that school I would have zero confidence there was any serious oversight of Briles. I’m all for second chances but when you’re talking about kids’ well-being you can’t just take the guy at his word that he’s a new man.

eff are you talking about?
1. I wasn't vague about anything, couldn't have been more specific, did you read?
2. Unfairly harsh punishment? There was no punishment for anyone at Baylor, none at all. Are you asking me if Briles, Starr, McCaw, and that title IX officer should have been fired? Is that serious? They got what they deserved, if they got paid they got off way.

What the hell are we talking about here, man?
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on May 30, 2019, 07:11:49 PM
It would be fun to be Gary Patterson and recruit some kid from there and be all super smug with Art while visiting the school.

Sweaty Gary has had multiple drug traffickers. Since art can't harbor rapists anymore maybe he can set up a pipeline of coke dealers to TCU.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 31, 2019, 08:06:10 AM
Gary seems like a pill guy
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on May 31, 2019, 03:52:03 PM
That's what we get from the "religious" private schools; a bunch of drugs and lots of unwanted sex.  Looks like the "public" schools offer less of a risk of our athletics becoming drug addicts, rapists or both.  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2019, 05:00:09 PM
That's what we get from the "religious" private schools; a bunch of drugs and lots of unwanted sex.  Looks like the "public" schools offer less of a risk of our athletics becoming drug addicts, rapists or both.  :horrorsurprise:

Yeah, we should ditch both of them.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: joda on June 03, 2019, 09:17:30 PM
I have learned through Wikipedia that former TSC bud Greg Ostertag is a Mount Vernon, TX bigwig
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on June 04, 2019, 02:00:55 AM
I have learned through Wikipedia that former TSC bud Greg Ostertag is a Mount Vernon, TX bigwig

KU BB Bum.  :Yuck:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: slackcat on June 04, 2019, 04:57:55 AM
I have learned through Wikipedia that former TSC bud Greg Ostertag is a Mount Vernon, TX bigwig

KU BB Bum.  :Yuck:



 :lol:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Big Sam on June 04, 2019, 02:16:08 PM
I have learned through Wikipedia that former TSC bud Greg Ostertag is a Mount Vernon, TX bigwig

KU BB Bum.  :Yuck:



 :lol:

Not sure about what language that is in those clips.  I doubt it is terrestrial.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Katdaddy on June 04, 2019, 04:17:26 PM
I have learned through Wikipedia that former TSC bud Greg Ostertag is a Mount Vernon, TX bigwig

KU BB Bum.  :Yuck:



 :lol:

Not sure about what language that is in those clips.  I doubt it is terrestrial.

He's wearing the right number;  "00".  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Church Creeper on September 18, 2019, 03:07:49 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/art-briles-is-already-being-accused-of-cheating-at-texas-high-school-because-of-course-he-is/ar-AAHua3j?li=BBnbfcL (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/art-briles-is-already-being-accused-of-cheating-at-texas-high-school-because-of-course-he-is/ar-AAHua3j?li=BBnbfcL)
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: PurpleOil on September 18, 2019, 03:50:00 PM
How is this guy still allowed anywhere near a football program!?!? How bereft of morals and character do you have to be to think it's okay for him to be a coach in any capacity?
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: muqluk on September 18, 2019, 08:09:52 PM
reads like a cancel-culture sjw clickbait hit job
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: MakeItRain on September 19, 2019, 02:05:17 AM
reads like a cancel-culture sjw clickbait hit job

And your dumbass post reads like a MAGA word salad. "cancel-culture," lol.
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: Karlen on September 19, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
reads like a cancel-culture sjw clickbait hit job

Look at this someone who makes me uncomfortable
Title: Re: Baylor situation gets worse
Post by: muqluk on September 19, 2019, 08:55:06 PM
reads like a cancel-culture sjw clickbait hit job

And your dumbass post reads like a MAGA word salad. "cancel-culture," lol.

Did I hurt your feelings?

/yawn