Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 28, 2018, 07:46:15 PM
Thing I’m most looking forward to: Trump inviting a DREAMer to attend and telling him or her that we are so close to finally achieving immigration reform including a path to citizenship, stronger border enforcement, and badly needed reforms - if the Democrats will join us.
Second thing I’m looking forward to: Maxine Waters’ rebuttal on BET (seriously, I’m setting my DVR for this).
How many Trump statements will be punctuated by a big NY “buleeve me”?
How many networks will attempt some sort of “live fact check”?
Will RBG attend?
Who will the Dems choose to give their speech? Obviously needs to be a woman and hispanic. Who does that leave? (Edit: they picked a white guy.... but he’s a Kennedy! Going back to that well. Talk about white privilege!)
Post by: bucket on January 28, 2018, 07:57:05 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 28, 2018, 08:24:45 PM
Post by: Cire on January 28, 2018, 08:27:36 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on January 28, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 28, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
I watch them all with an open mind. Impress me DJT. It's your last one.
Dude seriously, listen to yourself.
Post by: The Big Train on January 28, 2018, 09:22:51 PM
That’s rich KSUW
Post by: Phil Titola on January 28, 2018, 09:32:49 PM
I watch them all with an open mind. Impress me DJT. It's your last one.
Dude seriously, listen to yourself.
You'll have Pence...you'll be fine bud....just think of the relief that will be off your shoulders having to constantly carry Trump's water.
Post by: The Big Train on January 29, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2018, 12:40:02 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on January 29, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on January 29, 2018, 01:51:59 PM
Weird place to put this postMaxine is giving the response. Just got me thinking about her.
No she isn't. Lil Joey Kennedy, the Democratic failson got the nod.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 29, 2018, 02:07:14 PM
Post by: Cire on January 29, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2018, 02:25:07 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 29, 2018, 02:31:23 PM
Fewest jobs created since 2009...
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Trump has been a more immediate boon for the markets, but actual business expansion takes longer to roll out (building new factories, ramping up production, etc). Job creation has been ok but not great in Trump’s first year. But as we approach “full employment” that number can be expected to lag a bit. Wage growth will be the more relevant stat. And I expect wage growth will do quite well as Trump’s tax reform kicks in. Bottom line is that 2017 was a strong year for the economy and likely set the stage for a significantly better 2018.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 29, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
Why even have a Democrat respond when the liberal media is already going to call Trump on all his lies, right KSUW?
I expect the “fact checking” will be more along the lines of “yeah, but...” Kind of like this thread.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 29, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
THE NERVE
It’s all identity politics all the time for the Dems. Mad Maxine gets to give a speech - on BET. She needs to know her place.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 29, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
In one year we went from"unemployment number is a lie" to "job creation number will lag as we are at full employment"Fewest jobs created since 2009...
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Trump has been a more immediate boon for the markets, but actual business expansion takes longer to roll out (building new factories, ramping up production, etc). Job creation has been ok but not great in Trump’s first year. But as we approach “full employment” that number can be expected to lag a bit. Wage growth will be the more relevant stat. And I expect wage growth will do quite well as Trump’s tax reform kicks in. Bottom line is that 2017 was a strong year for the economy and likely set the stage for a significantly better 2018.
Great stuff
Post by: LickNeckey on January 29, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
Fewest jobs created since 2009...
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Trump has been a more immediate boon for the markets, but actual business expansion takes longer to roll out (building new factories, ramping up production, etc). Job creation has been ok but not great in Trump’s first year. But as we approach “full employment” that number can be expected to lag a bit. Wage growth will be the more relevant stat. And I expect wage growth will do quite well as Trump’s tax reform kicks in. Bottom line is that 2017 was a strong year for the economy and likely set the stage for a significantly better 2018.
i thought unemployment numbers were fake news
Post by: ednksu on January 30, 2018, 09:02:04 AM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:03:54 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:28:19 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:31:06 PM
Whatever President is speaking it’s hilarious that an entire side NEVER stands and claps :lol:
Not even for “In God We Trust.” Oh wait that actually makes sense.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:35:23 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
“Great Beautiful Auto Workers”
Here we go! The Trump adjectives are starting to roll!
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
- Dax
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 08:40:28 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2018, 08:41:51 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:42:35 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
Need some adorable shots of crat sourpusses itt
You missed a great shot of a very unhappy CBC when Trump said black unemployment is at historic lows.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:44:36 PM
I love the shots of Pelosi moving her dentures around constantly.
Her tongue action is pretty great during those shots
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 08:45:42 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 08:46:48 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:49:53 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 08:51:26 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:53:42 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 08:55:49 PM
Boom. “Americans are dreamers, too.”
Yet you want to deport all the brown people.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 30, 2018, 09:04:18 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:14:54 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:15:39 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:17:11 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2018, 09:18:30 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:28:45 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:31:44 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:34:19 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:34:24 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:36:29 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
The waving for Democrats to stand was the best part.
They had to look at each other to see what others were doing. They felt like they should but weren't sure.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:39:30 PM
It was very WWE....very fitting of trumpThe waving for Democrats to stand was the best part.
They had to look at each other to see what others were doing. They felt like they should but weren't sure.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
Good speech. Too long.About as unifying as anybody expected. Not at all. Not once even trying.
Post by: mocat on January 30, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Whatever President is speaking it’s hilarious that an entire side NEVER stands and claps
I wonder if this has always been a thing.
Or if it hasn't, who was the first president to be the victim of such staunch tribalism
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:44:17 PM
Good speech. Too long.About as unifying as anybody expected. Not at all. Not once even trying.
What would have been more unifying? I actually thought Trump refrained from savaging the Dems over their opposition to tax reform.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:46:28 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:47:19 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:47:51 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:48:18 PM
Unifying lines and themes instead of looking at dumb petty stuff like standing up for the anthem.Good speech. Too long.About as unifying as anybody expected. Not at all. Not once even trying.
What would have been more unifying? I actually thought Trump refrained from savaging the Dems over their opposition to tax reform.
It was an expected speech where he proved he can read awkwardly off a teleprompter. He cemented his approval rating tonight no doubt.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:50:17 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:51:12 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:52:05 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2018, 09:52:37 PM
If I were a Dem, I’d be depressed that they had to rummage around for this guy as a “rising star” because he’s at least a Kennedy.You voted in Celebrity Apprentice
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:52:52 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 09:54:19 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 09:54:36 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 09:56:20 PM
Post by: bucket on January 30, 2018, 09:57:54 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 10:00:37 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
How many different first names does Pelosi have for for this guy? I'll say, 7.
Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2018, 10:03:08 PM
If I were a Dem, I’d be depressed that they had to rummage around for this guy as a “rising star” because he’s at least a Kennedy.Responses haven't been made by anyone a party cared about getting elected (any time soon) in a long time. Everyone knows the SOTU response is an automatic loser. He certainly wasn't picked as a "rising star", maybe as someone decent enough that in 20 years, no one will care that he did a response speech, I guess
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2018, 10:04:35 PM
If I were a Dem, I’d be depressed that they had to rummage around for this guy as a “rising star” because he’s at least a Kennedy.Responses haven't been made by anyone a party cared about getting elected (any time soon) in a long time. Everyone knows the SOTU response is an automatic loser. He certainly wasn't picked as a "rising star", maybe as someone decent enough that in 20 years, no one will care that he did a response speech, I guess
Well, thanks for explaining all of that 8man. We'll all file that under, "Things I didn't know, but I learned from 8man".
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 30, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Is this guy’s dad the one who paralyzed a girl, or drowned a girl? I have difficulty keeping all these Kennedys straight.
No the fiesty one, with the homely wife
Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2018, 10:08:23 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 30, 2018, 10:08:45 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 30, 2018, 10:11:57 PM
Well, thanks dax, glad to educate. I figured it was obvious, but we have people on this board who say dumb crap all the time on everything from oscar to preferable outdoor temperatures, so how am I supposed to tell when KSUdub is or isn't serious on an insult toward Dems?
What's you're preferable outdoor temp? I'll describe my preferable temp day as one that starts a bit chilly, but not too much,m but then turns into about a 75 or so degree day, with a nice breeze and a fantastic sunset.
Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2018, 10:13:43 PM
My goodness, do I have a thread for you! Something something worst month in KS on the combo board. What you have described is basically perfect though.Well, thanks dax, glad to educate. I figured it was obvious, but we have people on this board who say dumb crap all the time on everything from oscar to preferable outdoor temperatures, so how am I supposed to tell when KSUdub is or isn't serious on an insult toward Dems?
What's you're preferable outdoor temp? I'll describe my preferable temp day as one that starts a bit chilly, but not too much,m but then turns into about a 75 or so degree day, with a nice breeze and a fantastic sunset.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2018, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: sys on January 30, 2018, 10:18:55 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 30, 2018, 10:19:40 PM
Luis guetierez :love:
He was triggered by the USA chants and walked out?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2018, 10:28:18 PM
The Democrats better figure out their 2020 platform. Kennedy started a bit wobbly but finished well. My issue is that the themes were more Bill Clinton rather than Hillary.
Yes. If Trump rolls over on the immigration issues the way he is they lose that issue. The "CEOs make 300 times what the worker makes" line is like 20 years old now and doesn't work.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 30, 2018, 10:31:06 PM
i think i figured out all the people that were picking incomprehensible temps. they don't actually know what temperature it is! they probably see the high for the day and then they walk outside at like 7 am and they're like, "hey, this is pretty nice. i guess 90 F is a comfortable temperature."
Nobody saying they like 90+ degree weather is actually outside doing anything during the heat of the day. Nobody.
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 06:21:54 AM
Otherwise completely expected, long, boring SOU.
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 06:28:16 AM
Unemployment is low!
And unemployment for blacks is low!!
AND unemployment for Hispanics is low!!!
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2018, 06:57:23 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 31, 2018, 08:27:00 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 08:37:22 AM
Trump: "And we finally repealed the worst part of Obamacare, the individual mandate."
Mrs. Cat (in health insurance but doesn't care about politics): "What?!"
Me: "Yeah, they repealed the individual mandate as part of the tax bill."
Mrs. Cat: "But they don't really mean that right? They mean they replaced it with something else or changed the rule on preexisting conditions too."
Me: "Nope"
Mrs. Cat: "WHAT ARE THEY DOING?"
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 31, 2018, 08:46:24 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2018, 08:47:56 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 31, 2018, 08:53:24 AM
Wow, Phil's meltdown in here last night. :love:Lol wut? Which part was a meltdown?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 31, 2018, 08:59:34 AM
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on January 31, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
I should have clarified. The conversation I posted would only make sense if you knew how health insurance works.
Your conversation as posted makes it sound like your wife has no idea what the individual mandate is/was. No dog in this fight, just an observation.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
i think i figured out all the people that were picking incomprehensible temps. they don't actually know what temperature it is! they probably see the high for the day and then they walk outside at like 7 am and they're like, "hey, this is pretty nice. i guess 90 F is a comfortable temperature."
If the high is 90, there is a good chance it's already 80 at 7am so they are still weirdo losers
Post by: Phil Titola on January 31, 2018, 10:05:49 AM
I think my favorite part was that every news outlet was calling it a success, but you were trying so hard to find something wrong with it. :love: Classic lib Phil.Lol. Yeah I was trying really really hard
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 31, 2018, 10:07:36 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 31, 2018, 10:09:24 AM
Thanks for admitting it, :thumbs:5 posts on a topic isn't a meltdown...you should know the meltdown guidelines.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2018, 10:24:33 AM
Another memorable moment. This is pretty close to the actual conversation.
Trump: "And we finally repealed the worst part of Obamacare, the individual mandate."
Mrs. Cat (in health insurance but doesn't care about politics): "What?!"
Me: "Yeah, they repealed the individual mandate as part of the tax bill."
Mrs. Cat: "But they don't really mean that right? They mean they replaced it with something else or changed the rule on preexisting conditions too."
Me: "Nope"
Mrs. Cat: "WHAT ARE THEY DOING?"
You shoulda heard some of my conversations back when Dems were ramming this turd through in the first place. Wish we had headed off these problems at that point.
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 10:38:15 AM
I should have clarified. The conversation I posted would only make sense if you knew how health insurance works.
Your conversation as posted makes it sound like your wife has no idea what the individual mandate is/was. No dog in this fight, just an observation.
Here it is again, with subtext:
Another memorable moment. This is pretty close to the actual conversation.
Trump: "And we finally repealed the worst part of Obamacare, the individual mandate." [The individual mandate is the requirement that all Americans purchase health insurance]
Mrs. Cat (in health insurance but doesn't care about politics): "What?!" [It's basically the backbone of the entire Affordable Care Act]
Me: "Yeah, they repealed the individual mandate as part of the tax bill."
Mrs. Cat: "But they don't really mean that right? They mean they replaced it with something else or changed the rule on preexisting conditions too." [It makes zero sense to only repeal the individual mandate aspect of the bill. If you require health insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, but do not require healthy individuals to buy insurance, it means healthy people have zero reason to buy health insurance until they get sick. That is like the exact opposite of what insurance is supposed to be.]
Me: "Nope"
Mrs. Cat: "WHAT ARE THEY DOING?" [Insurance companies now have to cover sick people, healthy people now don't have to buy insurance until they get sick, and the federal government now pays subsidies to insurance companies to make sure rates are not insanely high. Basically, we are currently in a system where sick people receive government bailouts, but it a convoluted way that makes it even more expensive than single payer would ever be.]
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2018, 10:45:22 AM
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
That said, the more I think about it, the more I think Democrats were actually ok with repealing the individual mandate because we are now way closer to single payer than we ever have been. Insurance companies are going to struggle. If the system collapses, the government will be forced to step in and essentially subsidize insurers to the point where the government becomes the ultimate provider.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 31, 2018, 11:02:25 AM
SOTU: Was probably a good speech. Some of that is also probably graded on a curve for Trump so long as he doesn't say anything outright inflammatory. Glad he invited that police officer. Not a GOP/Dem thing, that police officer is probably just a great dude
Rebuttal: That speech location/backdrop is way too pandery. Don't like the Kennedy choice. If Dem's want to give the Trump kids crap for their ridiculous involvement, should probably make sure Kennedy has some signature achievements on his own (maybe he does?)
Post by: catastrophe on January 31, 2018, 11:39:45 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on January 31, 2018, 12:29:18 PM
My thoughts after not watching the speech and not watching the rebuttal
SOTU: Was probably a good speech. Some of that is also probably graded on a curve for Trump so long as he doesn't say anything outright inflammatory. Glad he invited that police officer. Not a GOP/Dem thing, that police officer is probably just a great dude
Rebuttal: That speech location/backdrop is way too pandery. Don't like the Kennedy choice. If Dem's want to give the Trump kids crap for their ridiculous involvement, should probably make sure Kennedy has some signature achievements on his own (maybe he does?)
Pretty accurate recap. I didn't think it was a bad speech and I thought the rebuttal was totally pandering. He speaks good Spanish though. :rolleyes: (ftp://:rolleyes:)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2018, 01:02:52 PM
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on January 31, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
Probably shouldn’t have passed a law requiring insurance to cover preexisting conditions, huh? Also, insurance premiums were exploding regardless of the individual mandate because not nearly enough young, healthy people were buying insurance, mandate be damned.
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Most of America has no idea how much Obamacare has mumped up insurance coverage for people that are not covered by the gov't or their employer (which is most of America). For those people like myself who actually have to purchase our own insurance....my wife and son and i are on our 4th different provider in 4 years and pay around 3X what we were paying 5 years ago for less coverage and a much higher deductible. It's basically a month long process (on the phone) each time our provider decides they aren't going to cover our "area" any longer. It's a way bigger mess than most people realize.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on January 31, 2018, 01:18:52 PM
Probably shouldn’t have passed a law requiring insurance to cover preexisting conditions, huh? Also, insurance premiums were exploding regardless of the individual mandate because not nearly enough young, healthy people were buying insurance, mandate be damned.
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Most of America has no idea how much Obamacare has mumped up insurance coverage for people that are not covered by the gov't or their employer (which is most of America). For those people like myself who actually have to purchase our own insurance....my wife and son and i are on our 4th different provider in 4 years and pay around 3X what we were paying 5 years ago for less coverage and a much higher deductible. It's basically a month long process (on the phone) each time our provider decides they aren't going to cover our "area" any longer. It's a way bigger mess than most people realize.
There is much truth to this statement. The people I would listen to debate insurance would be the people that have had to use Obamacare in some form. The coverage is total crap and very expensive.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 31, 2018, 01:45:18 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 31, 2018, 02:05:22 PM
I wouldn't expect much in the way of accomplishments for rebuttal speakers. At least in recent history, the response has always been used to let a younger, lesser-known congressperson get some spotlight time. I hadn't heard of Rubio before his response, and I did not know there was another Kennedy in congress until this one.
I agree that it's usually a rising star so accomplishments maybe light but don't like a Kennedy in that role. Maybe 2 years away from an election, it's not a huge deal but I think using a Kennedy speaks to the Democrats' problem that helped cost them the election. It shouldn't be hard to appeal to the working class better than billionaire Trump but the Democrats keep trotting out rich, white people from career politician families to do it.
Post by: sys on January 31, 2018, 02:35:54 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2018, 03:35:04 PM
Probably shouldn’t have passed a law requiring insurance to cover preexisting conditions, huh? Also, insurance premiums were exploding regardless of the individual mandate because not nearly enough young, healthy people were buying insurance, mandate be damned.
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Most of America has no idea how much Obamacare has mumped up insurance coverage for people that are not covered by the gov't or their employer (which is most of America). For those people like myself who actually have to purchase our own insurance....my wife and son and i are on our 4th different provider in 4 years and pay around 3X what we were paying 5 years ago for less coverage and a much higher deductible. It's basically a month long process (on the phone) each time our provider decides they aren't going to cover our "area" any longer. It's a way bigger mess than most people realize.
That may all be true, to which the Dems would respond: “eff you.” Obamacare was designed to expand Medicaid and further degrade the private insurance model. It is a despicable law rammed through by despicable people and is still being defended by these folks. Until the pubs get more reinforcements or Dems finally come to the table, it’s going to be hard to undo the damage.
Post by: The Big Train on January 31, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/958815213612134405
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 31, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 31, 2018, 03:45:26 PM
Probably shouldn’t have passed a law requiring insurance to cover preexisting conditions, huh? Also, insurance premiums were exploding regardless of the individual mandate because not nearly enough young, healthy people were buying insurance, mandate be damned.
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Most of America has no idea how much Obamacare has mumped up insurance coverage for people that are not covered by the gov't or their employer (which is most of America). For those people like myself who actually have to purchase our own insurance....my wife and son and i are on our 4th different provider in 4 years and pay around 3X what we were paying 5 years ago for less coverage and a much higher deductible. It's basically a month long process (on the phone) each time our provider decides they aren't going to cover our "area" any longer. It's a way bigger mess than most people realize.
That may all be true, to which the Dems would respond: “eff you.” Obamacare was designed to expand Medicaid and further degrade the private insurance model. It is a despicable law rammed through by despicable people and is still being defended by these folks. Until the pubs get more reinforcements or Dems finally come to the table, it’s going to be hard to undo the damage.
If anyone speaks for Democrats, it's K-S-U
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on February 01, 2018, 02:19:12 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 01, 2018, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 11:12:54 AM
Was kid rock there?
I don't think so but the comedy power house of Patton Oswald, Sarah Silverman and Jim Carrey all tweeted their displeasure for Trump during and after the sotu behind their comfy little gated communities. You've heard of them right? All very hilarious.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 11:13:44 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 01, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Probably shouldn’t have passed a law requiring insurance to cover preexisting conditions, huh? Also, insurance premiums were exploding regardless of the individual mandate because not nearly enough young, healthy people were buying insurance, mandate be damned.
And not to quibble, but the primary aim of Obamacare was always expanding Medicaid. It has been marvelously “successful” (at running up massive costs) in that regard.
Democrats rammed this crap bill through, and it’s gonna get worse until they join with Pubs to fix the mess they made. By contrast, Pubs rammed through tax reform, which I suspect is going to be hugely popular.
Most of America has no idea how much Obamacare has mumped up insurance coverage for people that are not covered by the gov't or their employer (which is most of America). For those people like myself who actually have to purchase our own insurance....my wife and son and i are on our 4th different provider in 4 years and pay around 3X what we were paying 5 years ago for less coverage and a much higher deductible. It's basically a month long process (on the phone) each time our provider decides they aren't going to cover our "area" any longer. It's a way bigger mess than most people realize.
That may all be true, to which the Dems would respond: “eff you.” Obamacare was designed to expand Medicaid and further degrade the private insurance model. It is a despicable law rammed through by despicable people and is still being defended by these folks. Until the pubs get more reinforcements or Dems finally come to the table, it’s going to be hard to undo the damage.
repeal and replace or gtfoomf
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 01, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Was kid rock there?
I don't think so but the comedy power house of Patton Oswald, Sarah Silverman and Jim Carrey all tweeted their displeasure for Trump during and after the sotu behind their comfy little gated communities. You've heard of them right? All very hilarious.
following Patton Oswalt on twitter so you can get furious about his tweets must be an interesting thing
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 07:56:32 PM
Was kid rock there?
I don't think so but the comedy power house of Patton Oswald, Sarah Silverman and Jim Carrey all tweeted their displeasure for Trump during and after the sotu behind their comfy little gated communities. You've heard of them right? All very hilarious.
following Patton Oswalt on twitter so you can get furious about his tweets must be an interesting thing
Not furious in the least. I just find it ironic that he calls Trump a troll and tweet's out venomous crap just like he does.. The hypocrisy is awesome. He was great in Balls of Fury though.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 08:24:05 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 08:42:27 PM
it's interesting how low some people's standards are for the president
Such a funny thing to say. He won the Presidency. What should we do? Revolt? It's sad that you can't accept what he has accomplished regardless of what a tool he is. Glad you're not bitter though.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 01, 2018, 08:49:38 PM
it's interesting how low some people's standards are for the president
Such a funny thing to say. He won the Presidency. What should we do? Revolt? It's sad that you can't accept what he has accomplished regardless of what a tool he is. Glad you're not bitter though.
I believe he's accomplished more than any other president in Year 1....isn't that right?
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 09:06:18 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 01, 2018, 09:07:13 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 09:09:50 PM
it's interesting how low some people's standards are for the president
Such a funny thing to say. He won the Presidency. What should we do? Revolt? It's sad that you can't accept what he has accomplished regardless of what a tool he is. Glad you're not bitter though.
I believe he's accomplished more than any other president in Year 1....isn't that right?
I never said that did I? He's done well but the lib's can't acknowledge any of it without saying he's riding on Obama's coattail. If he was actually that bad the economy and market would have crashed and burned by now right?
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 01, 2018, 09:16:41 PM
Don is just experiencing the many benefits of white privilegeness.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 09:21:39 PM
Rationalizing to own the libs
You're better than this. To not acknowledge ANY accomplishment regardless of him being a tool is silly. Owning the libs now is simple anyway...
Post by: Phil Titola on February 01, 2018, 09:32:28 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 01, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
Trump's whatthefuckisms aside, our country has never been better and it's time for you eff[lib]tards to get in line.
Supreme leaders way is the only way.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 01, 2018, 09:39:04 PM
He got a republic wet dream tax break done while in control of congress....it's a pretty major accomplishment.
And that's never been done before? (not tax break but whatever the prez wanted when controlling house and senate. :jerk: (ftp://:jerk:)
Post by: The Big Train on February 01, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
He got a republic wet dream tax break done while in control of congress....it's a pretty major accomplishment.
And that's never been done before? (not tax break but whatever the prez wanted when controlling house and senate. :jerk: (ftp://:jerk:)
It’s never been done THIS big before. Probably the biggest accomplishment ever while in control of Congress, ever.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 01, 2018, 10:02:10 PM
He got a republic wet dream tax break done while in control of congress....it's a pretty major accomplishment.
And that's never been done before? (not tax break but whatever the prez wanted when controlling house and senate. :jerk: (ftp://:jerk:)
No doubt...no way could do anything else within that year....he only focused on getting that done. :emawkid:
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2018, 06:45:58 AM
Post by: _33 on February 02, 2018, 06:52:54 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 07:37:33 AM
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2018, 07:38:47 AM
All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.
Congratulations on not knowing anyone with a chronic life threatening illness! And also eff you.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 02, 2018, 10:53:56 AM
:lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 02, 2018, 10:57:56 AM
All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.
Congratulations on not knowing anyone with a chronic life threatening illness! And also eff you.
In lib[eff]tard butthurt imagination land, rage level 10, Trump is a supreme leader demi-god Trump who casts chronic illnesses upon the acquaintances of the hillbot ignoramous masses. :curse:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 11:22:35 AM
All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.Accurate
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2018, 11:23:22 AM
All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.
Congratulations on not knowing anyone with a chronic life threatening illness! And also eff you.
In lib[eff]tard butthurt imagination land, rage level 10, Trump is a supreme leader demi-god Trump who casts chronic illnesses upon the acquaintances of the hillbot ignoramous masses. :curse:
You're a piece of crap.
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2018, 11:24:41 AM
All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.Accurate
eff you and your mom. Most cancer is incurable.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 11:54:21 AM
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2018, 11:56:14 AM
Sorry for whatever you're going through, Chum. They gave my mom 10% chance. We got very lucky.
Thanks. Sorry I said anything about your situation. That was not cool.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 11:57:54 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 02, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
Pres delivered a marvelous speech on immigration. Some excerpts....QuoteAll Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.QuoteWhen I see Mexican flags waving at pro-immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.
Bravo Mr. President.He didn't seriously say that did he?
What a miserable piece of crapI find it hard to believe the President has had to personally get his car fixed at any point in the last 3 decades.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. That was presidents Clinton and Obama.
Post by: Phil Titola on February 02, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
That doesn't sound good as poorly you guys told us Obama was doing.All of your lives are exactly the same now as under Obama.Accurate
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on February 02, 2018, 07:02:42 PM
Stop getting so triggered, Phil. America is great and it always has been. Relax, it's Friday.I'm getting scared you don't know what triggered means. Cheers bud... Have a great weekend.
Agreed... Obama years were great. Trump's first year has been a lot of fun!
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
25% increase in 401k = the same
:lol:
I’m curious the mental gymnastics you will use to blame this on Obama.
https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/959565970644889601
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 02, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2018, 07:12:14 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 07:15:07 PM
Fake News! It was the most watched SOTU speech in the history of time!
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/958815213612134405
:lol: he actually did say it!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/959034299222843394
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 02, 2018, 07:19:59 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on February 02, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
25% increase in 401k = the same
:lol:
I’m curious the mental gymnastics you will use to blame this on Obama.
https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/959565970644889601
It was actually 665.75 points. Just sayin
Post by: bucket on February 02, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
25% increase in 401k = the same
:lol:
I’m curious the mental gymnastics you will use to blame this on Obama.
https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/959565970644889601
It was actually 665.75 points. Just sayin
This is a very dumb talking point.
Post by: Bloodfart on February 02, 2018, 10:37:05 PM
Post by: The Big Train on February 02, 2018, 10:43:27 PM
Post by: Bloodfart on February 02, 2018, 10:45:07 PM