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Title: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on January 26, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
We are winning!
I hear in the outback comments such as "we like him", "nice man", decent, but no one says they love him.  Not like my demented KU buddies say about Bill; they love him.   People said that they loved Martin.  I have not really remember Weber saying he loves his players or the fans.  Manhattan, yes.  His family, yes.  I am sure he has expressed affectionate thoughts towards players, fans, and the school, but I can recall them.  He is not convincing.  Ol' Snyder still makes a connection to fans, the common fan. I miss this with Weber.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 26, 2018, 06:43:41 AM
Losing to LaSalle. Losing the program basically and having to rebuild. Being goofy and awkward.

If he beats LaSalle and goes to the Sweet 16 in year one some of this is moot.

If he doesn't lose Foster and others, he's our lovable goofy coach for sure right now.

If he completes this rebuild and has success the next 2 seasons including at least 1 second weekend appearance in the NCAAs, he probably still becomes our lovable goofy coach. (to many, I realize some aren't coming back)
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2018, 07:15:42 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)


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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 8manpick on January 26, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
For me it has been the accountability since the end of year one. When he spent his entire press conferences after the KU and LaSalle losses throwing his players under the bus, backing it up, and running over them again, I was out forever. Given that he has repeated this throughout his tenure, I see no reason to change.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 07:56:51 AM
For me it has been the accountability since the end of year one. When he spent his entire press conferences after the KU and LaSalle losses throwing his players under the bus, backing it up, and running over them again, I was out forever. Given that he has repeated this throughout his tenure, I see no reason to change.

Yup, this is the worst thing about him, even worse than the losing
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 08:19:39 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)


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Get him @meow meow !!! FRANK. FRANK. FRANK!
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 08:38:28 AM
wacky, not sure what you're wanting here.

can i add that #askfran makes him look like such a crybaby bitch?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 08:53:53 AM
Never mind, I can't find the post where someone was making fun of bringing up Frank so much. I thought it was you.  :frown:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 08:56:20 AM
oh it def was me, but only because you brought up frank.  it's all good bruh
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 26, 2018, 08:57:24 AM
Losing to LaSalle. Losing the program basically and having to rebuild. Being goofy and awkward.

If he beats LaSalle and goes to the Sweet 16 in year one some of this is moot.

If he doesn't lose Foster and others, he's our lovable goofy coach for sure right now.

If he completes this rebuild and has success the next 2 seasons including at least 1 second weekend appearance in the NCAAs, he probably still becomes our lovable goofy coach. (to many, I realize some aren't coming back)

I wouldn't like him any more if he had gone to the sweet 16 that year. If anything, that would have made the last few years even harder to take. He needs to finish this year strong and have a better team next year for me to consider liking him.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 08:59:07 AM
oh it def was me, but only because you brought up frank.  it's all good bruh
:thumbs:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2018, 09:00:17 AM
Takes more than a 3 game winning streak for me to forgive him his failures
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 26, 2018, 09:00:44 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 09:03:50 AM
His press conferences and excuses. That's really it for me. He can't help his voice. It's endearing when he wins.

Love ppl who bitch about him getting outside of the coaches box for over trying however.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 09:08:37 AM
his non con scheduling makes it hard to get excited about basketball every year
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: wetwillie on January 26, 2018, 09:10:28 AM
He called Mr Kstate Ernie Barnett, I can't ever forgive that.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 09:11:04 AM
Cotton Fitzpatrick
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Takes more than a 3 game winning streak for me to forgive him his failures

Correction, a 3 game winning streak in the tournament might win me over
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 26, 2018, 09:12:20 AM
What's worse: 1) physically abusing players on national tv, or 2) sayimg they didn't play well in a post game presser?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
What's worse: 1) physically abusing players on national tv, or 2) sayimg they didn't play well in a post game presser?

gmafb
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: TownieCat on January 26, 2018, 09:17:07 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Yeah, not sure where that statement came from. The guys who have stuck around love oscar and the staff.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: #LIFE on January 26, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
physically abusing players on national tv

oscar did this too a season or 2 ago. Maybe someone with a better memory can find it again.

Also, if he won a national championship I'd still want him fired Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: MadCat on January 26, 2018, 09:32:58 AM
My principles will not be sullied by such a frivolous thing as program success. :don'tcare:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 26, 2018, 09:39:36 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Yeah, not sure where that statement came from. The guys who have stuck around love oscar and the staff.

He's had two players in like 6 years that have seemed to really, genuinely enjoy him. They are both still on the team. You guys are suffering from an acute case of recency bias.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Steffy08 on January 26, 2018, 09:40:01 AM
He's a dork.

Which means he has to win at a higher rate than a non-dork.  He has flirted with that rate, but has usually been just below it.  This year is his chance though.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: cat97 on January 26, 2018, 09:42:39 AM
  Some like Weber.  Some don't.  Doesn't matter really.  If Weber wins enough this year, he'll be back whether you like him or not.  Meanwhile we have a real basketball team to watch. 

If you do not like what you are seeing from the players on this team during the last couple of weeks and are not interested in possibilities for this team,  you don't really like KSU basketball. 

Through 8 Big 12 games, you have been watching two Big 12 All conference level performances from Brown and Wade.  Mawein coming on and actually being a big the other team has to consider.  Sneed and Diarra playing good defense and fitting into the team structure.  Wainright flashing some potential at times. 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 09:48:03 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Yeah, not sure where that statement came from. The guys who have stuck around love oscar and the staff.

He's had two players in like 6 years that have seemed to really, genuinely enjoy him. They are both still on the team. You guys are suffering from an acute case of recency bias.
You don't live in Manhattan, so I have no idea how you could come to this conclusion. Southwell liked him enough to come back and be a grad assistant with him. Sounds like you have a little bias coming out yourself.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 26, 2018, 10:08:50 AM
Dumpster-diving is gross.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: sys on January 26, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
i like my dogs and don't like my neighbor's dogs.  they're all dogs, but i only like some of them.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
I like most dogs
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Gooch on January 26, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
I love dogs but hate my neighbors dog. :ck:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 26, 2018, 10:47:56 AM
Almost time to merge this w/Nassar thread.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 26, 2018, 11:07:53 AM
Just got a new dog yesterday!
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 11:16:00 AM
Pics bro
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 26, 2018, 11:27:31 AM
I like dogs and I like my neighbors dog. she likes to come over and play with my dogs. I do not like when she shits in my yard though
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 26, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Yeah, not sure where that statement came from. The guys who have stuck around love oscar and the staff.

He's had two players in like 6 years that have seemed to really, genuinely enjoy him. They are both still on the team. You guys are suffering from an acute case of recency bias.

I know you are gE'ing but I (and my multiple sources close to the situation) will still point out that you are 100% incorrect. 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: brandochav on January 26, 2018, 11:47:21 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)


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Frank is not a good coach, and is TOO emotional. Brad was his everything. He's had one great season at SC, and who knows how much he is directly responsible for. Yeah yeah...he gets and deserves credit for it, just saying context is everything.

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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 26, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 26, 2018, 12:27:55 PM
Pics bro

(https://preview.ibb.co/cOs36w/0_F60_DA07_9_CD1_47_B0_90_E3_574_F3_FFDEF68.jpg)

We named him Royal. 7 weeks old.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 26, 2018, 12:28:43 PM
v nice dog
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: brandochav on January 26, 2018, 12:44:42 PM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: pissclams on January 26, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
Pics bro

(https://preview.ibb.co/cOs36w/0_F60_DA07_9_CD1_47_B0_90_E3_574_F3_FFDEF68.jpg)

We named him Royal. 7 weeks old.

I will call him spud
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 01:39:11 PM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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That dumbass Frank that doesn't know basketball has a Final Four and Elite 8 in the time span where awkward know-it-all oscar won a single first round game.  idiot
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
Pics bro

(https://preview.ibb.co/cOs36w/0_F60_DA07_9_CD1_47_B0_90_E3_574_F3_FFDEF68.jpg)

We named him Royal. 7 weeks old.

does he absorb contact and finish at the bowl?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on January 26, 2018, 01:51:13 PM
His in game micromanaging and not being able to stay off the court irritates me to no end.  I coach youth basketball and see why he does it but I'm coaching kids that have only been playing for a year or 2 and practice 1-2 times a week for an hour.  his players should not need the amount of yelling (coaching) from the sideline.  This feels like he does not prepare them during practice well enough. 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 01:57:45 PM
That pup is huge for 7 weeks  :eek:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ChiComCat on January 26, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 26, 2018, 02:01:35 PM
That pup is huge for 7 weeks  :eek:

Oops. 7 months. Months.

does he absorb contact and finish at the bowl?

Of course.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 8manpick on January 26, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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This is an unbelievably bad take. I mean, what in the actual eff are you talking about?

To rebut your tournament hot takes, In the 4 out of 5 years with Frank that we went to the tournament, we had a 2, 5, 8, and 11 seed. 1 year on the bubble. We also made it to at least the round of 32 in each of those years.   We went to an elite 8 with "one of the best teams we've had" (which I guess you give no credit to Frank for?).  For comparison, oscar has been to 3 in 5, had a 4, 9, and 11 seed and has never made the round of 32.

It's horribly tired at this point to compare Frank and oscar, but apparently it still needs to be done.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 26, 2018, 02:03:24 PM
His in game micromanaging and not being able to stay off the court irritates me to no end.  I coach youth basketball and see why he does it but I'm coaching kids that have only been playing for a year or 2 and practice 1-2 times a week for an hour. his players should not need the amount of yelling (coaching) from the sideline.  This feels like he does not prepare them during practice well enough.
:lol:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 26, 2018, 02:04:37 PM
That pup is huge for 7 weeks  :eek:

Oops. 7 months. Months.

does he absorb contact and finish at the bowl?

Of course.

 :lol:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on January 26, 2018, 02:05:49 PM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on January 26, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
That pup is huge for 7 weeks  :eek:

Oops. 7 months. Months.

i'm surprised sys didn't say anything
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 26, 2018, 02:09:02 PM
I mostly hate him because he couldn't, as predicted, sustain program success, and I have no confidence he will do so in the future. An objective look at the K-State roster suggests good things in 2019 and then the deluge.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: CHONGS on January 26, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
It's hard to love barely above competent.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: pissclams on January 26, 2018, 03:07:55 PM
our disdain for oscar is not unique to our fanbase, the guy is a rough ridin' downgrade
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: 8manpick on January 26, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
It's hard to love barely above competent.
Even harder to love only competent once every 4 or 5 years
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 26, 2018, 03:41:23 PM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)

His guys are very loyal to him.
Yeah, not sure where that statement came from. The guys who have stuck around love oscar and the staff.

He's had two players in like 6 years that have seemed to really, genuinely enjoy him. They are both still on the team. You guys are suffering from an acute case of recency bias.

I know you are gE'ing but I (and my multiple sources close to the situation) will still point out that you are 100% incorrect.

gE'ing a bit, but I don't think oscar is probably a real popular coach. Half of the kids he's recruited have either been booted, been encouraged to move on, or transferred of their own accord. Doubt those guys have a lot of love for oscar, and I'm sure he's not batting 1.000 with the guys who have stayed.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: The Big Train on January 26, 2018, 03:42:38 PM
our disdain for oscar is not unique to our fanbase, the guy is a rough ridin' downgrade

Couldn’t have said it better myself
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: #LIFE on January 26, 2018, 03:43:12 PM
It's hard to love barely above competent.
Even harder to love only competent once every 4 or 5 years

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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ksupamplemousse on January 26, 2018, 03:48:25 PM
our disdain for oscar is not unique to our fanbase, the guy is a rough ridin' downgrade

Couldn’t have said it better myself

Yes, people who claim to like oscar are just lying to themselves in an attempt to make the best out of a bad situation. It doesn't make them bad people, but it does make them wrong. I'm sure there were some oscar defenders at Illinois, but I sure as crap haven't heard from any of them after he got fired. They probably just breathed a giant sigh of relief that they didn't have to defend the guy anymore and started coming up with talking points for why John Groce wasn't a waste of space.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: fun muffin on January 26, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
I think he'll retire within 4 years.  He's getting up there.   :pray:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Bpequalsdk on January 26, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
I love Oscar as much as Charlie Brown loves joe shlabotnik.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable

I don't care about that much at all. The fact that he hasn't even sniffed another attempt at a LaSalle situation is far, far worse.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: wetwillie on January 26, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable

I don't care about that much at all. The fact that he hasn't even sniffed another attempt at a LaSalle situation is far, far worse.


no losing to la salle in a de facto home game with hot rod and angel is unforgiveable
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: pissclams on January 26, 2018, 05:25:32 PM
the fact that we had to rely on our boy oscar’s last second shot in the corner baseline play


I got pissed just typing that
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2018, 05:26:16 PM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable

I don't care about that much at all. The fact that he hasn't even sniffed another attempt at a LaSalle situation is far, far worse.


no losing to la salle in a de facto home game with hot rod and angel is unforgiveable
Every program loses games like that all the time. The great ones just play lots of them
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Powercat Posse on January 26, 2018, 07:12:28 PM
Losing to LaSalle. Losing the program basically and having to rebuild. Being goofy and awkward.

If he beats LaSalle and goes to the Sweet 16 in year one some of this is moot.

If he doesn't lose Foster and others, he's our lovable goofy coach for sure right now.

If he completes this rebuild and has success the next 2 seasons including at least 1 second weekend appearance in the NCAAs, he probably still becomes our lovable goofy coach. (to many, I realize some aren't coming back)

Agree with a lot of this.  The only thing I was bummed  in the first 2 years was the loss to LaSalle.

Year 3 & 4 were big disappointments.  Last year, we snuck into NCAA but had we been 10-8, 11-7 in B12 I think more of us would have been positive about the season as a whole.

This season has really taking a positive spin. We are playing like a top 25 team. Doing this thru next March will get Weber in more positive light with majority of the fan base

He's almost total opposite of Frank.  If he wins and has an exciting team (like 13' and this year), then he's fine. His dorky personality gets overlooked if we have a good team on the floor
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: sys on January 26, 2018, 07:38:52 PM
i don't think i would like him any more if he were more successful.  arguably, i would like him less.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: stunted on January 26, 2018, 07:39:54 PM
its fun to win with such a dorky coach esp if it's against some hardass. i know he makes a lot of excuses and we all thought he was never going to change but it seems like he's improved as a coach.

we seem mumped after our studs leave but it seems like he knows how to find good players and we'll have momentum after our final 4 this year and nc next. lots of potential with oscar :excited: <-- my face when i realize we have him for at least 3 more years
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 29, 2018, 10:16:48 PM
He fills his roster with five actual power 5 players, two of whom play the same position, and eight stiffs.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2018, 11:22:56 PM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable

I don't care about that much at all. The fact that he hasn't even sniffed another attempt at a LaSalle situation is far, far worse.


no losing to la salle in a de facto home game with hot rod and angel is unforgiveable

We lost a 4-13 game in the tournament, bfd, no one liked that team anyway despite them winning a conference championship
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 29, 2018, 11:35:28 PM
Games like this one.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: purplehaze on January 30, 2018, 01:13:19 AM
Games like this one.

Getting our hopes up for games like this and then crashing back to the reality that oscar hasn't been to a sweet 16 since the 04/05 Illinois runner up team and will likely never get there again because he is a bona fide loser
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: nicname on January 30, 2018, 02:36:19 AM
Well I don’t like him because he’s not Frank and does the opposite of what Frank would do in almost every situation (win NCAA games, be loved by his players, be accountable, be charismatic, it goes on)


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Frank is not a good coach, and is TOO emotional. Brad was his everything. He's had one great season at SC, and who knows how much he is directly responsible for. Yeah yeah...he gets and deserves credit for it, just saying context is everything.

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LOL, an E8 and a Final Four at two basically dickhole bball programs. Yep, not very good.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: nicname on January 30, 2018, 02:37:34 AM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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Meh, you could argue oscar has recruited better and done less with more.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on January 30, 2018, 05:59:48 AM
losing to lasalle was inexcusable

I don't care about that much at all. The fact that he hasn't even sniffed another attempt at a LaSalle situation is far, far worse.


no losing to la salle in a de facto home game with hot rod and angel is unforgiveable

We lost a 4-13 game in the tournament, bfd, no one liked that team anyway despite them winning a conference championship
I hope you were joking
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 07:27:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanablack/status/958198992504008704
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: HELLHAMMER on January 30, 2018, 07:54:55 AM
https://twitter.com/ryanablack/status/958198992504008704
oscar believes he is untouchable and up until this point the administration hasn't given him any reason to think otherwise.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
because being a perpetual bubble team is stupid and lame
I'm mixed on oscar, sometimes we look very good and sometimes we look confused. I think we should let this offense develop before rushing to conclusions though. Give him credit for an early defensive focus, with understanding how offensive flow will come with experience...take the growing,pains,and teachable,moments along the way (e.g., The Flush ever since @KU). We have players. We have D. We can have O.

Frank had one stellar season at K-State and we bung the moon for him, but couldn't get past S16 with one of the best teams we've had and was close or on the bubble for at least half of our bids. He relies on berated effort and a clutch player. I honestly don't see Frank developing much out of anyone who wouldn't have done it without him anyway...a la Pullen. Kelly, maybe? His key to success is recruiting, pure and simple. At least BW, as awkward as he is, knows bball.

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Meh, you could argue oscar has recruited better and done less with more.
Yeah I would probably make that argument
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2018, 08:28:53 AM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/sportscollegian/status/958211376681553920
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: PIPE on January 30, 2018, 08:29:59 AM
How come I don't love Oscar?

50-49 in Big 12 play in year 6.  He'll probably even out after this weekend. :buh-bye: :sdeek:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: #LIFE on January 30, 2018, 09:10:46 AM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197332844.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197332844.html)

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“We had an unbelievable three weeks,” Weber said. “We are 5-4 (Big 12) and we overcame a tragedy.

 :facepalm:

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The goal is still there, and that is to get to the NCAA Tournament.

Don't set those expectations too high you rough ridin' loser  :flush:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 30, 2018, 09:17:21 AM
So he is using a tragedy to justify the performance of a team for an entire season?  If I recall, the World Series winning Royals in 2015 had like 3 family members pass away. 

If the administration won't call oscar out on his bullshit, he will continue to sling this verbal poo. 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2018, 09:18:42 AM
What was the tragedy?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2018, 09:20:56 AM
What was the tragedy?

stokes?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on January 30, 2018, 09:21:04 AM
His use of excuses and lowering expectations is second to none.  Seriously, has there ever been a coach that makes more excuses than oscar?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 30, 2018, 09:24:05 AM
Didn't the asst coach son pass away before the season started?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2018, 09:29:59 AM
Didn't the asst coach son pass away before the season started?

That was late 2016.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 30, 2018, 09:42:28 AM
Didn't the asst coach son pass away before the season started?

That was late 2016.

 :lol:  My bad.  I laugh because the tragedy can be no other reason than Stoke's inury.  Pretty dramatic response from oscar. 

Unless....he is talking about the Snyder tragedy (I really hope he is not). 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: DQ12 on January 30, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
What was the tragedy?

stokes?
CAS and i were listening to that live and asked the same question.  I thought Stokes, he guessed the Snyder death.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
What was the tragedy?

stokes?
CAS and i were listening to that live and asked the same question.  I thought Stokes, he guessed the Snyder death.

ah. did anyone follow up?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on January 30, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
Tragedy was poor word choice, but I wasn't surprised by it.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: meow meow on January 30, 2018, 09:47:16 AM
Tragedy was poor word choice, but I wasn't surprised by it.

what is he talking about?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2018, 09:47:24 AM
My serious guess is Snyder. But also could be getting jobbed in Lawrence and losing by 1 point.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 30, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
As of now. Accountability and not being able to admit to his own faults. The man needs direction, but he is the head coach so he should be the one leading, not needing a leader

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Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2018, 10:09:26 AM
I guess he just accidentally said tragedy instead of injury and also forgot about any injuries that any opponents had.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on January 30, 2018, 11:22:38 AM
The man has coached basketball for decades yet a simple zone against his team looked like the unsolvable riddle. It was incredible how bad it was
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
The man has coached basketball for decades yet a simple zone against his team looked like the unsolvable riddle. It was incredible how bad it was

Almost as baffling: Self didn't start the second half in zone
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: The Big Train on January 30, 2018, 11:43:31 AM
The man has coached basketball for decades yet a simple zone against his team looked like the unsolvable riddle. It was incredible how bad it was

Almost as baffling: Self didn't start the second half in zone

Well Self is a good coach and he probably assumed oscar would make a change to combat it.  Obviously Self was wrong for thinking that.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Skipper44 on January 30, 2018, 11:45:10 AM
Self knows Coach Iba is judging him from on High and needed Doke's 3rd foul as cover
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2018, 11:45:27 AM
also most defenses are more effective when the offense has a player you literally don't need to guard at all (Mawein)
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
The man has coached basketball for decades yet a simple zone against his team looked like the unsolvable riddle. It was incredible how bad it was

Then stated without reservation when asked postgame how much he prepped for it with a non chalant 'none'
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Skipper44 on January 30, 2018, 11:46:49 AM
also without consequence
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: #LIFE on January 30, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
also without consequence

being the ice family pet has its perks
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: sys on January 30, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Then stated without reservation when asked postgame how much he prepped for it with a nonchalant 'none'

take this to the weber's likeable traits thread.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on January 30, 2018, 01:32:02 PM
Games like last night that rips are naive hopeful hearts right out of warm purple bodies.  It's like santa capping in you stocking.  Like watching someone shoot your family dog.  I don't mind losing especially if we don't give up, but players looking lost and not adjusting to other team is on the coach.  I watch espn, and they said Weber told his minions that KU is like everyone else in the 1st timeout.  Durrr isn't this something you do before the game?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on January 30, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
also most defenses are more effective when the offense has a player you literally don't need to guard at all (Mawein)

he is amazingly bad
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on January 30, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
I watch espn, and they said Weber told his minions that KU is like everyone else in the 1st timeout. 

It was "we're all people."

:lol:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: jasn88cubs on January 30, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
"SHUTUP oscar"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skqc4HGvT0o[/youtube]
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: jasn88cubs on January 30, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
I love oscar for his blow by handshakes when he loses and his long drawn out conversations when he wins

This is my personal favorite (go to 7:30)

[youtube]https://youtu.be/wLzpEkOIZvk?t=7m39s[/youtube]

Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on January 30, 2018, 04:50:31 PM
Crazy to think Turgeon has been at Maryland since 2011. 
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on January 30, 2018, 07:43:07 PM
Those Maryland jerseys are hot
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 01, 2018, 09:33:54 AM
:lol:

https://twitter.com/sportscollegian/status/958211376681553920

I guess I'm missing the joke here.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197332844.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197332844.html)

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“We had an unbelievable three weeks,” Weber said. “We are 5-4 (Big 12) and we overcame a tragedy.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/dc2b5cb726941b5e535743274bcfa22b/tenor.gif?itemid=5489925)
oscar :facepalm:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2018, 09:47:21 AM
also most defenses are more effective when the offense has a player you literally don't need to guard at all (Mawein)

he is amazingly bad

His 3 pointer was an absolute treat
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
Man, William self is a magician with refs
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
also most defenses are more effective when the offense has a player you literally don't need to guard at all (Mawein)

he is amazingly bad

His 3 pointer was an absolute treat

I know he had at least one shot in the post that barely drew backboard. It may have happened twice.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: jasn88cubs on February 02, 2018, 09:52:53 AM
K-State also had little time to practice for La Salle.

“We had one day for preparation,” Weber said. “You have to play a 13-seed who is better than their seed, and you only get one day to prepare and it wasn’t even really a day. They played at 10 at night and we had practice the next morning at 11. What can you get done? But it is what it is. You can’t make excuses.”
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: MadCat on February 02, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
It wasn't even really a day.

You can't make excuses.

You can make exBruces.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on February 02, 2018, 01:33:06 PM
Should the question instead be do we have any confidence in Oscar?  I am always hopeful about Cat basketball, but I am skeptical that Weber will ever get us to the top of Glory Mountain.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on February 03, 2018, 07:42:05 PM
It is time for canned weiners.  The Oscar has to be let go.  Worse loss since the creation of time.  Kim Anderson bad.  I have started my annual cussing fits.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: CHONGS on February 03, 2018, 07:46:44 PM
Chin up, u and wacky will be back to scold us after the next win.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: kso_FAN on February 03, 2018, 08:09:42 PM
30 point conference losses in back to back seasons. That seems bad.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: mocat on February 03, 2018, 09:22:07 PM
30 point conference losses in back to back seasons. That seems bad.

But Frank has only won 4 tournament games in 5 seasons with usc
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on February 03, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
Rumblings on KSO that #oscar threw some postgame shade at the schedule-makers for putting the 'cats up against ku and wvu back-to-back.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: LeggoKatZ on February 03, 2018, 09:47:18 PM
(https://scontent.fmci1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/27781761_4362263133408_1202165952_n.jpg?oh=224942f16a15abd7dc925337b2d31f6e&oe=5A788F96)

 :buh-bye:
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on February 03, 2018, 10:09:27 PM
Don't play on the railroad tracks son.  But mommy, a train won't come down these tracks.  Foolish optimism.  To the highball express down the track and has rattled us poor foolish purple saps.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 04, 2018, 11:03:58 AM
Two things driving me crazy about oscar right now:
1. Arbitrary two fouls and you're done for the half
2. Insisting on playing Love and Stockard instead of another guard.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: BackPayne on February 04, 2018, 11:17:10 AM
Stockard is absolutely awful. Haow can oscar be so inept at recruiting talent?
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: The Big Train on February 04, 2018, 11:48:14 AM
Stockard is absolutely awful. Haow can oscar be so inept at recruiting talent?

Wut? He recruits NBA talent dumbass
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: Trim on February 04, 2018, 12:02:07 PM
It's really pretty incredible that he can recruit anyone at all, with how many alternatives there are these days.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: jasn88cubs on February 04, 2018, 12:16:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYyyX-GxbG8

a blow by fist bump
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: BackPayne on February 04, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
Stockard is absolutely awful. Haow can oscar be so inept at recruiting talent?

Wut? He recruits NBA talent dumbass

Like Mawein, Stockard, and Patrick? We have 2, maybe 3 players that actually make huge impact. Claws and The Flush have carried this team, beyond that we are very meh.  Our bench is straight up awful. And our bigs are? Yikes.
Title: Re: How come we don't love Oscar?
Post by: renocat on February 04, 2018, 04:52:37 PM
Recruits big shots, but can land anyone.  He must.fish with poor bait.