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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 03:15:49 PM
would you take oscar winning the b12 regular season outright, breaking seff’s streak, and losing in the first round of the ncaa and b12 if it meant we also had to keep oscar for 4 more years?
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Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 03:18:10 PM
Yes
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Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2018, 03:19:07 PM
Of course.
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Post by: ChiComCat on January 24, 2018, 03:19:40 PM
Yes, but partially because I think we are keeping oscar for 4 years anyway
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 03:21:08 PM
ftr- I would too but a regular season title means crap compared to ncaa successfulnesses
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Post by: cfbandyman on January 24, 2018, 03:21:24 PM
Sure, I mean we'll be good at least through next year.
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Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2018, 03:23:09 PM
Is this even a real question?
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Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
I mean, making a deep run in the tournament is super fun, but unless you win it all you still just get a participation ribbon, right? I’d probably put a FF on par with a conference championship, but that’s it.
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Post by: 'taterblast on January 24, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
yes, conference regular season trophies are v important
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
you better believe it
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 03:30:07 PM
Is this even a real question?
ya it is
I want oscar gone tomorrow
I don’t care about conference records w/o corresponding ncaa success.  because anyone with a brain will tell you that tournament success is how you grade coaches and programs

so far the consensus is that people will ignore oscar’s history of suck shittingness in the ncaa just to crap on bill self
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 03:31:08 PM
yes, conference regular season trophies are v important
tell that to shaka
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Post by: The Big Train on January 24, 2018, 03:36:10 PM
No.  I remember the elite 8 run way more than winning a share of the Big 12 Championship.  You know why?  Because having a chance to still be playing in April is what people equate to a programs overall success and so do I.
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Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2018, 03:38:06 PM
No.  I remember the elite 8 run way more than winning a share of the Big 12 Championship.  You know why?  Because having a chance to still be playing in April is what people equate to a programs overall success and so do I.

In case you forget about that championship again, just refer to the title of our entire rough ridin' sports board.
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
No.  I remember the elite 8 run way more than winning a share of the Big 12 Championship.  You know why?  Because having a chance to still be playing in April is what people equate to a programs overall success and so do I.

this is really a great summary of the calculus
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Post by: The Big Train on January 24, 2018, 03:41:34 PM
No.  I remember the elite 8 run way more than winning a share of the Big 12 Championship.  You know why?  Because having a chance to still be playing in April is what people equate to a programs overall success and so do I.

In case you forget about that championship again, just refer to the title of our entire rough ridin' sports board.

Do we have banners of our conference championships hanging in the octagon or do we have final fours hanging?
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Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 03:45:26 PM
The people that say no get no championship and no Ncaa wins and oscar for 4 more years still
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Post by: #LIFE on January 24, 2018, 03:47:12 PM
No.  I remember the elite 8 run way more than winning a share of the Big 12 Championship.  You know why?  Because having a chance to still be playing in April is what people equate to a programs overall success and so do I.

In case you forget about that championship again, just refer to the title of our entire rough ridin' sports board.

Do we have banners of our conference championships hanging in the octagon or do we have final fours hanging?

First Four
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Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
They are just different.

I have a high appreciation for a conference title simply because they are so rare for our program. It's a very cool thing.

However, it can never match the excitement and emotion of an elite 8 run. l won't deny that.
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.
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Post by: The Big Train on January 24, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.

What percentage is more likely to happen, Dlew12?  Calculus that out for me TIA
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 04:01:14 PM
They are just different.

I have a high appreciation for a conference title simply because they are so rare for our program. It's a very cool thing.

However, it can never match the excitement and emotion of an elite 8 run. l won't deny that.
using history to predict the future says that oscar won’t go anywhere in the ncaa

a new coach w/o the dr pepper at least has a chance
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.

What percentage is more likely to happen, Dlew12?  Calculus that out for me TIA
12.5% of tornament teams make the elite 8.  10% of big 12 teams drink the 23 flavors.

calculus thwarted.
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Post by: The Big Train on January 24, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.

What percentage is more likely to happen, Dlew12?  Calculus that out for me TIA
12.5% of tornament teams make the elite 8.  10% of big 12 teams drink the 23 flavors.

calculus thwarted.

Wrong.

There are 351 D1 teams.  Eight of which make an elite 8 = 2.2% chance a team makes an elite 8 every year.  There are 10 teams that can win a Dr Pepper, so either 10/20% of them will.

Apply Scarcity Principle of Social Psychology and the more scarce a thing is the higher importance it has.  Therefore making an elite 8 is more important and has a higher value placed on it.
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 04:07:29 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.

What percentage is more likely to happen, Dlew12?  Calculus that out for me TIA
12.5% of tornament teams make the elite 8.  10% of big 12 teams drink the 23 flavors.

calculus thwarted.

you love oscar  :love:
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Post by: Trim on January 24, 2018, 04:09:04 PM
I appreciated d-rew running the math based on 64 torney teams.
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Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 04:13:23 PM
Which 8 teams were in the elite 8 last year without looking
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 04:14:15 PM
living with CAS this year has opened my eyes to the majesty of oscar.  i am a true believer.  i will be attending the next two cats games in the octagon of oscar.
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Post by: Brock Landers on January 24, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
Don't you mean The Oscargon of Doom?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2018, 04:20:27 PM
Dlew, how many play in teams have made the sweet 16 and beyond since they went to 68? 3? La Salle, VCU, and Syracuse?
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 04:21:13 PM
Dlew, how many play in teams have made the sweet 16 and beyond since they went to 68? 3? La Salle, VCU, and Syracuse?
i haven't a clue wacky.  i know barely anything about college basketball.
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Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 04:25:37 PM
Dlew, how many play in teams have made the sweet 16 and beyond since they went to 68? 3? La Salle, VCU, and Syracuse?

what's the point here?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2018, 04:29:10 PM
Those teams are part of the Tournament. :thumbs:
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Post by: pissclams on January 24, 2018, 04:32:16 PM
Those teams are part of the Tournament. :thumbs:

remember- we’re all #1Cat, just a question about the possibility about today versus the certainty of tomorrow
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Post by: meow meow on January 24, 2018, 04:32:41 PM
yes they make the tournament field
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 24, 2018, 04:42:21 PM
Those teams are part of the Tournament. :thumbs:

remember- we’re all #1Cat, just a question about the possibility about today versus the certainty of tomorrow
:thumbs: To answer your original question, of course I'd take it! Watching KU peeps meltdown is one of my favorite things in thee entire world. Especially if we crap the bed afterwards. :love: I understand your concern for the future, but I'd still take the 'ship with everyone coming back next year.
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Post by: tdaver on January 24, 2018, 05:03:26 PM
I’m with clams and TBT on this one.  That E8 run was incredible and ultimately life changing for me.  I want that again and it’s hard to imagine it happening with Oscar in charge.  Would be great if it did, but :ck:.  Dr Pepper is secondary to that, and I don’t care about Self’s streak other than I want Cats to win stuff.
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Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
In what scenario do you see Weber not being the head basketball coach in 2022
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Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2018, 05:14:05 PM
I'd rather be 4th in conference and make a rough ridin' round of 32 more than once every oh wait we've never done that with oscar
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Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
In what scenario do you see Weber not being the head basketball coach in 2022

A collapse this season plus a tournament miss next year would be certain doom.
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Post by: stunted on January 24, 2018, 05:25:00 PM
no, i'd give him a lifetime contract and a statue :love:
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Post by: kso_FAN on January 24, 2018, 05:51:17 PM
living with CAS this year has opened my eyes to the majesty of oscar.  i am a true believer.  i will be attending the next two cats games in the octagon of oscar.

Can't wait.
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Post by: Canary on January 24, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
living with CAS this year has opened my eyes to the majesty of oscar.  i am a true believer.  i will be attending the next two cats games in the octagon of oscar.

Can't wait.
Sadly, I can't go Monday because of a work conflict until at least tipoff. Hopefully I can get there Saturday.
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Post by: gatoveintisiet on January 24, 2018, 06:12:06 PM
I’ll take the conference ship all day er’day because irl that means we are good which will translate to good runs in the torney
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Post by: wetwillie on January 24, 2018, 06:26:09 PM
I’ll take the conference ship all day er’day because irl that means we are good which will translate to good runs in the torney

La salle called and said how's my ass taste
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 24, 2018, 06:39:54 PM
No deal but counter? would you trade losing every game the rest of this season for a new coach and e8 next season?
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on January 24, 2018, 07:26:04 PM
So is this the new anti oscar narrative?  Interesting.

I'll take the Big 12 Championship.  Any team that wins this league has had to win some brutally tough games home and away. 

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Post by: stunted on January 24, 2018, 07:53:58 PM
guys can we stop with all the division and picking sides? we have a big game this saturday and we need to stick together! inside we are all wildcats
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Post by: renocat on January 24, 2018, 09:53:14 PM
Remaining games, we win at least 8 more.
I think if Oscar has big success, he will be offered a job elsewhere, then it will be? ?????? :Crybaby:
 :cactus: :White flag:
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Post by: DQ12 on January 24, 2018, 10:42:52 PM
my fandom rankings
1. King oscar
2. K-State
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on January 24, 2018, 11:48:38 PM
8 teams get to the elite 8 every year.  only 1 (MAYBE 2) get a dr. pepper.  factor that into your calculus and smoke it.

What percentage is more likely to happen, Dlew12?  Calculus that out for me TIA
12.5% of tornament teams make the elite 8.  10% of big 12 teams drink the 23 flavors.

calculus thwarted.

Wrong.

There are 351 D1 teams.  Eight of which make an elite 8 = 2.2% chance a team makes an elite 8 every year.  There are 10 teams that can win a Dr Pepper, so either 10/20% of them will.

Apply Scarcity Principle of Social Psychology and the more scarce a thing is the higher importance it has.  Therefore making an elite 8 is more important and has a higher value placed on it.
#calculated
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Post by: SPEmaw on January 25, 2018, 02:34:36 PM
In this year's version of the B12...i'd say being in the title hunt into the last week or the season and ending up an outright second or tied for first would = a Sweet 16 appearance. Winning outright and ending KU's streak would = an Elite 8 Run. A FF appearance would obviously trump anything short of a perfect B12 season or something and even then a FF would probably be more exciting in the long run.

Man, the E8 run was incredible.