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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on January 16, 2018, 11:08:57 PM
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Destroyed them in the 2nd half...
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Barry, Wade, Sneed, Diarra continue to impress.
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Fan, 1st thanks for the earilier post predicting a win. Made my day, and knew tonight would be special. I thought the drive by Catrier in the midle of the second half were huge. I think he is a better driver and as good of shooter as Cam. I wish he would otherwise not have brain fart doofus moments. Claws is becoming the monster everyone thought he could be. Flush is my guy though. Defender of the hole.
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young with conference record 12 TOs...I wonder what the NCAA record is..
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49 Pts in 34 2nd half Possessions.
You know it's a great half when you have almost as many 3pt makes as FG misses. All in all, 24 FG/FT makes to only 7 FG/FT misses in the second 20 minutes.
Ou made 1 push in the 1st half. They went 5-5 with four 3pt during a 16-3 run. The other 36 minutes, you have to really love the Defensive effort.
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God bless Lon for letting Young play that way. What a joy to watch, even with the turnovers.
(Note I'm not saying this like I really think Lon is dumb, I'm seriously glad we get to see a player like that play like that)
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Can you imagine Frank with young firing the basketball all over the gym!
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SC said we only scored 4 points off Young's 12 turnovers.
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Can you imagine Frank with young firing the basketball all over the gym!
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Would be terribly scary
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Just when i think oscar couldn't get any dumber, he does something like this......and totally redeems himself!!!! :Woot:
Nah...my position hasn't changed. But i'm walking a little taller today with just a bit more bounce in my step :)
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I like the balance now in the offense with driving to the basket, mid range jumpers, and good.look 3 points. After the game on the radio, Weber said he has had to simplify the offense to match the players' skills, and running the offense through Claws. It's working. The Biggers SCORED 4 POINTS, who had the assist on these points?
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God bless Lon for letting Young play that way. What a joy to watch, even with the turnovers.
(Note I'm not saying this like I really think Lon is dumb, I'm seriously glad we get to see a player like that play like that)
Its good long term. But when a guy is involved in 48% of your possessions and has a 0.73 ORting you are going to lose most of the time.
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SC said we only scored 4 points off Young's 12 turnovers.
Maybe 4 fastbreak points? Although I remember Barry scoring four of those in a really short time span.
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Lon left K-State because he thought it was too hard to win in Manhattan. Guess he was right.
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young with conference record 12 TOs...I wonder what the NCAA record is..
Some kid had 14 in 1999, but I don't think that's the record.
God bless Lon for letting Young play that way. What a joy to watch, even with the turnovers.
(Note I'm not saying this like I really think Lon is dumb, I'm seriously glad we get to see a player like that play like that)
I've seen him play a few times this year and he looked to be forcing it a lot more last night than he has in the past. I thought the forced 25 footers while guarded were much more problematic than the turnovers. He has the ability to get to the rim against most college players, he went at Cartier, not so much Barry. I thought last night was the first time it was evident the Curry comparisons were in his head.
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young with conference record 12 TOs...I wonder what the NCAA record is..
Some kid had 14 in 1999, but I don't think that's the record.
God bless Lon for letting Young play that way. What a joy to watch, even with the turnovers.
(Note I'm not saying this like I really think Lon is dumb, I'm seriously glad we get to see a player like that play like that)
I've seen him play a few times this year and he looked to be forcing it a lot more last night than he has in the past. I thought the forced 25 footers while guarded were much more problematic than the turnovers. He has the ability to get to the rim against most college players, he went at Cartier, not so much Barry. I thought last night was the first time it was evident the Curry comparisons were in his head.
I still thought it was a joy to watch him. I'm like amazed a college coach would even let a player practice like that to discover he could play like that. Steph completely changed the game and there's gonna be more Trae Young's and I'm really excited about that.
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To be fair, Lon has always let his guys play like that. Young is a better version of Buddy Hield. The NBA game rubbed off on him.
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I really liked what I saw from Mawien last night. His energy was fantastic and had some great moves to get to the basket. :ksu:
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To be fair, Lon has always let his guys play like that. Young is a better version of Buddy Hield. The NBA game rubbed off on him.
To be fair Hield never played like that. No one has played like that in college in my lifetime. Hield shot a lot of threes but that's about the only similarity in how they play.
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To be fair, Lon has always let his guys play like that. Young is a better version of Buddy Hield. The NBA game rubbed off on him.
To be fair Hield never played like that. No one has played like that in college in my lifetime. Hield shot a lot of threes but that's about the only similarity in how they play.
True. He wasn't the point guard/creator that Young is, but you know what I mean. Lon let's his guys play and Young is a perfect fit for that. Not many college coaches would give him that much freedom.
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I mean Steph didn't even play like Steph until he was in the league six years and on his third coach. They're just now understanding what can happen when you extend the offense well beyond the three point line.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
I'm hopeful we have the leadership and drive from the players that oscar needs for this to happen. That's definitely not his forte, but when he has the guys to bring it his teams can be pretty good. We'll see.
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To be fair, Lon has always let his guys play like that. Young is a better version of Buddy Hield. The NBA game rubbed off on him.
To be fair Hield never played like that. No one has played like that in college in my lifetime. Hield shot a lot of threes but that's about the only similarity in how they play.
True. He wasn't the point guard/creator that Young is, but you know what I mean. Lon let's his guys play and Young is a perfect fit for that. Not many college coaches would give him that much freedom.
I get what you mean, but I think Young's play is a huge departure even for coaches that give more freedom than most. It's a complete adjustment in strategy and how the game is played more than just giving a guy the green light.
And I'd argue the way Lon used Hield was closer to how oscar used McGruder than how Lon uses Young. I mean Hield never had a season where he shot more often than Marcus Foster did for oscar as a freshman.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
this is a good summary. oscar has been as good or better at recruiting, which I didn't expect.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
I'm hopeful we have the leadership and drive from the players that oscar needs for this to happen. That's definitely not his forte, but when he has the guys to bring it his teams can be pretty good. We'll see.
I agree this is the key in a Weber team. And I agree with MIR that the magic of Frank’s teams (and to an extent Huggins as well) is that effort is a given.
Still, this season, Brown gives me a lot of hope we can keep it up. He’s got to be the best leader we’ve had in the Weber era. I also really like how Diarra has stepped up. There was one possession late in the second half where Diarra took it past half court and Brown came up to take the ball and Diarra aggressively waived him off before driving straight to the basket for an easy two.
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The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
Players were scared to quit on Frank, Oscar not so much. Frank was more primal in his approach, Oscar more cerebral. I think Frank really liked, and took a personal interest in his players. Not sure Oscar does that so much. Over time, I think Frank's approach was more consistently successful, but am hoping Oscar's approach will be effective through March....
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
Completely agree. In fact last night (and this is depressing) I was almost unhappy in a way that our crowd was so good because I knew that's usually the only way oscar's teams play that hard.
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
Completely agree. In fact last night (and this is depressing) I was almost unhappy in a way that our crowd was so good because I knew that's usually the only way oscar's teams play that hard.
My feel is that more leadership is coming from the players this year. Brown is definitely a leader and Sneed is an energy guy. Wade is just really good/talented and starting to figure out how to play. Cartier seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I liked Wes and DJamer, but I don't think either was the leader that this group has now and it showed last year. That's what gives me hope, which very well may burn me again.
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Really good article from Dodd with Young's dad. I didn't realize his dad was Rayford Young, really good player for Tech in the late 90s. I remember watching him play.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/trae-young-has-the-support-system-if-not-the-on-court-help-for-even-his-worst-game/
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last night was the annual episode of Good oscar that allows him to keep his job. the team plays with energy, shoots well, and is completely fun to watch.
i hope to see many more episodes of Good oscar this season.
The biggest difference between oscar's program here in comparison to Frank's is playing with energy and purpose was the expectation for Frank's teams, it was cultural. Games like this come and go for oscar's teams because the expectation and toughness isn't built in. Sure, Frank's teams had the occasional compete dog of a game but it was rarely if ever due to effort and energy. The greatest dog crap game I can remember Frank's team playing was that Texas game where we lost by a billion. But that wasn't due to a lack of effort, they still defended, that was just the most inept offensive performance I've ever seen from a K-State team. Under oscar we have games like the Tulsa game five or six times a year.
Completely agree. In fact last night (and this is depressing) I was almost unhappy in a way that our crowd was so good because I knew that's usually the only way oscar's teams play that hard.
My feel is that more leadership is coming from the players this year. Brown is definitely a leader and Sneed is an energy guy. Wade is just really good/talented and starting to figure out how to play. Cartier seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I liked Wes and DJamer, but I don't think either was the leader that this group has now and it showed last year. That's what gives me hope, which very well may burn me again.
:thumbs:
I think Frank really liked, and took a personal interest in his players. Not sure Oscar does that so much.
I think the players like him.
On the somewhat related topic of these two posts, was this ever discussed?
https://twitter.com/barrybrown05/status/950521759564029952
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i'm definitely in between
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On the somewhat related topic of these two posts, was this ever discussed?
https://twitter.com/barrybrown05/status/950521759564029952
that’s rich coming from a player who has decided to start holding practices without his coach
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Against.
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Against.
We know, bro.
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i think cats broke trae young
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never mind...
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Yikes. That post didn’t age well
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14 for 39 but 40 percent from 3. Eight assists to seven turnovers. The bad part was his The Flush like late-game heroics. Pokes were so intent on covering him, it looked like the rest of the team was open.
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14 for 39 but 40 percent from 3. Eight assists to seven turnovers. The bad part was his The Flush like late-game heroics. Pokes were so intent on covering him, it looked like the rest of the team was open.
The rest of the team was god awful at shooting the basketball yesterday.