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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
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What a time to be alive
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kenpom says it was better last year, and that appears to be accurate. ku not being the best team makes it slightly more interesting maybe, at least for fans of the other contending teams.
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It's pretty awesome and fun to watch. League is so entertaining and competitive
1) Trae Young
2)TCU has played 3 OT games and had 1,4 pt losses
3) Ku is -6 on points after 3 home games
4) 2 teams that were 11-25 in Big 12 last year are in the Top 10
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4) 2 teams that were 11-25 in Big 12 last year are in the Top 10
So there's hope when Oscar gets one good team out of his Wade, Brown, Kam class?
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kenpom says it was better last year, and that appears to be accurate. ku not being the best team makes it slightly more interesting maybe, at least for fans of the other contending teams.
When I'm watching these games the last thing I'm thinking about is how good the conference kenpom is. Really, who gives a crap?
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well, me.
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Not following college basketball much the last few years has really set me up to get blindsided by tech being the crap this year
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I am pretty impressed with Chris Beard. Texas Tech is his first Power 5 job.
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
in what way?
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
in what way?
Everyone can beat everyone.
Young is the best player I've seen in a long time.
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
i had predicted it to be flat and it is
a lot of pretty good teams and a couple really good teams
overall I don’t know if it’s the best i’ve seen compared to the 06/07 durant/ku league
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i still haven't seen ou play. last year was more competitive (and better overall).
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i still haven't seen ou play. last year was more competitive (and better overall).
What are you talking about? Last year the conference champ lost two games and won the league by four damn games. I bet you every dollar I got that won't be close to happening this year. I bet everyone has two losses by the end of the month.
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
i had predicted it to be flat and it is
a lot of pretty good teams and a couple really good teams
overall I don’t know if it’s the best i’ve seen compared to the 06/07 durant/ku league
I'm not sure the top is really great this year, that's not what I'm saying. I just know there aren't any dreadful teams this year.
i still haven't seen ou play. last year was more competitive (and better overall).
"I haven't watched one of the best teams with one of the best players play, but I can say last year was much better."
Is this really what you said there sys?
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NBA Twitter goes bezerk whenever Trae Young plays. He may have the highest usage rate in kenpom history. I only watched the second half of his WSU game but he's pretty special
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NBA Twitter goes bezerk whenever Trae Young plays. He may have the highest usage rate in kenpom history. I only watched the second half of his WSU game but he's pretty special
I've watched him several times. His 40.5% Poss% is the highest in kenpom, a couple guys had 38.9%. He's made or assisted on 58% of OU's made FGs. That is crazy.
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"I haven't watched one of the best teams with one of the best players play, but I can say last year was much better."
Is this really what you said there sys?
kenpom. it'd be more reliable than my eyes even if i'd seen every game. and isu is worse than any team was last year.
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"I haven't watched one of the best teams with one of the best players play, but I can say last year was much better."
Is this really what you said there sys?
kenpom. it'd be more reliable than my eyes even if i'd seen every game. and isu is worse than any team was last year.
True. OU/UT only dropped into the 80s at their lowest points last year.
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Last year the conference champ lost two games and won the league by four damn games. I bet you every dollar I got that won't be close to happening this year. I bet everyone has two losses by the end of the month.
6, 7, 13, 17, 22, 29, 30, 41, 65, 70 v 5, 10, 11, 13, 27, 38, 43, 44, 57, 97.
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In postgame Self said he expected them to do what they did last year and get Wade a shot
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Last year the conference champ lost two games and won the league by four damn games. I bet you every dollar I got that won't be close to happening this year. I bet everyone has two losses by the end of the month.
6, 7, 13, 17, 22, 29, 30, 41, 65, 70 v 5, 10, 11, 13, 27, 38, 43, 44, 57, 97.
That has nothing to with what you replied to
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In postgame Self said he expected them to do what they did last year and get Wade a shot
He expected a pick and pop, wow! Self is just a clairvoyant as roughly half of the people watching that game :rolleyes:
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Updated stat chart.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTh7KaQV4AA7E03.jpg:large)
Also, Big 12 games SOS according to kenpom so far:
1. TCU
2. KSU
3. WVU
4. BU
5. OU
6. Tech
7. UT
8. OSU
9. KU
10. ISU
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6, 7, 13, 17, 22, 29, 30, 41, 65, 70 v 5, 10, 11, 13, 27, 38, 43, 44, 57, 97.
That has nothing to with what you replied to
:rolleyes:
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6, 7, 13, 17, 22, 29, 30, 41, 65, 70 v 5, 10, 11, 13, 27, 38, 43, 44, 57, 97.
That has nothing to with what you replied to
:rolleyes:
Yeah exactly
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Individual stats (used all games for these):
(https://image.ibb.co/hGVNhR/Big_12_Individual_Stats.png)
Dean and Barry making a case for All Big 12 of some sort.
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In the 8 games vs P6 teams, Barry is doing this
22.1 Pts
55.9 eFG
54.3 2pt%
39.5 3pt%
78.2 FT%
His last 14 games overall, he is 58.3 on 2pt%. Last year he was 46.6 overall and 44.9 in the 25 games vs P6.
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More regression of players under oscar, sad really....
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I'm betting the league gets at least one team in the final 8 of the NCAA tourney!!! :excited: :Woohoo: :excited: (ftp://:excited: :Woohoo: :excited:)
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It's a great, fun league. Best I've ever seen.
in what way?
Everyone can beat everyone.
Young is the best player I've seen in a long time.
I said Young was the best player back in early December. It's just that none of us were watching the Cats beat ATandT Central back then.
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Individual stats (used all games for these):
(https://image.ibb.co/hGVNhR/Big_12_Individual_Stats.png)
Dean and Barry making a case for All Big 12 of some sort.
If you look at the Porpagatu stat for big 12 play here is what would be the three Big 12 teams.
(https://photos-6.dropbox.com/t/2/AADtr6YGl858F5D2hS8iJJ7bnL3d0O_qBOXGbQOZYcHEOA/12/296052661/png/32x32/3/1516071600/0/2/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-15%20at%202.48.14%20PM.png/EKyS8p8CGJ-6diAHKAc/7U-nlG3OvDfOTsI-zlqTL_VnuBoE04lFPau-VwUyYSE?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=2048x1536&size_mode=3)
Dean and Brown will be the two highest PPG!(Porpagatu) returning next year in the Big 12. I don't feel great about them to continuing to play this well for the rest of the season.
Here is Diarra for anyone who is interested.
Rank Name MIN % PPG! ORTG USG . EFG
28 Cartier Diarra 66.0 3.4 112.8 18.6 69.7
Link to data: http://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?link=y&sIndex=28&minusage=0&minGP=0&minORtg=0&mineFG=0&minTS=0&minOR=0&minDR=0&minAst=0&minTO=100&minBlk=0&minStl=0&min2P=0&min3P=0&minFT=0&minftr=0&minht=0&maxht=100&minftm=0&minfta=0&minthreepm=0&minthreepa=0&mintwopm=0&mintwopa=0&sortToggle=0&yvalue=All&cvalue=B12&tvalue=All&year=2018&minmin=40&c=1&top=351&kw=&start=20171101&end=20180501&ppg=-10
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I don't want to play OU or WVU. Damn.
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Lols at Bill copying Hugs with the pullover - of course Adidas has to add the weird collar thing that makes him look like a priest in summer
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Lols at Bill copying Hugs with the pullover - of course Adidas has to add the weird collar thing that makes him look like a priest in summer
Hugs gave it to him before tip.
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Self gonna Self.
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Yep, Huggy gave Self that pullover.
Does anyone know why Teddy Allen did not play tonight?
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Self is going to get himself another Big 12 Chip. Amazing.
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Yep, Huggy gave Self that pullover.
Does anyone know why Teddy Allen did not play tonight?
Great question. Huggs didn't even play one of the best scorers in the league.
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/953118380789260288
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WV offense in the 2nd half was just bad.
Konate made a hoop on their 1st Poss of 2nd half. After that, they did this...
23 Pts
34 Poss
11 TOs
35.2 eFG
Ku went on 7-0 run when Carter went to bench with 4th foul. But I got to question Carter just jacking up 3 contested 3pt in last 90 seconds. Each shot, they were down 3. I don't think he forced a 3 all night til then.
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How in the hell does Teddy Allen sit with that half-court offense as bad as it is?
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How in the hell does Teddy Allen sit with that half-court offense as bad as it is?
Wesley Harris is 9-42 FG in his last 8 games.
Ahmad/West/ Allen should be getting bulk of the minutes at the 3/4 spots.
For some reason, Allen just 5 min last 2 games with Ahmad back
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Didn't watch Ok St & Baylor. Looked at box score. It was a tight game (1 pt Baylor lead with 14-15 minutes to play). Then Lecomte and Bears went off. 43 pts in next 21 Possessions. He ended with 30
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Didn't watch Ok St & Baylor. Looked at box score. It was a tight game (1 pt Baylor lead with 14-15 minutes to play). Then Lecomte and Bears went off. 43 pts in next 21 Possessions. He ended with 30
I watched, both of those teams are gross but Baylor's bigs are going to harm us.
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1) OkSt got out to 25-6 lead. At the half it's 42-30. Ou just 0.77 PPP so far. Trae just 4-15 FGs
2) WV 32-22 over Texas at half. 15-2 run to end half. Texas had 13 straight Possessions where they didn't score. Huggy holding them to 0.67 PPP
3) Isu leading Tech 33-25. Tech shooting under 40% eFG
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What a game
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congratulations, ku. 43 straight big 12 championships may not sound like much, but it's more than 42.
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:ROFL: at the play that Lon drew up at the end of that game, a one man press break, lol
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congratulations, ku. 43 straight big 12 championships may not sound like much, but it's more than 42.
I allowed myself to be sucked into my annual KU is down this year and the streak won't continue thoughts per usual
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7 Big 12 games in the books for everyone.
KState =
#1 in 2pt% (54.2)
#1 in 3pt% (42.0)
#1 in eFG (57.4)
#4 in FTs (74.8), #2 is 75.5%
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Updated:
(https://image.ibb.co/n8eQeG/Big_12_Advanced_League.png)
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Wasn't ku near the bottom in FTR coming into confy play? Now they lead the confy?? :flush:
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Cats have really been good in 2nd half in Big 12 games =
Our eFG is 63.1%
Worst 2nd half is 55.6 eFG
71-112 2pt (63.4%)
25-60 3pt (41.7%)
75-98 FT (76.5%)
Our Opponents are 50.5 eFG on 184 FGA. Also FTs 83% (78-94)
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Wasn't ku near the bottom in FTR coming into confy play? Now they lead the confy?? :flush:
Is that accurate, _FAN? If so :lol:
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Ku's FTR was 17.4 in their 12 non con games.
They have attempted 15 more FTs in their 7 Big 12 games than those 12 non-con
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Ku's FTR was 17.4 in their 12 non con games.
They have attempted 15 more FTs in their 7 Big 12 games than those 12 non-con
Big 12 FT rate is 37.4%. So yeah, it's jumped up a little bit.
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KU will get lots of free throws due to Azubuike. End of game situations, other teams should foul him til they have to take him out. Might as well foul him early before the refs have a chance to make their inevitable bad call on one of their guards driving to the rim.
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Big 12 coaches will never do it but Hack-a-Doke is the best crunch time defense in Allen Fieldhouse - hopefully Hugs will try it
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Big 12 coaches will never do it but Hack-a-Doke is the best crunch time defense in Allen Fieldhouse - hopefully Hugs will try it
Baylor fouled him, I believe three different times, late.
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WTF is happening to WV?
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Obviously didn't watch the game but 62 points with a minute left is sticking out.
I haven't watched them much since they started the slide but I do know they started sucking when Asa Ahmad came back and Teddy Allen stopped getting minutes.
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Damn, remember when Frank did this to Jake for one game and we were ready to burn it down. He didn't even bench a dude who punched a Texas Tech student.
The benching of West Virginia freshman Teddy Allen appears likely to continue Saturday against Texas, with Bob Huggins saying coaches are “in the process of teaching Teddy to listen.”
The forward who produced three games of 20-plus points this season was yanked in the first half at Texas Tech and did not return. Allen subsequently was benched throughout a 71-66 loss to Kansas, with Huggins citing the need for an attitude adjustment.
“Teddy needs to be quiet and listen,” Huggins told his weekly radio audience on Thursday.
Asked if Allen would play against Texas, the coach replied, “I don’t think so.”
The coach reiterated his stance Friday before West Virginia’s practice at the Coliseum.
Allen’s defense has been spotty and he’s shooting only 3-of-22 from 3-point range (13 percent), but his slashing ability and post-up work against guards have boosted West Virginia’s halfcourt attack. The newcomer nicknamed “Teddy Buckets” is averaging 8.6 points and 12 minutes per game, highlighted by scoring 20 points on 9-of-11 shooting in the Jan. 6 win over then-No. 7 Oklahoma.
While acknowledging Allen’s absence exacerbated the late offensive drought against Kansas — “there’s no doubt it hurt us,” — Huggins deemed the benching necessary to reinforce disciplinary standards.
In recent seasons Huggins informally suspended All-Big 12 point guard Juwan Staten and starting center Elijah Macon. Konate also was benched for a game last month.
“It’s better to lay the law down early so they can understand,” Huggins said. “When you tell them something and draw the line, and they don’t recognize where the line is, then you have to teach them what the line means.”
Amid some fans clamoring for Allen’s return to the rotation, former WVU player Alex Ruoff defended Huggins’ decision.
“You’d have the ask the HOF coach and the 60-plus years of coaching experience in his staff,” Ruoff tweeted. “For myself, having played for them, know they’re playing the players who give us the best chance to win.”
Huggins said Allen’s potential requires a reset: “I think he can be a really good player and, more importantly, I think he can be a really good guy.”
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So if OU can beat KU tomorrow, our game with the hawks would be for a share of the big 12 lead after 9 conference games.
The point of that being there instead of where we were predicted to be in the standings, not that that is the be all end all of the season.
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Worst court storming ever?
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Worst court storming ever?
Easily
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So if OU can beat KU tomorrow, our game with the hawks would be for a share of the big 12 lead after 9 conference games.
This is an exciting prospect to me.
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university of texas technology is looking a little crazy tonight! what is going on in the big 12?!?
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OU doesn't have 'It'
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Hack-A-Doke!!
Effing Beautiful, Lonnie.
I'm sure Ku nation is in an uproar, saying some of those should be intentional, that it should be illegal.
LMFAO :ROFL:
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So if OU can beat KU tomorrow, our game with the hawks would be for a share of the big 12 lead after 9 conference games.
This is an exciting prospect to me.
Well it's happening
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university of texas technology is looking a little crazy tonight! what is going on in the big 12?!?
this post did not age well!!
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It's on. Sqwawks have ben served.
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Classic 12-5 upset
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Last 7:00, both teams had 13 possessions. Ou scored 15 Ku just 4.
Doke did go 0-6 FTs. But that was only 4 Possessions. Ku still failed to score on 7 of the other 9 times they had it late. Ku looked little lost when Doke had to go just stand away from basket and not move so he wouldn't get fouled.
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So if OU can beat KU tomorrow, our game with the hawks would be for a share of the big 12 lead after 9 conference games.
This is an exciting prospect to me.
Well it's happening
Now we need to do our part in setting ourselves up to get and stay on top.
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OU doesn't have 'It'
:lol:
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He (Trae Young) didn't beat us, the refs did!1!!
Trae Young is a great player who was fairly insignificant tonight. Best I've seen him defended this year to be honest.
Their basketball knowledge is hilariously bad.
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OU doesn't have 'It'
:lol:
You savage
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graham went 4-19 :lol:
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He (Trae Young) didn't beat us, the refs did!1!!
Trae Young is a great player who was fairly insignificant tonight. Best I've seen him defended this year to be honest.
Their basketball knowledge is hilariously bad.
Lol that has to be a troll, Led his team with 26 pts, 9 assists, and was lights out from the field.
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graham went 4-19 :lol:
Him being a meh PG is a main reason they'll get bounced the first weekend of the tourny.
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graham went 4-19 :lol:
Him being a meh PG is a main reason they'll get bounced the first weekend of the tourny.
he’s a poor man’s b2j
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He (Trae Young) didn't beat us, the refs did!1!!
Trae Young is a great player who was fairly insignificant tonight. Best I've seen him defended this year to be honest.
Their basketball knowledge is hilariously bad.
Lol that has to be a troll, Led his team with 26 pts, 9 assists, and was lights out from the field.
26 pts on 9 fga. 9 ast 2 to. Amaze
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Lol. No kidding. If he didn't miss a FGA or FTA, he would have 33 pts. He got 26. Pretty efficient shooting.
His teammates shot 51% eFG and 10-13 FTs. So they did fine just. Trae didn't need to shoot 30 FGAs.
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Yup.
And the thing is, he literally creates almost every one of those shots his teammates take, even if he doesn't get an assist. A lot of the free throws they got were on would be assists from Trae that KU fouled on as well. And the last few minutes of the game, he was either scoring or creating wide open looks.
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Looks like their loss to Okie State helped him realize the team does better if he moves the ball around - it also helps that his teammates were actually hitting shots.
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Lol. No kidding. If he didn't miss a FGA or FTA, he would have 33 pts. He got 26. Pretty efficient shooting.
His teammates shot 51% eFG and 10-13 FTs. So they did fine just. Trae didn't need to shoot 30 FGAs.
He had his lowest usage rate of the year, but one of his top offensive ratings.
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I love what Lon did by putting a guy in to purposely draw fouls off of Azubukie, absolutely stud gameplan!
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
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Carter was the Big 12 defensive POY and three-time first team defense I believe.
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Are WVU struggles on offense due to Carter being a crappy pg, or does Huggs just not give a eff about coaching offense and lets them just make one on one plays?
In these recent hugely embarrassing losses that never should have been losses Carter is basically the only one moving. He and Beetle Bolden are basically the offense with the rest of the team just accidentally making a few ugly ass forced shots. There is zero movement away from the ball, and they constantly settle for bad threes or fadeaway jumpers because there is no attempt at set plays, penetration, or anything resembling an offense. Hard to press off missed shots. Carter is trying to do it all and getting absolutely no help.
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Its almost the opposite of losing Kam. They are 1-4 since getting Esa Ahmad back. Their best scorer, Teddy Allen, is barely playing now. I'm sure there are other factors (they completely blew two home games with double digit leads), but they don't seem like the same team they were before he came back.
Hopefully we handle Kam coming back better.
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Its almost the opposite of losing Kam. They are 1-4 since getting Esa Ahmad back. Their best scorer, Teddy Allen, is barely playing now. I'm sure there are other factors (they completely blew two home games with double digit leads), but they don't seem like the same team they were before he came back.
Hopefully we handle Kam coming back better.
Teddy Allen's not playing because of his attitude. You all here know better than anyone in the Big 12 that Huggs wont't put up with bad attitudes, win or lose.
Esa coming back has been just... weird. The team really isn't playing the same, and it's not even like he is taking over and others are backing off. He's not doing jack on the court. Just confusing times altogether here right now.
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Its almost the opposite of losing Kam. They are 1-4 since getting Esa Ahmad back. Their best scorer, Teddy Allen, is barely playing now. I'm sure there are other factors (they completely blew two home games with double digit leads), but they don't seem like the same team they were before he came back.
Hopefully we handle Kam coming back better.
Teddy Allen's not playing because of his attitude. You all here know better than anyone in the Big 12 that Huggs wont't put up with bad attitudes, win or lose.
Esa coming back has been just... weird. The team really isn't playing the same, and it's not even like he is taking over and others are backing off. He's not doing jack on the court. Just confusing times altogether here right now.
Sorry cdub. I really liked your team when we played them.
I get the Huggs/Allen thing, but he was so good for you. I wonder what happened to make that go south? I do see that Allen's demotion seemed to happen in the Baylor game before Ahmad came back.
Ahmad's numbers the past two games are really bad.
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Its almost the opposite of losing Kam. They are 1-4 since getting Esa Ahmad back. Their best scorer, Teddy Allen, is barely playing now. I'm sure there are other factors (they completely blew two home games with double digit leads), but they don't seem like the same team they were before he came back.
Hopefully we handle Kam coming back better.
Teddy Allen's not playing because of his attitude. You all here know better than anyone in the Big 12 that Huggs wont't put up with bad attitudes, win or lose.
Esa coming back has been just... weird. The team really isn't playing the same, and it's not even like he is taking over and others are backing off. He's not doing jack on the court. Just confusing times altogether here right now.
Sorry cdub. I really liked your team when we played them.
I get the Huggs/Allen thing, but he was so good for you. I wonder what happened to make that go south? I do see that Allen's demotion seemed to happen in the Baylor game before Ahmad came back.
Ahmad's numbers the past two games are really bad.
Allen details are few and far between anywhere I have read. Huggs being Huggs. Just gotta let it get worked out.
Ahmad is just baffling. Kid could be destructive, but instead he is just, well, he's just THERE. Taking up space, wasting time on the clock, and not really much else. Looks like a lack of motivation or something. He had been pretty decent, and at times very good, showing some real promise. After the suspension he's just not the same kid. Hope that gets worked out too.
But hey, it's only January. There is still time...
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Can we just make this a thread about trashing West Virginia? Jevon Carter is a complete horror show, I can't believe how bad he is. Cartier, Makol, and that Waters kid at OSU have no business starting for a P6 program.
Its almost the opposite of losing Kam. They are 1-4 since getting Esa Ahmad back. Their best scorer, Teddy Allen, is barely playing now. I'm sure there are other factors (they completely blew two home games with double digit leads), but they don't seem like the same team they were before he came back.
Hopefully we handle Kam coming back better.
Teddy Allen's not playing because of his attitude. You all here know better than anyone in the Big 12 that Huggs wont't put up with bad attitudes, win or lose.
Esa coming back has been just... weird. The team really isn't playing the same, and it's not even like he is taking over and others are backing off. He's not doing jack on the court. Just confusing times altogether here right now.
Sorry cdub. I really liked your team when we played them.
I get the Huggs/Allen thing, but he was so good for you. I wonder what happened to make that go south? I do see that Allen's demotion seemed to happen in the Baylor game before Ahmad came back.
Ahmad's numbers the past two games are really bad.
Allen details are few and far between anywhere I have read. Huggs being Huggs. Just gotta let it get worked out.
Ahmad is just baffling. Kid could be destructive, but instead he is just, well, he's just THERE. Taking up space, wasting time on the clock, and not really much else. Looks like a lack of motivation or something. He had been pretty decent, and at times very good, showing some real promise. After the suspension he's just not the same kid. Hope that gets worked out too.
But hey, it's only January. There is still time...
Us K-State fans saw plenty of awful January's under Frank only to see a completely different team in February and March.
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Clonies 1.71 PPP 1st half vs Huggy.
53 pts on 78.3 eFG, 6-6 FT, just 13 TO%
Isu was 0.71 vs Vols last weekend
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The last couple games WVU has just looked bad. Are they gonna bounce back against us or can they keep the funk going just 1 more game?
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Why has nobody told me about this Osetkowski guy from UT?????
:love:
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Hmm....
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I am absolutely in love with the new KU play-by-play radio guy. When Udoka Azubuike almost airballed a free throw up in the first half of today's game, he surmised that "maybe he didn't have his feet under him."
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KU has 3 fouls at the 2 minute mark :lol:
OSU shitting the ft bed :lol:
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KU is markedly shittier at home this year.
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Where was Undy today? I only caught the last 4 minutes.
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Natural letdown game after little bro's Monday night super bowl.
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Where was Undy today? I only caught the last 4 minutes.
Take yourself out back
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Where was Undy today? I only caught the last 4 minutes.
:frown:
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OSU wins in Lawrence thanks to 26 2nd chance pts and 61% eFG shooting.
Now Tech with 18-0 run at TCU. It's 34-18 currently
Sure hope the good Big12 road play continues today (in Morgantown)
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TCU is shooting 50% eFG and down 23.
Why? Cause they have 10 TOs, 0 Off Rebounds and 1-4 FTs
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Where was Undy today? I only caught the last 4 minutes.
Take yourself out back
Huh?
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Ah F. I totally forgot he was hired by Illinois. Sorry, influenza A all week and it's causing me some organic brain syndrome.
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KU with the inevitable let down game after winning their Super Bowl.
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KU with the inevitable let down game after winning their Super Bowl.
I mean, they are downright meh at home.
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KU with the inevitable let down game after winning their Super Bowl.
I mean, they are downright meh at home.
First time with 3 home losses since 1999.
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KU with the inevitable let down game after winning their Super Bowl.
Works both ways theoretically, if anybody was actually saying this:
https://twitter.com/RyanABlack/status/959936979420045312
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OU loses again. Should we discuss the possibility of the conference champion being 12-6?
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OU loses again. Should we discuss the possibility of the conference champion being 12-6?
i was wrong, the big 12 is fun this year.
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OU loses again. Should we discuss the possibility of the conference champion being 12-6?
That's what kenpom is projecting. A 12-6 tie between Tech and KU.
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KU with the inevitable let down game after winning their Super Bowl.
Works both ways theoretically, if anybody was actually saying this:
https://twitter.com/RyanABlack/status/959936979420045312
Well, yea. Obviously it was a hangover game for us.
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Ou looked like a mentality weak team down the stretch. 22-4 run over 14 Possessions....9 pt lead to 9 pt deficit.
Top 4 Big 12 teams are all 4-5 NCAA Seeds by their makeup. I don't think any of them are 1 of the 12 best teams in the nation. But that's my take.
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Nobody in the big 12 is particularly good or particularly bad. :party:
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OU loses again. Should we discuss the possibility of the conference champion being 12-6?
Pvegs started a thread with this very premise and now I feel like a huge bad person because I lulz'd it.
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I am absolutely in love with the new KU play-by-play radio guy. When Udoka Azubuike almost airballed a free throw up in the first half of today's game, he surmised that "maybe he didn't have his feet under him."
He has such a weird voice
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KU is markedly shittier at home this year.
Against the 7 Power6 teams that have played in Lawrence, KU is -7 in total points differential.
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Who is on your 1st and 2nd team All Big 12 through 10 games?
(https://image.ibb.co/fhC5Tx/Big_12_Individual_Stats_League_Only.png)
1st Team:
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Bamba
2nd team:
Carter
Williams
Brodz
Konate
Azubu
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Barry will finish the season strong and be 2nd team
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Man dean wolf is a first team all big 12'r, would that be a first since the beaz?
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Man dean wolf is a first team all big 12'r, would that be a first since the beaz?
Jake and Rod?
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Man dean wolf is a first team all big 12'r, would that be a first since the beaz?
Jake and Rod?
Oh yea
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Man dean wolf is a first team all big 12'r, would that be a first since the beaz?
bro
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Who is on your 1st and 2nd team All Big 12 through 10 games?
1st Team:
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Bamba
2nd team:
Carter
Williams
Brodz
Konate
Azubu
1st
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Jamba
2nd
Carter
Svi
Carroll
Brown
Vlad
I think Svi should be first team and Graham second team but they won't do that. And while Carter is first team all defense, I don't think he should be on the first or second team but there isn't another guard I can justify putting there.
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I think Svi should be first team and Graham second team but they won't do that. And while Carter is first team all defense, I don't think he should be on the first or second team but there isn't another guard I can justify putting there.
I went back and forth on Svi and based on the numbers I couldn't quite do it, but he is KU's best player. Its should probably be Svi over Azub, but Azub is doing a lot of good things in Big 12 play.
Totally agree on Carter. He hasn't put up great numbers in Big 12 play, but he'll be up there somewhere.
Carroll and Barry will probably be based on where our teams finish. Generally bottom 3-4 teams struggle to get guys on there unless their numbers are just ridiculous. This could bump Brodz off the list.
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Who is on your 1st and 2nd team All Big 12 through 10 games?
1st Team:
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Bamba
2nd team:
Carter
Williams
Brodz
Konate
Azubu
1st
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Jamba
2nd
Carter
Svi
Carroll
Brown
Vlad
I think Svi should be first team and Graham second team but they won't do that. And while Carter is first team all defense, I don't think he should be on the first or second team but there isn't another guard I can justify putting there.
1st -
Young
Evans
Graham
Wade
Bamba
2nd -
Carter
Brown
Svi
K.Williams
Brodzianski
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For me, the 1 spot I deliberated on was Brodziansky and Konate. I went with Brodz, but it was a coin flip.
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For me, the 1 spot I deliberated on was Brodziansky and Konate. I went with Brodz, but it was a coin flip.
Konate is a plus shot blocker and a better rebounder than Vlad, to me that isn't nearly enough to make up the difference between the two on the offensive end.
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If you watched WVU beat OU tonight you would have Konate on first or second team. Offense is as good as Broz and rebounding and shot blocking is as close to Bamba.
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Offense is as good as Broz
:dubious:
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Okie State with another huge road win. I can totally see them continuing to remain hot and screwing us as the last Big 12 team to get in the dance.
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Final 4:00 of game --
Ok St scored on 8 of 9 Possessions. 20 pts (20-11 run)
2nd straight Saturday the Pokes get a road W over Top 25 team.
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Okie State with another huge road win. I can totally see them continuing to remain hot and screwing us as the last Big 12 team to get in the dance.
NCAA selection process doesn't work that way. Cats need to get to 10 wins. Ok St could win out and it doesn't mean KState will get left out
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Okie State with another huge road win. I can totally see them continuing to remain hot and screwing us as the last Big 12 team to get in the dance.
NCAA selection process doesn't work that way. Cats need to get to 10 wins. Ok St could win out and it doesn't mean KState will get left out
Not sure I would totally agree and it is in our hands more less. I didn't think OSU's RPI and SOS was so shitty.
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This ku-baylor game is a crime against humanity. These teams suck.
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Yes, Ok St had an RPI of 102 entering today. They too have a weak NonCon SOS of 300.
TCU is a Big12 team who has to be careful. They are 4-7. Kind of a must win today (home vs Texas). They play at WVU on Monday. They can make it at 8-10.
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OSU sandwiched wins in Lawrence and Morgantown with an 11 point home loss to Baylor. I won't be surprised at all if we do the same in Stillwater on Wednesday.
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Ku 2-13 on 3pt, 5-13 on 2pt, 9 TOs. They've done a nice job on Rebounding or their PPP would be worse
Only 2 pts last 6:30 for Ku. Just 20 Pts in 29 Poss.
Another crazy early afternoon in B12 country
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Baylor up 10 on KU at half. Iowa State up 10 on Oklahoma at half. Crazy league.
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Kansas has been trash all season and I'm glad it's becoming clear
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I expect KU will continue to get fta's on bullshit calls to stay in this game.
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Ku has made 15 of last 23 FGA. They have gotten OR on 5 of those misses. They are carving up that Zone this half.
But Baylor still up 7
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Bears made 20 of last 30 FGAs. 6 3pt. That's a scorching 77% eFG last 21 minutes.
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Clones are making it rain!
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Hey it’s tough to win @Baylor and @ISU. Not even some of the best coaches could pull it off.
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The 3 teams that aren't in the Big Dance just beat 3 teams that were probably all top 5 seeds entering today.
Love me some crazy.....
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college basketball is in a pretty weird place right now
a lot of young underdeveloped talent
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Going to Aimes and Waco early in the season was probably the difference in us going dancing or not.
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Nice favor from the schedule makers.
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I am absolutely in love with the new KU play-by-play radio guy. When Udoka Azubuike almost airballed a free throw up in the first half of today's game, he surmised that "maybe he didn't have his feet under him."
Today, in the closing minutes of the baylor game: "Now the Baylor fans start the 'overrated' chant, HOW ABOUT YOU TRY GETTING RANKED YOURSELF?!"
"Yeah... never understood the 'overrated' chant."
:love: :love: :love:
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here, let me help you- it’s fun beating a ranked team
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Overrated chant is overused. In most cases it makes fans look really dumb.
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or it makes tucks like you look like idiots
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0-6 against the top three teams, 6-0 against everyone else (kstate).
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Very LHC Bill Snyder like.
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0-6 against the top three teams.
oscar will spin that into a positive.
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Well the positive is that we have no more remaining games against the top of the Big 12 and we haven’t lost to anyone else yet...
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Well the positive is that we have no more remaining games against the top of the Big 12 and we haven’t lost to anyone else yet...
IMO the only remaining games with a remote chance of winning are ISU and UT @ home.
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The negative is that if we can’t beat KU, Tech, or WVU, there’s almost no way we make it past the first weekend regardless of what seed (if any) we get in the tournament.
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Well the positive is that we have no more remaining games against the top of the Big 12 and we haven’t lost to anyone else yet...
IMO the only remaining games with a remote chance of winning are ISU and UT @ home.
Could be right. But every team looks beatable home and away, so I really have no predictions from here on out.
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Well the positive is that we have no more remaining games against the top of the Big 12 and we haven’t lost to anyone else yet...
IMO the only remaining games with a remote chance of winning are ISU and UT @ home.
Could be right. But every team looks beatable home and away, so I really have no predictions from here on out.
why weren’t our shots falling tonight?
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We started the game vs Ku a home -- 35 Pts 47 Poss, 12-46 FGs
Tonight at home, we ended game 36 pts last 61 Possessions, 9-40 FGs.
Oh and we scored 15 Pts first 28 Possessions vs WV at home.
It's all about pathetic shooting and bad O. WV only had 25 thru 28 Possessions. Ku only had 42 thru 47 Possessions. Tech was under 1.00 for the game
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Not gonna win with that kinda shooting performance and 27% TO ratio
That said, Dean, Diarra and Wainright played 90 of possible 200 minutes. (45%)
45% of minutes, 25 of our 34 Rebounds
Everyone else, 55% of minutes, 9 of 34 Reb
And we actually won the Rebounding battle tonight. Or 3 guys helped us win it. Everyone else was a joke like most games
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How is this possible....
1-20 FG 8-12 FT
7 TO
10 pts over 28 Possessions
18-13 lead to 42-28 deficit (29-10 run)
Over 16 Minutes of game time
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Interesting game in Austin. If Texas beats Baylor, then not too much of note. However if Bears get the win...
Texas falls to 5-8. They still play at Ku/OU/Ksu with home games vs WV/Osu. Possibility of 7-11 is there
For Baylor, a win gets them back on that bubble. They only have 2 Q1 wins (Creighton Ku) and 2 Q2 wins (at Osu, Texas). A win gets them to 6-7 and a 5th good win.
FYI - Kstate has 4 & 2 on the Q1/Q2 wins. Texas is at 5 & 2 on them
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i don't see how tcu is supposedly safe. what's getting them in, their great ooc win over nevada or going 1-7 against the decent big 12 teams?
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i don't see how tcu is supposedly safe. what's getting them in, their great ooc win over nevada or going 1-7 against the decent big 12 teams?
I will first say that Lunardi had them as a 8 before tonight. Even Bracket matrix had them as a 7.9 on average by seeding. I did my projections today and I had them as my weakest 9 seed
They have a good SOS (14) & RPI (23) - before today. Their good wins in B12 are WV, Texas, At OSU, at Baylor. They also have 2 Q1 wins on nuetral court in Non Con
They are 5-8. They get to 8-10, they will get in.
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you can make every excuse in the book for them, posse; but they've still only got one good win and have a miserable conference record. they're a charity case, nothing more.
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https://twitter.com/RealBenBoyle/status/963247083108098048
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what a stupid tweet
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Looks like Ben forgot to get his brucecuse's shot this winter
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Looks like Ben forgot to get his brucecuse's shot this winter
Do you even know who Ben Boyle is?
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
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Agreed
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
You really should save your breath _FAN. The #LIFE/MOCAT tandem post in regards to K-State basketball should always be auto-corrected to the following:
Brucity oscar oscar. I miss Frank.
Me too buddy. :sad:
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
It's also a decent point about why oscar should schedule better.
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
what i meant is, it's a misleading tweet.
he is suggesting if KSU and TCU swapped the 5 worst teams on their schedule, KSU would have the same RPI as TCU. this is not the case.
TCU has 11 top 100 wins, ksu only has 7.
a fairer point would be to say if ksu traded its 4 worst opponents for 4 additional top 100 opponents, they'd have the same RPI as TCU.
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RPI sucks and is broken. Until it favors KSU and then my opinion will be that sure it has it's flaws but the numbers don't lie.
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
It's also a decent point about why oscar should schedule better.
I agree on both points. First, any good college bball coach should be able to take advantage of RPI's flaws because it clearly factors into the committee's decision. From here, it sure looks like oscar gave zero thought to the non-con other than wanting easy wins, so he gave us a pretty deep hole that we had to climb out of coming into conference play. Second, I am surprised TCU is still treated as such a given considering how poorly they have played against decent competition.
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
It's also a decent point about why oscar should schedule better.
This is a valid point and it was something ADGT talked about last night on KMAN.
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Ben is always going to tweet pro K-State takes. I get the context of Brucecuses, but it is a decent point about the flaws in the RPI SOS formula.
what i meant is, it's a misleading tweet.
he is suggesting if KSU and TCU swapped the 5 worst teams on their schedule, KSU would have the same RPI as TCU. this is not the case.
TCU has 11 top 100 wins, ksu only has 7.
a fairer point would be to say if ksu traded its 4 worst opponents for 4 additional top 100 opponents, they'd have the same RPI as TCU.
Going by the committee's "quadrant" sheet, KSU and TCU each have 4 Q1 wins. They also each have 2 Q2 wins. TCU has 6 Q3 wins to KSU's 5. And KSU has 6 Q4 wins to TCU's 5 (having played 1 extra game). So the comparison is pretty valid. If KSU would have just lost to better teams we'd probably be much higher, which seems a little silly.
Edit: realized that's kind of confusing, so here is a different way to put it:
Q1 Wins: KSU - 4, TCU - 4
Q2 Wins: KSU - 2, TCU - 2
Q3 Wins: KSU - 5, TCU - 6
Q4 Wins: KSU - 6, TCU - 5
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I've never understood why bball coaches (oscar) schedule this way. We can all agree RPI and SOS are very important to the committee. RPI is helped by quality wins and hurt by bad losses. It's basically unaffected by quality losses or bad wins. So schedule hard and you have a lot to gain and very little to lose. Schedule easy and you have a lot to lose and very little to gain. Let's schedule all patsies!!!
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Yes, the schedule should be better. No dispute.
I'm also not saying TCU shouldn't be in the tournament right now, but I can't look at these criteria and see why TCU is an 8 and we're an 11.
(https://image.ibb.co/fKpy0n/Bracket_Comparison.png)
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I've never understood why bball coaches (oscar) schedule this way. We can all agree RPI and SOS are very important to the committee. RPI is helped by quality wins and hurt by bad losses. It's basically unaffected by quality losses or bad wins. So schedule hard and you have a lot to gain and very little to lose. Schedule easy and you have a lot to lose and very little to gain. Let's schedule all patsies!!!
Vandy and Georgia were supposed to be upper half SEC teams and contend for the tournament. We missed out on playing Xavier instead of George Washington with our loss to ASU. We should have known Ernie Kent would be bad, even with an NBA player. Still, at least Washington State is a P5 opponent.
Its very fair to critique 6 guaranteed games against 200+ kenpom teams. And looking at the last few years, we knew all would be bad this year. You've got to get rid of a least a couple of those and get teams in the 100s, like UC Irvine.
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I'm also not saying TCU shouldn't be in the tournament right now.
i'll say. they haven't done crap to deserve a bid. i think tcu (and the rest of the big 12) is benefiting from the early season buzz about the strength of the big 12. that argument is no longer valid (if it ever was), their conference kenpom has come down by over 2 points from where they started conference play.
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I've never understood why bball coaches (oscar) schedule this way. We can all agree RPI and SOS are very important to the committee. RPI is helped by quality wins and hurt by bad losses. It's basically unaffected by quality losses or bad wins. So schedule hard and you have a lot to gain and very little to lose. Schedule easy and you have a lot to lose and very little to gain. Let's schedule all patsies!!!
Vandy and Georgia were supposed to be upper half SEC teams and contend for the tournament. We missed out on playing Xavier instead of George Washington with our loss to ASU. We should have known Ernie Kent would be bad, even with an NBA player. Still, at least Washington State is a P5 opponent.
Its very fair to critique 6 guaranteed games against 200+ kenpom teams. And looking at the last few years, we knew all would be bad this year. You've got to get rid of a least a couple of those and get teams in the 100s, like UC Irvine.
I get that you're never really sure how good your opponents will be from year to year, but that's all the more reason to schedule up. What would be the harm in playing home and homes with mid to upper level P5 teams each year? I'm not talking a game or two i'm talking about playing 5-6 decent p5 teams each year in addition to those we might play in an early tourney. And why would you ever schedule a 200+ team for shits sake? What is there to gain?
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Five years from now no one remembers the shitty teams you played to rack up Ws, just the number of wins.
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Easy wins and easy money.
I was sitting in a coach's office late one night, about 20 hours before his team was scheduled to play a game, watching film with the staff and just basically observing how they went about preparing. We had pizza for dinner. I remember that and a few other things -- among them the coach stopping film once to take a phone call. A former assistant, who was now a head coach, was the person calling. So the coach answered. I only heard one side of the conversation. But this is basically what I heard:
"So how'd you do tonight?"
(Silence)
"Who'd you play?
(Silence)
"I've told you a million times. At the end of the season, your fans won't know your strength of schedule. All they'll know is how many games you won and how many games you lost. You should've never scheduled that game. You're in your first year. You knew you couldn't win it. So if you didn't have to play it, you shouldn't have played it."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/georgetowns-non-league-schedule-is-both-awful-and-a-reflection-of-a-larger-issue/
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I get that you're never really sure how good your opponents will be from year to year, but that's all the more reason to schedule up. What would be the harm in playing home and homes with mid to upper level P5 teams each year? I'm not talking a game or two i'm talking about playing 5-6 decent p5 teams each year in addition to those we might play in an early tourney. And why would you ever schedule a 200+ team for shits sake? What is there to gain?
I just don't think there are enough teams out there that want to do that because no one in college basketball schedules like that. I can't think of any P5 opponent playing more than 1 or 2 home and homes with other P5 teams. Everyone plays guarantee games.
The reason these are scheduled is to get home games on the cheap. Every team in the Big 12 has 5-7 of these games every season.
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The words are too common for me to easily find oscar’s quote about scheduling being more important than recruiting.
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fwiw my comments about ben boyle's unsuccessful attempt to subdue himself were not related to scheduling, or ncaa tournament seeding. i was simply commenting on why TCU's rpi is so much better than ours.
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i think we can all agree that ben boyle is the fox news of kstate sports and that any hot sports take arguing that switching out multiple teams on your schedule for multiple teams not on your schedule and how it could somehow get your rpi into the forties is a stupid hot sports take. propaganda and dumb propaganda at that. oooooh la la. an rpi on the forties? well wouldn't we be fancy. :flush:
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fwiw my comments about ben boyle's unsuccessful attempt to subdue himself were not related to scheduling, or ncaa tournament seeding. i was simply commenting on why TCU's rpi is so much better than ours.
Nah, he told you why. The current edition of the Eye on College Basketball podcast has exactly this as the topic Gary Parrish said RPI SOS is stupid, he never uses it and the committee shouldn't use it. He used the same argument that Ben Boyle did but he used two different teams.
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fwiw my comments about ben boyle's unsuccessful attempt to subdue himself were not related to scheduling, or ncaa tournament seeding. i was simply commenting on why TCU's rpi is so much better than ours.
Nah, he told you why. The current edition of the Eye on College Basketball podcast has exactly this as the topic Gary Parrish said RPI SOS is stupid, he never uses it and the committee shouldn't use it. He used the same argument that Ben Boyle did but he used two different teams.
well ben boyle and ghost of tan parrish are wrong. if ksu swapped their 4 worst teams for 4 sub-100 teams, they'd have an almost identical resume (as far as RPI is concerned) as TCU
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Yes, the schedule should be better. No dispute.
I'm also not saying TCU shouldn't be in the tournament right now, but I can't look at these criteria and see why TCU is an 8 and we're an 11.
(https://image.ibb.co/fKpy0n/Bracket_Comparison.png)
They definitely should not be an 8, even before last night loss. I think I was being generous saying they were my weakest #9 seed (overall seed #36).
Kstate is among the 6 teams i had between #37-42. There isn't much difference between Tcu & any of those 6.
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fwiw my comments about ben boyle's unsuccessful attempt to subdue himself were not related to scheduling, or ncaa tournament seeding. i was simply commenting on why TCU's rpi is so much better than ours.
Nah, he told you why. The current edition of the Eye on College Basketball podcast has exactly this as the topic Gary Parrish said RPI SOS is stupid, he never uses it and the committee shouldn't use it. He used the same argument that Ben Boyle did but he used two different teams.
well ben boyle and ghost of tan parrish are wrong. if ksu swapped their 4 worst teams for 4 sub-100 teams, they'd have an almost identical resume (as far as RPI is concerned) as TCU
So?
That doesn't make Boyle's and Parrish's point wrong and that's the point, the RPI SOS flaws the entire formula. When you schedule all of those games in the spring and summer none of them looks differently, they're all guarantee games, but the sos treats them differently. There is no way anyone can look at the schedules for this team and think their resumes should be 40 spots apart. I'd listen to an argument that says that KSU should be in the 60s but there's no way TCU should be in the mid 20s. It makes no sense.
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Gottlieb has repeatedly pointed out how stupid it is to value wins over rpi 150 teams substantially higher than wins over rpi 300 teams.
Ben Boyle is right and anyone against him is human fucktard. Wgaf whether you beat tenn tech or uc upstate
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Just curious your guys thoughts... At what RPI is a team no longer a guaranteed W? Like at what point is there a reasonable chance you'll lose if you aren't on your game? 105-120ish?
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there's no such thing as a guaranteed win and a 150 team is way more likely to beat you than a 300 team is. the idea that they are equivalent is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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there's no such thing as a guaranteed win and a 150 team is way more likely to beat you than a 300 team is. the idea that they are equivalent is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
nope. more like the difference between a 20 point win and a 30 point win.
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nope. more like the difference between a 20 point win and a 30 point win.
https://kenpom.com/box.php?g=2062&y=2015
https://kenpom.com/box.php?g=122&y=2014
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FWIW, I don't call them guarantee games because its a guarantee of a win, that's just what they are called now. They are "guarantee" one game deals with significant pay outs for these smaller schools and for many/most its how they fund their athletics departments.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2017/03/28/guarantee-games-college-football-schedule-2017/stories/201703280009
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/9/25/16361774/hbos-real-sports-guarantee-games-trailer-watch
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/11/8010641/get-rich-starting-a-college-basketball-team
Like I said, part of who you end up getting and whether or not they sneak into the Top 200 or 150 is random luck, but a lot of it is also how much you are willing to pay. To get a better school with a better program, you are often paying a higher guarantee, which is probably part of why we ended up with so many 200+ teams. And again, every Big 12 team (and every P5 conference team) has at least 5 of these and many have 7.
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fwiw my comments about ben boyle's unsuccessful attempt to subdue himself were not related to scheduling, or ncaa tournament seeding. i was simply commenting on why TCU's rpi is so much better than ours.
Nah, he told you why. The current edition of the Eye on College Basketball podcast has exactly this as the topic Gary Parrish said RPI SOS is stupid, he never uses it and the committee shouldn't use it. He used the same argument that Ben Boyle did but he used two different teams.
well ben boyle and ghost of tan parrish are wrong. if ksu swapped their 4 worst teams for 4 sub-100 teams, they'd have an almost identical resume (as far as RPI is concerned) as TCU
So?
That doesn't make Boyle's and Parrish's point wrong and that's the point, the RPI SOS flaws the entire formula. When you schedule all of those games in the spring and summer none of them looks differently, they're all guarantee games, but the sos treats them differently. There is no way anyone can look at the schedules for this team and think their resumes should be 40 spots apart. I'd listen to an argument that says that KSU should be in the 60s but there's no way TCU should be in the mid 20s. It makes no sense.
as i said before i am not talking about scheduling, and of course TCU is benefiting from some of their preseason "pud" opponents turning out to be top 100.
all i'm saying is ben boyle's tweet focusing on the bottom of each team's schedule is stupid, when he is ignoring the glaring difference (top 100 opponents). whether you think that's worth 30-40 spots in the ranking is debatable, but that's the difference. it's not the bottom 4 or 5 teams.
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There was clearly an agenda to stockpile wins at the expense of SOS when this schedule was created. Any K-State fan or coach or school rep shouldn't make ex-bruces for it hurting KSU's RPI. Its not some stroke of bad luck the OOC SOS is a trash sandwich with fries.
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FWIW, I don't call them guarantee games because its a guarantee of a win, that's just what they are called now. They are "guarantee" one game deals with significant pay outs for these smaller schools and for many/most its how they fund their athletics departments.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2017/03/28/guarantee-games-college-football-schedule-2017/stories/201703280009
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/9/25/16361774/hbos-real-sports-guarantee-games-trailer-watch
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/11/8010641/get-rich-starting-a-college-basketball-team
Like I said, part of who you end up getting and whether or not they sneak into the Top 200 or 150 is random luck, but a lot of it is also how much you are willing to pay. To get a better school with a better program, you are often paying a higher guarantee, which is probably part of why we ended up with so many 200+ teams. And again, every Big 12 team (and every P5 conference team) has at least 5 of these and many have 7.
Ok but I'm still asking what is the threshold? Obviously I understand the caveat that nothing is "guaranteed" and that anything can happen in any given night, but if your chance of beating an RPI 250 team is 99.7% and your chance of beating an RPI 175 team is 99.1%... At what point does that percentage drop to like 75 or 80%?
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I think the Tier win system the NCAA is using this year correlates well to what you are talking about. Tier 3 games are home games vs RPI 76-160, road games vs RPI 136-240, or neutral vs RPI 101-200. Most P5 teams have zero or one Tier 3 losses in 5-7 games.
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https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/963841606884511747
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Nebraska guy doubles down on Boyle's idea! :D
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/chatelain/mad-chatter-why-tim-miles-rpi-problem-is-a-hoax/article_1224d3c6-11a7-11e8-86b9-c3eba667942d.html
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https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/963841606884511747
I'm right there w/ ESPN. I'd rather watch Trae Young 24/7 than most of the CBB trash out there
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Nebraska guy doubles down on Boyle's idea! :D
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/chatelain/mad-chatter-why-tim-miles-rpi-problem-is-a-hoax/article_1224d3c6-11a7-11e8-86b9-c3eba667942d.html
3 (three!) top 100 wins :lol:
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I recently went to an implicit bias training at work. One of the things they talked about was how people will often try to fit everything someone else does to fit their preconceived narrative of that person. That definitely happens a lot in sports when a team/player starts out hot at the beginning of the season and then tapers back to average later on. With Young though, isn't he still on track to break all kinds of records?
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Nebraska guy doubles down on Boyle's idea! :D
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/chatelain/mad-chatter-why-tim-miles-rpi-problem-is-a-hoax/article_1224d3c6-11a7-11e8-86b9-c3eba667942d.html
3 (three!) top 100 wins :lol:
“We’ve had some losses that look worse than they are and some wins that don’t look as good as they are,” Miles said. “I didn’t think that we scheduled softly. …”
It is pretty amazing that a P5 conference team after 15 conference games has only played 6 of those games against top 100 teams.
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The only scenario that exists in which I hope we get a tourney bid would be to bump Nebraska off the bubble.
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The only scenario that exists in which I hope we get a tourney bid would be to bump Nebraska off the bubble.
Nebraska's 0-fer the tourney is a record i want to stand forever
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there's no such thing as a guaranteed win and a 150 team is way more likely to beat you than a 300 team is. the idea that they are equivalent is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Actually teams 151-351 have a strikingly similar profile, they're almost all teams from one bid conferences who aren't competitors for that one bid. Of those 200 teams, only 14 of them are from multi bid leagues and of those 14, 7 of them are from the 2 bid WCC. The gap is way smaller between 151-351 than it is from 100-150 and it really isn't debatable.
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I get that you're never really sure how good your opponents will be from year to year, but that's all the more reason to schedule up. What would be the harm in playing home and homes with mid to upper level P5 teams each year? I'm not talking a game or two i'm talking about playing 5-6 decent p5 teams each year in addition to those we might play in an early tourney. And why would you ever schedule a 200+ team for shits sake? What is there to gain?
I just don't think there are enough teams out there that want to do that because no one in college basketball schedules like that. I can't think of any P5 opponent playing more than 1 or 2 home and homes with other P5 teams. Everyone plays guarantee games.
The reason these are scheduled is to get home games on the cheap. Every team in the Big 12 has 5-7 of these games every season.
KU does it like every year. Granted, a decent amount of those games are in classics.
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there's no such thing as a guaranteed win and a 150 team is way more likely to beat you than a 300 team is. the idea that they are equivalent is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Actually teams 151-351 have a strikingly similar profile, they're almost all teams from one bid conferences who aren't competitors for that one bid. Of those 200 teams, only 14 of them are from multi bid leagues and of those 14, 7 of them are from the 2 bid WCC. The gap is way smaller between 151-351 than it is from 100-150 and it really isn't debatable.
from kp team 101 to team 150 = +6.73 to +2.06 = 4.67 point difference
from kp team 151 to team 351 = +1.98 to -29.97 = 31.95 point difference
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I get that you're never really sure how good your opponents will be from year to year, but that's all the more reason to schedule up. What would be the harm in playing home and homes with mid to upper level P5 teams each year? I'm not talking a game or two i'm talking about playing 5-6 decent p5 teams each year in addition to those we might play in an early tourney. And why would you ever schedule a 200+ team for shits sake? What is there to gain?
I just don't think there are enough teams out there that want to do that because no one in college basketball schedules like that. I can't think of any P5 opponent playing more than 1 or 2 home and homes with other P5 teams. Everyone plays guarantee games.
The reason these are scheduled is to get home games on the cheap. Every team in the Big 12 has 5-7 of these games every season.
KU does it like every year. Granted, a decent amount of those games are in classics.
Yes, I'm not sure how many are home and homes compared to stand alone games, classics, or tournaments. They had 7 P5 opponents in the OOC this year, which is a lot. And they don't have nearly as many awful guarantee games on their schedule.
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I get that you're never really sure how good your opponents will be from year to year, but that's all the more reason to schedule up. What would be the harm in playing home and homes with mid to upper level P5 teams each year? I'm not talking a game or two i'm talking about playing 5-6 decent p5 teams each year in addition to those we might play in an early tourney. And why would you ever schedule a 200+ team for shits sake? What is there to gain?
I just don't think there are enough teams out there that want to do that because no one in college basketball schedules like that. I can't think of any P5 opponent playing more than 1 or 2 home and homes with other P5 teams. Everyone plays guarantee games.
The reason these are scheduled is to get home games on the cheap. Every team in the Big 12 has 5-7 of these games every season.
KU does it like every year. Granted, a decent amount of those games are in classics.
Yes, I'm not sure how many are home and homes compared to stand alone games, classics, or tournaments. They had 7 P5 opponents in the OOC this year, which is a lot. And they don't have nearly as many awful guarantee games on their schedule.
I figured it was just the luxury of being KU. Schedule whoever you desire.
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I figured it was just the luxury of being KU. Schedule whoever you desire.
That doesn't hurt. More people are wanting to do deals with them and they probably are willing to pay more for better guaranteed games.
Again, in all of this am I excusing this year's OOC schedule because it was truly awful. Way too many +200 guarantee games and we knew most of those teams would be bad.
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Huggins and Frank put together much better schedules than Wooldrige and oscar. You don't have to schedule 7 P5 opponents to not schedule as poorly as we have the past 2 seasons.
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Huggins and Frank put together much better schedules than Wooldrige and oscar. You don't have to schedule 7 P5 opponents to not schedule as poorly as we have the past 2 seasons.
They also brought in a #GOAT recruiting class to be able to help with that schedule transition.
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there's no such thing as a guaranteed win and a 150 team is way more likely to beat you than a 300 team is. the idea that they are equivalent is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Actually teams 151-351 have a strikingly similar profile, they're almost all teams from one bid conferences who aren't competitors for that one bid. Of those 200 teams, only 14 of them are from multi bid leagues and of those 14, 7 of them are from the 2 bid WCC. The gap is way smaller between 151-351 than it is from 100-150 and it really isn't debatable.
from kp team 101 to team 150 = +6.73 to +2.06 = 4.67 point difference
from kp team 151 to team 351 = +1.98 to -29.97 = 31.95 point difference
Fantastic. What's the point?
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Fantastic. What's the point?
that your assertion was wildly inaccurate.
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nope. more like the difference between a 20 point win and a 30 point win.
https://kenpom.com/box.php?g=2062&y=2015
https://kenpom.com/box.php?g=122&y=2014
We're talking rpi, and kenpom isn't the pope, fucktard.
Hatingfrank is right. Home game against rpi 150 = home game against rpi 300. Not to mention walkons are playing the last 4+ minutes of both.
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All things being equal, if we played a bad noncon of scrub low majors that gave is the median kenpom sos, we'd be ranked 30 spots higher.
If our sos was 250 instead of 330 we'd be top25 kenpom and safely in the tourney.
It's stupid
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It's stupid to have 360ish D1 bball teams to begin with, to undertake an analysis to determine which teams are #200 thru #360 is a futile and full on aspergers.
You are beyond in the minutia at that point. The proportionate weight afforded is utterly outrageous.
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Fantastic. What's the point?
that your assertion was wildly inaccurate.
I don't recall mentioning anything about kenpom's point differential, it's completely inconsequential to the larger point. I didn't really need a kenpom stat to tell me that the 8th place team in the SEC is much closer to the 2nd place team in the CAA than the 5th place team in C-USA versus the last place team in the MEAC, thanks for bringing it to our attention though.
The larger point, and you have to be missing this on purpose, is that if you're a tournament team in the P6 there should be little to no discernible difference between playing a home game in November against Elon than a December home game between Chicago State. If you're Western Kentucky, sure that difference is much more pronounced. If you're one of the top 40 teams in America you're double digit favorites, with a projected chance of winning north of 85%, against any team 151-351.
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And don't forget the original intent of the RPI was to group teams, not to rank them. I mean, yeah it's LOL to just make a cutoff between 50 and 51, but that's what the RPI does.
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In that case the clustering should be tighter toward the top and much wider toward the bottom instead of just 50 team clusters across the board.
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I'd love to hear a hottake as to why beating KP200 UMBC (bank?) in November is disparately more valuable in the eyes of the committee and KP desciples than a win over KP351 Delaware State (Flacco???).
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If you're one of the top 40 teams in America you're double digit favorites, with a projected chance of winning north of 85%, against any team 151-351.
there is a huge difference between having an 85% chance of winning and having a 99.9% chance of winning.
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False
Only a fucktard thinks this 85% v 99% scenario exists anywhere other than inside their fucktard computer
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Well, we're never ever gonna play kp200 and kp350 100 times each to prove the ridiculous simulation is wrong, so I suppose you can dream, but it's a really stupid thing to believe is real and blindly (dogmatically) reference as the end all be all. Like I said, it's not the pope.
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Updated Big 12 stats (league games only)
(https://image.ibb.co/cjHwan/Big_12_Advanced_League.png)
Updated individual advanced and shooting stats (league games only)
(https://image.ibb.co/kC0tMS/Big_12_Individual_Stats_League_Only.png)
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I like seeing KSU up there in 3pt%. Probably like the only thing that gives me hope we could make it out of the first weekend of the tournament.
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Texas is gonna beat OU. Calling it now
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Rough 1st half for OU on their own home court. 32% eFG and .78 PPP
But only trail by 3. Trae is in a 1-20 slump from 3pt
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:surprised:
https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/964919737837916160
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from here out, i'm rooting for 4 teams to rack up nice records and everyone else to finish below .500. if i thought it was possible to make it 3 nice records and 7 trash, i'd root for that.
i'm rooting against tcu most of all.
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Our Last 10 games, only thing I'm disappointed in is crapping the bed offensively in both Ku/Tech games. Had we just split those 2, we'd be 8-2. 5 weeks ago I would have freaking estatic going 8-2. 7-3 still solid.
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Huggins just never learns. WV up 66-58. Graham hits a 3. Next 2 WV offensive possessions, they basically just stall, then have Carter go to the hole with 5 on the clock.
Transition dunk by Doke. Transition 3 by Graham after bad shots. Tie game.
2 more TOs. 73% FT badly misses front end of 1-and-1. 14-0 run before some crybaby Techs
WV was 26-53 with 13 3pt before they just quit running "Offense"
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what a shitty day of big 12 basketball.
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Huggins just never learns. WV up 66-58. Graham hits a 3. Next 2 WV offensive possessions, they basically just stall, then have Carter go to the hole with 5 on the clock.
Transition dunk by Doke. Transition 3 by Graham after bad shots. Tie game.
2 more TOs. 73% FT badly misses front end of 1-and-1. 14-0 run before some crybaby Techs
WV was 26-53 with 13 3pt before they just quit running "Offense"
i mean, maybe but 35-2 ft disparity is something else
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Huggins just never learns. WV up 66-58. Graham hits a 3. Next 2 WV offensive possessions, they basically just stall, then have Carter go to the hole with 5 on the clock.
Transition dunk by Doke. Transition 3 by Graham after bad shots. Tie game.
2 more TOs. 73% FT badly misses front end of 1-and-1. 14-0 run before some crybaby Techs
WV was 26-53 with 13 3pt before they just quit running "Offense"
i mean, maybe but 35-2 ft disparity is something else
Yeah, it was crazy to watch happen.
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what a shitty day of big 12 basketball.
KU getting gifted another big 12 title because the conference poy potentially broke his foot is suboptimal.
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what a shitty day of big 12 basketball.
KU getting gifted another big 12 title because the conference poy potentially broke his foot is suboptimal.
I'm recalling 2009 when they won league. National POY Blake Griffin gets concussion game before Ku. He doesn't play vs them in Norman. Ku wins. If Ku loses, OU wins league by a game.
The 13 is awesome & impressive. But they have had some serious luck a few years (2013 where they had 2 lucky wins vs Isu)
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what a shitty day of big 12 basketball.
KU getting gifted another big 12 title because the conference poy potentially broke his foot is suboptimal.
It’s like they are playing football out there this year
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what a shitty day of big 12 basketball.
KU getting gifted another big 12 title because the conference poy potentially broke his foot is suboptimal.
It’s like they are playing football out there this year
:cool:
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Talk about a buzzsaw tonight OU @KU.
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Talk about a buzzsaw tonight OU @KU.
KU scored 1.44 points per possession. Crazy.
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34 days ago, we beat the #4 team in the nation.
That team is now currently 8th in the Big 12.
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That team is a mess right now. Young has become a liability on defense.
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We broke Trae Young
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Probably still find a way to lose to them in Norman
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I really try and not bitch about officiating but the parts of the game I watched (KU-OU) the ref's once again seemed to be one-sided. I know home court will most always get the benefit but there were several instances where OU got jobbed and it killed possible momentum over several possessions. :th_twocents: (ftp://:th_twocents:)
I'm now officially a tuck.
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I can’t imagine what the refs could have done to affect the outcome of that game. KU was just hitting everything.
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I can’t imagine what the refs could have done to affect the outcome of that game. KU was just hitting everything.
I agree I'm just stating it was atrocious as always.
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WV 31 Baylor 11 5:00 left in 1st
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Will Huggy hold the ball like last game for the second half?
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Unforgettable 1st half offensively for Da Bears.
19.2 eFG
0.52 PPP
12 TOs in 35 Possessions
Trail 40-18
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Leads by road teams of 14+ points. Some were maybe mildly surprising. Some were definitely head turners....
Cats by 18 late in 2nd half at Iowa St
Tech by 16 early in 1st half at Ku
Cats by 19 halfway thru 2nd half at Baylor
Baylor (who was 3-7) by 14 early in 2nd half at OKSt
Ku by 16 mid 1st half at KState
Ok St by 18 late 1st half at Ku
Tech by 24 at halftime at Tcu
Tcu by 15 early 2nd half at OkSt
Tech by 14 early 2nd (17 late 2nd half) at KState
Texas by 14 late in 2nd half at OU (OU hadn't played poorly at home yet)
Cats by 20 early 2nd half at OKSt
WV by 28 early 2nd half at Baylor
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I don’t care this is a good game. Get this TTU vs OSU garbage off my television screen I want to watch the cats
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Yes, what is the point of the "now streaming on the espn app" when TT - OSU was there too?
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jfc, big 12 basketball, stop sucking ass.
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I can't believe after all of this, KU is going to get the title given to them
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I can't believe after all of this, KU is going to get the title given to them
I mean they're gonna be 14-4
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freebie!
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I can't believe after all of this, KU is going to get the title given to them
I mean they're gonna be 14-4
12-6 was going to get it done this year. Until it didn’t.
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i'd rather see osu get in than ou, tcu or texas. let them all roast in the nit.
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This may be the most overrated this league has ever been and it’s almost always overrated
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This may be the most overrated this league has ever been and it’s almost always overrated
Should I bother attempting to explain the logic flaw in calling a league overrated when the depth allows it to beat up on itself?
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I think that KU wvu Tech KSU are worthy of the tourney, and only KU is any threat to do well. I don’t think that the top of the conference is all that strong. The fact that the bottom can cause some matchup problems at times doesn’t matter much to me.
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Intending to agree the conf is not as good as it was made out to be.
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If you want to look at a bad P5 conference go look at the Big 10. Wow.
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If you want to look at a bad P5 conference go look at the Big 10. Wow.
Yep. 4 NCAA teams, 3 potential NIT Teams. Then the Bottom 7 are a combined 16 under .500 on the year. Top heavy & pittyful in the bottom half
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Bill Walton (dumbass) told Joe Lunardi he was blind en route to declaring 9 P12 teams belonged in the tourney and repeatedly referring to the P12 as the conf of champions because academics, social, culture, business.
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How big is weber’s contract extension going to be when we win out and grab a share of the big 12 title?
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(https://image.ibb.co/mR5WJH/Big_12_Advanced_League.png)
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I didn't realize big 12 defense's were so garbage in basketball this year
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would be pretty amaze to sweep UT (done), OU, BU, and TCU, finish above them in the b12, and still finish with a worse RPI
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I didn't realize big 12 defense's were so garbage in basketball this year
True, but efficiency is as high as its been in the history of kenpom. Average efficiency of 1.062 this year across college basketball, previous high was 1.052 in 2014. The 2014 Big 12 was close offensively, 1.072 average compared to 1.073 this year.
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Thanks for the updated chart, _fan. I appreciate it.
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rough ridin' tcu. i guess since they're going to get in no matter what i might as well root for them to deserve it. sorry, kstate.
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oh, but now i'm against baylor, so it works out the same.
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z. smith is an impressive young player. if i still liked kstate bball, i'd be a little annoyed kstate didn't pursue him (unless they did).
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great game, but i'm getting a little tired of every rough ridin' single big 12 team i want to win losing over the last two weeks.
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I didn't realize big 12 defense's were so garbage in basketball this year
True, but efficiency is as high as its been in the history of kenpom. Average efficiency of 1.062 this year across college basketball, previous high was 1.052 in 2014. The 2014 Big 12 was close offensively, 1.072 average compared to 1.073 this year.
Remember when people argued the 30 second shot clock would ruin offense?
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The true conference alpha has taken its rightful place atop the standings.
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Crowntown
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great game, but i'm getting a little tired of every rough ridin' single big 12 team i want to win losing over the last two weeks.
this nightmare started right about when i denounced god, now that i think of it. that vengeful pos.
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I want to congratulate all the KU fans out there, your school got better basketball playing 18 year olds
To come from far away states to play on your team for the 14th year in a row. Granted I don’t know many of you Jayhawks, but I can’t help but think that if you can consistently get this level of 18u to come and wear a basketball uniform with your name on it, you must be good people. :cheers:
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0-6 vs top 3
3-3 vs middle 3
6-0 vs bottom 3
symmetry
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It’s really no small feat to be that consistent.
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Really shows you how crazy that football win at OSU was.
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Tech last 5 halves of BB...
Allowed 62.5 eFG & 46.7% on 3pt.
Best D in league fizzled since Evans injury
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Last 6 home games for TCU ---
They are 59.6 eFG & 37.7 FTR.
Our D has it's hands full
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OU really turned it around
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OU really turned it around
Holy hell. A 23 point loss to Baylor?
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they owed us a 20 point loss.
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https://twitter.com/redditCBB/status/968713372324782082
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That's pretty great. I think it's true too.
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Sounds kinky.
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if the big 12 gets 9 teams into the tournament, i don't know how i'll feel about that. in general, i like freaks and oddities. i suppose i can come around.
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i think i would like it less if osu gets left out after beating dozens of top teams, so by default, really, i have to like it. go cows, go.
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I hate Ku with a passion, but this is pretty impressive...
Under Self-
103 times played a B12 team 2x (home/away)
Lost 1st matchup 18x
4 of those were home losses
Self is 17-0 in 2nd matchup
* The 18th is going on now
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man, if the cows get mumped over here. i dunno, man.
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This is Bill's league, he can do what he wants with it
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I hate Ku with a passion, but this is pretty impressive...
Under Self-
103 times played a B12 team 2x (home/away)
Lost 1st matchup 18x
4 of those were home losses
Self is 17-0 in 2nd matchup
* The 18th is going on now
There is a first time for everything.
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Guys...
That Wade steal, pass to Brown, back to Wade for the tomahawk 2 hand Stuff...
1 of my favorite plays ever
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
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The officiating in that game, led by admiral dumbfuck paul jansen, was an embrassment and afront to fair competition.
This conference needs to cleanse themselves of the pathetic losers they hire to officiate games (doug sirmons, jerry pollard, that mongoloid that did the @ku game).
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Amidst all the chaos of the tourney, worth noting that: (1) Big 12, who most agreed was the best bball conference, has the most teams in the Sweet 16; and (2) they are the same teams who finished 1-4 in the final conference standings.
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Three coaches with Final 4 experience and some guy named Chris Beard
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Amidst all the chaos of the tourney, worth noting that: (1) Big 12, who most agreed was the best bball conference, has the most teams in the Sweet 16*; and (2) they are the same teams who finished 1-4 in the final conference standings.
*Tied with the ACC, which has FSU, Cuse, Duke, and Clemson.
big 10 has 2
SEC has 2
The rest are MVC, Big East, WAC, and WCC.