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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: renocat on January 09, 2018, 05:12:24 PM
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KENPOM has us as -5
I'm not going to argue.
Will McGuirl be activated?
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They will beat our sorry asses
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KENPOM has us as -5
I'm not going to argvue.
Will McGuirl be activated?
He will be activated and we will cover. Mark it down!
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I sure wish Weber would let Fred play some.
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is this tomorrow?
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I remember when this game used to mean something. :bs:
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big game tonight- i’m expecting the cats to upset the cowboys
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Cats are -4! :ksu:
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Cows players.
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Without Brad, Evans, and Forte their offense is much worse, but the defense is a lot better.
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I expect Cameron "Crime Dog" McGriff to just slaughter us..
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prediction: bloodbath
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Two 11-4 teams in probably the best conference in America. :lol:
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Meh
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The price of tickets sure backs up what Chings and hF say about oscar being good for this program.
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Two 11-4 teams in probably the best conference in America. :lol:
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It's a Wednesday night game with two bottom feeders in the big 12 going at it and Kam is out. Sorry if you took Chings seriously. I'd definitely go if I was a townie for that deal tho. Love the cats!
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It's a Wednesday night game with two bottom feeders in the big 12 going at it and Kam is out. Sorry if you took Chings seriously. I'd definitely go if I was a townie for that deal tho. Love the cats!
Two bottom feeders? We are 11-4 and are fun to watch :confused:
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Will they be confiscating all the cow masks this year?
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It's a Wednesday night game with two bottom feeders in the big 12 going at it and Kam is out. Sorry if you took Chings seriously. I'd definitely go if I was a townie for that deal tho. Love the cats!
Two bottom feeders? We are 11-4 and are fun to watch :confused:
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Wichita Eagle is reporting McGuirl is being activated; the most intriguing thing. Read some Okie Newspaper article that says that they are fearing Claws and Marwein if Solomon gets in foul troubles. Watch out for Fred you Pokes!
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The price of tickets sure backs up what Chings and hF say about oscar being good for this program.
Whatever fits your narrative choo choo.
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The price of tickets sure backs up what Chings and hF say about oscar being good for this program.
Whatever fits your narrative choo choo.
Ditto bud. :cheers:
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22013176/bilas-index-volume-3-best-68-teams-college-basketball
61. Kansas State Wildcats
The Wildcats were manhandled at Texas Tech, and Deathbite could not really play due to an ankle injury. The Flush was a bright spot with 24 points against the Red Raiders, but Kansas State was not competitive in that game. Kansas State has only one win against a team ranked in the top 100 of the KenPom.com efficiency ratings.
62. Oklahoma State Cowboys
With wins over Florida State and Iowa State, the Cowboys have had some good moments. Jeffrey Carroll is the Cowboys' best player. All of Oklahoma State's losses have come to top-25 teams (Texas A&M, Wichita State, West Virginia and Oklahoma). The Cowboys are getting 18.3 PPG off turnovers, the most by them since ESPN began tracking that stat in 2011-12.
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Really looking good. i guess i'm the only masochist here.
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Holy crap! What a game! :ksu: :emawkid:
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Knew it! :emawkid:
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Lol at the announcers arguing about what makes an upset.
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I think the announcers hate each other.
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Yeah that was weird
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Did anyone buy the $6 tix at the door?
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Barry was unreal tonight. Cartier was really good. Dean and Wade were solid.
(https://image.ibb.co/hCWQwm/1_10_18_Ind_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
We are such a bad rebounding team. I mean, even in a night where I thought we gave our best effort of the year, we got destroyed on the boards.
(https://image.ibb.co/jOvUNR/1_10_18_ADV_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
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Barry a far superior point guard to Stokes
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Fred only scored 6 points. Our bench has to produce.
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I think the announcers hate each other.
No, they work LHN games together and have for a couple of years. They are a little too chummy together and it makes their broadcasts sound like trash, they're always like that.
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Barry was unreal tonight. Cartier was really good. Dean and Wade were solid.
(https://image.ibb.co/hCWQwm/1_10_18_Ind_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
We are such a bad rebounding team. I mean, even in a night where I thought we gave our best effort of the year, we got destroyed on the boards.
(https://image.ibb.co/jOvUNR/1_10_18_ADV_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
So we don't even get a stats thread huh?
We've lost _FAN to another board :cry: thanks a lot guys
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1) Effort was really good first 15 minutes.
2) with the 74-62 lead, we had held OSU to just under 1.00 PPP and 41.7 eFG. The last 2:15, we played too tenative and a bit lazy. They scored their final 8 times
3) 58-58 game. Time Out. We scored 28 pts in last 14 Possessions.
4) OSU was tremendous shooting FTs. After we started just 6-13, we made 22 of our last 24 FTs.
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Barry was unreal tonight. Cartier was really good. Dean and Wade were solid.
(https://image.ibb.co/hCWQwm/1_10_18_Ind_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
We are such a bad rebounding team. I mean, even in a night where I thought we gave our best effort of the year, we got destroyed on the boards.
(https://image.ibb.co/jOvUNR/1_10_18_ADV_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
So we don't even get a stats thread huh?
We've lost _FAN to another board :cry: thanks a lot guys
Sorry. I still post here, but basketball discussion is about 5 people.
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Barry was unreal tonight. Cartier was really good. Dean and Wade were solid.
(https://image.ibb.co/hCWQwm/1_10_18_Ind_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
We are such a bad rebounding team. I mean, even in a night where I thought we gave our best effort of the year, we got destroyed on the boards.
(https://image.ibb.co/jOvUNR/1_10_18_ADV_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
So we don't even get a stats thread huh?
We've lost _FAN to another board :cry: thanks a lot guys
Sorry. I still post here, but basketball discussion is about 5 people.
gE is dying, do what you must
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Barry was unreal tonight. Cartier was really good. Dean and Wade were solid.
(https://image.ibb.co/hCWQwm/1_10_18_Ind_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
We are such a bad rebounding team. I mean, even in a night where I thought we gave our best effort of the year, we got destroyed on the boards.
(https://image.ibb.co/jOvUNR/1_10_18_ADV_Stats_vs_OSU.png)
So we don't even get a stats thread huh?
We've lost _FAN to another board :cry: thanks a lot guys
Sorry. I still post here, but basketball discussion is about 5 people.
gE is dying, do what you must
We can't let oscar win.
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That was a tough gritty win by our team. Three or four guys played while under the weather including Wade, Brown and Stokes. Made the clutch plays when we needed to. Barry Browns effort ranks up there with with the best we have seen. Sorry if some of you were not able to see this game in person.
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
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Good win by the Cats. OSU isn't a pushover by any means. Our defensive philosophy absolutely drives me nuts though.
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Good win by the Cats. OSU isn't a pushover by any means. Our defensive philosophy absolutely drives me nuts though.
I only watched the last five minutes and the number of times we overhelped on a drive and gave up a wide open three was astounding.
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you'd be hard pressed to find a better win than Okie State at home. that team beat tulsa by 12, so you know they're good.
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
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Good win by the Cats. OSU isn't a pushover by any means. Our defensive philosophy absolutely drives me nuts though.
I only watched the last five minutes and the number of times we overhelped on a drive and gave up a wide open three was astounding.
I think the missing link defensively is a rim protector. We are so concerned with help defense on a dribble drive that we leave at least 2 guys wide open outside.
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If you want a good chuckle, watch Wainwright. He refuses to sprint. It's hilarious. He jogs everywhere. Even when his man is beating him down court, jogs. It cost us 2 easy baskets and to oscar's credit, he didn't see much of the floor in the second half.
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i had a good time watching the game last night and i am glad they won.
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
What an adorable hot take.
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Good win by the Cats. OSU isn't a pushover by any means. Our defensive philosophy absolutely drives me nuts though.
I only watched the last five minutes and the number of times we overhelped on a drive and gave up a wide open three was astounding.
I think we overcompensated. OSU gets the ball out in transition as well as anyone I've watched this year and their guards constantly got to the rim throughout the first half and much of the 2nd. They just adjusted to drive and kick at the end once they decided to foul and extend the game.
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Good win by the Cats. OSU isn't a pushover by any means. Our defensive philosophy absolutely drives me nuts though.
I only watched the last five minutes and the number of times we overhelped on a drive and gave up a wide open three was astounding.
I think we overcompensated. OSU gets the ball out in transition as well as anyone I've watched this year and their guards constantly got to the rim throughout the first half and much of the 2nd. They just adjusted to drive and kick at the end once they decided to foul and extend the game.
oscar has to do this a lot
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
Posse, I'd expect that take from milton milton but come on man; saying that assumes no one else would score on those possessions. Dean took five shots because one of the guys who feeds him the ball scored 38 points, that's pretty easy to figure out.
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
Posse, I'd expect that take from milton milton but come on man; saying that assumes no one else would score on those possessions. Dean took five shots because one of the guys who feeds him the ball scored 38 points, that's pretty easy to figure out.
he didn’t say that
the point is, is that dean doesn’t want it (he may, who knows). but he has to go get those buckets. would they call beasley “walking bucket” if he didn’t go get them?
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
Posse, I'd expect that take from milton milton but come on man; saying that assumes no one else would score on those possessions. Dean took five shots because one of the guys who feeds him the ball scored 38 points, that's pretty easy to figure out.
he didn’t say that
the point is, is that dean doesn’t want it (he may, who knows). but he has to go get those buckets. would they call beasley “walking bucket” if he didn’t go get them?
Well, I'll attack that as well given that Wade is our leader in points and field goal attempts.
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
Posse, I'd expect that take from milton milton but come on man; saying that assumes no one else would score on those possessions. Dean took five shots because one of the guys who feeds him the ball scored 38 points, that's pretty easy to figure out.
he didn’t say that
the point is, is that dean doesn’t want it (he may, who knows). but he has to go get those buckets. would they call beasley “walking bucket” if he didn’t go get them?
Well, I'll attack that as well given that Wade is our leader in points and field goal attempts.
I mean 2 of the things you just said are false
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2306
Wade is a very good player who needs to be more aggressive. note I didn't watch last night but I mean in general
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what's the gE single day most times bodybagged record? #weareallwitnesses
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They are really starting to pile up in here
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just think, if Barry only scores 33 we probably lose to one of the worst teams in the conference at home.
It would sucked to waste Barry's performance. The previous night had Ku not gotten a career high 27 from Newman they might have lost to lowly Isu at the Phog
If we are gonna have a chance going forward, we have to get better contributions from Wainright/Patrick. Those 2 are gonna be the first ones off the bench to sub our 1-4 spots. Last night in 28 Minutes they gave us 3 pts 2 reb 2 asst. 1-4FG 0-2FT. Need more than that. 5 fouls 5 combined Pts/Reb.
Obviously Dean taking 5 shots is not ideal either
Posse, I'd expect that take from milton milton but come on man; saying that assumes no one else would score on those possessions. Dean took five shots because one of the guys who feeds him the ball scored 38 points, that's pretty easy to figure out.
he didn’t say that
the point is, is that dean doesn’t want it (he may, who knows). but he has to go get those buckets. would they call beasley “walking bucket” if he didn’t go get them?
Well, I'll attack that as well given that Wade is our leader in points and field goal attempts.
I mean 2 of the things you just said are false
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2306
Wade is a very good player who needs to be more aggressive. note I didn't watch last night but I mean in general
Dammit. I used this site,
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2018.html
when I posted that earlier they didn't update to add last night's stats, I should have noticed that.
Either way he led in attempts until last night, was he supposed to take more shots when the guy distributing the ball was in the midst of a 38 point night?
That also merits discussion when talking about how many shots Wade, or any other non perimeter player gets when they have volume scorers who have to get them the ball in positions to score.
Check this out
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-12/2018.html
Deano is 1st team all conference
3rd in FG%
3rd in 2 pt makes
4th in PER
2nd in eFG
4th in true shooting percentage
8th in defensive rebounding percentage
2nd in offensive resting
4th in offensive win shares
5th in offensive box +/-
All of this with Barry being high in usage stats
5th in field goal attempts
4th in usage percentage
5th in points produced
All of this says to me that Dean is doing great with the chances he's getting but if he's playing in the front court with Barry and Kam handling the ball, there will always be a natural cap on his chances.
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MIR, your defense of Dean is solid and based in fact.
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I just don't want to see this -
Dean 5 shots in 37 Minutes
Everyone not named Barry & Kam, 30 shots in 127 min.
9 of 16 games he has 8+ shot attempts. He is Shooting 70% on 2pt and 68.6 eFG in those games.
* 45.0 eFG on the 30 shots mentioned above
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Wasn't Wade really sick anyway?
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Wasn't Wade really sick anyway?
Probably not, just a Brucexcuse as to why they didn't feed him the rock
Media: "coach, can you explain why Dean did not get the ball much?"
Coach: "oh, uh, he didn't? Ummmm, oh, yeah, I think he might have been sick?"
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He had diarrhea dipshit
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He had diarrhea dipshit
if he didn't do his business in a towel on the court then he must not have had to go that bad
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:lol:
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I just don't want to see this -
Dean 5 shots in 37 Minutes
Everyone not named Barry & Kam, 30 shots in 127 min.
9 of 16 games he has 8+ shot attempts. He is Shooting 70% on 2pt and 68.6 eFG in those games.
* 45.0 eFG on the 30 shots mentioned above
Are you able to contextualize the stats you post? Do you understand why, in the Oklahoma State game, his attempts were down? Are you able to compare his attempts in the OSU game to those in recent games and understand why they are different? For the record these are his shot attempts the last five games
Washington State 7
Iowa State 16
West Virginia 8
Texas Tech 12
Oklahoma State 5
Ask yourself what stat you can find to possibly explain those single digit games
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BTW, The Flush is attempting the same number of shots a game that Jacob Pullen did his junior year. Keep that in mind when discussing how many shots Dean gets.
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BTW, The Flush is attempting the same number of shots a game that Jacob Pullen did his junior year. Keep that in mind when discussing how many shots Dean gets.
Brown's shooting at a lower rate than Pullen (27.3 vs. 28.2) He's playing more minutes than Pullen did that year!
On that team, Clemente also shot at a 28.1 rate and Samuels was 20.0. Stokes is 22.5 and Wade is currently 21.6.
So you are right that the volume of shots Brown takes is a factor, oscar's strategy is part of it, but Wade's also part of it. There's definitely room for him to shoot more, Brown's shooting isn't that out of the ordinary.
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I guess I'm not seeing what you want me to see MIR. I understand that Barry shoots a lot and Kam does too.
Dean had 16 & 11 shots vs Isu/Tulsa.
In those 2 games Barry & Kam took 45.6 & 46.6% of the shots
Dean had 6 & 7 shots vs Vandy & Wazzu.
Barry & Kam took 45.0 & 46.0% of shots in those 2