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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: renocat on January 08, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
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I have to admit that I think we have reached that point. What do we have to offer. We have 3 healthy good player, one crippled guy, a bench full of knotheads, and no scholarship for a new coach to recruit with. I think it is conceivable that Brown and/or Wade transfer. If Oscar gets canned, do it now. We would have a hell of a Missouri Valley team, but Big 12 naw. What frustrates me is other pud programs like TCU, Texas Red Ticks, and OSU are moving up and forward. But not us. Hell no, we have bonehead administration that want bland white barf for basketball and football. They really don't give a rat's ass about grunt fan.
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Bob Huggins came to coach what Wooly had gotten fired for, and before we had all the amenities that the Frank era got us.
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We're never getting rid of oscar. We're stuck with him. :bawl:
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Bob Huggins came to coach what Wooly had gotten fired for, and before we had all the amenities that the Frank era got us.
To be fair, Wooly left a nice roster. Of course so would oscar.
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Uh...yeah.
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I wonder which roster people would take for new generic coach next year:
Cartier Martin
David Hoskins
Lance Harris
Clent Stewart
Akeem Wright
Mario Taybron*
Curtis Allen*
Tyler Hughes*
Deilvez Yearby
Darren Kent
Serge Afeli
Mark Frederick*
Justin Winger*
(people who left*)
The Flush
Claws
Deathbite
Xavier Sneed
Makol Mawien
Cartier Diarra
Amaad Wainright
Brian Patrick
Levi Stockard III
Nigel Shadd
Hunch
Kade Kinnamon
James Love
Mike McGuirl
Patrick Muldoon
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I have to admit that I think we have reached that point. What do we have to offer. We have 3 healthy good player, one crippled guy, a bench full of knotheads, and no scholarship for a new coach to recruit with. I think it is conceivable that Brown and/or Wade transfer. If Oscar gets canned, do it now. We would have a hell of a Missouri Valley team, but Big 12 naw. What frustrates me is other pud programs like TCU, Texas Red Ticks, and OSU are moving up and forward. But not us. Hell no, we have bonehead administration that want bland white barf for basketball and football. They really don't give a rat's ass about grunt fan.
This is the hard part... TCU, TTech and maybe OSU (Brad Underwood leaving sucked for them, so we'll see long term with the new coach) really invested in their programs have begun to creep over KSU. The top schools seem to be pretty solid each year, with OU's flop last year as an exception, and I don't see KSU gaining any ground against them.
I still think KSU can land a good coach (TCU, TTech and OSU (with Underwood) did). We have great facilities, great history and an 'ok' recent history. Provided the 'Core-Four' stay we could be an attractive place for a good coach. Perhaps Steve Henson will really turn it on at UTSA, he has already made good strides, this year and become a good candidate as well... maybe he could lure in Mitch Richmond to be the assistant head coach?
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I wonder which roster people would take for new generic coach next year:
Cartier Martin
David Hoskins
Lance Harris
Clent Stewart
Akeem Wright
Deilvez Yearby
Darren Kent
I’d take this one
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I wonder which roster people would take for new generic coach next year:
Cartier Martin
David Hoskins
Lance Harris
Clent Stewart
Akeem Wright
Mario Taybron*
Curtis Allen*
Tyler Hughes*
Deilvez Yearby
Darren Kent
Serge Afeli
Mark Frederick*
Justin Winger*
(people who left*)
The Flush
Claws
Deathbite
Xavier Sneed
Makol Mawien
Cartier Diarra
Amaad Wainright
Brian Patrick
Levi Stockard III
Nigel Shadd
Hunch
Kade Kinnamon
James Love
Mike McGuirl
Patrick Muldoon
Even without the Hoskins injury issue, I'd take this one. It was a fine roster to compete with at the time, but I think this one has better guards. Both have an all league level player (Martin and Wade) and then some nice Big 12 pieces (Hoskins, Harris, Wright, Kent compared to Stokes, Brown, Sneed, Diarra). IMHO anytime I'm comparing two rosters in college, I'll take the one with better guards and wings and this year's is better than the Wooly leftovers.
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Wade is the best player on that list and I think Sneed could make a run at 2 with right coach. Every coach wants to win right away but if the next guy needs to win his first year to then go out and recruit to KSU he is the wrong guy.
If we have learned nothing in the last 20+ years of following KSU basketball it should be that we need a coach that can bring in talent from somewhere other than the midwest and we really need an "in" in two talent different talent heavy areas to be great.
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I'm worried about our football program right now............I'll worry about bball when oscar is actually gone
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Wade is the best player on that list and I think Sneed could make a run at 2 with right coach. Every coach wants to win right away but if the next guy needs to win his first year to then go out and recruit to KSU he is the wrong guy.
Cartier Martin is the best player on that list, Hoskins is 2nd and Lance Harris is 3rd. But it's possible my perception is skewed by the fact that oscar Weber coaches the guys on this years team.
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Wade is the best player on that list and I think Sneed could make a run at 2 with right coach. Every coach wants to win right away but if the next guy needs to win his first year to then go out and recruit to KSU he is the wrong guy.
Cartier Martin is the best player on that list, Hoskins is 2nd and Lance Harris is 3rd. But it's possible my perception is skewed by the fact that oscar Weber coaches the guys on this years team.
it's also hard to have an opinion on the oscar player's when you never watch them play
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I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Martin isn't the best player on that list. I would also go similarly to Hoskins and maybe Wright instead of Lance next. FAN THERE is no way Wade is an all league level player this season. Last 3,4,5 games, yes. But not all season but for simply picking the best player from each team so everyone gets a spot. I would also take Stewart over our PGs. I know I'm over valuing a lot because of the I proven Huggins had for him JR to SR year, but I really feel he is better in necssay skills other then shooting.
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First, I never said Martin wasn't better than Wade.
Second, is very likely Wade is at least HM all league and maybe matches Martin's 2nd team as a junior.
Third, Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best. Kam and Brown are both better players.
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Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
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You can hate on oscar all you want but Wade is loads better than Martin and it really isn't close. May have been different if Cartier could have stayed healthy, but he was a hobbled set shooter by the time Huggins got him. And a pretty good one!
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wade needs to increase his shot%, especially on threes. but he's potentially better. if he'd shoot 200 3s next year, it'd be an easier comparison.
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You can hate on oscar all you want but Wade is loads better than Martin and it really isn't close. May have been different if Cartier could have stayed healthy, but he was a hobbled set shooter by the time Huggins got him. And a pretty good one!
Yeah, the injuries really changed what he could do. He was much more explosive when he arrived at K-State. Xavier Sneed is decent comparison.
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You can hate on oscar all you want but Wade is loads better than Martin and it really isn't close.
that's somewhere between unfair and untrue. we don't know what sort of orating martin could have put up if he'd have shot just 20% of possessions.
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he, like, sprained an ankle his freshman year, right? his purported pre-injury explosiveness sounds like a great kstate myth.
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he, like, sprained an ankle his freshman year, right? his purported pre-injury explosiveness sounds like a great kstate myth.
It was a knee. I remember him dunking in a half court set in an exhibition game. It was unheard of at the time
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wow, dunking in a half-court set.
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Also I agree Wade should be shooting a lot more
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he, like, sprained an ankle his freshman year, right?
Freshman Cartier Martin became the latest player to be hit with the injury bug when he came down with an ankle injury against Saint Louis on Jan. 2... Martin missed five games before returning to the lineup against Kansas on Jan. 28
http://www.kstatesports.com/news/2004/2/10/5583d913e4b06b726e663876_131478166675671548.aspx
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It was a foot injury. I remember going to the GPC recruiting thing after he signed and they had his high school highlights, he was dunking all over the place.
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wow, dunking in a half-court set.
Like I said, it was unheard of at the time. I think I'd only seen Kenyatta Dix accomplish that feat.
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Odd. http://cjonline.com/stories/010904/cat_martin.shtml#.WlWglDNMGaM
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i bet pasco was amazed to see that a player could dunk a basketball. hoskins and harris, i can't even imagine what they must have thought.
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wow, dunking in a half-court set.
Like I said, it was unheard of at the time. I think I'd only seen Kenyatta Dix accomplish that feat.
I mean, off the dribble
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Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best.
I will murder you.
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:D
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you know who was actually pretty athletic before an injury? ski jones.
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also cartier somehow seemed to get way more athletic the longer he played under huggings because huggins made him. cartier under wooly was more than fine and content hanging and occasionally doing stuff. huggins made him go to the rim and made him rebound as well. cartier with four years under huggins would've been fun to see. at least that's how I remember it.
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his purported pre-injury explosiveness sounds like a great kstate myth.
I've always thought this. Either way, he was never that type of player here.
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I have to admit that I think we have reached that point. What do we have to offer. We have 3 healthy good player, one crippled guy, a bench full of knotheads, and no scholarship for a new coach to recruit with. I think it is conceivable that Brown and/or Wade transfer. If Oscar gets canned, do it now. We would have a hell of a Missouri Valley team, but Big 12 naw. What frustrates me is other pud programs like TCU, Texas Red Ticks, and OSU are moving up and forward. But not us. Hell no, we have bonehead administration that want bland white barf for basketball and football. They really don't give a rat's ass about grunt fan.
This is the hard part... TCU, TTech and maybe OSU (Brad Underwood leaving sucked for them, so we'll see long term with the new coach) really invested in their programs have begun to creep over KSU. The top schools seem to be pretty solid each year, with OU's flop last year as an exception, and I don't see KSU gaining any ground against them.
I still think KSU can land a good coach (TCU, TTech and OSU (with Underwood) did). We have great facilities, great history and an 'ok' recent history. Provided the 'Core-Four' stay we could be an attractive place for a good coach. Perhaps Steve Henson will really turn it on at UTSA, he has already made good strides, this year and become a good candidate as well... maybe he could lure in Mitch Richmond to be the assistant head coach?
Wow... this is embarrassing... I had no idea Brad left OSU.......
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I also loved Curtis Allen more than was probably reasonable. I was super sad when he transferred. Always thought he should have played more mostly because of his awesome dunks in pregame.
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Basketball is easy to turn around if you have the right coach. The fans will be there....and the Big 12 is a very exciting conference right now. Can you imagine what Bram would be like when the angriest fans in the country return?
The question isn't if a decent coach will come here, but instead will Gene go after decent coaches.
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Basketball is easy to turn around if you have the right coach. The fans will be there....and the Big 12 is a very exciting conference right now. Can you imagine what Bram would be like when the angriest fans in the country return?
The question isn't if a decent coach will come here, but instead will Gene go after decent coaches.
Are we still the most hated team in America again this year or did someone take that title from us?
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The question isn't if a decent coach will come here, but instead will Gene go after decent coaches.
keady or our current AD?
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This is the same line of unconfident losery thinking that some people have with the football team and it puzzles and bothers me. "OMG we'll never get a good coach to come to little old Manhattan Kansas!"
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My initial top pick is Steve Forbes.
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Basketball is easy to turn around if you have the right coach. The fans will be there....and the Big 12 is a very exciting conference right now. Can you imagine what Bram would be like when the angriest fans in the country return?
The question isn't if a decent coach will come here, but instead will Gene go after decent coaches.
keady or our current AD?
Keady can slowly sit on a cucumber.
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First, I never said Martin wasn't better than Wade.
Second, is very likely Wade is at least HM all league and maybe matches Martin's 2nd team as a junior.
Third, Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best. Kam and Brown are both better players.
Sorry I was on mobile and that formatting ended up terribly. I didn't mean to suggest that you made that comparison when you clearly didn't.
Once again, you are king of solid stats that really provide a lot of food for thought, thank you for that.
I know I'm being colored by my time watching Wooly in school and Huggins first year my first year out, but there is no way I'd really consider Wade on par with Martin. I know I'm being colored by man personal factors. I feel like the FTA, 2PA show Martin's weight of contribution to the offense. I would love to see points per game (not sure that's possible, and you don't need to do anymore leg work). I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar. My hope is that these last few games usher in a new Wade that continues to force the issue with this kind of quality play.
Thanks Fan!
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).
Holy crap he doubled down
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Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best.
I will murder you.
Stew was rough ridin' terrible
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haha. good times, kat kid. those were good times.
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Stew was a mediocre point guard, a game manager at best.
I will murder you.
Stew was rough ridin' terrible
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You're going to pay for that.
haha. good times, kat kid. those were good times.
I was the lone dissenter in a sea of haters. My guy Stew wasn't by any means a flashy point guard but he was a steady presence, he played solid D and didn't turn the ball over. I'm pretty sure he's still top 5 all time in A:TO
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I don't see him.
(https://image.ibb.co/kOUuP6/Screen_Shot_2018_01_11_at_1_20_38_PM.png)
Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.
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man, not a good look by mir here today
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I don't see him.
(https://image.ibb.co/kOUuP6/Screen_Shot_2018_01_11_at_1_20_38_PM.png)
Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.
Sure the guy that is a master of Photoshop puts an unlinked and unsourced info graphic that supports his agenda and we are supposed to take it at face value.
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).
Holy crap he doubled down
JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.
Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.
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I think Korn is doing a great job developing Wade and anyone who thinks differently is most likely a squawk
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1.5 A:TO ratio is the definition of a great point guard.*
*in MIR's opinion
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At least people don't pretend Aaron Swartzendruber was worth a crap.
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I don't see him.
(https://image.ibb.co/kOUuP6/Screen_Shot_2018_01_11_at_1_20_38_PM.png)
Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.
Fake news
1.5 A:TO ratio is the definition of a great point guard.*
*in MIR's opinion
Your face is a 1:5 HOT:FUGLY ratio
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https://issuu.com/k-statesports/docs/entire_mbb_guide/127 :gocho:
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).
Holy crap he doubled down
JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.
Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.
THE STATS ARE LITERALLY IN FAN'S POST
OF COURSE HE HAS FEWER FGA THIS SEASON THERE'S STILL 15 GAMES LEFT YOU DUMBFUCK
HE IS SHOOTING MORE OFTEN THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 2 THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 3 THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING REBOUNDS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING MORE BLOCKS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING MORE STEALS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS DRAWING MORE FOULS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE GETS TO THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS FOULING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS TURNING IT OVER LESS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING ASSISTS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING THAN HE'S EVER BEEN HOLY eff HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID
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https://issuu.com/k-statesports/docs/entire_mbb_guide/127 :gocho:
virus, do not click
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Oh man, this has become a fun thread.
FWIW MIR, among players that played at least 1/3 of the minutes, Clent is 17th, 31st, 39th, and 41st in A:TO since 2002.
He is 10th, 14th, 24th, and 34th in assists per 100.
He wasn't really terrible.
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Clent had a good game in '08 vs KU and that's all that matters to me. #MyGuy
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He played the right way that's for sure
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Also proposed to his wife on Senior night on the court. #GOAT
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I don't see him.
(https://image.ibb.co/kOUuP6/Screen_Shot_2018_01_11_at_1_20_38_PM.png)
Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.
Look who sits atop that sexy list if you consider minimum 128 games played
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Wooly agrees that Stew was a player: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article194268474.html
“I don’t recall every shot, but I remember Schyler Thomas made a couple,” Wooldridge said. “That was big. Cartier Martin hit one big, big shot at the top of the key. Dramane Diarra played well. Then there was Clent Stewart. Man, he was a competitor. He is your classic definition of a winner. Maybe his heart had a lot to do with us winning that game.”
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Sky is my guy! What a walk-on!
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I don't see him.
(https://image.ibb.co/kOUuP6/Screen_Shot_2018_01_11_at_1_20_38_PM.png)
Face it MIR, he sucked garbage.
Look who sits atop that sexy list if you consider minimum 128 games played
I was a "Roder Rooter" in 82-84.
Tom
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Wooly agrees that Stew was a player: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article194268474.html
“I don’t recall every shot, but I remember Schyler Thomas made a couple,” Wooldridge said. “That was big. Cartier Martin hit one big, big shot at the top of the key. Dramane Diarra played well. Then there was Clent Stewart. Man, he was a competitor. He is your classic definition of a winner. Maybe his heart had a lot to do with us winning that game.”
The Jim Woolridge Winner Seal of Approval.
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I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
lol did you see this post? like, pretty much everything has improved every year. Lots of things to hate about oscar without having weird feelings about Wade.
Cartier.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/5bd948c3d90b3cc5b25e3189771e792e.jpg)
Dean.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/8a604f08929401223ab5e09e23d24b3c.jpg)
FTA, 2PA have both gone down, TO rate when up between 16 and 17 and is much higher so far through conference only stats, which many here agree is when Wade started turning the corner to being a player who could impact the game again. I would also argue the eFG% going up is a factor of him being more passive taking easier shots (see his assist numbers going up as he chooses to pass more instead of shooting, granted that is mostly because of oscar's system which under utilizes the post, in the post.).
Holy crap he doubled down
JFC enough with the bullshit trolling from you.
Pretty much everyone agrees that Wade is regressing in many aspects of his game under oscar's development. Great work bringing no stats or arguments to back up your point as I laid out very specific items which many here have said are cause for concern with his game play.
THE STATS ARE LITERALLY IN FAN'S POST
OF COURSE HE HAS FEWER FGA THIS SEASON THERE'S STILL 15 GAMES LEFT YOU DUMBFUCK
HE IS SHOOTING MORE OFTEN THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 2 THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM 3 THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS SHOOTING BETTER FROM THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING REBOUNDS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING MORE BLOCKS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING MORE STEALS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS DRAWING MORE FOULS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE GETS TO THE FREE THROW LINE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS FOULING LESS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS TURNING IT OVER LESS THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS GETTING ASSISTS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN HE EVER HAS
HE IS LITERALLY BETTER AT EVERYTHING THAN HE'S EVER BEEN HOLY eff HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID
Are you an adult? I know you've been on various for a long time but damn dude, get over yourself.
I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others. Further the stats I did mention show a decline from FR to SO year. Further many, but not all, of the stats you mention show a player who is taking easier shots and mechanically improving. Yes his 2% is higher, as well as his 3%, better stat would be the eFG% that you ignore. Further things like FTRate dropped pretty heavily from FR to SO again, and didn't really recover all that greatly until these last few games where he has exploded back on scene. Looking at his rebounding, again, he is just how getting back to where he was a FR, which is sad to consider all the promise he showed in his first campaign. Again, I don't put rebounding so much on him, but oscar's system that I don't think puts post players in a position to provide maximum impact. We'll see how his rebounding stats finish this year as I think our competition has allowed those to become overly inflated to this point. I expect a marginal improvement because he is doing more this year. But maybe in your world taking 42 less free throws and 20 some odd less shots between your FR and SO year, and having significant trouble getting yourself inserted into early season games is an example of improvement. Dunno. we'll see how things go over the last half of the season, when we actually have competition (because this season totally isn't a mirror of last season).
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You could say Dean had a slight slide from his FR to SO years, but his improvement this year is significant so far.
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
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You could say Dean had a slight slide from his FR to SO years, but his improvement this year is significant so far.
(https://image.ibb.co/i42swm/Dean_Improve.png)
why is your FTR so different from kenpom. lots of your stats are.
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You could say Dean had a slight slide from his FR to SO years, but his improvement this year is significant so far.
(https://image.ibb.co/i42swm/Dean_Improve.png)
why is your FTR so different from kenpom. lots of your stats are.
Yeah, I see that now. The JR year stats are jacked up.
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Here is the fixed chart for Dean each year.
Edit: My possession percentage is different. However, I finally found the error in my offensive rating formula, so that is fixed and reflects similar to kenpom. There are still some slight differences that I believe are caused by differences in accounting for overtime minutes.
(https://image.ibb.co/ekmG6m/Dean_Improve.png)
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
You seem really mentally unstable.
I'm not making a pure statistical comparison to this year, since we all agree we still have too far to go with conference play. (Interesting you fail to take that into account with your points where you do the most extreme name calling) most everyone agrees that oscar doesn't develop and many times causes some regression. I'm on record that wade has done extremely well these last few games, better then the tentative Wade we saw in noncon. I hope he continues this renissaunce we've seen because that will guaranteed lead to cats wins. But as we've seen before, oscar's teams fade pretty dang hard in conference play and especially the second half of league play
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
You seem really mentally unstable.
I'm not making a pure statistical comparison to this year, since we all agree we still have too far to go with conference play. (Interesting you fail to take that into account with your points where you do the most extreme name calling) most everyone agrees that oscar doesn't develop and many times causes some regression. I'm on record that wade has done extremely well these last few games, better then the tentative Wade we saw in noncon. I hope he continues this renissaunce we've seen because that will guaranteed lead to cats wins. But as we've seen before, oscar's teams fade pretty dang hard in conference play and especially the second half of league play
sure, we can talk about him regressing in conference play
oh wait, last year his Orating in conference was identical to his overall ORating. His EFG was better in conference than it was overall. And he shot more frequently. His rebounding was steady. Oh and the same thing is happening this year so far.
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
I hope he continues this renissaunce we've seen because that will guaranteed lead to cats wins.
:sdeek:
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
You seem really mentally unstable.
I'm not making a pure statistical comparison to this year, since we all agree we still have too far to go with conference play. (Interesting you fail to take that into account with your points where you do the most extreme name calling) most everyone agrees that oscar doesn't develop and many times causes some regression. I'm on record that wade has done extremely well these last few games, better then the tentative Wade we saw in noncon. I hope he continues this renissaunce we've seen because that will guaranteed lead to cats wins. But as we've seen before, oscar's teams fade pretty dang hard in conference play and especially the second half of league play
sure, we can talk about him regressing in conference play
oh wait, last year his Orating in conference was identical to his overall ORating. His EFG was better in conference than it was overall. And he shot more frequently. His rebounding was steady. Oh and the same thing is happening this year so far.
kenpom for those other stats? (Adults would have posted this to make a claim before hand)
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Wade's sophomore year will likely be his worst stats because it will be the only one he shares the court with another legit P5 post player :(
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I never said anything comparing explicitly this years stats to others.
what the eff is this?
I also feel like Wade's stats have shown a gradual regression under oscar.
and yeah you can talk about his efg if you want, dumbass. :lol:
You seem really mentally unstable.
I'm not making a pure statistical comparison to this year, since we all agree we still have too far to go with conference play. (Interesting you fail to take that into account with your points where you do the most extreme name calling) most everyone agrees that oscar doesn't develop and many times causes some regression. I'm on record that wade has done extremely well these last few games, better then the tentative Wade we saw in noncon. I hope he continues this renissaunce we've seen because that will guaranteed lead to cats wins. But as we've seen before, oscar's teams fade pretty dang hard in conference play and especially the second half of league play
sure, we can talk about him regressing in conference play
oh wait, last year his Orating in conference was identical to his overall ORating. His EFG was better in conference than it was overall. And he shot more frequently. His rebounding was steady. Oh and the same thing is happening this year so far.
kenpom for those other stats? (Adults would have posted this to make a claim before hand)
eff off(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/840f6e6689884ab946c46b1e537672a6.jpg)
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Also the updated stats he has regressed slightly in conference play but barely
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:sdeek: Rusty rage up in here :lol:
We'll see how things play out. Congrats on being hardcore team oscar. See you at the end of the season. Go Cats.
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Rusty's getting edn'd, we've all been there.
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the truth is still undefeated
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I have not read this thread and won't and it keeps getting longer and pissing me off.
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Rusty's getting edn'd, we've all been there.
quit acting like rusty hasn't been out of control or that oscar has done anything to develop Wade. Foolish as eff in here.
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let's check in on Wade's regression
(https://i.imgur.com/utSjNli.png)
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Regressing all the way to First Team All Big 12 selection
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Regressing all the way to First Team All Big 12 selection
I just wish he would play a little more consistent for us.
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@ednksu
(https://m.popkey.co/3c8623/L9Zkr_s-200x150.gif)
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Updated. Our SOS has bumped to top 50 in kenpom FWIW.
(https://image.ibb.co/mBNa5c/Individual_Improvement_Stats.png)
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let's check in on Wade's regression
(https://i.imgur.com/utSjNli.png)
that 3P% :eek:
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let's check in on Wade's regression
(https://i.imgur.com/utSjNli.png)
that 3P% :eek:
It's hard to believe that he is selfishly not shooting more.
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We survived when Stokes got injured. If Wade gets injured, then we are screwed. So to me his value goes past pure stats. In one year he will gone. Brown will be gone. Stokes will be gone. Ain't much after this. The recruiting is very poor for next year and the next. The abyss is coming if we stay the current course.
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I'm glad to see Wade maintaining his pace so far. We'll see if this continues on the back half of the conference season, if it doesn't this team is in deep trouble.
And just so I can keep things straight on my spread sheet of oscar supporters, the goEing is that Wade didn't regress from FR to SO years right?
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Put me on whatever spreadsheet you want, but no, he did not regress from FR to SO year. Not a huge jump, but definitely not a regression as he was a much more efficient player and a better shooter.
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his aggressiveness in his approach to scoring is night and day even from earlier this year. It's clear he realizes he needs to score.
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his aggressiveness in his approach to scoring is night and day even from earlier this year. It's clear he realizes he needs to score.
Yep, he now shoots 29% of our shots while on the floor compared to Barry's 28%. Its good to see him jump that and I hope by the end of the year he's over 30% for shots taken. His usage (poss%) is 2nd behind Barry, but he's not likely to jump that one because he's not a guard.
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Kam's first game out, Dean only had 5 shots. I expressed my displeasure with that. I thought Kam or no Kam, he needed to shoot more. Dean had 8 or fewer shots in 6 of last 9 games at that point.
Since that game, he's put up 14.8 shots per game. He's attempting 4.0 3pt shots, making 50%. Averaging 20.0 pts and clearly put himself on 1st team all-Conference
Team Leader Barry got in his ass and told him to step up. He did. And DeanWolf came alive.
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Kam's first game out, Dean only had 5 shots. I expressed my displeasure with that. I thought Kam or no Kam, he needed to shoot more. Dean had 8 or fewer shots in 6 of last 9 games at that point.
Since that game, he's put up 14.8 shots per game. He's attempting 4.0 3pt shots, making 50%. Averaging 20.0 pts and clearly put himself on 1st team all-Conference
Team Leader Barry got in his ass and told him to step up. He did. And DeanWolf came alive.
Kams first game out was OSU at home. Claws played that game with a 102 fever and taking IVs before the game. Brown had to and did carry the team that night with 38 points and 6 steals.
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Kam's first game out, Dean only had 5 shots. I expressed my displeasure with that. I thought Kam or no Kam, he needed to shoot more. Dean had 8 or fewer shots in 6 of last 9 games at that point.
Since that game, he's put up 14.8 shots per game. He's attempting 4.0 3pt shots, making 50%. Averaging 20.0 pts and clearly put himself on 1st team all-Conference
Team Leader Barry got in his ass and told him to step up. He did. And DeanWolf came alive.
Kams first game out was OSU at home. Claws played that game with a 102 fever and taking IVs before the game. Brown had to and did carry the team that night with 38 points and 6 steals.
I know Dean wasn't 100% that game, but he did play 37 minutes. It wasn't as much about the 5 shots in that game, but the lack of FGAs for Dean over a 9 game stretch. He's a great player but he shoots a very good eFG. Past 8 games, shooting almost 15 FGA per game, he is shooting almost 61% eFG in that time. (he's 61.5% for the season)