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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: sys on January 01, 2018, 10:17:54 AM
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i'm going to watch this game and will form and post an opinion here subsequently. others can use this thread for the same purpose, if they wish.
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we’re great, bro!
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I'm going to judge opinions posted in this thread. Harshly.
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we’re great, bro!
we'll soon find out, pissclams.
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I think the prematurely balding guard they have is going to be a tough matchup for us
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i'm pretty excited about the game today.
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But what if your opinion involves an agenda?
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But what if your opinion involves an agenda?
All opinions involve an agenda.
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Huggy has played 5 Power-6 teams. As one might expect they are good on TO forced and TO% in those games. Forcing almost 25%. Committing around 17.0-17.5% themselves
But Huggy not a good Rebounding team in those 5 games. WV just 28.6 OR% and allowing 33.5%
They made 34.6% on 3pt in those 5 games (they are 33.4 on the season)
Went 4-1. Lost by 23 to aTm. Beat Virginia,Pitt, Mizzou,OkSt by 7,9,4,6 respectively
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they're alright.
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they're alright.
They looked scared. But yeah they're fine
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lower to bottom big 12 team
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No post. No post season.
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:surprised:
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If Barry plays bad and Kam plays worse we aren't very good.
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We'll be middle of the pack. If we can continue to get road wins we'll come out upper middle.
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We'll be middle of the pack. If we can continue to get road wins we'll come out upper middle.
if we were good we would continue to get road wins and would finish in the standings where good teams do.
8-10 in this conference is where we will end up. average teams who rely solely on perimeter shooting with absolutely no inside game can’t compete in this conference. we’re going to have a lot more 35% nights rather than 55% nights and w/o the defensive and rebounding discipline that frank’s shitty shooting teams have, it’s tough to win
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West Virginia is really good.
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Wvu is what they have always been under Hugs - a whole that this greater than the sum of its parts and will lose in the 2nd weekend
I wish we could be so lucky
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I don't think Rebounding was a major factor in our loss today. That said, Kam/Barry getting 1 rebound in 73 minutes isn't good. Diarra/Wainright/Patrick also just 1 rebound in 32 minutes. 1 offensive board, 1 defensive board, 105 minutes. We relied solely on 3 guys(Dean Sneed Stockard)to do the Board work
WVU did get 7 2nd chance points between the 12:30 to 8:30 point in the 2nd half. We struggled to make a run because we couldn't get stops.
FWIW- WVU 2 starting guards & 3 bench Guard/Small Forwards had 17 Rebounds in 111 minutes
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WVU had like 7 guys that could get buckets, and they get that Armenian looking guy who's a total stud back in a couple games.
They're legit top 10 (unlike TCU)
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about the same as last year. all the main players are back.
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WVU had like 7 guys that could get buckets, and they get that Armenian looking guy who's a total stud back in a couple games.
They're legit top 10 (unlike TCU)
WVU had someone good injured?
:sdeek:
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Also I generally prefer playing Patrick or Wainwright or Diarra over the 5's. they are awful and we're better off without them.
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WVU had like 7 guys that could get buckets, and they get that Armenian looking guy who's a total stud back in a couple games.
They're legit top 10 (unlike TCU)
WVU had someone good injured?
:sdeek:
Probably their best player. Esa Ahmad.
I think he's ineligible for some reason.
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WVU had like 7 guys that could get buckets, and they get that Armenian looking guy who's a total stud back in a couple games.
They're legit top 10 (unlike TCU)
WVU had someone good injured?
:sdeek:
Probably their best player. Esa Ahmad.
I think he's ineligible for some reason.
NCAA suspension
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Our bigs are historically bad. Like are any of them legit threats to become all big 12 guys in three years?
I'd kill for pervis Pasco or Justin Williams on this team
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We have right now 4 exceptional players who can compete with anyone in the league, and if all 4 have a good game we have a chance to win. Do you all think that Brown and Stokes were just having an off night? At the game it looked like he decided to guard the heck out of them to limit the amount of points from them. Wade and Sneed had decent games.
The remainder of the team is abysmal (not good, frozen gravy, hot cat belch). It is apparent Oscar and his band of Merry Wieners cannot coach or recruit quality big men. Mawien and Sallah are athletes, but whoopy doo. I would take the big bulldozer Hungarian razzlin looking kid WVU had over our bigs. The WVUers scored 20 more points in the paint than we did.
In another thread, ol Oscar basically said he was out coached by Huggins who has a scheme that confused our players. Well then change how you coach.... durrrr!
I honestly am hoping that we have a good year as I see 4 outstanding players, but they can play really well and we can lose. Because of the poor bench and poor post men, things could spiral out of control when our 4 Carnivores get worn down.
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Our bigs are historically bad. Like are any of them legit threats to become all big 12 guys in three years?
I'd kill for pervis Pasco or Justin Williams on this team
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This drives me nuts!!
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We have right now 4 exceptional players who can compete with anyone in the league, and if all 4 have a good game we have a chance to win. Do you all think that Brown and Stokes were just having an off night? At the game it looked like he decided to guard the heck out of them to limit the amount of points from them. Wade and Sneed had decent games.
The remainder of the team is abysmal (not good, frozen gravy, hot cat belch). It is apparent Oscar and his band of Merry Wieners cannot coach or recruit quality big men. Mawien and Sallah are athletes, but whoopy doo. I would take the big bulldozer Hungarian razzlin looking kid WVU had over our bigs. The WVUers scored 20 more points in the paint than we did.
In another thread, ol Oscar basically said he was out coached by Huggins who has a scheme that confused our players. Well then change how you coach.... durrrr!
I honestly am hoping that we have a good year as I see 4 outstanding players, but they can play really well and we can lose. Because of the poor bench and poor post men, things could spiral out of control when our 4 Carnivores get worn down.
My first inclination was to be like, "Did oscar really say that," but I don't know why I would have that inclination bc, of course, oscar would say that. I guess I was just living in a fantasy land for a moment where we have a normal coach who says normal things like "got beat by a good, tough team today. We'll have to get back in the gym tomorrow and work out our issues."
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they don't have four outstanding players. wade is an nba guy, the two guards are competent big 12ers, sneed is tbd with some nice possibilities.
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No post. No post season.
Know post. Know post season.
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The difference in the game IMO was Kam having a totally off night. If he shoots his average we'd won that game.
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so very little margin for error with this team and with oscar at the helm im saying 9th in conference and NIT bound
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I'm not going to make too many conclusive decisions based on this game. Other teams will play physical for sure, but nobody plays like WVU. The top two reasons going in that WVU would beat us was turnovers and rebounding and we managed both. We couldn't finish in the lane and their players flat out made more plays than ours. I'm not going to write us off yet.
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i just cant see down the road where this team will beat a good team, we struggle with teams we shouldnt ie wsu vandy tulsa (and before wacky jumps in ive watched almost every game we have played). we are who we are at this point and it doesnt help that our conference is ridiculous again this year. we might finish 7/8 but thats with some upsets on the road
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i just cant see down the road where this team will beat a good team.
they will undoubtedly get some good wins. weber lets them have all the fools gold they want, and they can put 5 decent or better shooters on the floor at the same time. that's almost impossible to guard.
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The difference in the game IMO was Kam having a totally off night. If he shoots his average we'd won that game.
So there's no plan B, sad but true. The cats are notorious for no play in the paint or driving to the basket. Also, shooting from the perimeter(hit or miss) results in low FTAs. They are lacking in so many aspects of the game it isn't funny. Oh and the bench.... :buh-bye:
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WVU had like 7 guys that could get buckets, and they get that Armenian looking guy who's a total stud back in a couple games.
They're legit top 10 (unlike TCU)
WVU had someone good injured?
:sdeek:
Probably their best player. Esa Ahmad.
I think he's ineligible for some reason.
NCAA suspension
^ This. Specifically, grades. I'm sure the kid learned his lesson. Huggs is notorious for running players who end up in the dog house. He makes sure they don't take it easy by making them run on treadmills cranked up.
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treadmills cranked
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The difference in the game IMO was Kam having a totally off night. If he shoots his average we'd won that game.
So there's no plan B, sad but true. The cats are notorious for no play in the paint or driving to the basket. Also, shooting from the perimeter(hit or miss) results in low FTAs. They are lacking in so many aspects of the game it isn't funny. Oh and the bench.... :buh-bye:
But we shot 25 FTs to their 16 and many of theirs came after we fouled late in the game.
We got plenty of opportunities in the paint, 30 shots. We just only made 10.
There were 2 main problems:
1) Besides Wade, nobody else could finish in or near the paint.
Wade was 5-8 on 2s. The rest of the team was 4-22. Barry 3-7. Carier 1-3. Stockard 1-4. Stokes 0-3. Sneed 0-2. Mawein 0-2. Wainright 0-1.
2) Stokes and Brown were bad. 5-23 combined. 2-13 from 3 combined. 8 assists and 9 turnovers combined. .71 offensive rating and 15 points per 100 possessions combined. All of that is bad.
I don't believe we'll have either of those issues consistently, but I could be wrong.
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1) the bad offense got us into a hole. We had a 5-2 lead, and then only scored 10 points in the next 25 Possessions. 4-17 on 2pt, 0-6 on 3pt, with 6 TOs in that stretch. Trailed 25-15, 28 Possessions into the game
2) the defense couldn't get stops in the 2nd half. It was 35-31. Of WV next 25 Possessions, they got points on 17 of them.
*3 FGs after getting an OR (7 pts)
* 6 trips to FT line because of our fouling issues (10 pts)
* 8 other FGs (2 3s and a 3pt play)
* we actually scored 32 but they got 36 during those 25 Possessions.
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The disappointing thing is that with two quality guards, this was probably as good an opportunity for a top ten win that we'll see (unless Trae Young has an off night against us).
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Pfft. There is like a 100% chance Young will get injured this season. Don't you read gE?
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I hate how much we play to avoid contact, every single player does it except for The Flush. Wade avoids contact as well, he's just adept at doing it while everyone else is afraid and inept.
I've never been a blame everything on oscar guy, but this is 100% his fault. This is something that can be a point of emphasis in practice and how you require your players to play. You shouldn't have to but you can absolutely teach driving guards and big men in the block to go through the defenders extended arms. I can't even credibly judge how skilled our big men are because they aren't forced to play to contact it's the most frustrating aspect of oscar Weber basketball.
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The disappointing thing is that with two quality guards, this was probably as good an opportunity for a top ten win that we'll see (unless Trae Young has an off night against us).
I don't agree with that at all, as a matter of fact I'd bet everything I got we'll win at least one, likely more than one, of the remaining seven games against WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, and TCU. Teams that play how we play can shoot themselves into or out of any game we play. We would have beaten every team in the league the way we shot against ISU and X was awful. We'll have a night where we go 17-32 from the three point line and catch someone.
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The difference in the game IMO was Kam having a totally off night. If he shoots his average we'd won that game.
So there's no plan B, sad but true. The cats are notorious for no play in the paint or driving to the basket. Also, shooting from the perimeter(hit or miss) results in low FTAs. They are lacking in so many aspects of the game it isn't funny. Oh and the bench.... :buh-bye:
But we shot 25 FTs to their 16 and many of theirs came after we fouled late in the game.
We got plenty of opportunities in the paint, 30 shots. We just only made 10.
There were 2 main problems:
1) Besides Wade, nobody else could finish in or near the paint.
Wade was 5-8 on 2s. The rest of the team was 4-22. Barry 3-7. Carier 1-3. Stockard 1-4. Stokes 0-3. Sneed 0-2. Mawein 0-2. Wainright 0-1.
2) Stokes and Brown were bad. 5-23 combined. 2-13 from 3 combined. 8 assists and 9 turnovers combined. .71 offensive rating and 15 points per 100 possessions combined. All of that is bad.
I don't believe we'll have either of those issues consistently, but I could be wrong.
My bad, I expressed my opinion based on the season so far. Aside from the FTA advantage because of WVU's style of play I feel my bitch still valid.
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I don't disagree that your points aren't valid.
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The disappointing thing is that with two quality guards, this was probably as good an opportunity for a top ten win that we'll see (unless Trae Young has an off night against us).
I don't agree with that at all, as a matter of fact I'd bet everything I got we'll win at least one, likely more than one, of the remaining seven games against WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, and TCU. Teams that play how we play can shoot themselves into or out of any game we play. We would have beaten every team in the league the way we shot against ISU and X was awful. We'll have a night where we go 17-32 from the three point line and catch someone.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif)
this is what k-state basketball has become. hoping for the $500 winning scratch off ticket.
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OMG dumb and dumber gif clams just went there!
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Game was rough.
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OMG dumb and dumber gif clams just went there!
yep just watched on hbo, such a classic romantic comedy
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The disappointing thing is that with two quality guards, this was probably as good an opportunity for a top ten win that we'll see (unless Trae Young has an off night against us).
I don't agree with that at all, as a matter of fact I'd bet everything I got we'll win at least one, likely more than one, of the remaining seven games against WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, and TCU. Teams that play how we play can shoot themselves into or out of any game we play. We would have beaten every team in the league the way we shot against ISU and X was awful. We'll have a night where we go 17-32 from the three point line and catch someone.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif)
this is what k-state basketball has become. hoping for the $500 winning scratch off ticket.
I wouldn't classify it as a lottery ticket but a function of relying on streaky jump shooters. It's not like any of those guys are pro caliber shooters, it's going to come and go for all of them.
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the same can be said of any shooter but if you're relying on ISU nights from this team then yeah, it's nothing more than a winning scratcher. could be worse, it could be a powerball.
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Barry is 53-90 on 2pt in his last 11 games.
He is 13-51 on 3pt in those 11.
59% vs 25.5% and he has missed 22 of last 27.
Too many of his shots are from deep. 50 attempts in last 10 games. Need more Barry driving to the rim.
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The disappointing thing is that with two quality guards, this was probably as good an opportunity for a top ten win that we'll see (unless Trae Young has an off night against us).
I don't agree with that at all, as a matter of fact I'd bet everything I got we'll win at least one, likely more than one, of the remaining seven games against WVU, Kansas, Oklahoma, and TCU. Teams that play how we play can shoot themselves into or out of any game we play. We would have beaten every team in the league the way we shot against ISU and X was awful. We'll have a night where we go 17-32 from the three point line and catch someone.
I don't think those teams will all be top 10 when we play them which is part of my reasoning. I think TCU is a fringe top 25 team at best. We probably will win at least one against those teams, I just thought WV was the elite team we matched up the best against.
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I mean. We can all agree that the Big 12 is just absolutely loaded this year right?
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I mean. We can all agree that the Big 12 is just absolutely loaded this year right?
Yeah, with KSU and ISU being the two teams that lighten that load.