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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
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IMHO, 2017 was a pretty amazing year for America.
1. Stock market, already performing strongly under Obama, went absolutely bananas under President Business, jumping about 6,000 points (over 25%) in one year! Amazing for retirement and college savings accounts and other investments.
2. About 2 million new jobs created and unemployment down to 4%. Labor Force Participation Rate is slowly eking back up after decades of decline.
3. GDP now growing at 3% and likely to go higher?!
4. By most estimates, illegal immigration has dropped by at least 50%. And this without the wall (speaking of which, the prototypes look damned sexy).
5. Papa Trump delivers a massive tax cut to the Dub family, and for the vast majority of Americans. Also slashes corporate tax rate and the rest of the world is now concerned about America's "unfair advantage."
6. We have an unabashedly America First president in the WH.
7. Scott Pruitt heads the EPA. The world hasn't ended. The Man-made Global Warming Catastrophe is still a sham. We withdraw from the absurd Paris Agreement.
8. Energy exports at an all time high. ANWR (a small slice, at least) open for drilling. Oil prices continue to be quite reasonable.
9. ISIS is in shambles.
10. On the education front, Betsy Devos is rolling back the Obama admin's absurd Title IX sexual assault kangaroo court and co-ed locker room guidances.
11. We've finally moved our Israeli embassy to what everyone knows is Israel's capital. The UN condemns. We slash nearly $300 million in funding to the UN.
12. We're starting to see how truly lucky we are to have dodged the Hillary bullet, with all her Russian COLUSION on Uranium One and the Trump dossier peddling.
13. Gorsuch!! Trump’s addition of textualists like Gorsuch and others to the federal bench may hinder liberal (and some conservative) aims, but it is good for the rule of law. I could not have asked for a better replacement for Scalia. Scary to think we close that seat was to flipping to another liberal ideologue.
GO AMERICA! I am excited to see what 2018 brings, especially on the economic front!
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Decent points. Glad Putin was wrong
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170 pages of lol trump
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Ksudub fervently defending a child molester
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2017 will forever be remembered as the year libs got owned super hard by:
1. Making racism cool again
2. Trump exposing every major news outlet as completely false, thus meaning only Trump himself can be trusted
3. USA starting to go back to third world status in foreign relations (no Paris accords, non-neutral on Israel/Palestine, raising North Korean influence)
4. Continuing an upward economic trend that indisputably started during Obama's presidency
5. Deciding not to repeal/replace Obamacare and instead just taking away the only thing that made it viable (with absolutely no prospect of a fix in sight)
6. Working to deport a large segment of our future work force who were educated in America and consider themselves Americans
7. Almost losing a senate race to a pedophile
8. Massively increasing spending and adding to the deficit
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KSU has laid out some good things that have happened in America in 2017. For balance I would like a list of bad things that have happened in America in 2017 before I make my decision about whether or not 2017 was a good year for America.
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As bad as 2017 looked, it is still better than I anticipated.
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Negatives....
1. GOP failed to repeal and replace Obamacare - it's just gonna get worse and worse (and likely more and more expensive).
2. GOP didn't even try to cut spending. Deficit still exceeds $600 billion.
3. Liberals, the federal bureaucracy, and the media (but I repeat myself) completely lost their crap their year (not good for America in the long run).
4. Rise of the "Antifa" fascist movement.
5. Las Vegas and other mass shootings.
6. Hurricane devastation.
Items 3 and 4 are in direct response to the Trumpster, so I can live with them, especially with as amazing as Trump has been for America.
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Negatives....
1. GOP failed to repeal and replace Obamacare - it's just gonna get worse and worse (and likely more and more expensive).
2. GOP didn't even try to cut spending. Deficit still exceeds $600 billion.
3. Liberals, the federal bureaucracy, and the media (but I repeat myself) completely lost their crap their year (not good for America in the long run).
4. Rise of the "Antifa" fascist movement.
5. Las Vegas and other mass shootings.
Items 3 and 4 are in direct response to the Trumpster, so I can live with them, especially with as amazing as Trump has been for America.
Sure, that's all of the negative things from 2017 :rolleyes:
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Prediction:
Anything good that happened in 2017 was still because of Obama and anything bad that happened is directly linked to Trump. Rinse and repeat.
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Our little territory in the Caribbean is still largely without power and basic necessities so that's probably a negative
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Prediction:
Anything good that happened in 2017 was still because of Obama and anything bad that happened is directly linked to Trump. Rinse and repeat.
yes, that is definitely the way this thread is going
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I think women standing up to sex offenders in positions of power is pretty great.
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Prediction:
Anything good that happened in 2017 was still because of Obama and anything bad that happened is directly linked to Trump. Rinse and repeat.
yes, that is definitely the way this thread is going
FIGHT ME!!!
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I think women standing up to male liberal sex offenders in positions of power is pretty great.
fixed, the dems are getting busted doing this at a 10 to 1 rate.
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K-S-U-W, do you believe that the empowerment and rise of the alt-right and white nationists to the mainstream was a positive or negative or do you believe that it even happened?
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why is #11 amazing for america?
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K-S-U-W, do you believe that the empowerment and rise of the alt-right and white nationists to the mainstream was a positive or negative or do you believe that it even happened?
No I don’t believe they are any more empowered or mainstream than they were last year, or the year before. Media has certainly given them greater exposure in an effort to link them to Trump....
Now “Antifa” on the other hand, that merry band of fascists, the liberal Tea Party, certainly emerged this year. You can’t dispute that.
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There's blame on both sides puni, remember?
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K-S-U-W, do you believe that the empowerment and rise of the alt-right and white nationists to the mainstream was a positive or negative or do you believe that it even happened?
No I don’t believe they are any more empowered or mainstream than they were last year, or the year before. Media has certainly given them greater exposure in an effort to link them to Trump....
good people on both sides
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There's blame on both sides puni, remember?
This appears to be the latest liberal mythology, just like “hands up don’t shoot.” No rational person can deny that Antifa came armed to the protest and poured gasoline on the fire in Charlottesville, but to liberals it is an outrage for Trump to say there was blame on both sides. See Point 3 of my negatives list.
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Antifa deserve to get run over by cars and die
-KSUW and also white supremacists
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o it was just the media my bad
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There's blame on both sides puni, remember?
This appears to be the latest liberal mythology, just like “hands up don’t shoot.” No rational person can deny that Antifa came armed to the protest and poured gasoline on the fire in Charlottesville, but to liberals it is an outrage for Trump to say there was blame on both sides. See Point 3 of my negatives list.
Antifa came a day after this very peaceful, civil, respectful protest. These people didn't pour gasoline on the fire to begin with. KSUW and Trump both viciously defend this "peaceful" protest because they relate so closely with these people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P54sP0Nlngg
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K-S-U-W, do you believe that the empowerment and rise of the alt-right and white nationists to the mainstream was a positive or negative or do you believe that it even happened?
Don't forget the defense of pedophilia via jesus
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There's blame on both sides puni, remember?
This appears to be the latest liberal mythology, just like “hands up don’t shoot.” No rational person can deny that Antifa came armed to the protest and poured gasoline on the fire in Charlottesville, but to liberals it is an outrage for Trump to say there was blame on both sides. See Point 3 of my negatives list.
That is an argument for "there are bad people on both sides". Your dear leader's argument was that "there are very fine people on both sides." That argument is clearly false. There are no "very fine" white supremacists. There are no "very fine" Neo-Nazis.
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There's blame on both sides puni, remember?
This appears to be the latest liberal mythology, just like “hands up don’t shoot.” No rational person can deny that Antifa came armed to the protest and poured gasoline on the fire in Charlottesville, but to liberals it is an outrage for Trump to say there was blame on both sides. See Point 3 of my negatives list.
That is an argument for "there are bad people on both sides". Your dear leader's argument was that "there are very fine people on both sides." That argument is clearly false. There are no "very fine" white supremacists. There are no "very fine" Neo-Nazis.
So again, to support your mythology, you have cherry picked 8 words from remarks made off the cuff. Here is the full context....
REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?
TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
And his follow up comments....
I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent, and nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent."
Which is all perfectly sensible and accurate.
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I don’t understand what about that context makes you think it is some kind of comeback to the comments posted so far.
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I don’t understand what about that context makes you think it is some kind of comeback to the comments posted so far.
The context is kdub being ok with the president empowering nazis cause it owns the libs
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I don’t understand what about that context makes you think it is some kind of comeback to the comments posted so far.
It is perfectly reasonable to point out that (1) not everyone protesting the removal of confederate monuments is a nazi or white nationalist, and (2) there was blame on both sides for the violence in Charlottesville. If you don’t understand that, or cannot acknowledge that, it goes to my Negatives #3.
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Resident libs just being willfully ignorant as usual. Catastrophe might be this stupid, but the rest have no excuse. :frown:
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Relevant
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/946400770395721728
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-barack-obama-joe-biden-approval-rating-759462
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Relax buddy you are 25 % thru the Trump
Presidency
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Kdub, would you rate trump's first year as great, good, okay, or other?
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Kdub, would you rate trump's first year as great, good, okay, or other?
and try to measure it w/o considering lib butthurt as a factor
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I wish I was more surprised at K-S-U listing the Antifa but not Nazis
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A year with more people being killed in mass shootings then ever before is pretty amazing year because tax cuts.
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I think just any interview Trump does with the New York Times immediately reveals what a complete moron he is. That has been a good part of 2017.
https://twitter.com/dylanlscott/status/946564778142650368
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How unexpected. A 2017 in review thread has devolved into liberals posting random butthurt tweets about Trump... Isn’t there another thread, or 20, you can clutter with this crap?
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How unexpected. A 2017 in review thread has devolved into liberals posting random butthurt tweets about Trump... Isn’t there another thread, or 20, you can clutter with this crap?
No, this fits here.
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Kdub, would you rate trump's first year as great, good, okay, or other?
and try to measure it w/o considering lib butthurt as a factor
I’m still anxiously awaiting the response to this. However it may never happen because lib butthurt is such a big part of what was so successful.
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Kdub, would you rate trump's first year as great, good, okay, or other?
I’d say okay, maybe a C or C+. As I mentioned above, he’s been marvelous for the economy, and refreshingly pro-America regarding immigration, energy production, and foreign policy. He is significantly reforming the judiciary for the better, and he’s made some stellar cabinet picks like Betsy DeVos and Scott Pruitt.
He’s also done a fairly remarkable job of keeping his base - thanks largely to twitter - despite a rabidly partisan media applying an absurd double standard vis a vis his predecessor, and swampy federal bureaucrats.
But the Jeff Sessions pick for AG was a spectacular if unforeseeable disaster, resulting in both a recusal that ultimately led to appointment of a special prosecutor and loss of a safe senate seat. Failure to fire Comey on Day 1 was also a big mistake. The independent counsel, despite finding not a whiff so far of what it was charged to investigate - Russian COLUSION to interfere with the election - has now broadened its scope as special prosecutors always do. While unlikely to finger Trump directly, it will continue to dog much if not all of his presidency.
Trump’s biggest failing is that, because he is a populist, and he despises establishment pubs (and the feeling is mutual) he has neglected to adequately engage and lead the pub majorities in congress. The Obamacare repeal collapse was a disaster and Trump bears some of the blame for that.
So good and bad, overall ok. Hoping he steps up his game with congress in 2018.
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how do you rate mike pence's first year as veep?
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how do you rate mike pence's first year as veep?
Seems like he made a good call on the #MeToo front.
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how do you rate mike pence's first year as veep?
Seems like he made a good call on the #MeToo front.
Explain please.
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Mike Pence won’t associate with women because he will sexually assault them if he does.
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How unexpected. A 2017 in review thread has devolved into liberals posting random butthurt tweets about Trump... Isn’t there another thread, or 20, you can clutter with this crap?
can we get a ruling on the impact of tweeting by POTUS in year one from a "always trump" supporter? What is the thought when he fires off a tweetstorm off message?
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Good roundup of 10 big stories of 2017 that didn’t get the coverage they deserved.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-davis-ten-undercovered-20171228-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-davis-ten-undercovered-20171228-story.html)
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Here’s a good round up on the environmental front! https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ten-worst-things-scott-pruitts-epa-has-already-done (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-ten-worst-things-scott-pruitts-epa-has-already-done) :woot:
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Scott's the man :cool:
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5 things better now because of trump
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-better-things-president-effects-216201
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Just like Dax and KSUW are still alive after Obama, everyone will survive after Trump. Unless we get into a nuclear war and everybody dies but that’s only like a 50/50 chance so everybody should be fine. We had some good pitting this year guys and I enjoyed it and let’s have another great year in 2018. :cheers:
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5 things better now because of trump
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-better-things-president-effects-216201
Hmmm.... So 3 of these 5 things amount to liberals rediscovering the Constitution and the media’s role as watchdog (and a 4th is publicly acknowledging what they already knew about liberal Hollywood). Isn’t that an indictment of liberals and the media (but I repeat myself) under Obama?
Anyway, couldn’t avoid making that observation, but it’s New Year’s Eve and I don’t really feel like playing whack-a-mole today. In fact, I think I’m going to take a little time off from this stuff. I sincerely wish every one of you a happy and prosperous 2018!!
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have a good time bud
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5 things better now because of trump
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/31/trump-better-things-president-effects-216201
Hmmm.... So 3 of these 5 things amount to liberals rediscovering the Constitution and the media’s role as watchdog (and a 4th is publicly acknowledging what they already knew about liberal Hollywood). Isn’t that an indictment of liberals and the media (but I repeat myself) under Obama?
Anyway, couldn’t avoid making that observation, but it’s New Year’s Eve and I don’t really feel like playing whack-a-mole today. In fact, I think I’m going to take a little time off from this stuff. I sincerely wish every one of you a happy and prosperous 2018!!
I didn't think it was only liberals having to rediscover the constitution....it's everybody. :cheers:
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/946775332564230144