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Title: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 14, 2017, 03:33:31 PM
The road team went 26-17 in Big 12 conference games this year.  Also, the road team out-scored the home team by 44 points, meaning that there was a +1/game advantage of playing on the road this year.

I don't think home field advantage is what it used to be.  The college kids don't care as much about (traditional) sports, and everybody in the stands seems to be genius offensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: pissclams on December 14, 2017, 03:39:19 PM
that’s really surprising
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: The Big Train on December 14, 2017, 03:40:28 PM
I think it’s more interesting than surprising TBO ‘clams
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: pissclams on December 14, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
it’s both and when I read it, I was surprised
and there’s a little something that I like to call freedom of surprisingness so suck it
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2017, 03:53:42 PM
I would say p surprising cause home teams should win more than they lose  :th_twocents: :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: meow meow on December 14, 2017, 04:16:38 PM
especially surprising when you consider ku hasn't won a road game ever
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: DQ12 on December 14, 2017, 04:39:41 PM
Why are two games unaccounted for?  Should be 45 big 12 games.

EDIT: nvm.  two neutral site conference games.  disregard.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 14, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
Meh. Both Baylor and KU had a 5 home game schedule (1 Baylor game was neutral site).

That's 10 (9*) road wins for the conference and a lot of points outscored.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: star seed 7 on December 14, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
Shooter Jones making a strong case for interesting
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: MadCat on December 14, 2017, 06:38:37 PM
Even more surprinteresting considering the road loss constant that is KU.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 14, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
especially surprising when you consider ku hasn't won a road game ever

Well they also don't win home games, so it balances out.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 14, 2017, 09:30:09 PM
Meh. Both Baylor and KU had a 5 home game schedule (1 Baylor game was neutral site).

That's 10 (9*) road wins for the conference and a lot of points outscored.

Ku/Bu played one more home game combined than road games.  That can’t account for the difference.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 14, 2017, 10:14:11 PM
When you have 20% of your conference teams winning a combined 1 conference game, it's going to be skewed.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 14, 2017, 10:30:49 PM
When you have 20% of your conference teams winning a combined 1 conference game, it's going to be skewed.

No, it isn’t, because Ku and Bu lost almost the same amount of road games as home games.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: The Big Train on December 14, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
Let’s focus on if this is surprising of interesting guys
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: bones129 on December 14, 2017, 11:36:23 PM
Let’s focus on if this is surprising of interesting guys

Neither.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2017, 08:14:27 AM
I'd be interested to see how this stacks up to other years. 
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 09:10:12 AM
Meh. Both Baylor and KU had a 5 home game schedule (1 Baylor game was neutral site).

That's 10 (9*) road wins for the conference and a lot of points outscored.

Ku/Bu played one more home game combined than road games.  That can’t account for the difference.

If they win just two home games each, the league is .500 home/away (well, road teams 22-21)

Like I said, MEH.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 15, 2017, 09:14:49 AM
Meh. Both Baylor and KU had a 5 home game schedule (1 Baylor game was neutral site).

That's 10 (9*) road wins for the conference and a lot of points outscored.

Ku/Bu played one more home game combined than road games.  That can’t account for the difference.

If they win just two home games each, the league is .500 home/away (well, road teams 22-21)

Like I said, MEH.

The numbers suggest that KU and BU had a better chance of winning a road game than a home game.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2017, 09:18:09 AM
hey dummies:  KU and Baylor accounted for a net two more home losses.

quit trying to make this stat less interesting/surprising.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: LickNeckey on December 15, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
The road team went 26-17 in Big 12 conference games this year.  Also, the road team out-scored the home team by 44 points, meaning that there was a +1/game advantage of playing on the road this year.

I don't think home field advantage is what it used to be.  The college kids don't care as much about (traditional) sports, and everybody in the stands seems to be genius offensive coordinator.

I can barely make it through live sporting events anymore because of this
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 15, 2017, 09:27:28 AM
hey dummies:  KU and Baylor accounted for a net two more home losses.

quit trying to make this stat less interesting/surprising.

If you take KU/BU out of the equation, I believe the road team record is 17-10 (if my quick math is correct).

Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 09:39:49 AM
hey dummies:  KU and Baylor accounted for a net two more home losses.

quit trying to make this stat less interesting/surprising.

If you take KU/BU out of the equation, I believe the road team record is 17-10 (if my quick math is correct).

Home records:

4-0
3-1 
2-2
2-2
2-2
2-3
2-3
0-4 - TECH
0-5 - (4*) BAYLOR
0-5 - KU
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2017, 09:42:08 AM
KSU games alone put the road team at +3.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 09:51:50 AM
hey dummies:  KU and Baylor accounted for a net two more home losses.

quit trying to make this stat less interesting/surprising.

The worst teams in the league had the 5 home game schedule... And the worst 3 were all winless at home in conference play.

I really don't think the stat is that interesting.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Steffy08 on December 15, 2017, 10:05:13 AM
hey dummies:  KU and Baylor accounted for a net two more home losses.

quit trying to make this stat less interesting/surprising.

The worst teams in the league had the 5 home game schedule... And the worst 3 were all winless at home in conference play.

I really don't think the stat is that interesting.

I think your failure to appreciate the significance of the numbers is interesting, and a little surprising.

Ignore KU/BU.  Road teams went 17-10 in conference.  (if you take BU/KU out of the equation, the advantage for the road teams actually goes up slightly!)
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
Road teams were 19-4 against the bottom half (as far as home records go) of the conference.

4 home wins between KU, BU, TTU, KSU, OSU.

I guess that actually is pretty god damn interesting... and embarrassing.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 10:25:42 AM
OK, I will concede it's interesting.

With UT, OSU, KSU, and TTU probably skewing the stats the most, and KU and BU slightly helping.

The stat of 4 home wins between the 5 of KU/BU/KSU/OSU/Tech is absolutely absurd though.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2017, 10:30:27 AM
I thought KSU's splits were weird but OSU's are even stranger
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 15, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
I thought KSU's splits were weird but OSU's are even stranger

Tech as well.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: cfbandyman on December 15, 2017, 10:40:27 AM
We were part of the problem, we had a freaking losing home record in the Big 12, yet were 3-1 on the road (I realize TT/KU are in that)
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: _33 on December 15, 2017, 10:42:25 AM
I found the stat to be extremely surprising...but not interesting in the least. 
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: ChiComCat on December 15, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
I thought KSU's splits were weird but OSU's are even stranger

Tech as well.

Tech doesn't surprise me much because they kind of suck.  Maybe us and UT were their closest thing to outliers.
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: hemmy on December 15, 2017, 01:26:46 PM
Let's not forget the half time brewski crowd. Clear impact on home field advantage.  :Ugh:
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: DQ12 on December 15, 2017, 01:29:44 PM
I found the stat to be extremely surprising...but not interesting in the least.
I'd gauge it as moderately surprising and possibly interesting
Title: Re: Interesting Big 12 Football Stat
Post by: Trim on December 15, 2017, 02:22:39 PM
Not interested.