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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: GregKSU1027 on December 10, 2017, 11:42:31 AM
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I was waiting for the total collapse of this team and it just so happens it happens at intrust again. Oscar can't face the media and tell them we just didn't play good basketball tonight. That was rough ridin awful. Two more games til we open conference play at Iowa State. Hope fully this blemishes Oscar's resume with @ADGT and our ball launching guards learn from this.
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When things aren't working in 2k from three you think I just keep jacking up threes? No I drive the lane every possession or set up a big to be successful.
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The thing that I absolutely hate about having these new Bigs is that it seems like they aren't trusted yet by Kam or BARRY enough. Mawien can shoot, he has nice footwork and can make his free throws. I just want some more of that action BOSS
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I have a feeling conference play will encourage these guys to pull their heads out of their nice snugly warm rectums. Diarra has talent, but he plays stunned, like he got blasted by a bull elephant fart or just got kicked in the hangdanglies. He had to cost us 6 points from turnovers.
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I have a feeling conference play will encourage these guys to pull their heads out of their nice snugly warm rectums. Diarra has talent, but he plays stunned, like he got blasted by a bull elephant fart or just got kicked in the hangdanglies. He had to cost us 6 points from turnovers.
Diarra is bound to crap himself. It runs in his jeans.
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When things aren't working in 2k from three you think I just keep jacking up threes? No I drive the lane every possession or set up a big to be successful.
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Driving is harder tho
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It's well documemted that our zone offense is horrific. I can't believe any team ever plays man against us.
Even burrito bill plays zone against us
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When things aren't working in 2k from three you think I just keep jacking up threes? No I drive the lane every possession or set up a big to be successful.
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shooters shoot. it's better for us in the long run.
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When things aren't working in 2k from three you think I just keep jacking up threes? No I drive the lane every possession or set up a big to be successful.
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shooters shoot. it's better for us in the long run.
And it's how they are going to play for the next two years.
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When things aren't working in 2k from three you think I just keep jacking up threes? No I drive the lane every possession or set up a big to be successful.
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shooters shoot. it's better for us in the long run.
Yeah, just wish we had some shooters.
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Live or die by the 3.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
100%.
They were open all night. It was bizarre how bad they shot it.
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good teams win, bad teams lose. how they accomplish those things is immaterial
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good teams win, bad teams lose. how they accomplish those things is immaterial
True.
And oscar will win enough to be a bubble team and likely sneak in because of the "strength" of the league.
It's what he does.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
100%.
They were open all night. It was bizarre how bad they shot it.
I agree they were good looks but if something isn't working, they could have even moved in to two pt range. Then shot closer jump shots.
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or run set plays to your big men oh wait
set plays
big men
oscar weber
lol
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oscar will win enough to be a bubble team and likely sneak in because of the "strength" of the league.
just looking at their stats so far - i don't see a ton of evidence to justify your faith. kstate's best feature is that they can put 4 or 5 credible shooters on the floor at the same time. but, their defense and rebounding have been poor against the better teams they've played.
is the big 12 really gonna get eight teams in? i'd bet money that the top 3 teams finish with fewer conference losses than kenpom is currently projecting (21).
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Not giving a crap is very liberating.
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Rebounding has been the biggest red flag so far. ASU seems to be a legit team and they needed every bit of their 30+ FTs to beat us.
That said, I have long thought that if we are going to have a chance to make a decent run in the NCAA, becoming a live/die by the 3 team is not a bad way to do it. So I actually like that shift this year. No question we died by the 3 against Tulsa though.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
100%.
They were open all night. It was bizarre how bad they shot it.
Yeah, it's a complete outlier. Unlikely to happen again. The real problem is boarding and impotence against the zone D.
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greg also does have a point. confidence in shooting is a real thing. but if they're good looks, bound to go on a hot streak and regain confidence.
rebounds is huge though. if giving up a rebound is like giving up a point which i think it checks out, we gave up 10 points last night. i like how 3's are moneyballing basketball right now to squeeze out a few points a game, but at the same time it'd make a bigger difference to grab a few extra rebounds.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
100%.
They were open all night. It was bizarre how bad they shot it.
What's mind numbing is the team has no other option to break the zone, not coached to.
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Rebounding has been the biggest red flag so far. ASU seems to be a legit team and they needed every bit of their 30+ FTs to beat us.
That said, I have long thought that if we are going to have a chance to make a decent run in the NCAA, becoming a live/die by the 3 team is not a bad way to do it. So I actually like that shift this year. No question we died by the 3 against Tulsa though.
We haven't shifted to it, as in oscar never relied on the 3 to win, now he is. The three has always been the vehicle that drives oscar's teams on the offensive end. We just have our most trusted, best scoring players on the perimeter and none in the post. If I'm Barry or Kam or Sneed, I'm hearing nothing of Weber if he starts interfering in their more free flowing perimeter approach. I suppose things can get better with some of these post guys, but the beginning of conference play could create a slight regression from where they are today. This team is bubble at best. I suppose for me, I'll enjoy seeing Barry develop more and let the wins and losses be what they are. This is a classic oscar team. They all have a timelessness to them I'm beginning to learn.
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I am impressed with the discussion of what might be right and what might be wrong with our team.
I am of the opinion that few teams can win by taking it inside against a packed in zone. You either hit some threes or you are in trouble. There is a reason players that can shoot from range are called zone busters. If you have a night like we did against Tulsa, the defense is going to pack it tighter and tighter. When Kam and Barry tried to drive the zone in the second half, they had to put up runners (Kam) or ended up charging.(Barry) Sneed and Claws got a couple of jumpers in the lane but were also missing some of those.
Another comment in this thread was the largest weakness of this team is rebounding and that is painfully obvious. When we go 4 for 31 from three, we need to figure out how to get more offensive boards. Maybe give up an occasional fast break in order to focus more on offensive boards.
Bottom line is if we shoot like that in more than a couple of Big 12 games we will not win enough to make the tournament. If we shoot like we did against ASU, we will end up in the top half of the conference.
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Greg, we have a good chance to win the next 4. Saturday, a win. WaSU should be a win. Iowa State 50/50 chance. Then the first Big 12 home game against Mountaineer Fats, last year we won at home. So, GregKSU sleep well and enjoy Christmas.
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Rebounding has been the biggest red flag so far. ASU seems to be a legit team and they needed every bit of their 30+ FTs to beat us.
That said, I have long thought that if we are going to have a chance to make a decent run in the NCAA, becoming a live/die by the 3 team is not a bad way to do it. So I actually like that shift this year. No question we died by the 3 against Tulsa though.
We haven't shifted to it, as in oscar never relied on the 3 to win, now he is. The three has always been the vehicle that drives oscar's teams on the offensive end. We just have our most trusted, best scoring players on the perimeter and none in the post. If I'm Barry or Kam or Sneed, I'm hearing nothing of Weber if he starts interfering in their more free flowing perimeter approach. I suppose things can get better with some of these post guys, but the beginning of conference play could create a slight regression from where they are today. This team is bubble at best. I suppose for me, I'll enjoy seeing Barry develop more and let the wins and losses be what they are. This is a classic oscar team. They all have a timelessness to them I'm beginning to learn.
Making 3s, having a high assist rate, and having a low TO rate are the 3 biggest factors on offense success during oscar's career as a P6 level coach.
A shooting night like vs Tulsa is something that usually happens under oscar, but it is a once or twice a season thing.
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Greg, we have a good chance to win the next 4. Saturday, a win. WaSU should be a win. Iowa State 50/50 chance. Then the first Big 12 home game against Mountaineer Fats, last year we won at home. So, GregKSU sleep well and enjoy Christmas.
I think we lose ISU.
West Virginia is a toss up
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we'll end the season on the bubble, how we get there is pretty immaterial
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I am impressed with the discussion of what might be right and what might be wrong with our team.
I am of the opinion that few teams can win by taking it inside against a packed in zone. You either hit some threes or you are in trouble. There is a reason players that can shoot from range are called zone busters. If you have a night like we did against Tulsa, the defense is going to pack it tighter and tighter. When Kam and Barry tried to drive the zone in the second half, they had to put up runners (Kam) or ended up charging.(Barry) Sneed and Claws got a couple of jumpers in the lane but were also missing some of those.
Another comment in this thread was the largest weakness of this team is rebounding and that is painfully obvious. When we go 4 for 31 from three, we need to figure out how to get more offensive boards. Maybe give up an occasional fast break in order to focus more on offensive boards.
Bottom line is if we shoot like that in more than a couple of Big 12 games we will not win enough to make the tournament. If we shoot like we did against ASU, we will end up in the top half of the conference.
I mean, hmmm
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I am impressed with the discussion of what might be right and what might be wrong with our team.
I am of the opinion that few teams can win by taking it inside against a packed in zone. You either hit some threes or you are in trouble. There is a reason players that can shoot from range are called zone busters. If you have a night like we did against Tulsa, the defense is going to pack it tighter and tighter. When Kam and Barry tried to drive the zone in the second half, they had to put up runners (Kam) or ended up charging.(Barry) Sneed and Claws got a couple of jumpers in the lane but were also missing some of those.
Another comment in this thread was the largest weakness of this team is rebounding and that is painfully obvious. When we go 4 for 31 from three, we need to figure out how to get more offensive boards. Maybe give up an occasional fast break in order to focus more on offensive boards.
Bottom line is if we shoot like that in more than a couple of Big 12 games we will not win enough to make the tournament. If we shoot like we did against ASU, we will end up in the top half of the conference.
I mean, hmmm
He's right.
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a) you’re a rough ridin' idiot
there is no b
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:lol:
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we'll end the season on the bubble, how we get there is pretty immaterial
A great reason to drink excessively during this season's games. We really do need the "road" W at Wazzu. Conference RPI is great, so we've got a chance to improve on our pretty awful current RPI as the season progresses.
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a) you’re a rough ridin' idiot
there is no b
b) Throwing out an insult instead of discussing my opinion always makes me feel bigger.
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a) you’re a rough ridin' idiot
there is no b
b) Throwing out an insult instead of discussing my opinion always makes me feel bigger.
your mom makes me feel bigger
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Oklahoma is going to blow up the prediction for this year. 60% winning could put us in the higher echelons. We have the talent,.but I am weary of the ability of our coaches to get the maximum out of them, especially in close games. There will be a lot of close games in the Big 12 this year.
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I am weary of our coaches
Me too.
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a) you’re a rough ridin' idiot
there is no b
b) Throwing out an insult instead of discussing my opinion always makes me feel bigger.
your mom makes me feel bigger
:lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
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Greg. At 3.5 minutes left and the Mawien bonehead 3 attempt, I was ready for the Oscar swoon and post game excuses. But, but, but ..... we got some grit, a bur up our butts, hustle, and won the game. Maybe meltdowns are not now the norm.
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Greg. At 3.5 minutes left and the Mawien bonehead 3 attempt, I was ready for the Oscar swoon and post game excuses. But, but, but ..... we got some grit, a bur up our butts, hustle, and won the game. Maybe meltdowns are not now the norm.
Oh man it's the Flush's team guys
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Greg. At 3.5 minutes left and the Mawien bonehead 3 attempt, I was ready for the Oscar swoon and post game excuses. But, but, but ..... we got some grit, a bur up our butts, hustle, and won the game. Maybe meltdowns are not now the norm.
Oh man it's the Flush's team guys
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Sort of reminded me of how Pullen would not give up. In the Wyatt post game chat Brown said he wanted to win the game. Brown did not want a repeat of Tulsa. The following from the Associated Press:
"SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The Flush Jr. seemed to do everything for Kansas State when the game against Washington State was on the line.
Brown scored the last six points during a 10-0 run in the closing minutes that lifted Kansas State to a 68-65 come-from-behind victory over the Cougars on Wednesday night at the Spokane Arena.
Brown finished with 23 points and six rebounds. Makol Mawien added 15 points and nine boards for Kansas State (10-2), which has won six of its past seven games."
If Sneed would have not had the bad night he had ....... wow.
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Well, Brown was very " Fred Peete in Casper, WY"ish.
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Oklahoma is going to blow up the prediction for this year. 60% winning could put us in the higher echelons. We have the talent,.but I am weary of the ability of our coaches to get the maximum out of them, especially in close games. There will be a lot of close games in the Big 12 this year.
I am bold enough to predict OU will win the league if Trae Young stays healthy. You need to go to the Doomit and see a budding superstar. OU was not supposed to be good. Bad news for us.
"Young is now averaging 28.7 points and 10.4 assists on the season. He leads the nation in both categories. And when you consider no freshman has ever led the nation in points and assists, it's not ridiculous, in fact it's accurate, to suggest we're watching Young do things nobody his age has ever done in this sport." CBS sports
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I have friends that go to WSU and will driving up with me to MHK to sit in ICAT with me for West Virginia to watch real basketball. I told them about OU when they came to town and they did not believe me. Let's just say they are believers, and that they think that nothing can stop Trae Young.
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a) you’re a rough ridin' idiot
there is no b
b) Throwing out an insult instead of discussing my opinion always makes me feel bigger.
your mom makes me feel bigger
:lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol:)
I hadn't heard that come back since high school. I am really impressed.
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your face is really impressed
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Greg, I can see us winning the first 5 conference games. Yes this includes a win at Kaw Field House. Then getting tortured by OU and TCU. How we then do at Baylor and at home against KU will determine if we have our regular swoon and start hollering for Oscars head. I think it is time for change even if we kind of do okay. Why? Attendance is pitiful. No enthusiasm for basketball. No hope of getting better on the horizon with no hot prospects in the pipeline. It all gets back to recruiting. In 2 years, we won't happen much of anything. Taylor owes a chance for good sustainable basketball. Weber is a stop gap.
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We will not win at Lawrence.
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We will not win at Lawrence.
You are likely right. I give it 30% of happening wire the shortage of KU players. The activation of KU Sousa will make things tougher. With love coming back, we hAve 25 fouls to throw at him and Abizukee.
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stunted's right. 4-31 isn't gonna happen very often and you can't just tell players to stop shooting threes against a freaking zone giving you threes.
100%.
They were open all night. It was bizarre how bad they shot it.
What's mind numbing is the team has no other option to break the zone, not coached to.
God, I loved playing against zones in high school. I would jack so many 3's.