Post by: renocat on December 08, 2017, 07:23:48 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 08, 2017, 09:38:06 PM
Post by: renocat on December 08, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
sorry reno, basketball stopped being fun about 5 years agoI understand. Out here in the hinterlands of Kansas, there is not much entertainment. I like basketball, but HS level does not turn my crank. So I root for the Cats. Try to make it fun as we probably will swoon about mid season. It is kind of fun in the spring having cussing fits in the garage over Oscar. Cats really don't appreciate these fits. Renodog use to get all concerned and try to console me. I still think my Jayhawk neighbor ran him over.
Post by: renocat on December 09, 2017, 06:48:42 AM
"The teams are similar offensively. Kansas State is averaging 78.9 points and Tulsa is averaging 79.3. The difference is on defense. Kansas State is among the nation's leaders while holding opponents to 61 points per game, Tulsa is giving up 77 per game. Neither team is a great rebounding team, with K-State at 32 per game and Tulsa at 37.
Kansas State is led by Deathbite at 15.3 points per game. The Flush is averaging 14.8, and Claws is averaging 13 while leading the team in rebounding at 6.7 per outing. Xavier Sneed is averaging 11 per game. K-State is averaging eight steals against 11 turnovers per game. Stokes has made 25 3-pointers and is shooting 50 percent from there.
Junior Etou leads Tulsa with 16.8 points and 6.4 rebounds. Sterling Taplin is averaging 13.4 and DaQuan Jeffries is averaging 11.4. Tulsa is shooting 47 percent overall and 34 from behind the arc. Tulsa is averaging four steals per game and 14 turnovers.
Read more at https://freepicks.picksandparlays.net/more-free-picks/college-basketball-picks/tulsa-at-kansas-state-12917-ncaa-basketball-picks-and-predictions/#p2SWFBIZFXMAzVvG.99
Post by: kso_FAN on December 09, 2017, 11:34:18 AM
(https://image.ibb.co/kXE2Zb/KState_vs_Tulsa.png)
Post by: kstater on December 09, 2017, 09:00:06 PM
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Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2017, 09:01:16 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 09, 2017, 09:02:54 PM
I suppose any team could go four-for-thirty from three on a given night, but that's the worst rebounding K-State team I've ever seen night in night out.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on December 09, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
Post by: 8manpick on December 09, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 09, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 09, 2017, 09:07:11 PM
Post by: fun muffin on December 09, 2017, 09:09:43 PM
Post by: renocat on December 09, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 09, 2017, 09:16:34 PM
Post by: mocat on December 09, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Post by: HELLHAMMER on December 09, 2017, 09:24:26 PM
This was not good in total. Sneed and Wade okay. 5 spot was atrocious. Oscar I am convinced can't coach big men.Damn Reno, you're just figuring this crap out?
Post by: BostonPancake on December 09, 2017, 09:29:04 PM
Sigh.
Post by: kearneymen on December 09, 2017, 09:39:21 PM
If everyone stays and develops 2018 could be pretty good, then we'll be back to missing the NCAA tournament and hearing 'Well, we've got a young team this year.'
Post by: slackcat on December 09, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 09, 2017, 10:00:35 PM
I feel like KSU is stuck in basketball purgatory... look ok, drop a game to a team like Tulsa, look decent, drop a bad conference game then beat an awesome B12 team, squeak into the NCAA tournament, get knocked out early and then tell ourselves that it's been a good year.
If everyone stays and develops 2018 could be pretty good, then we'll be back to missing the NCAA tournament and hearing 'Well, we've got a young team this year.'
The way this team rebounds, or rather doesn't rebound, it's going to get piss-pounded in conference. I don't see a NCAA bid this year.
Post by: everyone shut up on December 09, 2017, 10:05:15 PM
Post by: The Big Train on December 09, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Yeah guys get all the facts from just watching the game before you say something based on legit stats8-1 dipshit
We started last year 7-1 and 5-1 the year before.
Well would you look at that, we haven’t just lost to a top 15 team anymore. Who could have predicted after the 8-1 start we had that we would lose to a dog crap team? Anybody? Anybody?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 09, 2017, 10:51:57 PM
Post by: Powercat Posse on December 09, 2017, 11:15:24 PM
2) We made 4 3pt shots. Dean made a 12 & 14 foot jumper. Barry made 15 foot jumper. We missed our other 33 shots from 10 feet and out.
3) Cartier was useless in his 10 minutes. Missed 2 3s, one an airball. For the most part, stood 25 feet from goal and passed to the next man. He looked like a power forward playing 5 feet behind the arc
4) we made 1 of our last 20 3PT attempts. ONE.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 09, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2017, 11:55:59 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 10, 2017, 12:04:12 AM
So did we win?Almost, just a shot here or there away.
Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2017, 12:06:29 AM
Cool I hope the team had funSo did we win?Almost, just a shot here or there away.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 10, 2017, 12:43:35 AM
So did we win?
Our guys were too ready
Post by: stunted on December 10, 2017, 01:04:07 AM
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 10, 2017, 01:30:33 AM
Post by: Powercat Posse on December 10, 2017, 01:36:58 AM
So did we win?
Well when you miss 25 of your last 27 jumpshots, it's pretty tough to win. That's what we did the last 28 minutes. 1-18 on 3pt, 1-7 on 2pt shots of 10+ feet
In that same time span, we were 9-12 on FGs inside 10 feet. Actually we were 9-10, then Barry missed 5 footer from baseline & Sneed missed 8-9 foot bank shot with under a minute.
Post by: bones129 on December 10, 2017, 01:54:58 AM
This was not good in total. Sneed and Wade okay. 5 spot was atrocious. Oscar I am convinced can't coachbig men.
FYP
Post by: pvegs on December 10, 2017, 02:29:54 AM
Post by: The Whale on December 10, 2017, 07:40:13 AM
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Post by: Belvis Noland on December 10, 2017, 07:48:56 AM
Zero inside presence on offense at all.
Who could have possibly predicted this would be an issue?
Post by: Joker on December 10, 2017, 07:52:47 AM
Post by: slackcat on December 10, 2017, 07:57:40 AM
I sat 10 feet from Oscar tonight and it was pretty great, he has names for his plays like FLORIDA! And then later yells CROSSBOW! while Tulsa is driving the Rim on the other side of the court :lol:
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Post by: Joker on December 10, 2017, 08:17:29 AM
37 min, 2 pts, 3 reb, 4 TO
Post by: XocolateThundarr on December 10, 2017, 08:18:19 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 10, 2017, 08:29:44 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on December 10, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
Post by: schreds21 on December 10, 2017, 08:32:23 AM
Post by: slackcat on December 10, 2017, 08:41:48 AM
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One good question about this team is how they will respond to this setback. If they curl up and die (as some posters would have them do), then they are not a good team. If they resolve to improve and do so, then they can become a good team. They have 21 regular season games to go. It's all in the future, not the past.
Good God, never oscar's fault :lol:
Post by: mocat on December 10, 2017, 09:04:31 AM
Can't wait for Wacky and Hating Francis to come tell us how much fun they had watching this shitshow and what a great coach oscar is.I dont think it's true that we lost to Tulsa but even if it is, still better than Frank
Post by: kso_FAN on December 10, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
(https://image.ibb.co/kcHtqG/12_9_17_ADV_Stats_vs_Tulsa.png)
(https://image.ibb.co/mHp6AG/12_9_17_Ind_Stats_vs_Tulsa.png)
Also, I won't give Haith or Tulsa's defense that much credit. Their zones were fine, but they gave up a ton of open shots. We didn't take a ton of terrible or forced shots. Maybe the worst ones were Sneed's 4th-6th shots or so because he went in heat check mode after hitting his first 2. But really, Haith played the 3PT lottery and won more than Tulsa shut us done.
Granted, you can counter by hitting the offensive glass and getting inside the zone. We did the latter some, but the former none at all. The fact that we didn't even try to oboard by sending 3-4 guys to the offensive glass is the most frustrating part of this loss to me.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 10, 2017, 11:01:56 AM
I sat 10 feet from Oscar tonight and it was pretty great, he has names for his plays like FLORIDA! And then later yells CROSSBOW! while Tulsa is driving the Rim on the other side of the court :lol:
That sounds pretty amazing
Post by: EMAWzifried on December 10, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 10, 2017, 11:41:37 AM
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 10, 2017, 11:50:13 AM
My favorite part was the exbruces... Just too ready to play.Yeah I lost my crap over this. If you are ready to come in demolish then you win with force!
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Post by: renocat on December 10, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 10, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
A good friend who I go to Church with was at the, and it was expressed the guys were disjointed and did not play any tream schemes. I remember reading recently that Oscar want to use an offense like the NBA Warriors, a poke and prod approach. Poke and prod the defense until you get a good shot. My friend said they got shots but could not make them. To bad Weber does not have a Plan B for nights like these. A true point guard could help.
Also a coach who isn't Oscar could help.
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2017, 09:44:19 AM
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Post by: renocat on December 11, 2017, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: catastrophe on December 11, 2017, 01:08:18 PM
Does the openess of a large arena effect College 3 pt. shooters? KU had troubles too at Sprint.
This was a topic of discussion when they held the FF at ATT / Cowboys Stadium in Dallas. Certainly seemed to have an effect.
Post by: Powercat Posse on December 11, 2017, 05:15:14 PM
I didn't really want 14 3PA in the 2nd half after a 3-17 1st half, but i was more upset that we didn't try harder to get shots in the paint or inside of 8-10 feet. Especially after getting 4 2pt makes the first 4 minutes after the break
Also attacking the zone can lead to FTAs. We have been a good FT shooting team of late. 14-17 from the line on Saturday. And with 2 minutes left, we were 11-14 on FGs inside 10 feet. Both successful percentages
But as FAN pointed out, the effort on the O-boards was bad, and just lazy. 38 missed FGAs, just 7 ORs and 5 2nd chance pts isn't getting it done. Late in the game, we had missed 24 3PTA and gotten an OR on 4 of them. Against a Zone D, that's a poor effort
Post by: cat97 on December 11, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
We took 31 3PT shots. I also tend to believe that most of them were not forced or guarded tries.
I didn't really want 14 3PA in the 2nd half after a 3-17 1st half, but i was more upset that we didn't try harder to get shots in the paint or inside of 8-10 feet. Especially after getting 4 2pt makes the first 4 minutes after the break
Also attacking the zone can lead to FTAs. We have been a good FT shooting team of late. 14-17 from the line on Saturday. And with 2 minutes left, we were 11-14 on FGs inside 10 feet. Both successful percentages
But as FAN pointed out, the effort on the O-boards was bad, and just lazy. 38 missed FGAs, just 7 ORs and 5 2nd chance pts isn't getting it done. Late in the game, we had missed 24 3PTA and gotten an OR on 4 of them. Against a Zone D, that's a poor effort
Good comments on the offensive rebounding. We need to improve there. I think we need at least three guys to crash the offensive boards even at the risk of a few fast break points against us. First though, we need to teach them what crash means. In other words, work just as hard to get to the weak side and get position as a shot is being taken as you do before a shot when you think you might receive a pass.
Post by: renocat on December 11, 2017, 07:33:23 PM