Post by: steve dave on November 17, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
Post by: CHONGS on November 17, 2017, 07:33:55 PM
We're a Christmas lights family for the first time this year. I've resisted for so long but 4 year old lil sd basically put his foot down.We'll need to see pix of course to prove that you're not letting li'l sd down.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on November 17, 2017, 07:40:44 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 17, 2017, 07:44:42 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 17, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Spend the extra money on led LED lights.
Post by: steve dave on November 17, 2017, 08:01:11 PM
Post by: kslim on November 17, 2017, 08:05:06 PM
Post by: The Big Train on November 17, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on November 17, 2017, 08:15:45 PM
went with the bright white instead of the warm white. pretty intense. maybe made a mistake.
Warm white is superior, bright white should really only be used in kitchens or bathrooms (just in general).
Post by: star seed 7 on November 17, 2017, 08:19:53 PM
Post by: 8manpick on November 17, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
I'll probably put mine up tomorrow before the Cats play.I hope you do the right thing and wait for Dec 1 to turn them on
Spend the extra money on led LED lights.
Post by: bones129 on November 17, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 17, 2017, 11:38:24 PM
I'll probably put mine up tomorrow before the Cats play.I hope you do the right thing and wait for Dec 1 to turn them on
Spend the extra money on led LED lights.
After Thanksgiving, but yeah.
Post by: mocat on November 18, 2017, 08:45:09 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 18, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
Was going to decorate in the warm weather today but forty mile per hour wind gusts aren't my thing.
Yep. Just I'll just have to stay inside and watch football.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on November 18, 2017, 12:45:55 PM
Post by: bucket on November 18, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
I pay a guy a few hundred bucks to put up, take down, and store our lights every year.
the ones we just got are $450 a year for that. am I getting ripped off or what?
Post by: mocat on November 18, 2017, 01:41:41 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 02:07:27 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2017, 02:08:25 PM
I'm something of a Christmas light expert. I buy the commercial grade stuff. Pays for itself in the long run. AMA.
do you want to ring the doorbell of the house in the neighborhood with all the inflatable crap and punch the owner in the face for lowering your property value?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 02:12:11 PM
I'm something of a Christmas light expert. I buy the commercial grade stuff. Pays for itself in the long run. AMA.
do you want to ring the doorbell of the house in the neighborhood with all the inflatable crap and punch the owner in the face for lowering your property value?
Nah to each his own. Most of the homeowners in my neighborhood don't even decorate for Christmas. It's kinda sad. If you want to have more inflatables than a used car lot, more power to you.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 02:15:31 PM
I pay a guy a few hundred bucks to put up, take down, and store our lights every year.
the ones we just got are $450 a year for that. am I getting ripped off or what?
Depends upon how many feet and what your time and safety is worth to you. I've put about $750 into my lights but that's for over 500 feet plus some trees. And I'm going on year 5. So if you buy the good stuff - not the crap at the big box stores - the price comes down over time. And you get more bang for your buck.
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2017, 02:18:36 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2017, 02:23:57 PM
I think kdub is saying he spent 750 on lights not 750 on some dudes putting them up
I know
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 02:26:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 02:27:28 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 02:34:34 PM
Where does a person buy commercial quality Christmas lights?
eBay. Lots of places online. The key is to buy your bulbs separated from your wire (stringers). A commercial will have 3-5 leds per bulb and be way brighter and more durable than the cheap single-led crap at the stores. Plus the bulbs are interchangeable for replacement, color patterns, etc. By buying a spool of empty stringer, you cut it exactly to the lengths you need. Plugs clip onto the ends and you can even even add midline female plugs to branch off to do a window or something. I run my entire display off one outlet.
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
Where does a person buy commercial quality Christmas lights?
eBay. Lots of places online. The key is to buy your bulbs separated from your wire (stringers). A commercial will have 3-5 leds per bulb and be way brighter and more durable than the cheap single-led crap at the stores. Plus the bulbs are interchangeable for replacement, color patterns, etc. By buying a spool of empty stringer, you cut it exactly to the lengths you need. Plugs clip onto the ends and you can even even add midline female plugs to branch off to do a window or something. I run my entire display off one outlet.
LEDs are the crap because of this.
Post by: everyone shut up on November 18, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
Post by: Joker on November 18, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Where does a person buy commercial quality Christmas lights?
eBay. Lots of places online. The key is to buy your bulbs separated from your wire (stringers). A commercial will have 3-5 leds per bulb and be way brighter and more durable than the cheap single-led crap at the stores. Plus the bulbs are interchangeable for replacement, color patterns, etc. By buying a spool of empty stringer, you cut it exactly to the lengths you need. Plugs clip onto the ends and you can even even add midline female plugs to branch off to do a window or something. I run my entire display off one outlet.
This is some Clark Griswold level crap.
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2017, 09:14:17 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 18, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 18, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
Post by: _33 on November 19, 2017, 08:14:12 AM
Post by: Joker on November 19, 2017, 11:02:53 AM
Went with the lights that just shine on your house this year. You know, the ones that you just point toward your house and then they move around or whatever. It looks terrible but at least I didn't have to get out the ladder and stuff.
I pitched this idea last year but the Mrs. shot it down.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 19, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Finished the display yesterday and fired them up. Thanksgiving evening is our traditional lighting ceremony but too many other houses in the neighborhood broke the embargo.
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Post by: steve dave on November 19, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 19, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
Nothing like the joy of putting up lights on a pleasant afternoon while listening to the Chiefs blow a game to one of the worst teams in football. :D
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Post by: Joker on November 19, 2017, 04:41:18 PM
I put up my Christmas tree today and I'm pretty much done. Took 3 or 4 minutes total.
Already with the tree? Man, let Thanksgiving have its turn.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
I put up my Christmas tree today and I'm pretty much done. Took 3 or 4 minutes total.
Already with the tree? Man, let Thanksgiving have its turn.
Going out of town for Thanksgiving, so the tree got done today.
Post by: catastrophe on November 19, 2017, 10:03:31 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
Decorating fopaux: people who wrap their trees with green lights on the trunk and white lights on the branches. Why do people think the trunk should be green?
Post by: hatingfrancisco on November 20, 2017, 07:56:13 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2017, 07:58:33 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2017, 08:34:24 AM
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 09:01:15 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 09:08:20 AM
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Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on November 20, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
My neighborhood is pretty sad, too. Still way too many old people. I'd say 2/3 do nothing. A few use pros and you can always tell because they are very clean lines but also very minimal - typically just the eaves but no windows. They also often cut corners and go with colder LEDs. Then you've got the inflatables, which are a poor subsititute but way easier than lights. At least they're doing something. Me and a few others go all out.
Decorating fopaux: people who wrap their trees with green lights on the trunk and white lights on the branches. Why do people think the trunk should be green?
spelling faux pas
wellll...they don't make brown lights, so that's the first stumbling block.
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2017, 12:23:24 PM
Why do people think the trunk should be green?
Been asking this for years.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 01:08:23 PM
wellll...they don't make brown lights, so that's the first stumbling block.
Well yeah, but green? If anything, wouldn't you use green for the leaves instead?
I used to go through the time and frustration of trying to wrap all the major branches of my little trees. Gave that up and switched to the spiral. Pro tip on trees: Unless you're going to go to the effort of individually wrapping all the 1+ inch branches, you're going to waste a LOT of time and lights on a result that doesn't look that great. Just spiraling around the branches can look really classy if you do it fairly evenly, not to mention way faster and easier. And NEVER just do a trunk - that's ghetto city.
I really need to create a tutorial on all this stuff.
Post by: Institutional Control on November 20, 2017, 01:10:01 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 02:38:42 PM
First thing you've got to decide is how big to go with your display. My first suggestion is don't half-ass this. Focus on an area and do it well. We're going to start with the house. Think if this as your aerial assault before the ground incursion. If you've got a two-story house and you only do the lower level, it's gonna look half-ass. Plan on hitting every major window, door, garage door, and roof line. this might require an extension ladder. They're easy to find used on Craigslist and store easily by hanging from your garage wall or ceiling.
Next, the lights. LED is really the only way to go at this point. Too many advantages over incandescent. More durable, longer lasting, and way less energy consumption, which saves on utilities and also makes it way easier to connect large displays.
The two main bulb sizes for house decoration are C7 or C9. Like buying a TV, you won't ever regret going bigger. C7 is ok for small homes pretty close to the street, but for anything else C9s are the way to go. (Note, you can also go with the dangly icicle light direction, or other specialty bulbs, but that is not my preferred look so it is outside this tutorial).
You need to understand that LEDs are directional. This is important! Unlike incandescent, which cast an even glow, LEDs are much brighter when viewed head-on than from the side. This means that (1) you'll want bulbs designed to diffuse the light as much as possible to create more of a multi-directional glow, and (2) you'll want to orient the bulbs so they point outward toward the street - not up towards the sky or down towards the ground (this will be important when we discuss fasteners later on)!
See these bulbs? The pinecone texture helps diffuse the light. This is what you want.
(https://www.1000bulbs.com/images/categories/4110.jpg)
When buying lights, don't buy the crap at the big box stores which come pre-wired in set lengths. Those bulbs are cheaper, dimmer (only 1 LED), and often can't be replaced. A good LED bulb has at least 3 LEDs. So when you shop LED Christmas Lights, search for "LED Replacement Bulbs." That will get you to the right stores. These bulbs screw into the same stringers that the old incandescents used. These babies retail for around $1 per bulb, but you can sometimes find them cheaper on eBay. Make sure to buy all your bulbs from the same manufacturer because LED color can vary significantly!
Regarding white, you can buy "warm white" of "cool white," but there is only one choice here. Warm white. If you are even considering the bluish "cool white" bulbs, get the eff out of my tutorial.
You can also choose between non-dimmable and more expensive dimmable LED bulbs. You only need dimmable if you plan to set your lights to music and do fade effects, etc. That's beyond this tutorial. I stick with the non-dimmable.
In the next entry, we're gonna talk stringers.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 02:52:07 PM
First, do an estimate of how many feet you'll need to line your house, and then order a spool. Search for "C7 or C9 stringer." Comes in green or white.
(https://www.1000bulbs.com/images/categories/4905.jpg)
White is way better for the house as it blends much better to trim. Green is better for yard.
Your spool might come with one male plug on one end, but you're going to cut this spool up into different sections for each roofline and window. No more stuffing away the sockets of half an unused stringer. You're doing this like a pro. So, once you cut up your spool (regular wire snips are all you need), you need some male and female plugs. The same stores that sell the sringers sell the plugs. They are cheap and easily snap onto the ends.
(https://www.1000bulbs.com/images/categories/5047.jpg)
You obviously need a male plug for each line. You do not need a female plug on the other end! (Just wrap the other end in duct tape to cap it off).
Another trick is that you can buy female plugs and snap them into the middle of a run. This allows easy branching off from a roof line strand to decorate a window.
Alright, so now you've got your lights and your perfectly cut stringers. Because you bought your lights separate, you can either go all one color or create different patterns, whatever you want to do.
Next we'll talk about fasteners.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
For roof lines where singles come to the eaves, shingle tabs are the way to go. See how the light points out? These puppies slide under your shingles.
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For gutters, standard gutter clips work great. Again, make sure the clip can point the bulb outward.
(https://cdn.christmaslightsetc.com/images/CategoryDetail/41075/omni-all-in-one-gutter-clip-c7-c9-7253.jpg)
Note that these plastic clips will become brittle after a few seasons and might need to be replaced, but they're super cheap and usually come in boxes of 100.
For windows and other vertical surfaces, sometimes the best solution is a good old staple gun. if you are dealing with vinyl or metal surface where staples are not appropriate, transparent duct tape is a messier but decent solution. There are lots of other solutions advertised, but they usually don't do a good job of holding the lights in a straight line pointed outward!
Finally, I know we've been focusing on the house, but let's not neglect the ground. A nice line of ground stakes can really set off the contours of your driveway, path, or landscaping beds.
(https://cdn.christmaslightsetc.com/images/ProductCloseup/27817/7.5-inch-all-in-one-light-stake-913.jpg)
In the next installment, let's talk trees and landscaping.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 03:19:45 PM
Let's get one of the thorniest topics out of the way right at the outset. Net lighting. Is it trashy? Not if it used right. Don't ever use it in trees, or on your house (yes, I've seen it there), or spread out on your lawn (I've seen it there, too). But if you lay it over bushes it can achieve a nice effect.
For trees, don't just wrap the trunks. This may be the most common and trashiest mistake of a novice decorator. The second most common mistake is wrapping a couple of branches and then giving up because wrapping branches is a massive pain in the ass. Wrapping branches, like marriage, is a serious commitment not to be taken lightly. Either be prepared to go all in, wrapping every major and mid-major branch (anything over an inch in a small tree) in their entirety, or don't eff with this.
There is no shame in doing a spiral around the tree. Just don't throw some crap up there. Try to keep the lines evenly spaced as you go up and around.
Getting the right lights will help, to an extent. The stubby LED mini lights help avoid snags when decorating trees.
(https://www.1000bulbs.com/images/categories/5801.jpg)
And don't forget putting more of your house's C7s or C9s on ground stakes to line your landscaping. Really completes your gingerbread house look.
In the final installment, we're going to cover a few more odds and ends.
Post by: Gooch on November 20, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Side note: My idiot neighbor next door has had a tree up for 3 weeks now.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 03:24:33 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 20, 2017, 03:26:39 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
I have a super steep pitch and no ladder to get up that high. And my wife would laugh super hard if I paid someone to hang Christmas lights
I have one of these bad boys. I highly recommend if you are any sort of handyman.
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/096764/096764140175.jpg)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
First, the first year you make this investment takes way more time than subsequent years because of all the planning. After that, it's way easier if you make a map of what you did in year 1. This is easy to do. Take a picture of the front of your house, then fade that picture on your computer (increase brightness) so you can easily draw on top of it. Print this out. Next, draw you lines and number them. Place a corresponding tag on your light strings (duct tape works well). Include any other notes (like locating extension cords, etc.) to make it easy to recreate or fix mistakes next year. You will forget.
Next, storage. Don't fold up your lights or otherwise shove them in a bin. For your house lights, get yourself a nice big spool. You can find free, empty spools being discarded at the big box stores - just call around and check with electrical. Then, you can roll up all your lights on the spool and hang it from the top of your garage. Makes storage a breeze and no more tangles!
For your tree lights, roll them up around your hand (not your arm) into tight little balls as you remove them. Believe it or not, they will easily unroll next year. As long as you roll them into tight little coils, you can stack these in a box and they won't get tangled up.
Ok, I think that covers all the basics.
Post by: IPA4Me on November 20, 2017, 03:30:11 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 20, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
I have one but I think it only goes about 13ft or so.. high enough for me to reach the gutters at leastI have a super steep pitch and no ladder to get up that high. And my wife would laugh super hard if I paid someone to hang Christmas lights
I have one of these bad boys. I highly recommend if you are any sort of handyman.
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Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2017, 03:44:50 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 04:09:36 PM
Stapling the trim around the windows seems like it would be hard on the paint. Do you not have issues with that?
A little. It does leave little holes in the paint. But I just haven't come across a better, less invasive solution to keep the lines straight around windows and doors.
Post by: Trim on November 20, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
A couple of assholes in my new hood went WAY overboard on Halloween decorations. I'm afraid to see what crap they roll out for Christmas.
Side note: My idiot neighbor next door has had a tree up for 3 weeks now.
I'm certain I've been less affected by neighbors in any of my relatively small setups than you are there. Flip that thing and go find a condo. Or rent it to a family of 6 and rent my old place there for yourselves.
Post by: Joker on November 20, 2017, 08:01:35 PM
Any tips for tackling gutter guards?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 20, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
Gutter guard would be tricky. I wonder if google has an answer for that.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 21, 2017, 07:15:26 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2017, 09:02:37 AM
my in-law's family tradition is to get a tree on Christmas Eve and sneak it in and decorate it while the kids sleep, while you booze which is both cheap and not overly onerous and so we will just do that for now. Our oldest will 100% be the type of kid that will spoil all the myths after being told about them at recess, so I am bracing for being drawn in to an unwinnable war by my wife to fight back against this for the sake of the younger two. So I look forward to that unwinnable war and the day I actually have to read all the long posts by KSUW in this thread.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2017, 09:05:17 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on November 21, 2017, 09:08:53 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 21, 2017, 09:17:29 AM
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2017, 09:18:24 AM
What an interesting tradition
They claim it is German, but I think it was mostly to save money on Christmas trees.
Post by: Joker on November 21, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
What an interesting tradition
They claim it is German, but I think it was mostly to save money on Christmas trees.
I think this is a brilliant idea. The less time you have a giant, glowing tree in your living room, the better.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 21, 2017, 09:25:34 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 21, 2017, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2017, 09:49:23 AM
Post by: Joker on November 21, 2017, 09:55:53 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 21, 2017, 10:12:31 AM
I thought it was the Christmas pickle that zee germans did?What an interesting tradition
They claim it is German, but I think it was mostly to save money on Christmas trees.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2017, 10:17:31 AM
I thought it was the Christmas pickle that zee germans did?What an interesting tradition
They claim it is German, but I think it was mostly to save money on Christmas trees.
They do that too
Post by: Kat Kid on November 21, 2017, 10:17:53 AM
How much money do you save doing that kk?
Pretty significant I think.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 21, 2017, 11:05:38 AM
costco sells live trees. when you are there loading up on the booze just grab a tree and a slice of delicious pizza
Yup. So do Lowes and Home Depot. Menards' selection kinda sucked last year. Just like with pumpkins, the Kansas tree farms grow some of their own stuff (Scotch and maybe Austrian pines) but the good stuff has to be shipped in from up north because it's too expensive to irrigate firs down here. I miss the tradition of cutting down our own tree, but the firs are too superior to pass up. We'll buy from one of the stores.
Post by: catastrophe on November 21, 2017, 11:16:39 AM
Wreath on the door. Garland on the porch columns. That's about my limit. I take the Spartan approach to decor.
This plus icicle lights over the porch & enough to wrap the bushes in front of our house. Looks cheerful yet tasteful IMO.
Post by: catastrophe on November 21, 2017, 11:20:13 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 21, 2017, 01:54:20 PM
I gave up on live trees long ago. They are a falling, shedding, sapping, and allergy hazard and can all burn as far as I care.
Artificial trees are sad. And a far bigger allergy hazard for most people because they usually aren't cleaned regularly. Have you ever tried a fir? So much better than pine. Might make you switch back.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2017, 02:24:26 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2017, 09:29:47 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 01, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2017, 09:50:31 AM
For anyone who has those stupid inflatables in your yard for Christmas decor, I just want you to know that it looks like you have a bunch of trash in your yard during the day time when they are not inflated.
and a bunch of trash inside your house when they are inflated
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
Anyone buying a tree? We were going to get one this week, but then realized we'll be gone for a week on vacation and it's going to need watered. You don't ask a friend or family member to come over and water your tree for you, do you? Can't you get shot for something petty like that?
https://www.amazon.com/New-2016-Santas-Secret-Gift/dp/B01MXFDL0K/ref=sr_1_5?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1512143513&sr=1-5&keywords=christmas+tree+watering+system
Post by: Joker on December 01, 2017, 09:58:19 AM
https://twitter.com/kmbc/status/935551900988014592
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 01, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 01, 2017, 10:25:02 AM
For anyone who has those stupid inflatables in your yard for Christmas decor, I just want you to know that it looks like you have a bunch of trash in your yard during the day time when they are not inflated.
and a bunch of trash inside your house when they are inflated
:lol: :thumbs:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 01, 2017, 10:26:53 AM
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on December 01, 2017, 11:08:20 AM
My sources tell me there is a nationwide shortage of fraser firs. I'm just gonna have to suck it up and fork over the cash. I am not getting one of those scraggly sappy prickly scotch pines they grow in Kansas.
We always get a Fraser. This years 10-12 tree at HD was $89, which was cheaper than last year IIRC. I couple of years ago it cost me $115.
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Post by: Trim on December 11, 2017, 08:38:13 PM
those are dongs!
All I see are starships.
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