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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on November 12, 2017, 10:56:55 AM
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He was going to come once. If we threw a ridiculous amount of money at him, would he come a second time?
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He was going to come once. If we threw a ridiculous amount of money at him, would he come a second time?
I think its too late for that. He's got a really good situation and is making over $5 mil at TCU now.
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Do not want
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after last night id take chip kelly but want venzy obviously
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Gary and Oscar would be the GOAT 1-2 punch of raspy-voiced coaches at the same school. There would be no offseason from vocal nodules.
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Gary is a fantasy I imagine. It was different when he was coaching outside of the power 5.
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I'd rather have Smoke Patterson than gross weirdo, Sweaty Gary. Smoke would be awesome.
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Patterson would not be worth the massive amount of money we'd have to spend to get him. I would not be disappointed to get him, but there are at least 20 coaches I would be more excited about.
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Yea who would want a guy that waltzed into this conference and snagged a championship, had multiple top 10 teams, a sustained history of quality teams, and as a little bonus is a k-state alum.
Anybody who would be disjointed with Patterson is setting themselves up for heartbreak. Unless we get Venz, nobody else will compare. And Brent might not either
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Three very good years, two decent ones, and one awful one. They are a lot like us with better marketing and without the current dysfunction, although they had it last year.
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Three very good years, two decent ones, and one awful one. They are a lot like us with better marketing and without the current dysfunction, although they had it last year.
Even if you disregard the fact they came into this conference from a lesser position, that's still power good. I'd happily sign up for 15ish more years of solid to really good football.
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I don't see GP leaving TCU at this point, since he is already in a P5 conference.
The one I would be willing to give a chance is Neal Brown, Troy's HC.
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GP would be a homerun.
And I think we would have a decent chance if we pursued him.
It’s gotta get old for him playing in front of half-empty, disinterested crowds.
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HOME....RUN. And i agree i think we have a shot. It's been long enough since "It's Patterson" and his support there is abysmal. I'd prefer GP to any assistant coach, including Venzy. The bonus is he would retire here.
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i don't like his visor
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I like how he gets all fired up and stuff.
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remember when he said something like "if the game was played in manhattan, it would not be empty" after their stadium was empty during a light drizzle?
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he's gross but he could be a "hate him when you're against him, love him when he's with you" kind of guy. almost every team in the country would love him as coach.
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GP has no sentimental connection to K-State. He used his connection to try and land a P5 gig when TCU was the identical twin of SMU, a lowely second tier Texas school. He now has a P5 job at a school paying him a top 5 salary in a recruiting hot bed. Sorry guys, unless he gets fired, no way is he leaving a cushy job like that. That's like saying Bill self would leave KU for a chance to coach Okie Lite.
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their fans were, i think, complaining about the dew point or barometric pressure or some crap.
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iirc his wife really wanted to be in kansas
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If he buys pants that fit and cuts his pork intake in half we can talk.
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If he buys pants that fit and cuts his pork intake in half we can talk.
Looks to have lost some weight, must be a contract stipulation.
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If he buys pants that fit and cuts his pork intake in half we can talk.
Looks to have lost some weight, must be a contract stipulation.
If true, GP obviously does not have Mark Mangino's agent.
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remember when he said something like "if the game was played in manhattan, it would not be empty" after their stadium was empty during a light drizzle?
their fans were, i think, complaining about the dew point or barometric pressure or some crap.
This is where someone would post a 1/3 full BSFS during the entirety of the second half yesterday
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iirc his wife really wanted to be in kansas
Nope. She was born and raised in Texas,.UT grad. Like ten years ago, when everyone wanted him, there were multiple articles down there talking about how tied she is to the community. I remember during "It's Patterson" a couple of TCU posters going on ksufans talking about how they wouldn't go anywhere because she's on the Ft. Worth Zoo board of directors. We mocked the dude for it but all these years later they're still in Ft. Worth.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
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Is he still at TCU completely by his choice though? Didn’t he flirt with Tennessee in 2009 before not getting offered the gig? Then more recently he made a dig about Tennessee not believing in him I thought. It sounds like he has at least interviewed other places in the past
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
I would be good with continuing Snyder 2.0 with a younger, healthier LHC Bill Snyder.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
Bill hasn't had a Top 10 finish since 2002.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
I would be good with continuing Snyder 2.0 with a younger, healthier LHC Bill Snyder.
Fair enough but does a younger LHC Bill Snyder translate to more wins, less headaches? This season we're having, right down to the coaching staff drama, they had just last year. Let's say this Sean vs. Dana thing gets resolved this off season, like their Meacham vs. Cumbie drama got resolved, I wouldn't think a 9-3 type season next year would be wildly out of the question.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
Bill hasn't had a Top 10 finish since 2002.
There is literally no way possible that matters to you more than win loss record, I can't believe you even brought it up.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
No offense MIR, but anyone that would reject 10-15 more years with an approximate 68.5% winning percentage, with championship type years, is a giant dumbass.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
Bill hasn't had a Top 10 finish since 2002.
There is literally no way possible that matters to you more than win loss record, I can't believe you even brought it up.
it 100% does matter more. I would take TCU's run since they came into the conference without hesitation over what Bill's has been in 2.0 and what Bill has done since TCU came into the conference.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
No offense MIR, but anyone that would reject 10-15 more years with an approximate 68.5% winning percentage, with championship type years, is a giant dumbass.
Who's rejecting it? I'm not rejecting it, well done Gary! Running roughshod over Utah State, Idaho, and the UTEPs of the world hold no relevance in power five football. The unemployment line is littered with guys who dominated non P5 conferences, like Butch Jones and Jim McElwain.
I won't call you a dumbass for missing this obvious logic though, I'm all about decorum here.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
No offense MIR, but anyone that would reject 10-15 more years with an approximate 68.5% winning percentage, with championship type years, is a giant dumbass.
Who's rejecting it? I'm not rejecting it, well done Gary! Running roughshod over Utah State, Idaho, and the UTEPs of the world hold no relevance in power five football. The unemployment line is littered with guys who dominated non P5 conferences, like Butch Jones and Jim McElwain.
I won't call you a dumbass for missing this obvious logic though, I'm all about decorum here.
This is the dumbest argument. Yes, GP is an awesome coach. Yes, his record in the Big 12 is pretty much the same as Snyder's. Yes, Snyder is an awesome coach. Everybody is right.
But Snyder is 78, and GP is not. So, we would be lucky to get GP, and it would be great if he replicated the success he has had at TCU in the Big 12/the success Snyder has had in 2.0.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
Bill hasn't had a Top 10 finish since 2002.
There is literally no way possible that matters to you more than win loss record, I can't believe you even brought it up.
it 100% does matter more. I would take TCU's run since they came into the conference without hesitation over what Bill's has been in 2.0 and what Bill has done since TCU came into the conference.
I'm sorry but I don't believe you. And I don't believe you because there is no way you can name the teams 5-10'in the last two final AP polls. NO.ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE, cares who finishes outside of the top 4
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
No offense MIR, but anyone that would reject 10-15 more years with an approximate 68.5% winning percentage, with championship type years, is a giant dumbass.
Who's rejecting it? I'm not rejecting it, well done Gary! Running roughshod over Utah State, Idaho, and the UTEPs of the world hold no relevance in power five football. The unemployment line is littered with guys who dominated non P5 conferences, like Butch Jones and Jim McElwain.
I won't call you a dumbass for missing this obvious logic though, I'm all about decorum here.
This is the dumbest argument. Yes, GP is an awesome coach. Yes, his record in the Big 12 is pretty much the same as Snyder's. Yes, Snyder is an awesome coach. Everybody is right.
But Snyder is 78, and GP is not. So, we would be lucky to get GP, and it would be great if he replicated the success he has had at TCU in the Big 12/the success Snyder has had in 2.0.
Right. The argument I made is that if you want Gary then you'd be fine with keeping Bill as long as he wants to stay, I'm glad we agree. I won't even get into the possibility of his recruiting potentially being worse after he left Ft. Worth for Manhattan.
Look the bottom line is that if you hire a coach you at least want the hope that they'd do better than the guy you're replacing. There's no evidence that Gary has the capacity to improve what's currently being done. He has a great situation now and his program is identical to what we have.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
Bill hasn't had a Top 10 finish since 2002.
There is literally no way possible that matters to you more than win loss record, I can't believe you even brought it up.
it 100% does matter more. I would take TCU's run since they came into the conference without hesitation over what Bill's has been in 2.0 and what Bill has done since TCU came into the conference.
I'm sorry but I don't believe you. And I don't believe you because there is no way you can name the teams 5-10'in the last two final AP polls. NO.ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE, cares who finishes outside of the top 4
At the end of this season i would take TCU's top 3 seasons vs our top 3 seasons since they joined the conference without hesitation. I would guess you would too. And at the end of this season our bottom 3 seasons aren't that much better than TCU's. That is exactly why i would take TCU's run in the Big 12 over ours.
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I could live with this.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p203/Joker4KSU/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-13%20at%209.28.43%20AM.png)
I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
You guys are weird with this Gary stuff.
No offense MIR, but anyone that would reject 10-15 more years with an approximate 68.5% winning percentage, with championship type years, is a giant dumbass.
Who's rejecting it? I'm not rejecting it, well done Gary! Running roughshod over Utah State, Idaho, and the UTEPs of the world hold no relevance in power five football. The unemployment line is littered with guys who dominated non P5 conferences, like Butch Jones and Jim McElwain.
I won't call you a dumbass for missing this obvious logic though, I'm all about decorum here.
I wasn't actually referring to you in the last post, that's why said "no offense". Generally if I call someone a dumbass I expect some offense to occur. Of course, now I am calling you a dumbass because 68.5% is what he has had in the Big 12, not Utah St or whoever. I'm comfortable evaluating him on what he's done since being in the P5. And that's bringing a team from a situation with way less money, resources, or prestige.
I don't know what people expect from our next coach, but I highly suspect it's either a major crap shoot we take on a lower level coach or an assistant of some time. Both have high failure rates at P5 level. Or, we go with a current HC at a P5 conference...and if we're honest, Gary would be the absolute best current P5 head coach we have a shot at. And I think that shot is virtually nil. In the end, he has won at a similar clip to our greatest coach ever, at a school that doesn't sell itself (like ours). Having our next coach be successful is important on many levels. Not least of which the "nobody can win there except Snyder" would dissipate.
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Is he still at TCU completely by his choice though? Didn’t he flirt with Tennessee in 2009 before not getting offered the gig? Then more recently he made a dig about Tennessee not believing in him I thought. It sounds like he has at least interviewed other places in the past
Yes, he was supposedly interested in Tennessee in 2009. The story goes that our AD told him that he was perceived as a mid-major coach. That apparently rubbed GP the wrong way.
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I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
By and large, Snyder 2.0 has been a fun ride. If the next coach can achieve similar results I would consider that a successful hire.
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I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
By and large, Snyder 2.0 has been a fun ride. If the next coach can achieve similar results I would consider that a successful hire.
The only downside to Snyder 2.0 is that we all pretty much assume it's over, and if it's not over, it's on a non-correctable downhill slide.
If you could lather, rinse, repeat Sndyer 2.0 for eternity, it would be fuckin' great. And we all know it. And Patterson would give us a great chance at that (minus eternity part). I'm still saying we can't get him, but we should all want him (unless you like Venables more, I can get down with that although it's more risky).
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I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
By and large, Snyder 2.0 has been a fun ride. If the next coach can achieve similar results I would consider that a successful hire.
The only downside to Snyder 2.0 is that we all pretty much assume it's over, and if it's not over, it's on a non-correctable downhill slide.
If you could lather, rinse, repeat Sndyer 2.0 for eternity, it would be fuckin' great. And we all know it. And Patterson would give us a great chance at that (minus eternity part). I'm still saying we can't get him, but we should all want him (unless you like Venables more, I can get down with that although it's more risky).
Yes, this is what I was trying to say. You don't want GP because you think he can do better than Snyder (can anyone?), you want GP because he might be able to replicate what Snyder has done. This is not a conversation about firing Snyder to hire GP. This is a conversation about hiring GP once Snyder retires.
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I'm beginning to think Gary touched MIR as a child.
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getting Gary would be a great hire, but there's no way he's coming here so why bother
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I'd assume you're good with continuing Snyder 2.0? Since TCU joined the Big 12, Bill is 54-27 with one conference championship, Gary is 48-22 with one conference championship.
By and large, Snyder 2.0 has been a fun ride. If the next coach can achieve similar results I would consider that a successful hire.
The only downside to Snyder 2.0 is that we all pretty much assume it's over, and if it's not over, it's on a non-correctable downhill slide.
If you could lather, rinse, repeat Sndyer 2.0 for eternity, it would be fuckin' great. And we all know it. And Patterson would give us a great chance at that (minus eternity part). I'm still saying we can't get him, but we should all want him (unless you like Venables more, I can get down with that although it's more risky).
Yes, this is what I was trying to say. You don't want GP because you think he can do better than Snyder (can anyone?), you want GP because he might be able to replicate what Snyder has done. This is not a conversation about firing Snyder to hire GP. This is a conversation about hiring GP once Snyder retires.
I don't want Patterson because I don't think he can replicate what he's done at TCU here. He's a successful coach at a football school in one of the biggest metro areas in the state of Texas and his program is no better than a guy 20 years older in Manhattan, Kansas who doesn't recruit. Does this make sense now? You think he's going to be able to get better players here?
Isn't the attraction to someone like Venables, is that he and his staff would have the energy needed to recruit here? I'm not arguing that Gary isn't a good coach, that'd be silly. I would like to understand how he's going to be able to continue on what he's doing now, minus some of the advantages he has now.
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I'd rather have Smoke Patterson than gross weirdo, Sweaty Gary. Smoke would be awesome.
He's still in the game.
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I want a coach that can get us to 5-0 6-0, 7-0 with high frequency, and once every 10 years or so push for the title, Snyder 1 gave us that, Snyder 2 has had a title run but too many seasons where we are out of it early. It may be too much to ask for, and frankly I don’t believe we will remotely approach that but it is what I want.
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I'd rather have Smoke Patterson than gross weirdo, Sweaty Gary. Smoke would be awesome.
He's still in the game.
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i love Smoke's custom hat!