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Title: Delton thoughts
Post by: troubledscribe on October 21, 2017, 07:39:53 PM
Kids got some talent and is a nice runner. However... he can't read defenses and his deep balls to Pringles at the end of the game looked like floating ducks that should be picked off in addition to his other pick. I don't see him being our future winning qb.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 21, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
our future winning qb.

:lol:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Karlen on October 21, 2017, 07:46:08 PM
If there's a slower shipping option than USPS, that's what he uses on his long balls.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 21, 2017, 07:54:33 PM
Delton: 12-14 144 1td against #9 (and another 140 rushing)

goEfucktard: this guy cant throw or read a defense

AMAZE  :love:

Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: troubledscribe on October 21, 2017, 07:55:56 PM
Delton: 12-14 144 1td against #9 (and another 140 rushing)

goEfucktard: this guy cant throw or read a defense

AMAZE  :love:

It's true. Laugh all you want.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 21, 2017, 08:03:09 PM
With a Pringle drop on play 1.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: pvegs on October 21, 2017, 08:07:50 PM
delton played his ass off, but is definitely limited by his throwing. props to him for running the zombie qb offense. 26 carries is sams 2013 territory. still, i don't see any reason for him and sky not to split reps and see who is better. this is a lost season. no reason not to see who is better in game action.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: OK_Cat on October 21, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
Delton is clearly the best of the three, stfu


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Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: wetwillie on October 21, 2017, 08:15:20 PM
he will be welcomed to the sketti shoulder club shortly.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: catastrophe on October 21, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
I’ve been pretty vocal about my Delton doubts, but he is not the reason we lost tonight. Our defense just needed to be able to tackle.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: kso_FAN on October 21, 2017, 08:21:02 PM
Delton played well and made the most of his throws (except the int), but arm strength is a real issue. Plus at his size he will absolutely not make it through a full season in this offense.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: catastrophe on October 21, 2017, 08:22:57 PM
We are at a point where we can go all in and develop a young quarterback for several seasons. I still think Sky should be that guy. I see Delton as an electric Bazooka Joe.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: troubledscribe on October 21, 2017, 09:01:49 PM
Delton played well and made the most of his throws (except the int), but arm strength is a real issue. Plus at his size he will absolutely not make it through a full season in this offense.

This and
We are at a point where we can go all in and develop a young quarterback for several seasons. I still think Sky should be that guy. I see Delton as an electric Bazooka Joe.

This
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: slackcat on October 21, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
I like his zeal.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2017, 09:28:11 PM
he can throw short/medium passes fast. im going to blame the wind until i see more.

its so surprising to see a backup qb do well just because hcbs treats them like they can't even tie their shoes
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: muqluk on October 21, 2017, 09:51:17 PM
What does it matter how relatively good or bad Delton (or any of the 3 really) is?

With the current play calling fuckery Joe Montana in his prime with Jerry Rice as his #1 couldn't win games here.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: pvegs on October 21, 2017, 10:10:27 PM
thx for parroting all my thoughts, yet not acknowledging them even though i was the one who said them.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: muqluk on October 21, 2017, 10:13:16 PM
heh, sorry didn't read the whole thread.

Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 01:22:23 AM


he can throw short/medium passes fast. im going to blame the wind until i see more.

its so surprising to see a backup qb do well just because hcbs treats them like they can't even tie their shoes

He threw great deep balls last week. It's really weird to me how many people think he sucks.

I mean for a sophomore QB never really getting significant reps against a shitty snyder non-con he looked pretty great today.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 22, 2017, 08:33:36 AM
Every ball that was thrown or kicked into the north wind hung up in the air last night. Have you ever thrown a ball into a strong wind?
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: featurethefullback on October 22, 2017, 12:51:17 PM
Delton tried hard.  Delton is small.  Delton cannot pass.   Delton will never be the long term answer.    This season is flushed.  Less qb running.  More qb throwing.   Play Thompson.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
I can't believe I agree with troubledscribe. I'm happy Delton had a very good game last night but you can clearly see why Sisco is the starter. Those last two catches by Zuber became 50/50 balls because Delton's throw allowed the defense to recover. One of them must have slipped because it ducked so much it was nearly end over end. He also threw the db back into the play on Gruntley's first catch. I did like that Dana gave him easier throws early to help him get in a rhythm.

Also he was already flexing his leg a couple of times last night.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 01:08:47 PM
Daniel Sams 2.0. Let the infighting begin.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2017, 01:25:48 PM
He's much better than Sams.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Powercat Posse on October 22, 2017, 01:32:47 PM
I don't think he has a strong arm, but also don't feel that "lack of arm Strength" is his issue. Pringle first catch was a ball that traveled 50 yds in the air into a stiff breeze. It wasn't an Aaron Rodgers laser beam but it wasn't a floating duck that died in the wind either.

I think accuracy and his lack of ability to read are bigger issues. Some of that is because of inexperience. His numbers looked good yday, but he really struggled the week before.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 02:18:12 PM
He's much better than Sams.

Very debatable.
Title: Delton thoughts
Post by: kso_FAN on October 22, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
Those last two catches by Zuber became 50/50 balls because Delton's throw allowed the defense to recover. One of them must have slipped because it ducked so much it was nearly end over end. He also threw the db back into the play on Gruntley's first catch. I did like that Dana gave him easier throws early to help him get in a rhythm.

Also he was already flexing his leg a couple of times last night.

And those throws weren't much better than the interception he threw before halftime, the receiver (I don't recall who it was) just didn't make any kind of play on the ball on that one.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 02:43:11 PM
Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 02:50:39 PM
Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 02:54:56 PM
Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 02:58:10 PM
Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.

I think he has the arm strength and athleticism to be great. I have serious concerns with his accuracy. I think everyone does. I'm responding more to Powercat Posse's response in that regard.

I just don't think all the reps in the world and coaching will improve his accuracy issues to the point he'll ever be worth a dang.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2017, 03:08:56 PM
Delton doesn't get me anywhere close to as excited as Sams, but Sams was a top 3 EMAW QB.  Delton's the most exciting we've put out there for years however.  I couldn't nap at all, even if most of that could be attributed to Gus's shtick.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Tobias on October 22, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
delton seems perfectly adequate/non-bottleneck’y
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 03:13:18 PM


Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.

I think he has the arm strength and athleticism to be great. I have serious concerns with his accuracy. I think everyone does. I'm responding more to Powercat Posse's response in that regard.

I just don't think all the reps in the world and coaching will improve his accuracy issues to the point he'll ever be worth a dang.

This is seriously crazy to me. Do you think Ertz is "worth a dang"? I mean a healthy Ertz is definitely better than Delton at this point but Delton could very easily be just as good or better. He could be worse too but it's way premature to declare him a bust.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: OK_Cat on October 22, 2017, 03:21:38 PM
Maybe we should focus our anger at the coaches for being terrible at recruiting instead of defending a shitty qb from Iowa or a slightly less shitty qb from Hays.


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Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: wetwillie on October 22, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
Talent's not that bad, scheme has been the problem.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 03:38:08 PM


Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.

I think he has the arm strength and athleticism to be great. I have serious concerns with his accuracy. I think everyone does. I'm responding more to Powercat Posse's response in that regard.

I just don't think all the reps in the world and coaching will improve his accuracy issues to the point he'll ever be worth a dang.

This is seriously crazy to me. Do you think Ertz is "worth a dang"? I mean a healthy Ertz is definitely better than Delton at this point but Delton could very easily be just as good or better. He could be worse too but it's way premature to declare him a bust.

I believe that we are completely 1-dimensional with Delton under center. I also understand that was the case with Ertz when he was healthy but I don't fault him as much as our receivers. Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

I want a healthy Ertz starting and targeting Zuber and Gruntley since they have emerged as the two receivers who can catch a ball.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

To try to keep him under an 85% completion percentage?
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 03:49:50 PM


Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.

I think he has the arm strength and athleticism to be great. I have serious concerns with his accuracy. I think everyone does. I'm responding more to Powercat Posse's response in that regard.

I just don't think all the reps in the world and coaching will improve his accuracy issues to the point he'll ever be worth a dang.

This is seriously crazy to me. Do you think Ertz is "worth a dang"? I mean a healthy Ertz is definitely better than Delton at this point but Delton could very easily be just as good or better. He could be worse too but it's way premature to declare him a bust.

I believe that we are completely 1-dimensional with Delton under center. I also understand that was the case with Ertz when he was healthy but I don't fault him as much as our receivers. Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

I want a healthy Ertz starting and targeting Zuber and Gruntley since they have emerged as the two receivers who can catch a ball.

you think our receivers got magically better at catching the ball mid-season but don't think Delton's accuracy or decision making could improve over the course of a career? Also did you actually look at the box score?
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 03:50:41 PM
Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

To try to keep him under an 85% completion percentage?

I do not believe he's the guy you want in there if it's 3rd and 5 or more. If he can consistenly create where 3rd and 5+ is minimal then he can be good. I don't believe that's realistic.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 03:54:18 PM


Delton's throw in the INT was rushed by the pass rush.

It was right at the defender. So far behind the receiver. It almost looked like the receiver ran the wrong route but I'm pretty sure Delton was just that far off the mark.
Yeah he rushed the throw because he was about to take a hit. Was a terrible throw/decision but not a great indication of arm strength or accuracy.

Shitty play call for the situation, too.

I think he has the arm strength and athleticism to be great. I have serious concerns with his accuracy. I think everyone does. I'm responding more to Powercat Posse's response in that regard.

I just don't think all the reps in the world and coaching will improve his accuracy issues to the point he'll ever be worth a dang.

This is seriously crazy to me. Do you think Ertz is "worth a dang"? I mean a healthy Ertz is definitely better than Delton at this point but Delton could very easily be just as good or better. He could be worse too but it's way premature to declare him a bust.

I believe that we are completely 1-dimensional with Delton under center. I also understand that was the case with Ertz when he was healthy but I don't fault him as much as our receivers. Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

I want a healthy Ertz starting and targeting Zuber and Gruntley since they have emerged as the two receivers who can catch a ball.

you think our receivers got magically better at catching the ball mid-season but don't think Delton's accuracy or decision making could improve over the course of a career? Also did you actually look at the box score?

I think Pringle should not be counted on as much as we had originally thought. Zuber should be thrust into a more important role and Gruntley too. Essentially I'm saying I don't think you can teach accuracy or catching. I don't think Delton will ever be accurate throwing the ball and I honestly don't have any confidence throwing the ball to Pringle in the forseeable future. I'm not saying don't throw the ball to Pringle. I'm just saying don't expect anything more than Deante Burton.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 22, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
As long as Delton can be effective enough running the ball to create wide open receivers downfield, he is accurate enough. So basically, he's going to be great for us until he gets hurt. It's concerning to me that he isn't more accurate after being a college QB for a couple of years. It's like we put almost no effort in developing our backup QBs or something.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
Pringle can't catch a dang punt for christ sake.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
It's like we put almost no effort in developing our backup QBs or something.

Again, the backup QB who got the most meaningful playing time last year was Sr. Joe Hubener.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2017, 05:48:19 PM
Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

To try to keep him under an 85% completion percentage?

I do not believe he's the guy you want in there if it's 3rd and 5 or more. If he can consistenly create where 3rd and 5+ is minimal then he can be good. I don't believe that's realistic.

3rd and longs are bad for everyone. 3rd and 5? Delton/Barnes option. If the defense puts everyone in the box, he’ll be adequate at chucking it to some open receiver.

I want to die (or have football die) with my EMAW offense looking like Bishop’s and Roberson’s.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
Defenses have to defend the pass against Ertz but why would you with Delton?

To try to keep him under an 85% completion percentage?

I do not believe he's the guy you want in there if it's 3rd and 5 or more. If he can consistenly create where 3rd and 5+ is minimal then he can be good. I don't believe that's realistic.

3rd and longs are bad for everyone. 3rd and 5? Delton/Barnes option. If the defense puts everyone in the box, he’ll be adequate at chucking it to some open receiver.

I want to die (or have football die) with my EMAW offense looking like Bishop’s and Roberson’s.

1. Delton doesn't resemble Roberson or Bishop. They could throw the ball.

2. A Barnes option is a reasonable playcall on 3rd and 5 but less so with Delton as the QB because that's what the D is counting on.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 06:07:53 PM
Delton was extremely accurate last night, and exhibited good arm strength on the out routes we ran.  The dumb fuckery that is this thread angers me.  :curse:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 22, 2017, 06:09:28 PM
I don’t think I understand what being able to throw the ball consists of.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Powercat Posse on October 22, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
At one point yday, Delton ran the ball 21 of 38 plays. How is that freaking balance? 8 pass attempts, 8 RB runs, 1 WR jet sweep run.

Last year in a game, our 4 RBs averaged 7.8 per carry. They combined for 24 carries. Ertz ran it 30 freaking times. Now he ave 5.1 per carry. We had 2 drives late that went nowhere cause we ran Ertz too often.

Not saying abandon the QB run game, but 11 runs 23 yds after Halftime y'day, while the RBs get 5 carries is head scratching.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 06:41:43 PM
I don’t think I understand what being able to throw the ball consists of.

Being able to do more than designed pass plays with one read.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Katpappy on October 22, 2017, 07:38:10 PM
Delton: 12-14 144 1td against #9 (and another 140 rushing)

goEfucktard: this guy cant throw or read a defense

AMAZE  :love:
I can't believe FSD and I feel the same way. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Ficon11.gif&hash=e2fb8e8f9f71177b1d2be6ea509757a6efac8fd6)
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
Delts is a sophomore, the only thing keeping him from being ell in the future is our defense sucks
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Katpappy on October 22, 2017, 07:50:31 PM
It's like we put almost no effort in developing our backup QBs or something.

Again, the backup QB who got the most meaningful playing time last year was Sr. Joe Hubener.
That's got to be an issue with our OC and QB's coaches.  One should be fired for that bullshit. 
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 22, 2017, 07:52:55 PM
It's like we put almost no effort in developing our backup QBs or something.

Again, the backup QB who got the most meaningful playing time last year was Sr. Joe Hubener.
That's got to be an issue with our OC and QB's coaches.  One should be fired for that bullshit.
Agreed
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Katpappy on October 22, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
It really seems like our smarter posters see what Delton is at this point in time.  I think if you look at what our better QB's were capable of in their first few games, they weren't any better than Delton.

My only issue with using Delton in the Battering Ram Offence is his size.  Just like Sams, he's way to small and will be hurt sooner or latter.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 22, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
I don't get the talking points that Delton can't throw? I don't think we watched the same game
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
I don't get the talking points that Delton can't throw? I don't think we watched the same game

Catching radius
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Re: Sams

Every player on the team hated him bc he skipped workouts and was selfish and stupid.

The coaches played him more than he should have been played.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: catastrophe on October 22, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
Delts is a sophomore, the only thing keeping him from being ell in the future is our defense sucks

Defense cost him the OU game. They didn’t cost him the TCU game.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: delerioustyme on October 23, 2017, 04:51:11 AM
Delts is a sophomore, the only thing keeping him from being ell in the future is our defense sucks

Defense cost him the OU game. They didn’t cost him the TCU game.

TCU’s defense and our play calling cost him the TCU game.  He has considerable arm strength.  Against TCU he put it on a rope 60 yards in the air on his two throws to Pringle.  In the OU game, the two late throws were into the wind so they hung in the air far longer than they should have.  But the TD throw was as accurate a pass as you will see in college football this year.  As a red shirt Sophmore, if we were to compare him to Roberson, he is far and away ahead of where he was throwing the ball by this time in his college career.  Ell has his fair share of accuracy issues early on in his college years, especially his sophomore year, where he completed 39% of his passes and had 4 TDS and 8 Ints. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 23, 2017, 09:16:21 AM
Delton looked electric.  The entire first half plays were being called that put him in position to succeed.  Not quite sure what happened in the 3rd quarter.   :bang:

Delton's running ability different than Ertz.  He can dart through holes like a tiny running back, and get around the edge pretty fast.  His running ability will open up the pass.  As long as Dimel calls the proper plays, Delton should be able to play-action-pass his ass off to 1-on-1 receivers every game. 

Also, Delton has a very quick release which is a welcome change from Klein, Bazooka, and Ertz's 5-second windup.  Hopefully this lessens the sacks and holding calls.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 23, 2017, 09:18:19 AM
That was the most fun I had watching a game this whole season, so there's that!
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: meow meow on October 23, 2017, 09:27:06 AM
would like to see some speed option with Delton
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 23, 2017, 10:34:26 AM


Delton looked electric.  The entire first half plays were being called that put him in position to succeed.  Not quite sure what happened in the 3rd quarter.   :bang:

What happened in the third is he threw an interception before halftime so the coaches crap their pants and hardly tried to attempt a pass with the wind.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 23, 2017, 11:21:22 AM


Delton looked electric.  The entire first half plays were being called that put him in position to succeed.  Not quite sure what happened in the 3rd quarter.   :bang:

What happened in the third is he threw an interception before halftime so the coaches crap their pants and hardly tried to attempt a pass with the wind.

Sure, and there was no play-action misdirection on the play to give Delton a chance.  The drop-back pass made no sense whatsoever.  Dimel is calling plays like he has Waters and Lockett on the field.     
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 11:23:04 AM


Delton looked electric.  The entire first half plays were being called that put him in position to succeed.  Not quite sure what happened in the 3rd quarter.   :bang:

What happened in the third is he threw an interception before halftime so the coaches crap their pants and hardly tried to attempt a pass with the wind.

Sure, and there was no play-action misdirection on the play to give Delton a chance.  The drop-back pass made no sense whatsoever.  Dimel is calling plays like he has Waters and Lockett on the field.     

It made more sense than you give it credit for, especially given the coverage we had. The protection was more of an issue than the call which led to a poor throw.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 23, 2017, 11:44:37 AM


Delton looked electric.  The entire first half plays were being called that put him in position to succeed.  Not quite sure what happened in the 3rd quarter.   :bang:

What happened in the third is he threw an interception before halftime so the coaches crap their pants and hardly tried to attempt a pass with the wind.

Sure, and there was no play-action misdirection on the play to give Delton a chance.  The drop-back pass made no sense whatsoever.  Dimel is calling plays like he has Waters and Lockett on the field.     

It made more sense than you give it credit for, especially given the coverage we had. The protection was more of an issue than the call which led to a poor throw.

Did Delton audible to that play?  It was 1st and 10 when he threw the INT, right after we ran the ball 3 consecutive times for a first down.  I'm no expert, but why go away from what was working?  They would have never done that to Klein....or maybe Klein wouldn't have thrown to that route?  The drive before included all running plays except two short passing plays to Zuber that resulted in a TD.  Huge momentum killer and possibly the difference in W or L.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 23, 2017, 11:46:39 AM
was really piss poor execution on that play..
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: kso_FAN on October 23, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
Did Delton audible to that play?  It was 1st and 10 when he threw the INT, right after we ran the ball 3 consecutive times for a first down.  I'm no expert, but why go away from what was working?  They would have never done that to Klein....or maybe Klein wouldn't have thrown to that route?  The drive before included all running plays except two short passing plays to Zuber that resulted in a TD.  Huge momentum killer and possibly the difference in W or L.

I think it was called and I think it was the right call. We passed on 1st down because OU didn't expect it and had 7 guys in the box with only 1 safety to help. The safety went to the 2 receiver side so we got 1 on 1 coverage with no help on the backside, plus we had max protection (7 guys to take on OU's initial 5, then a 6th late blitzer). Dimel has run plays like that on first down plenty of times before, including with Klein.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 23, 2017, 12:58:03 PM
Everyone in here complaining about Delton looks stupid as eff and should be forced to watch the Jerty Ertz highlight reel as punishment.  Delton is rough ridin' awesome. Jerry scored 7 against Vandy.

Also, Ell Roberson was listed at 6'0" 205, Delton 6'0" 201. Not sure where this idea comes from that he can't replicate Roberson from a staying healthy and physicality standpoint.

I'll say it, most of you clearly can't handle KState having a black qb.  :nono:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 23, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK

https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/922498108378025985
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 23, 2017, 01:08:49 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 23, 2017, 01:19:41 PM
 :facepalm:

Welcome to Waters vs Sams 2.0

Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Cire on October 23, 2017, 01:23:36 PM
JFC
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Tobias on October 23, 2017, 01:58:27 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 23, 2017, 02:22:08 PM
 :blank:
has it been 100% been confirmed yet that jesse was for sure not granted an additional year of eligibility?
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2017, 02:24:11 PM
I’m still team #sky, but come on. If ever there was a time to let the young guy have a conference builder, just let Delton start.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Cire on October 23, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
not until after the season is over.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: BostonPancake on October 23, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
Maybe this will mean Barnes gets more carries  :dunno:

Just looking for something positive.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
Everyone in here complaining about Delton looks stupid as eff and should be forced to watch the Jerty Ertz highlight reel

Great idea, how about two?
[youtube]https://youtu.be/CmM4LQ7mANg[/youtube]
[youtube]https://youtu.be/oygEP68nqbg[/youtube]

I don't love him starting this week, only because I have no idea how he can be anywhere close to healthy.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MadCat on October 23, 2017, 03:11:50 PM
Wildwestworldcats  :runaway:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 23, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
I don't love him starting this week, only because I have no idea how he can be anywhere close to healthy.
exactly, not to mention its against ku so we honestly shouldn't need him.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: meow meow on October 23, 2017, 04:57:42 PM
would be a great week to start Sky, but being realistic, i'd rather see if Delton can build on what he did last week.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 23, 2017, 04:59:22 PM
I was really looking forward to seeing just how much Delton would continue to improve before the end of the season. :frown:

Everything about this season sucks.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Cire on October 23, 2017, 05:02:55 PM
Arm strength is arm strength. Experience isn't going to change or improve that


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Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: everyone shut up on October 23, 2017, 07:00:30 PM
Maybe this will mean Barnes gets more carries  :dunno:

Just looking for something positive.

Barnes probably won't get another touch.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: michigancat on October 23, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Arm strength is arm strength. Experience isn't going to change or improve that


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:blank:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: The Big Train on October 23, 2017, 07:13:07 PM
:facepalm:

Welcome to Waters vs Sams 2.0

:excited:
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: GregKSU1027 on October 24, 2017, 11:16:40 AM
:facepalm:

Welcome to Waters vs Sams 2.0

:excited:
#teamdelton

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Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: PoetWarrior on October 24, 2017, 11:43:42 AM
Most of you don't remember two things.

1. Ell Roberson was not accurate as a sophomore. (1-11 & 1-8)
2. Ell Roberson is the greatest college football player of all time.


There is only one interesting thing about K-State. It's Alex Delton.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: PoetWarrior on October 24, 2017, 11:46:57 AM
P.S.
K-State coaches are shamefully racist.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Trim on October 24, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
That says it all.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Cire on October 24, 2017, 01:38:00 PM
Most of you don't remember two things.

1. Ell Roberson was not accurate as a sophomore. (1-11 & 1-8)
2. Ell Roberson is the greatest college football player of all time.


There is only one interesting thing about K-State. It's Alex Delton.


DJamer reed is interesting.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2017, 04:19:08 PM
Most of you don't remember two things.

1. Ell Roberson was not accurate as a sophomore. (1-11 & 1-8)
2. Ell Roberson is the greatest college football player of all time.


There is only one interesting thing about K-State. It's Alex Delton.


#1 has been pointed out a dozen times
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
You guys think there's any chance that Bill is just saying Ertz will start to screw up Coach Beatty's game plan?
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: mhkpasa on October 24, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Does KU gameplan yet? Seems like that might be Phase II
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MadCat on October 24, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
It's taking longer than expected to fully unlearn Block Tackle Catch Throw.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 24, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
Do you guys forget that Roberson played with a great defense? With our defense you absolutely must be score 30 a game to expect to win
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: delerioustyme on October 25, 2017, 12:23:16 AM
Do you guys forget that Roberson played with a great defense? With our defense you absolutely must be score 30 a game to expect to win

He also had James Terry, Josh Scobey and Darren Sproles. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: pvegs on October 25, 2017, 03:05:27 AM
Re: Sams

Every player on the team hated him bc he skipped workouts and was selfish and stupid.

The coaches played him more than he should have been played.

i can confirm this from a team manager who was there 2012-15. look at me and fsd, getting along, not hating each other. 2017 season. truly weird.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Do you guys forget that Roberson played with a great defense? With our defense you absolutely must be score 30 a game to expect to win

No one forgot that, it's just irrelevant to the conversation.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: kso_FAN on October 25, 2017, 02:26:26 PM
“It’s part of playing quarterback here,” Delton said. “You are going to take some beatings every now and then.”

http://amp.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article180854576.html
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on October 25, 2017, 03:32:19 PM
just finished re-watching the game.   Delton was excellent for most of this game.  People calling for Sky are likely the same folks calling for Bill's job and will be the first ones to bitch when their "replacement" falls on his face.  Sky may be fantastic (hope he is) but Delton deserves the chance he's being given.  He did nothing that makes we think he's not more than capable.

Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: cfbandyman on October 25, 2017, 03:32:27 PM
I don't love him starting this week, only because I have no idea how he can be anywhere close to healthy.
exactly, not to mention its against ku so we honestly shouldn't need him.

This 100%. If we want to roll the dice against TT and have Ertz plan then fine I guess. But Delton has been fairly good. Let him have this.
Title: Re: Delton thoughts
Post by: PurpleOil on October 25, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
just finished re-watching the game.   Delton was excellent for most of this game.  People calling for Sky are likely the same folks calling for Bill's job and will be the first ones to bitch when their "replacement" falls on his face.  Sky may be fantastic (hope he is) but Delton deserves the chance he's being given.  He did nothing that makes we think he's not more than capable.

I don't think there are even close to as many people calling for Skylar as there are wanting Bill to step down/leave.