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Title: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 02:34:48 AM
If you vote ‘pub every election and like that President Silverbacks agenda isn’t getting passed, then post in this thread.

If you are a Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Karl Rove, John McCain, W. Type then say so and I will commence WAR with you!

I don’t even think people like this exist outside the beltway.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: renocat on October 21, 2017, 07:55:37 AM
I would vote for a demonic squirrel before I would vote for a radical left wing Democrat espousing American and godly culture killing policies.  Would I vote for Trump against a real god fearing American conservative,  hell know.  Demon Hillary Clinton is why Trump exists.  As long as she is on her psycho tour and yapping about whatever, Trump is going to get stronger and the Republican party gutted by an imposter.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: renocat on October 21, 2017, 08:00:06 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/356494-the-memo-murmurs-of-trump-dissent-in-gop
Some are fighting back..
"The reluctance of others who are facing into competitive fights to go into the arena against Trump is notable. And it makes even strong critics of the president believe he can hold the line against GOP dissenters for the moment.

The president's approval rating with the general public is at 39.4 percent in the RealClearPolitics average - historically bad for a commander-in-chief at such an early stage of his administration.

But among Republicans, Trump's approval rating hovers around 80 percent in most polls. That means Republican lawmakers who are seeking reelection need to think twice before crossing him."
Why is Trump popular?  Only dang hope of getting us back on track from the Obama disaster.  Congress is a joke.  Trump push back can't come from senators.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 21, 2017, 09:14:24 AM
It's probably not that outrageous to think these people only exist inside the beltway.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2017, 09:24:28 AM
It's kind of sad that you guys think decent conservatives are some unicorn that needs to be hunted down
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: chum1 on October 21, 2017, 09:27:29 AM
Demon Hillary Clinton is why Trump exists.

Or maybe Obama is why Trump exists.

Quote
President Barack Obama read to a certain portion of white America as an unending attack on white Christian identity, centrality and cultural relevance. In their minds, he was seeking to end their right to bear arms and the right of conservatives to speak freely.

For this group of Americans, Trump has been the corrective. As Ta-Nehisi Coates points out in his brilliant Atlantic essay, “The First White President,” for Trump’s supporters, his election was itself the point. Putting a human wrecking ball against political correctness, feminism, multiculturalism and even decency was the ballgame.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/seeds-trump-s-victory-were-sown-moment-obama-won-ncna811891
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 10:02:07 AM
My kid plays a shootem’ up game on ps4 where there is never ending supply of zombies wandering around the streets slowly walking toward him that he has to avoid or kill, but there are always more coming, even after he kills them they re-generate and start walking towards him again.  This game is like being a conservative in the pit, I opened this thread up this morning and find that there is one on-topic response from stud poster FSD  and then like 4 or 5 zombies milling around the thread talking about other stuff 
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
My post was on topic
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: chum1 on October 21, 2017, 10:11:18 AM
Sorry for trying to help out your boring ass one response thread, dude.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 10:27:23 AM
 :Wha:
My post was on topic

Yes it was 7, I was just surprised you were a pub voting establishment type
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 10:53:30 AM
If you vote ‘pub every election and like that President Silverbacks agenda isn’t getting passed, then post in this thread.

If you are a Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Karl Rove, John McCain, W. Type then say so and I will commence WAR with you!

I don’t even think people like this exist outside the beltway.

Not a Republican, but I believe that establishment types are largely on-board with his agenda. They just don't like how dotard is handling himself.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 21, 2017, 01:10:41 PM
My kid plays a shootem’ up game on ps4 where there is never ending supply of zombies wandering around the streets slowly walking toward him that he has to avoid or kill, but there are always more coming, even after he kills them they re-generate and start walking towards him again.  This game is like being a conservative in the pit, I opened this thread up this morning and find that there is one on-topic response from stud poster FSD  and then like 4 or 5 zombies milling around the thread talking about other stuff

I know exactly what you mean fellow stud cat27. My daughter has one of those dolls with the pull string on the back. She pulls the string and out comes a mindless phrase. After you pull it 5 times the phrases start over. It's very similar to the non-conservative morons that seemingly reside in the pit.

Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 21, 2017, 07:36:53 PM
I compare it to playing whack-a-mole. That probably dates me a bit.

I can't answer the question because I'm not an establishment type. The last time I even donated was Romney. I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 07:43:07 PM
I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 21, 2017, 08:03:40 PM
I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 21, 2017, 08:08:48 PM
Gotta agree, Ryan is the biggest weasel we've had in forever
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Conservative populism is so money (swingers)
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 08:58:36 PM
I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.

I guess my thought is, from a democrat, this is a whole new conservative idea. An un-American one.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.

I guess my thought is, from a democrat, this is a whole new conservative idea. An un-American one.

How so?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 09:18:26 PM
I don't think I know a single person who is happy with the "establishment" GOP like Ryan or McConnell.

Does that mean you think the alternative is better?

Which alternative? Cruz's conservatism? Absolutely. Trump's populism? The answer is still yes.

I guess my thought is, from a democrat, this is a whole new conservative idea. An un-American one.

How so?

Conservatism, in my mind, is about lesser government and personal responsibilty. A sound idea. Trump and Bannonites are about apartheid.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 09:22:59 PM
False
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
On what grounds?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 09:31:11 PM
On what grounds?

The apartheid horsecrap
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
On what grounds?

The apartheid horsecrap

Let's pretend to forget that. What is it that the Trump/Bannon agenda push that the "establishment" types don't that you so resonate with?

I think this is an important question considering the ongiong discord.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 09:46:49 PM
Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces.

Thank you for your response. I too hate those multi-national corp effs. I guess I think Trump has held foreign goverments/allies more accountable. I'm concerned as to if this is for the greater good of the country.

However, I don't believe that the good outweighs the bad.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
What bad
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 10:04:09 PM
Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

This supports my argument for a third party. Sounds like Trump is the Republicans version of Bernie.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2017, 11:04:37 PM
Romney is p establishment kdub
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: mocat on October 21, 2017, 11:15:46 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 21, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
True representation of pubs tho, just look at how much kdub loves trump
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:26:11 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: chum1 on October 21, 2017, 11:32:07 PM
Interesting that a lot Trump voters don't know he ran purely as a publicity stunt and actually gives zero fucks about helping anyone.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

Would you explain how how this would benefit all of us Americans?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:35:23 PM
Interesting that a lot Trump voters don't know he ran purely as a publicity stunt and actually gives zero fucks about helping anyone.

Horseshit, but you know that
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:40:10 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

Would you explain how how this would benefit all of us Americans?

Setting policy that encourages corporate investment in the U.S. bringing jobs, higher wages, and a robust economy.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: mocat on October 21, 2017, 11:42:57 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.
Why would I want a bat in my ass
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:44:30 PM
It’s already there
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 11:49:19 PM
I would have voted so hard for jeb or even the hot tub bc they are real people with feelings and brains and coherent thought. Sucks that the worst imaginable human being won the pub primary :(

interesting that a lot of you don’t know who has been rough ridin' you over and who has come along in unprecedented historic fashion to take the bat out of your collective asses.

Trump populism’s goal is to un-game the system to the benefit of all Americans.  Establishment politicians have sold our people out to foreign governments and multi-national corporations.  They are fuckfaces and are fighting him tooth and nail.

Would you explain how how this would benefit all of us Americans?

Setting policy that encourages corporate investment in the U.S. bringing jobs, higher wages, and a robust economy.

Manufacturing jobs? Do you think they can be brought back?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:54:42 PM
With the right policy in place, sure why not
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 21, 2017, 11:57:52 PM
With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 21, 2017, 11:59:21 PM
Yes I mentioned policy changes
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:00:09 AM
Trade war?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 12:02:40 AM
With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.

Allowing this, is how we got where we are
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:03:30 AM
With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.

Allowing this, is how we got where we are

Allowing what?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: SdK on October 22, 2017, 12:20:01 AM
With the right policy in place, sure why not

You can't compete. 35k a year for an American or $10 a day for a Filipino kid.

Allowing this, is how we got where we are

Allowing what?
Capitalism
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: mocat on October 22, 2017, 12:30:25 AM
It’s already there
Why would I want it there
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2017, 12:35:10 AM
Just admit you have a bat in your anal cavity
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2017, 08:38:13 AM
The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.

Perhaps it seems that way to you, but this didn't start with Trump. You could trace this all the back to the rise of the militant left in the late 60s, but I would peg the more recent breakdown in our civil discourse to Bubba's sordid behavior in the WH. This happens to be when alternatives to the big 3 news outlets really took off, particularly websites like Drudge Report, which broke several aspects of the Lewinsky affair that would have likely otherwise been buried.

This led to impeachment, which made the liberals super embarrassed and angry. And then GWB "stole" the election (he didn't) which made the liberals even angrier. And then 9/11 happened and the country rallied behind GWB, which made the liberals even angrier and frustrated. And then the Iraq war (which most Dems supported) went bad, and the Dems seized their opportunity. And then came Obama, who was way more liberal, partisan and divisive than any other president to date, pushing the country left on divisive social issues, which made the conservatives and blue collar people angry. And now comes Trump, who has not only sharply swung the pendulum back the other way, but won an absolutely gob smackingly shocking victory, breaking the brains of many liberals (I expound at length about this in the Trump Presidency thread).

So, this is been going on for some time, and put this divisiveness squarely on Trump is more than a little unfair. Liberals hysteria and radicalism bears most of the blame. After all, the very essence of "progressivism" is to promote a shift in society. You don't think that sort of change is divisive?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: mocat on October 22, 2017, 08:49:03 AM
Amaze
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: puniraptor on October 22, 2017, 09:44:59 AM
Interesting that a lot Trump voters don't know he ran purely as a publicity stunt and actually gives zero fucks about helping anyone.

Horseshit, but you know that
He doesn't care about being President. He just wanted to be the biggest celebrity in the world and found a way to do it.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.

Perhaps it seems that way to you, but this didn't start with Trump. You could trace this all the back to the rise of the militant left in the late 60s, but I would peg the more recent breakdown in our civil discourse to Bubba's sordid behavior in the WH. This happens to be when alternatives to the big 3 news outlets really took off, particularly websites like Drudge Report, which broke several aspects of the Lewinsky affair that would have likely otherwise been buried.

This led to impeachment, which made the liberals super embarrassed and angry. And then GWB "stole" the election (he didn't) which made the liberals even angrier. And then 9/11 happened and the country rallied behind GWB, which made the liberals even angrier and frustrated. And then the Iraq war (which most Dems supported) went bad, and the Dems seized their opportunity. And then came Obama, who was way more liberal, partisan and divisive than any other president to date, pushing the country left on divisive social issues, which made the conservatives and blue collar people angry. And now comes Trump, who has not only sharply swung the pendulum back the other way, but won an absolutely gob smackingly shocking victory, breaking the brains of many liberals (I expound at length about this in the Trump Presidency thread).

So, this is been going on for some time, and put this divisiveness squarely on Trump is more than a little unfair. Liberals hysteria and radicalism bears most of the blame. After all, the very essence of "progressivism" is to promote a shift in society. You don't think that sort of change is divisive?

This. Divisiveness is the most coherent plank of the democrat party.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 10:47:25 AM
The country seems more divided than I can ever remember in my lifetime. Not to mention breaking traditional rules (i.e. emoluments clause and releasing tax returns). Could create a bad precedent for future presidents. Also, weakening our alliances. The threat of nuclear war.

Perhaps it seems that way to you, but this didn't start with Trump. You could trace this all the back to the rise of the militant left in the late 60s, but I would peg the more recent breakdown in our civil discourse to Bubba's sordid behavior in the WH. This happens to be when alternatives to the big 3 news outlets really took off, particularly websites like Drudge Report, which broke several aspects of the Lewinsky affair that would have likely otherwise been buried.

This led to impeachment, which made the liberals super embarrassed and angry. And then GWB "stole" the election (he didn't) which made the liberals even angrier. And then 9/11 happened and the country rallied behind GWB, which made the liberals even angrier and frustrated. And then the Iraq war (which most Dems supported) went bad, and the Dems seized their opportunity. And then came Obama, who was way more liberal, partisan and divisive than any other president to date, pushing the country left on divisive social issues, which made the conservatives and blue collar people angry. And now comes Trump, who has not only sharply swung the pendulum back the other way, but won an absolutely gob smackingly shocking victory, breaking the brains of many liberals (I expound at length about this in the Trump Presidency thread).

So, this is been going on for some time, and put this divisiveness squarely on Trump is more than a little unfair. Liberals hysteria and radicalism bears most of the blame. After all, the very essence of "progressivism" is to promote a shift in society. You don't think that sort of change is divisive?

Interesting take. First, you seem to suggest 24/7 news networks are bad but then seem to appreciate their efforts in the Clinton scandal. I despise them. I think they create alot of hysteria that isn't necessary.

I'm curious why you view Obama as a partisan. Pot meet kettle. Am I right?

Trump seems to be initiating culture wars. Obama responded to catastrophes in a way you might not like but he wasn't instigating the issue.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
Obama is and always will be the most partisan pos president this country has ever seen. It took Trump like 6 mos to abandon the pubs and start working with the dems. B.O. was constantly running down anyone who opposed his wtf failure of an agenda.

Don't conflate leftist propoganda with reality (eg, the wall is racist, trump is a white supremacist, trump peed on a russian hooker, etc). Good grief libtards are libtarded.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 10:59:33 AM
Obama is and always will be the most partisan pos president this country has ever seen. It took Trump like 6 mos to abandon the pubs and start working with the dems. B.O. was constantly running down anyone who opposed his wtf failure of an agenda.

Don't conflate leftist propoganda with reality (eg, the wall is racist, trump is a white supremacist, trump peed on a russian hooker, etc). Good grief libtards are libtarded.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azquotes.com%2Fpicture-quotes%2Fquote-the-single-most-important-thing-we-want-to-achieve-is-for-president-obama-to-be-a-one-mitch-mcconnell-89-14-07.jpg&hash=d260a78d5ffc869f9d080e80ee406a439cd857a8)

Working across the aisle, clearly.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 22, 2017, 12:00:41 PM
Interesting take. First, you seem to suggest 24/7 news networks are bad but then seem to appreciate their efforts in the Clinton scandal. I despise them. I think they create alot of hysteria that isn't necessary.

Diversification of the media has been both good and bad. Much of cable news and internet news is blather, but so is and was much of network news and traditional print media. The fact that we live in a news saturated society does stoke "divisiveness" but I would obviously prefer that to the liberal stranglehold of the MSM.

I'm curious why you view Obama as a partisan. Pot meet kettle. Am I right?

Trump seems to be initiating culture wars. Obama responded to catastrophes in a way you might not like but he wasn't instigating the issue.

Obama was massively partisan and the most liberal president in history. He often stoked racial tension by frequently wading into police shooting cases - and getting it wrong. From Trevon Martin to Ferguson to that Georgetown  professor. He engaged in massive abuse of the administrative state from IRS targeting to EPA overreach to the DOE's "advice" on same sex locker rooms to Eric Holder's "justice" department's selective enforcement of laws to wholesale disregard of immigration law. I could go on. And his sole legislative "achievement" is a piece of crap healthcare law that was rammed through without a single republican vote. Partisan? Absolutely.

Again, if you want to know where divisiveness comes from, look in the mirror. Ask yourself what being a "progressive" is all about. You may think the change you are working for is worthy, but that doesn't mean it isn't divisive. And the complete mental meltdown in response to Trump is extremely divisive. Granted, Trump deliberately contributes by trolling the libs, and I can't really blame him - I'd troll the libs to my political advantage, too.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:15:12 PM
Interesting take. First, you seem to suggest 24/7 news networks are bad but then seem to appreciate their efforts in the Clinton scandal. I despise them. I think they create alot of hysteria that isn't necessary.

Diversification of the media has been both good and bad. Much of cable news and internet news is blather, but so is and was much of network news and traditional print media. The fact that we live in a news saturated society does stoke "divisiveness" but I would obviously prefer that to the liberal stranglehold of the MSM.

I'm curious why you view Obama as a partisan. Pot meet kettle. Am I right?

Trump seems to be initiating culture wars. Obama responded to catastrophes in a way you might not like but he wasn't instigating the issue.

Obama was massively partisan and the most liberal president in history. He often stoked racial tension by frequently wading into police shooting cases - and getting it wrong. From Trevon Martin to Ferguson to that Georgetown  professor. He engaged in massive abuse of the administrative state from IRS targeting to EPA overreach to the DOE's "advice" on same sex locker rooms to Eric Holder's "justice" department's selective enforcement of laws to wholesale disregard of immigration law. I could go on. And his sole legislative "achievement" is a piece of crap healthcare law that was rammed through without a single republican vote. Partisan? Absolutely.

Again, if you want to know where divisiveness comes from, look in the mirror. Ask yourself what being a "progressive" is all about. You may think the change you are working for is worthy, but that doesn't mean it isn't divisive. And the complete mental meltdown in response to Trump is extremely divisive. Granted, Trump deliberately contributes by trolling the libs, and I can't really blame him - I'd troll the libs to my political advantage, too.

I think you mean the Harvard professor. How was that handled in a partisan manner? He had beer with the home owner and the arresting officer.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 12:20:24 PM
Bucket, I think you are a good dude with different views, but you are exhibiting zombie tendencies in this thread.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:21:01 PM
Bucket, I think you are a good dude with different views, but you are exhibiting zombie tendencies in this thread.

 :confused:
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 12:31:30 PM
You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:37:37 PM
You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.

Actually, I feel like you've explained your idea of conservatism more in this thread than in any other thread. I would like for you to explain more. Again, I feel like the Trump/Bannon idea of conservatism is different than anything we've ever seen. I'm trying to better grasp your ideals. I still haven't heard from you how we bring back manufacturing jobs. What policies could possibly do that. I would strongly support that, but I don't think it's feasible.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.

Actually, I feel like you've explained your idea of conservatism more in this thread than in any other thread. I would like for you to explain more. Again, I feel like the Trump/Bannon idea of conservatism is different than anything we've ever seen. I'm trying to better grasp your ideals. I still haven't heard from you how we bring back manufacturing jobs. What policies could possibly do that. I would strongly support that, but I don't think it's feasible.

It is, I’m just not in to writing long posts about it, I would encourage you to watch Trump campaign speeches in the rust belt, then look for articles about Trump POLICY from people that are not spending every waking hour trying to destroy him.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2017, 12:49:24 PM
The rise of the militant left lol, what a scary boogeyman kdub has invented lol
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 12:53:45 PM
You keep asking for people to explain conservative or populist concepts that everybody already knows about, if you really don’t know then do some reading on your own,  we’re not teaching intro to conservatism in this thread, sheesh.

Actually, I feel like you've explained your idea of conservatism more in this thread than in any other thread. I would like for you to explain more. Again, I feel like the Trump/Bannon idea of conservatism is different than anything we've ever seen. I'm trying to better grasp your ideals. I still haven't heard from you how we bring back manufacturing jobs. What policies could possibly do that. I would strongly support that, but I don't think it's feasible.

It is, I’m just not in to writing long posts about it, I would encourage you to watch Trump campaign speeches in the rust belt, then look for articles about Trump POLICY from people that are not spending every waking hour trying to destroy him.

I haven't seen or heard any actual policy. I just hear how he is the best at everything. I don't put my trust in him so I cannot believe that. Show me policy. Articulate how it will work. I have seen nothing.

So far, what I have seen from Trump is he wants the congress and senate to produce and then he'll sign it. That's the biggest complaint about him, in my opinion, is that he can't sell the deal because he doesn't know anything about it (i.e. health care, Iran deal, etc.). Republicans need him to further sell the deal but he has proven incapable of doing that. He may be in a rare position to talk about tax reform but the initial proposal doesn't benefit his base it benefits the elites.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 01:16:46 PM
Ok I’ll give you the bullet points but I’m not spending all day on detail.

1. Tax reform, and it’s mainly about corporate taxes to encourage business in America that means jobs and wages for Americans

2. Clearing some of the more silly regulation

3.  Ultimately replacing Obamacare with something that will work for a larger % of Americans,  nothing will work for all Americans until we get more jobs and higher wages. 

4. Immigration, our country is inefficient right now because we don’t have enough people working and our wage growth at the middle to bottom has been stagnant.  Until we get back that efficiency, there is very little reason to allow more people in legally or illegally.

5. Drain the swamp (politicians bought off by lobbyists to work for companies and against the people.)

Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
Ok I’ll give you the bullet points but I’m not spending all day on detail.

1. Tax reform, and it’s mainly about corporate taxes to encourage business in America that means jobs and wages for Americans

2. Clearing some of the more silly regulation

3.  Ultimately replacing Obamacare with something that will work for a larger % of Americans,  nothing will work for all Americans until we get more jobs and higher wages. 

4. Immigration, our country is inefficient right now because we don’t have enough people working and our wage growth at the middle to bottom has been stagnant.  Until we get back that efficiency, there is very little reason to allow more people in legally or illegally.

5. Drain the swamp (politicians bought off by lobbyists to work for companies and against the people.)

Again, thank you for your response.

Bullet point #1. I don't see how this creates more manufacturing jobs. I believe during the bailout or some other time companies just pocketed the money as opposed to hiring more people and creating good paying jobs. Trickle down economics has proven to be a joke, imo.

Bullet point #2. I'm weary of this because of the Great Recession and the 60 minutes expose' on the pharmaceutical industry.

Bullet point #3. Again, we're in agreement. However, our approach to this may be different. Democrats believe it needs fixed but don't want to abandon it. Republicans want to abandon it. However, there was a bi-partisan proposal that I believe Trump was onboard with.

Bullet point #4. Unemployment is at a very low level. However, I think we agree that higher paying jobs are needed. Sadly with the flow of manufacturing jobs leaving the country people are forced into lower paying customer service posititons. I want the country to focus on innovative job creation while Republicans are wanting to bring back manufacturing jobs which I don't believe is realistic and haven't heard anything to change that belief.

Bullet point #5. Should be and is a bi-partisan issue. Tongue in cheek, drain the swamp.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2017, 01:42:52 PM
i think we can remove #5 from the trump agenda, he's shown pretty clearly he has no interest in doing this and was just lying to get votes.

i guess you could probably remove #4 too since he already admitted to mexico that immigration isn't really a big deal for him

probably should remove #3 too cause he has no idea what is going on and has no interest in being a leader on that subject.

#1 and 2 so far he's shown he only wants to help the dreaded "elites"
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: mocat on October 22, 2017, 01:49:07 PM
man i had no idea (maybe i just forgot?) KSUW is a big time fan of George Zimmerman
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 22, 2017, 01:49:58 PM
man i had no idea (maybe i just forgot?) KSUW is a big time fan of George Zimmerman

i think we both know why
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 01:51:21 PM
I think what may be important is the similar concerns despite the divisiveness.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: treysolid on October 22, 2017, 02:13:15 PM
1. Tax reform, and it’s mainly about corporate taxes to encourage business in America that means jobs and wages for Americans

Yes, I seem to remember KS having incredible success with this
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
1. Tax reform, and it’s mainly about corporate taxes to encourage business in America that means jobs and wages for Americans

Yes, I seem to remember KS having incredible success with this

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/12/tax-reform-in-washington-and-kansas-are-not-same-learned-from-kansas-mistakes-and-made-it-better.html

They're not the same, Trey.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: treysolid on October 22, 2017, 05:42:33 PM
1. Tax reform, and it’s mainly about corporate taxes to encourage business in America that means jobs and wages for Americans

Yes, I seem to remember KS having incredible success with this

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/12/tax-reform-in-washington-and-kansas-are-not-same-learned-from-kansas-mistakes-and-made-it-better.html

They're not the same, Trey.

Businesses are not obligated to create additional jobs or increase worker salaries just because they have more cash on hand. If recent history is any indicator, it's that that money is more likely to go toward more M&A, higher C-level bonuses, stock buybacks or larger dividends.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 06:00:10 PM
Are you calling Kansas congress woman, Lynn Jenkins a liar?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: treysolid on October 22, 2017, 06:07:01 PM
Are you calling Kansas congress woman, Lynn Jenkins a liar?

either that or she's ignorant.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 06:13:29 PM
The "trickle down economics does not work" is a very lol libtard echo chamber talking point
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: chum1 on October 22, 2017, 06:26:00 PM
If only there was a way to know whether or not it works. Maybe if we pray to Jesus enough, he will tell us.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: bucket on October 22, 2017, 06:44:02 PM
The "trickle down economics does not work" is a very lol libtard echo chamber talking point

FSD you've only proven yourself capable of calling people Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). You've contributed nothing of substance. Care to explain yourself here for a change?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: The Big Train on October 22, 2017, 07:05:06 PM
That’s a lot to ask of FSD
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 09:22:01 PM
Shut up, racists.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 09:22:43 PM
Substantive enough?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: SdK on October 22, 2017, 09:31:31 PM
Shut up, racists.
Ok, libtard.
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 22, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: SdK on October 22, 2017, 10:28:50 PM
:D
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 11:04:05 PM
New show on Fox the next revolution w/ Steve Hilton is talking about populism vs elitism
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: gatoveintisiete on October 22, 2017, 11:47:55 PM
Disregard it’s a dumb show
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: treysolid on October 23, 2017, 04:10:27 PM
If only there was a way to know whether or not it works. Maybe if we pray to Jesus enough, he will tell us.

We've only accumulated 5 decades of evidence. I don't think you can call it either way, ya know?
Title: Re: I wanna hear from ‘pub establishment types
Post by: star seed 7 on October 23, 2017, 04:12:39 PM
Disregard it’s a dumb show

Which serial sexual assualter did he take over for?