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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: bucket on October 19, 2017, 09:14:48 PM
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I've heard talks of the need for more than two parties. It actually made a lot of sense to me. Still does.
Seems like this is the perfect time to introduce that idea.
It seems like the Freedom Caucus aligns most with Trump. They always hated Boehner. Boehner and his ilk seem to hate Trump.
I'm a 3.5/7. Any other thoughts?
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Bro, do you even pit? I’ve been pushing for a legit third party since the last election cycle.
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Right now most disillusioned voters like myself lean Libertarian. It’s not perfect but the next best thing.
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I’m like a 1.5. Go Chiefs.
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Would like to see Bernie make a run at this next time
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Since my party affiliation has been discussed I think it's pretty well established that having just two parties is stupid.
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I feel like alot of the pubs' want to break away from Trump. However, he's not only empowering a whole base but they're already there, in the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party. I see a Freedom Caucus/Tea Party group, Moderates (who every previous President has campaigned towards the past few elections), and a liberal/progessive party.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
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I want 5 parties. Gotta have 3 before 5 though.
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I want 5 parties. Gotta have 3 before 5 though.
What would their names be?
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A true third party won’t be realistic until it is more normal for people to get involved in politics at both the local and national level. I think it could happen in 20-30 years but not much earlier.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
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Obviously the Silverbacks would be one
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
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I want 5 parties. Gotta have 3 before 5 though.
What would their names be?
I'd have to think on that for a bit. Three is still too limiting.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
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I want 5 parties. Gotta have 3 before 5 though.
What would their names be?
I'd have to think on that for a bit. Three is still too limiting.
If you haven't defined(named) them how do you know you want 5?
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I could see some democrats joining the moderate/republican party.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
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We don't even have two, just the illusion of it.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
So we don't have super racist losers against democrats.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
If you want Graham and McCain, you can have them, but what I think you aren’t factoring in is that the people we are talking about wouldn’t have got elected without the bogus R they put by their name
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If this party constantly evolves on issues of gay rights, I know just the guy. He's a proven loser, but imbeciles are easily swooned by him.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
If you want Graham and McCain, you can have them, but what I think you aren’t factoring in is that the people we are talking about wouldn’t have got elected without the bogus R they put by their name
Sounds like you're supporting the OP. There should be a third party?
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
If you want Graham and McCain, you can have them, but what I think you aren’t factoring in is that the people we are talking about wouldn’t have got elected without the bogus R they put by their name
Sounds like you're supporting the OP. There should be a third party?
I support you and like minded individuals going for it, but personally I favor Trump cleaning up the pubs. Trumps platform couldn’t be better from my perspective.
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Give me 3 current serving senators from your prospective new party
Moderate or Tea Party/Freedom Caucus Party?
Oh, I thought you were combining those groups for a party, that’s why I was interested
I feel like the Republican party is splitting. Tom Cotton is taking it one way while Rob Portman and Richard Burr are keeping it more moderate. I see the Republican party splitting into two separate parties.
I think that the pubs have some closet crats and bought and paid for types in their ranks right now, Bannon will probably put a dent in that in the midterms. After that the rest should straighten up or be removed in the following election.
I think we disagree on the specifics, but I feel like that's the new, third party. AKA Moderates.
Why would anybody want them, they’re losers
If you want Graham and McCain, you can have them, but what I think you aren’t factoring in is that the people we are talking about wouldn’t have got elected without the bogus R they put by their name
Sounds like you're supporting the OP. There should be a third party?
I support you you and like minded individuals going for it, but personally I favor Trump cleaning up the pubs. Trumps platform couldn’t be better from my perspective.
Fair. I'd prefer for people to be able to pick someone from between the two extremes of the spectrum.
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The current election system will not allow 3 parties. I think it's possible to replace one of the 2 parties tho
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Or consume from within and occupy the skin.
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The current election system will not allow 3 parties. I think it's possible to replace one of the 2 parties tho
Is this not our country's best chance to see a third party in our lifetime?
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I thought last election was the optimal time, but there are mechanisms specifically designed to squash third parties that have nothing to do with our electoral system. For example, the presidential debates are private. If you are not a Democrat or Republican, you’re not even allowed on stage unless you poll at something like 15%. Last time that happened was (surprise surprise) when Ross Perot was allowed to debate on stage. And he was not pulling nearly that high leading up to the debates.
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I thought last election was the optimal time, but there are mechanisms specifically designed to squash third parties that have nothing to do with our electoral system. For example, the presidential debates are private. If you are not a Democrat or Republican, you’re not even allowed on stage unless you poll at something like 15%. Last time that happened was (surprise surprise) when Ross Perot was allowed to debate on stage. And he was not pulling nearly that high leading up to the debates.
I understand that. I'm strictly looking at the state of the Republican party as it currently stands. They want/need to break away from Trump. However, he has a strong base who could support their own third party (e.g. Freedom Caucus/Tea Party).
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Funny thing is though the Dems are the party in shambles with no visible Presidential prospect. They have moved too far left and Trumps platform is frankly mainstream.
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Funny thing is though the Dems are the party in shambles with no visible Presidential prospect. They have moved too far left and Trumps platform is frankly mainstream.
:lol:
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Funny thing is though the Dems are the party in shambles with no visible Presidential prospect. They have moved too far left and Trumps platform is frankly mainstream.
:lol:
Without getting hysteric or hyperbolic, share just the things you disagree with in my last post and why,
I sincerely am interested
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Funny thing is though the Dems are the party in shambles with no visible Presidential prospect. They have moved too far left and Trumps platform is frankly mainstream.
:lol:
Without getting hysteric or hyperbolic, share just the things you disagree with in my last post and why,
I sincerely am interested
I find it funny when you see the democratic party in shambles when the people from the president's own party are turning on him. The president supporting opponents of republicans in the congress and senate. I don't recall ever seeing it.
Again, I see the Republican party breaking apart and this is why I believe this is the best chance for a third party to emerge in our lifetime.
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We talked about the faux pubs, but who leads the crat party and what policy are they pushing that gets bipartisan or mainstream support?
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Cruz will restore conservatives. Berne will destroy Demz.
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Stacked rankee voting is a good legit way to break up the two party system....so don't ever expect to see it.
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Breaking Up the United States
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Would probably be for the best.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
I think as more and more people become disenchanted with the traditional parties it obviously creates an opening. Personally, I'd rather reform the GOP to be more conservative. I'm fine with two main parties as long as we have a robust system of primary elections and primary debates. Both are badly in need of an overhaul. The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
Of course, I'd be great with the Dems dividing into socialist and crony-capitalist parties because that would spell electoral doom for all liberals. And that's why both parties' retain much of their strength: the knowledge that failing to close ranks will only benefit the other party.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
What issues did you have with the debates?
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
What issues did you have with the debates?
The questions and format were not designed to elicit substantive debate. Far too many questions were, frankly, a silly waste of time. They were also designed to encourage infra-fighting as opposed to focusing on which candidate could most effectively ecisverate the Dems.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
What issues did you have with the debates?
The questions and format were not designed to elicit substantive debate. Far too many questions were, frankly, a silly waste of time. They were also designed to encourage infra-fighting as opposed to focusing on which candidate could most effectively ecisverate the Dems.
Presidential debates or nominee debates? I don't think the issue was so much the questions as Trump's answers had no substance.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
What issues did you have with the debates?
The questions and format were not designed to elicit substantive debate. Far too many questions were, frankly, a silly waste of time. They were also designed to encourage infra-fighting as opposed to focusing on which candidate could most effectively ecisverate the Dems.
Presidential debates or nominee debates? I don't think the issue was so much the questions as Trump's answers had no substance.
Primary debates.
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Practically speaking, we already have more than two parties. Both parties have multiple factions. Instead of a parliamentary system where two or more parties must coelesce to form a majority government, we winnow the various factions through a more elaborate system of primary elections, but that really isn't that dissimilar.
"Principled conservatives" (i.e. non-pragmatic) and "moderate Republicans" (i.e. all in favor of big government as long as they're in power) are butthurt because Trump's populist faction won, but that won't always be the case.
Socialists are butthurt that the Dems rigged the primary to defeat their choice, and they have every right to be pissed about that. But they fail to realize that Bernie would lose the general in a McGovern style landslide.
Sounds like we're in agreement. So the question is, is this not the best opportunity for a third party in our lifetime?
The GOP should start by ditching the main networks altogether when it comes to debates, and moving the early primaries to the true battleground states.
What issues did you have with the debates?
The questions and format were not designed to elicit substantive debate. Far too many questions were, frankly, a silly waste of time. They were also designed to encourage infra-fighting as opposed to focusing on which candidate could most effectively ecisverate the Dems.
Presidential debates or nominee debates? I don't think the issue was so much the questions as Trump's answers had no substance.
Primary debates.
Ya, probably shooting for ratings. It was entertaining though. Considering that Trump still couldn't answer basic questions.
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The third party is there for the taking. It's the Donald/Bernie economic isolationist model with a smattering of special interest lip service. It's actually more substantive from a policy perspective than the DNC.
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https://twitter.com/TheRynheart/status/926597942575796224
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https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/935970270048866304
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unfortunately there is about a 90% participation rate in my team v. your team. too few moderates like myself, lsoc, etc. to start anything centrist.
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I will come back to this thread after all the baby boomers are dead.
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On one hand, the Donald Trumps and Roy Moores of the world have absolutely nothing in common with the GOP leaders that I can remember in my lifetime. On the other, the Donald Trumps and Roy Moores of the the world definitely seem like they were always part of the GOP that I remember, it's just that they were previously always in the background, not at the forefront.
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not a third party, but it seems to me like a pretty likely prediction for the direction of post trump 'publicanism.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/democrats-economic-populism/559199/
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The third party is there for the taking. It's the Donald/Bernie economic isolationist model with a smattering of special interest lip service. It's actually more substantive from a policy perspective than the DNC.
This was spot on. The evolving third party is the evolving pub party.
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I will come back to this thread after all the baby boomers are dead.
:curse: rough ridin' ungrateful, disrespectful, spoiled millennial! :curse:
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1231307682881077254
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Come up someone better than Trump and Karl Sanders.
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I’d certainly vote for any number of Dem candidates other than Bernie or Trump. Wish the pubs had the backbone to run someone.
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Come up someone better than Trump and Karl Sanders.
The post wasn't about my dissatisfaction with the dem candidates. I thought it was another fantastic tweet by Justin. He would actually be a strong third candidate. He would do better than Ross Perot.
I think he's proven that people like him for more than just being conservative.
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Come up someone better than Trump and Karl Sanders.
I am starting to feel the Been.
Do I really think he will be effective in implementing effective policies? No
Would it be an absolute pleasure to watch Dax defend perpetual butthurt con nation immediately adopt the Bern man Bad position?
Yes, yes it would.
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I've voted third party the last two elections because I make it a practice to not vote against my own interests, to carry water for people who don't know me or give a crap about me. Probably won't this time.
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I've voted third party the last two elections because I make it a practice to not vote against my own interests, to carry water for people who don't know me or give a crap about me. Probably won't this time.
:thumbs:
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1231307682881077254
bucket, you could have posted this in my 3rd party thread. What gives, man?
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https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1231307682881077254
bucket, you could have posted this in my 3rd party thread. What gives, man?
I didn't realize there were two 3rd party threads.