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Title: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2017, 10:09:05 PM
We should go all in on Skylar at this point. Team simply isn't shaping out like anyone hoped. Sky is the future.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pett on October 07, 2017, 10:32:33 PM
delton has zero touch on his ball. yes please to sky. at least keep the defense honest
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 07, 2017, 10:34:56 PM
I think Delton could be a dece passer. We kinda put him into a tough position today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2017, 10:35:47 PM
I think Delton could be a dece passer. We kinda put him into a tough position today.
I agree. I'm curious to see what he's got.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
Delton has a good arm but bad decision making I think. The coaches obviously do not trust him to throw it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on October 07, 2017, 11:18:41 PM
Delton has a good arm but bad decision making I think. The coaches obviously do not trust him to throw it.

Yeah, the 2nd and 23rd was pretty telling.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 08, 2017, 12:05:35 AM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 08, 2017, 12:23:00 AM
Delton has a good arm but bad decision making I think. The coaches obviously do not trust him to throw it.

Yeah, the 2nd and 23rd was pretty telling.

Ertz had a laughably bad throw to a wide open guy in the first half IIRC, and Delton's incompletions weren't any worse than that one. At this point I'm 80% all-in on "He Who Smelton" Delton
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on October 08, 2017, 12:24:30 AM
Delton has a good arm but bad decision making I think. The coaches obviously do not trust him to throw it.

Yeah, the 2nd and 23rd was pretty telling.

Ertz had a laughably bad throw to a wide open guy in the first half IIRC, and Delton's incompletions weren't any worse than that one. At this point I'm 80% all-in on "He Who Smelton" Delton

I am in agreement with you on this one.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 08, 2017, 12:32:23 AM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 08, 2017, 12:44:04 AM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.


dem Gruntley YACs tho :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 08, 2017, 09:44:16 AM
Ertz should still play if he's healthy. But if not we should focus on the future instead of just running Delton until we're in 3rd and long and then scratching our heads. This is shaping up to be 2013 Waters/Sams all over again.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on October 08, 2017, 12:08:28 PM
Delton should get the same opportunity as his predecessors to ruin his body getting 30 carries a game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 09, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
The ball wobbled a lot on Delton's passes. They were on-target for the most part, but the lack of a tight spiral is concerning to me.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 09, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
The ball wobbled a lot on Delton's passes. They were on-target for the most part, but the lack of a tight spiral is concerning to me.
maybe our receivers will catch a wobbly ball?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 09, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Good point. Pringle did it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 09, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: _33 on October 09, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

 And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know


I know how hurt he is, and it's actually worse than the people who are 'in the know' know.  But I wouldn't expect you to know that.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on October 09, 2017, 05:15:39 PM
Why can't Thompson get a look.

Delton looks tiny and there is no zip. 


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 09, 2017, 05:20:43 PM
Time to turn our sights on the future. 

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 09, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 09, 2017, 05:46:49 PM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
It would be really great, if it were possible.  No one can make it through a season much less 3 without being injured. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: slackcat on October 10, 2017, 04:47:09 AM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
It would be really great, if it were possible.  No one can make it through a season much less 3 without being injured. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!



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gonna get out anyway so...........Jesse will get surgery this week on his knee......meniscus tear. Hopefully 2-3 weeks out but I wouldn't bet on that. Should be ready by end of season or bowl game in my opinion. Delton will be the starter going forward. Jesse is a warrior I know he will rehab like hell to get back and lead his team.

d-tyme right again.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 10, 2017, 08:26:12 AM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
It would be really great, if it were possible.  No one can make it through a season much less 3 without being injured. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!


D-tyme, do......do you manually type that signature in every time? :surprised:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
It would be really great, if it were possible.  No one can make it through a season much less 3 without being injured. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!


D-tyme, do......do you manually type that signature in every time? :surprised:

No, it’s in my signature.  And I can confirm that information, couldn’t say anything to protect my sources.  Ya’ll know how it is.  Feel sorry for Jesse, talk about bad luck.  Excited for Alex, but then I remember that Dimel calls the plays and depression sets in. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 09:16:10 AM
Dtyme is a tapatalk'r
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
We desperately need a QB we can trust to throw the ball and receivers who can catch. Really not sure what to expect from Delton, but I'm excited for the game regardless. That's something I just can't help about Cats football.

That said, to stay on topic I seriously hope we get away from the Hubener school of thought and put in Sky if Delton is not settling down and making good throws after the next game or two.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2017, 09:29:21 AM
Dtyme is a tapatalk'r

Bingo. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 11:47:56 AM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?

Well, he was hurt going into the game and they planned on splitting snaps with Alex to help him out.  In no way is Jesse a bad person nor being selfish, in fact quite the opposite.  He has played thru a lot and as hard as anyone on the team or in the country.  Couldn’t have more bad luck with injuries and the way his playing career has gone, but he still gives his all. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pissclams on October 10, 2017, 12:48:17 PM
yeah, the coaches need to decide if a 75% sisco is > 100% delton...you can't put that on ertz
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 12:55:17 PM
or just say im hurt and need to heal, i get being competitive and wanting to play but we need him healthy. im not saying its all on him but players cover up injuries all the time and our training staff and jesse need to get on the same page.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
yeah, the coaches need to decide if a 75% sisco is > 100% delton...you can't put that on ertz

Coaches don’t need to decide anymore.  See slackcats post earlier in this thread.  Only difference is 4-6 weeks, not 2-3. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 10, 2017, 01:01:20 PM
I mean, how great would it be for a good QB (who as far as I can tell should really be the #2) to get a solid 3 years of experience with the offense?
It would be really great, if it were possible.  No one can make it through a season much less 3 without being injured. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!



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gonna get out anyway so...........Jesse will get surgery this week on his knee......meniscus tear. Hopefully 2-3 weeks out but I wouldn't bet on that. Should be ready by end of season or bowl game in my opinion. Delton will be the starter going forward. Jesse is a warrior I know he will rehab like hell to get back and lead his team.

d-tyme right again.

Gracias, wish it wasn’t for the reasons it is for.  Hope Jesse makes it back and shines when he does.  He deserves it. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: slackcat on October 10, 2017, 01:02:32 PM
It truly is Delton-tyme.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?

Holy hell, it's going to be tough for anyone to have a worse hot take than this one, the rest of the week.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 10, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
or just say im hurt and need to heal, i get being competitive and wanting to play but we need him healthy. im not saying its all on him but players cover up injuries all the time and our training staff and jesse need to get on the same page.

I get this, but I'm with the bold part. No good, competitive player is going to think they can't go unless its a major injury. If it really is a meniscus tear, then the pain is odd depending on the cut and the motion. And after watching Ertz trip on his own on that cut, the meniscus tear makes complete sense, especially with how quickly they pulled him.

The biggest mistake was putting him back out there on the last drive. I'm sure he probably doesn't feel much pain on it throwing and he and the staff thought he would give them the better option, but if you already pulled him and after Delton's success, I leave Delton on the field.

This entire thing stinks for Ertz. BTW, I don't pin a meniscus tear as much on the system/staff/QB battering ram. Its more of a freak deal combining an odd plant/cut with wear and tear from use over time.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
or just say im hurt and need to heal, i get being competitive and wanting to play but we need him healthy. im not saying its all on him but players cover up injuries all the time and our training staff and jesse need to get on the same page.

If he were covering up his injury, the staff wouldn't have been getting Delton ready to play all week.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 02:03:35 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?

Holy hell, it's going to be tough for anyone to have a worse hot take than this one, the rest of the week.
werent you just bitching about having opinions on here just yesterday? am i not entitled to mine? you dont have to answer either because i really dont give a crap
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 02:05:50 PM
or just say im hurt and need to heal, i get being competitive and wanting to play but we need him healthy. im not saying its all on him but players cover up injuries all the time and our training staff and jesse need to get on the same page.

I get this, but I'm with the bold part. No good, competitive player is going to think they can't go unless its a major injury. If it really is a meniscus tear, then the pain is odd depending on the cut and the motion. And after watching Ertz trip on his own on that cut, the meniscus tear makes complete sense, especially with how quickly they pulled him.

The biggest mistake was putting him back out there on the last drive. I'm sure he probably doesn't feel much pain on it throwing and he and the staff thought he would give them the better option, but if you already pulled him and after Delton's success, I leave Delton on the field.

This entire thing stinks for Ertz. BTW, I don't pin a meniscus tear as much on the system/staff/QB battering ram. Its more of a freak deal combining an odd plant/cut with wear and tear from use over time.
yeah what you said was worded better than my post, but the second half of the baylor game it was obvious something was wrong
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 10, 2017, 02:13:58 PM
yeah what you said was worded better than my post, but the second half of the baylor game it was obvious something was wrong

True. I just know from experience, meniscus tears can be weird. A lot of it is just how much pain a guy can put up with until it can get fully repaired, but then once in a while they will sort of lock up, which is what I think happened when Ertz fell weirdly.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?

Holy hell, it's going to be tough for anyone to have a worse hot take than this one, the rest of the week.
werent you just bitching about having opinions on here just yesterday? am i not entitled to mine? you dont have to answer either because i really dont give a crap

1. Nope, that was skinben.
2. chill

Calling the dude selfish and an bad person for attempting to play hurt is completely contrary to what football players, especially quarterbacks are taught. Clearly the trainers and the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play, what do you think happens if he declined to play on that circumstance?

It's also worth noting that Delton didn't come in until Sisco's leg gave out on that run and he collapsed when he had 5-10 more yards to gain. They knew how hurt he was and attempted to play him every snap. In football culture the trainers and coaches have to protect the players from the culture they created.

At what point are we going to listen to the several coach/trainer complaints this staff has had?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 02:17:50 PM
yeah what you said was worded better than my post, but the second half of the baylor game it was obvious something was wrong

True. I just know from experience, meniscus tears can be weird. A lot of it is just how much pain a guy can put up with until it can get fully repaired, but then once in a while they will sort of lock up, which is what I think happened when Ertz fell weirdly.

I lost part of my meniscus in my left knee. I tore it but didn't have surgery right away, just continued to play on it. I developed a lot of scar tissue that had to be cut with the part of the meniscus around it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 10, 2017, 02:24:09 PM
yeah what you said was worded better than my post, but the second half of the baylor game it was obvious something was wrong

True. I just know from experience, meniscus tears can be weird. A lot of it is just how much pain a guy can put up with until it can get fully repaired, but then once in a while they will sort of lock up, which is what I think happened when Ertz fell weirdly.

I lost part of my meniscus in my left knee. I tore it but didn't have surgery right away, just continued to play on it. I developed a lot of scar tissue that had to be cut with the part of the meniscus around it.
sarcastic mister know it all
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2017, 02:28:28 PM
Some of the decisions this staff makes regarding playing players with injuries should be NCAA violations, imo.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2017, 02:34:42 PM
Team Sky
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
Haha, he threw the ball well tonight.  Actually went thru his reads.  And didn’t throw it anywhere that it would have had a chance of getting picked.  Jesse however. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!

GTFO, look dude I've already said I think Ertz should sit until he's healed but get the hell outta here if anyone in this wide wide world is confident that Delton could have went 12-18, 224 and 2 TDs. He threw the ball fine, damn you guys are ridiculous.

12-18 thanks to Dalton Gruntley.  One handed catch?  And I’m not saying Jesse didn’t throw the ball well, especially knowing that he is hurt more than a lot of you know, but Delton did not throw he ball that poorly at all.  His worst throw was his 23 yard completion.  And Jesse’s throws are just as much to blame on Dimel as they are him.  He ran a play action on the one that was picked?  Fire Dimel.  He is beyond horrible. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
you wanna expand on that or should i just call ertz an bad person now for being selfish and rough ridin' our team?

Holy hell, it's going to be tough for anyone to have a worse hot take than this one, the rest of the week.
werent you just bitching about having opinions on here just yesterday? am i not entitled to mine? you dont have to answer either because i really dont give a crap

1. Nope, that was skinben.-sorry but it was two days ago,
What the hell does this mean, should I not have a differing opinion? It's a discussion board, stop being weird.
2. chill-gotcha

Calling the dude selfish and an bad person for attempting to play hurt is completely contrary to what football players, especially quarterbacks are taught. Clearly the trainers and the coaches thought he was healthy enough to play, what do you think happens if he declined to play on that circumstance? -I asked for more clarification first and never actually called him those things, i read it as he is hiding the severity of the injury. I played sports and know you do everything you can to stay on the field, i also know there is a price to pay if you stretch your limitations and its not like guys havent lost their job due to injuries at ksu 

It's also worth noting that Delton didn't come in until Sisco's leg gave out on that run and he collapsed when he had 5-10 more yards to gain. They knew how hurt he was and attempted to play him every snap. In football culture the trainers and coaches have to protect the players from the culture they created.- he was fainting goat/rolling around head first the whole 2nd half so something was obviously wrong and i think when he went down like you said it actually snapped. (not a doctor but that is what it looked like)

At what point are we going to listen to the several coach/trainer complaints this staff has had?-im done listening to, well, 1 coach because he is the only one that speaks until ya know he actually starts coaching again and if you dont think he has lost it this year you are blind. he is a talking puppet at this point and the mistakes by this staff are mounting.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Steffy08 on October 10, 2017, 03:49:48 PM
Feel bad for Jesse.  I don't think there is any doubt about his toughness or desire to play.

I wonder if this would help his petition for a 6th year.

I also wonder if his body is telling him he shouldn't keep playing.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 10, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
Feel bad for Jesse.  I don't think there is any doubt about his toughness or desire to play.

I wonder if this would help his petition for a 6th year.

I also wonder if his body is telling him he shouldn't keep playing.

there is no doubt this is def gonna help his petition, will he be eligible to get that medical red shirt?  or gray shirt?  regular red shirt?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 03:55:20 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 10, 2017, 04:03:02 PM
Yeah, I'm guilty of getting mad about Dylan being too hurt to start the game we lost at KU but not hurt enough to keep him from almost mounting a comeback. Of course, I wasn't fully aware that our coaching staff has the same attitude toward injury that the staff on Varsity Blues had at that time, but that doesn't fully excuse me.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 04:15:49 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 10, 2017, 04:42:10 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?

wtf, that's what you read?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 05:08:04 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?

You're gathering that very wrong.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?

You're gathering that very wrong.
alright
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 06:33:38 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?

You're gathering that very wrong.
alright

I thought my point was clear, I'll state it again. First of all, I've said more than once that if he's but he shouldn't be playing. Secondly, I wish football culture allowed him to be hurt and to heal properly without being forced to play while injured.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 10, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Of course he's masking the extent of his injuries, this program and this sport requires him to, that's the point slim.  Do you think Dalton Risner feels great playing on two sprained ankles? Pringle must have injured one of his eyes or something, he's playing.

You cannot place one tiny bit of blame on a player trying to play through pain. By the way, the fans require players to do it too.
so you want ertz to play on a torn meniscus am i gathering that right? what happened to #family?

You're gathering that very wrong.
alright

I thought my point was clear, I'll state it again. First of all, I've said more than once that if he's but he shouldn't be playing. Secondly, I wish football culture allowed him to be hurt and to heal properly without being forced to play while injured.
well, okay then. fwiw i just got a text from people we both know that hertz will be out 4-6 weeks now. i guess we will see, apparently the mrs/scan didn't look good. i hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on October 10, 2017, 06:45:07 PM



At what point are we going to listen to the several coach/trainer complaints this staff has had?

Huh? Like the training/medical staff sucks?


Also, I have had a ton meniscus and did nothing and it just got better. But I'm not playing D1 football. I just wanted to share that little anecdote about me. :Rusty:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2017, 11:39:52 PM



At what point are we going to listen to the several coach/trainer complaints this staff has had?

Huh? Like the training/medical staff sucks?


Also, I have had a ton meniscus and did nothing and it just got better. But I'm not playing D1 football. I just wanted to share that little anecdote about me. :Rusty:

No, that they, in conjunction with the coaches are playing players who may not be comfortable being on the field. There were whispers of this with Alex Barnes last season and full blown roars with Corey Sutton this past summer. There have been other things that we've seen; Collin Klein with his concussion against OSU and Grant Gregory playing most of the season with a torn rotator cuff.

Again, I think these things are prevalent and expected in the sport. I don't think our staffs are worse than anyone else, just not any better either.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 11, 2017, 07:58:41 AM
Agree MIR. We just notice it with QBs because of the demands with our run game. I know a former Big 12 level baseball coach who calls football at the D1 level a "surgical sport".
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 14, 2017, 02:32:59 PM
I mean, he's got to be in by the second half of this game right?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on October 14, 2017, 02:35:53 PM
I hope so
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: PowercatPat on October 14, 2017, 03:45:42 PM
I mean, he's got to be in by the second half of this game right?

He should, but we will probably go with the same game plan in the 2nd half knowing this staff.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: PowercatPat on October 23, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
A couple of people on KSO are saying he is transferring fwiw.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on October 23, 2017, 08:50:09 PM
Figures.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 23, 2017, 09:05:06 PM
A couple of people on KSO are saying he is transferring fwiw.

Who is the "he" here
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: BBF$$Kat on October 23, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
A couple of people on KSO are saying he is transferring fwiw.

Who is the "he" here
Seriously? Thread title bro
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 23, 2017, 10:29:04 PM
This would be severely disappointing news.  I've been Sky high since the spring game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: HELLHAMMER on October 24, 2017, 07:25:41 AM
Can't say I blame the kid.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: slackcat on October 24, 2017, 07:39:44 AM
I give up.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 24, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he does transfer.  He is about to watch Ertz go back in as our starting QB a week after Delton put up the best game of K-State's season for a QB.  He might be thinking no matter how good he is, he won't see playing time until he knows the playbook better than the other QB's on the roster.  This has been the Snyder 2.0 mentality.  Play the guys that know the playbook the most, even if not as talented. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Steffy08 on October 24, 2017, 08:43:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he does transfer.  He is about to watch Ertz go back in as our starting QB a week after Delton put up the best game of K-State's season for a QB.  He might be thinking no matter how good he is, he won't see playing time until he knows the playbook better than the other QB's on the roster.  This has been the Snyder 2.0 mentality.  Play the guys that know the playbook the most, even if not as talented.

Or, I guess he could think "I better learn the playbook."

I'm not sure how you define "talented," but I am completely confident that we play the QB that gives us the best chance of winning.

If Thompson leaves, he is a baby.  In any event, I don't believe the rumor.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on October 24, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he does transfer.  He is about to watch Ertz go back in as our starting QB a week after Delton put up the best game of K-State's season for a QB.  He might be thinking no matter how good he is, he won't see playing time until he knows the playbook better than the other QB's on the roster.  This has been the Snyder 2.0 mentality.  Play the guys that know the playbook the most, even if not as talented.

Or, I guess he could think "I better learn the playbook."

I'm not sure how you define "talented," but I am completely confident that we play the QB that gives us the best chance of winning.

If Thompson leaves, he is a baby.  In any event, I don't believe the rumor.

this kind of post is kind of the ultimate litmus test for our fan base. on the one side, you have someone calling the athletes "babies" if they get frustrated by lack of opportunity or issues with the staff. on the other hand, you have fans who just want to see the best players play and have an exciting team, regardless of the hickups along the way. i think, ultimately, we all just want wins and a more fun style of football. neither of which is happening now. hence, our collective frustration/confusion. i see no downside to playing sky. delton played great but there are other things sky can do. we should be allowed to see what happens. no reason to get ertz even more hurt for a team that will go 6-6 at best. if sky plays and sucks, then fine. he can consider his transfer. but to not even get an opportunity when the situation so obviously asks for it, is just more fuel to the fire for why the inflexibility of this staff infuriates both elements of our fan base and the guys on the team.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2017, 09:01:52 AM
For all the crap we give our coaches, I do believe that more often than not the best guy plays. Sams transferred to an FCS school and still struggled to get playing time. If Thompson does transfer, I think he would end up closer to that than a Mayfield type.

Ertz is the best we have right now. I just don’t understand why we would play him in our only easy win when he clearly has issues getting healthy.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 24, 2017, 09:03:01 AM
Delton should play until he gets hurt. He just gave us our best offensive performance of the season against a top 10 team. I like Ertz, but he's injured. He also only led us to 7 points against Vanderbilt, VANDERBILT when he was healthy. Ertz should be our #3 option right now.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Gooch on October 24, 2017, 09:06:42 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Skipper44 on October 24, 2017, 09:24:45 AM
Delton should play until he gets hurt. He just gave us our best offensive performance of the season against a top 10 team. I like Ertz, but he's injured. He also only led us to 7 points against Vanderbilt, VANDERBILT when he was healthy. Ertz should be our #3 option right now.
good work here
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 24, 2017, 09:37:20 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2017, 10:08:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he does transfer.  He is about to watch Ertz go back in as our starting QB a week after Delton put up the best game of K-State's season for a QB.  He might be thinking no matter how good he is, he won't see playing time until he knows the playbook better than the other QB's on the roster.  This has been the Snyder 2.0 mentality.  Play the guys that know the playbook the most, even if not as talented.

Or Ertz is the better quarterback
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2017, 10:12:12 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 24, 2017, 10:13:09 AM
I'm sure there has been one or two cases of our coaches "missing" on a player that is a gamer and perhaps would/could perform better than the guy(s) ahead of him on the depth chart. However, after watching hours and hours of practice, plus work ethic in offseason/summer conditioning , plus "voluntary" workouts, 99% of the time coaches have a pretty good idea of who can play and who can't.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 24, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Maybe not missed time, but...

http://www.oudaily.com/sports/oklahoma-football-baker-mayfield-didn-t-practice-last-week-due/article_810e7996-b805-11e7-9fea-f3763ec01f23.html
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
I'm sure there has been one or two cases of our coaches "missing" on a player that is a gamer and perhaps would/could perform better than the guy(s) ahead of him on the depth chart. However, after watching hours and hours of practice, plus work ethic in offseason/summer conditioning , plus "voluntary" workouts, 99% of the time coaches have a pretty good idea of who can play and who can't.

Agreed, but fans are gonna fan. Collin Klein was either the third or fourth string QB in '09, he got better in the system, then he played. Although it is worth noting that they completely changed the offense for him but they aren't doing that for any of these quarterbacks.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on October 24, 2017, 10:19:51 AM
yeah, tv was talking about him being pretty banged up.

def didn't move around as much.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 24, 2017, 10:23:47 AM
I'm sure there has been one or two cases of our coaches "missing" on a player that is a gamer and perhaps would/could perform better than the guy(s) ahead of him on the depth chart. However, after watching hours and hours of practice, plus work ethic in offseason/summer conditioning , plus "voluntary" workouts, 99% of the time coaches have a pretty good idea of who can play and who can't.

Agreed, but fans are gonna fan. Collin Klein was either the third or fourth string QB in '09, he got better in the system, then he played. Although it is worth noting that they completely changed the offense for him but they aren't doing that for any of these quarterbacks.

I think they envisioned Ertz being Klein part 2. They definitely made changes in the offense for the Waters-Lockett years and I think they went back to the Klein system and Delton is doing much of the same. That's also possibly why Delton is getting the nod over Thompson, more experience plus a better skill set to fit the offensive system they already have in place. With knowing at some point Ertz will be back, that makes some sense as well rather than changing the system more to fit Thompson's skills.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
Klein probably should have played more as a sophomore over queso
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 24, 2017, 12:04:28 PM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on October 24, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
I'm sure there has been one or two cases of our coaches "missing" on a player that is a gamer and perhaps would/could perform better than the guy(s) ahead of him on the depth chart. However, after watching hours and hours of practice, plus work ethic in offseason/summer conditioning , plus "voluntary" workouts, 99% of the time coaches have a pretty good idea of who can play and who can't.

Agreed, but fans are gonna fan. Collin Klein was either the third or fourth string QB in '09, he got better in the system, then he played. Although it is worth noting that they completely changed the offense for him but they aren't doing that for any of these quarterbacks.

I think they envisioned Ertz being Klein part 2. They definitely made changes in the offense for the Waters-Lockett years and I think they went back to the Klein system and Delton is doing much of the same. That's also possibly why Delton is getting the nod over Thompson, more experience plus a better skill set to fit the offensive system they already have in place. With knowing at some point Ertz will be back, that makes some sense as well rather than changing the system more to fit Thompson's skills.

that's a really fair point, but i also think our staff and system should be flexible enough that even in season we can throw someone else in there and make it viable. i mean, kody rough ridin' cook led us on some pretty good drives in 2015. you can't tell me we can't come up with a package on the fly that makes thompson at least competent in game action. but, again, delton played well. props to him and the coaches for coming up with something that kept us competitive against a very good ou team.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2017, 12:46:33 PM
Klein probably should have played more as a sophomore over queso

Yes, this would be a legitimate gripe IMO.  Klein dominated in his first start.  Then we did this weird QB shuffle against North Texas and every time Klein was in he did better, so I had no idea why Klein did not play in our bowl game that year.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 24, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
If Delton hadn't followed a pretty bad outing vs TCU with a very good one vs OU, I'd be all for Thompson at this point. However, given that Delton also played well vs UT when he went in, I'm confident he's earned the #2 spot and should play if Ertz's knee is still a problem.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on October 24, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
If Delton hadn't followed a pretty bad outing vs TCU with a very good one vs OU, I'd be all for Thompson at this point. However, given that Delton also played well vs UT when he went in, I'm confident he's earned the #2 spot and should play if Ertz's knee is still a problem.

yeah, that's fair. it's not like he's gonna be less confident going forward now he just scored 5 td's on ou. he knows he can hang after that. so i expect him to continue to figure it out. also, you have to give props to patterson and tcu. that's just one damn salty defense.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kslim on October 24, 2017, 01:06:24 PM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.
well he maybe waiting to see who our coach is going to be, i know i would
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 24, 2017, 01:09:48 PM
also, you have to give props to patterson and tcu. that's just one damn salty defense.

Definitely.

It will be interesting to see if ISU's defense continues to put up the numbers they have so far against Big 12 competition. They didn't suddenly get a lot more talented, but Campbell is doing something right this year.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DQ12 on October 24, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Ertz has no business starting another game as KSU's QB, IMO.  He's a banged up lame duck QB in the midst of a season where we're just hoping for a bowl game.  Delton has played as good, if not better, than Ertz this year, and he'll have eligibility next year.  He also doesn't appear to be as prone to injury as Ertz is at the moment.

If it were up to me, Delton plays the rest of the season with Thompson hopefully getting plenty of time against KU this week.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 24, 2017, 02:09:37 PM
agree with Dlew
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2017, 02:41:03 PM
Since we have no chance to do anything meaningful this season, I’m on board with this, although I still think Sky has the higher ceiling and should be starting for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 24, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
Ertz has no business starting another game as KSU's QB, IMO.  He's a banged up lame duck QB in the midst of a season where we're just hoping for a bowl game.  Delton has played as good, if not better, than Ertz this year, and he'll have eligibility next year.  He also doesn't appear to be as prone to injury as Ertz is at the moment.

If it were up to me, Delton plays the rest of the season with Thompson hopefully getting plenty of time against KU this week.

Agreed. Ertz is the most pedrstrian QB we've had since Brian Kavanaugh. He can't pass, he's slow as eff, and now he's unwilling to take contact to get first down yardage. It's rough ridin' criminal that he'd be allowed back out there over Delton
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 24, 2017, 04:28:33 PM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: TheTruth on October 24, 2017, 06:08:37 PM
Since we have no chance to do anything meaningful this season, I’m on board with this, although I still think Sky has the higher ceiling and should be starting for the same reasons.

This. Thompson has the broader skill set (can run and can make every throw) and a higher ceiling. Now that Ertz is out, not playing Thompson at all makes no sense. And he has been on campus for what, almost two years now? He knows enough to freakin' play.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pett on October 24, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
why would he transfer? this season was always about ertz
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 24, 2017, 06:50:48 PM
Other than private/family stuff I can think of three possible reasons: (1) he saw Ertz go through the season and realized he’s gonna have to take a lot of punishment to play in our system, (2) he feels like he’s way better than Delton and if he’s not allowed to play now he never will be, or (3) he either knows or is convinced that Snyder is retiring.

I don’t see 1 being likely at all because you know what you’re getting in this system. 2 is possible, but if that’s really the case he probably is not as good as he thinks and won’t be that successful anywhere. 3 is also possible, but I think we’d hear a lot more rumblings if that were the case.

So I guess I really don’t have much reason to believe he actually would be transferring.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: PIPE on October 24, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
I don’t know why anyone would even consider transferring with the impending headset swap from bill to Sean. The sky’s the limit for sure
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: schreds21 on October 24, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.
Seems like I remember Ell getting hurt in '03.  Even missed a couple of games because of it?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on October 25, 2017, 03:17:20 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.

That's a really fair point. Running a QB into the line 30x a game like we're Navy/Air Force is way different than what Mayfield does when he's not winging it all over the field killing us and other teams.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2017, 07:48:43 AM


Since we have no chance to do anything meaningful this season, I’m on board with this, although I still think Sky has the higher ceiling and should be starting for the same reasons.

This. Thompson has the broader skill set (can run and can make every throw) and a higher ceiling. Now that Ertz is out, not playing Thompson at all makes no sense. And he has been on campus for what, almost two years now? He knows enough to freakin' play.

Are posts like this based on the spring game or something?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 25, 2017, 08:07:36 AM
That was my thought as well. I think he may be decent, but I have no idea if he can make every throw. Fans always give back up QBs magical powers though.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MadCat on October 25, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
Schrödinger's pass
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 25, 2017, 09:59:08 AM


Since we have no chance to do anything meaningful this season, I’m on board with this, although I still think Sky has the higher ceiling and should be starting for the same reasons.

This. Thompson has the broader skill set (can run and can make every throw) and a higher ceiling. Now that Ertz is out, not playing Thompson at all makes no sense. And he has been on campus for what, almost two years now? He knows enough to freakin' play.

Are posts like this based on the spring game or something?

Yes. The only data we really have to go off of.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 25, 2017, 10:01:05 AM
Also, I’m situations like this I always favor the younger QB if he shows promise.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 25, 2017, 12:56:25 PM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.
Seems like I remember Ell getting hurt in '03.  Even missed a couple of games because of it?  :dunno:

Oh man, duh, I'm dumb.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2017, 01:01:38 PM
Lbeaz had shoulder problems but I don't think he missed any games
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: TheTruth on October 25, 2017, 08:06:19 PM


Since we have no chance to do anything meaningful this season, I’m on board with this, although I still think Sky has the higher ceiling and should be starting for the same reasons.

This. Thompson has the broader skill set (can run and can make every throw) and a higher ceiling. Now that Ertz is out, not playing Thompson at all makes no sense. And he has been on campus for what, almost two years now? He knows enough to freakin' play.

Are posts like this based on the spring game or something?

Some high school games for each. I'm just saying Thompson is more of a pure QB. Nothing against Delton. The way this season has gone, if Thompson just stands on the sideline all year, it's effing stupid. Get him some snaps. Especially if we get any kind of lead in any remaining games, it makes total sense to work him in. But that probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 25, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
Sky looked good running the ball in live game action against ine of the first teams we played.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: schreds21 on October 27, 2017, 07:28:29 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.
Seems like I remember Ell getting hurt in '03.  Even missed a couple of games because of it?  :dunno:

Oh man, duh, I'm dumb.
To be fair, your logic is still sound.  While Ell did get injured and the QB's did run the ball quite often, it was in a different scheme than what they do now.  They weren't just crashing into the middle of the line time and time again.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on October 27, 2017, 09:10:17 AM
Ell played with a spaghetti shoulder in 03 and 02
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 27, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
K-State QBs rushing attempts per game for their careers:

Matt Miller 11.7
Michael Bishop 10.6
Jonathan Beasley 8.1
Ell Roberson 14.7
Collin Klein 16.7
Jake Waters 10.5
Jesse Ertz 14.2

I know that the last 4 multi-year starters all had shoulder injuries of some sort. Dylan Meier did also, though he didn't run it as much.

Honestly, I don't think the opportunities for hits taken have changed much since Ell. The Bishop/Beasley teams were a little more selective with QB runs, but starting with Ell the QB run game became the feature part of the offense leading to the culmination of Collin Klein the battering ram. It tapered a bit with Waters (though he still played hurt) and then Ertz is supposed to be another Klein.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Big Train on October 27, 2017, 10:39:03 AM
Schrödinger's pass

:lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 27, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
K-State QBs rushing attempts per game for their careers:

Matt Miller 11.7
Michael Bishop 10.6
Jonathan Beasley 8.1
Ell Roberson 14.7
Collin Klein 16.7
Jake Waters 10.5
Jesse Ertz 14.2

I know that the last 4 multi-year starters all had shoulder injuries of some sort. Dylan Meier did also, though he didn't run it as much.

Honestly, I don't think the opportunities for hits taken have changed much since Ell. The Bishop/Beasley teams were a little more selective with QB runs, but starting with Ell the QB run game became the feature part of the offense leading to the culmination of Collin Klein the battering ram. It tapered a bit with Waters (though he still played hurt) and then Ertz is supposed to be another Klein.

No QB stat is complete without including #MyGuy Joe Hieubenor. :curse:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 27, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
K-State QBs rushing attempts per game for their careers:

Matt Miller 11.7
Michael Bishop 10.6
Jonathan Beasley 8.1
Ell Roberson 14.7
Collin Klein 16.7
Jake Waters 10.5
Jesse Ertz 14.2

I know that the last 4 multi-year starters all had shoulder injuries of some sort. Dylan Meier did also, though he didn't run it as much.

Honestly, I don't think the opportunities for hits taken have changed much since Ell. The Bishop/Beasley teams were a little more selective with QB runs, but starting with Ell the QB run game became the feature part of the offense leading to the culmination of Collin Klein the battering ram. It tapered a bit with Waters (though he still played hurt) and then Ertz is supposed to be another Klein.

No QB stat is complete without including #MyGuy Joe Hieubenor. :curse:

Would be interested to see what the average number of QB runs per snap taken by QBs would be.  That way you could include Sams. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 27, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
QB runs per snap would be much better, but I don't have the time to research that.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 27, 2017, 12:29:46 PM
Schrödinger's pass

:lol:

It's clever, but then I'm like...wait, Schrödinger's Cat still works great here.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: delerioustyme on October 27, 2017, 03:39:27 PM
QB runs per snap would be much better, but I don't have the time to research that.

Yeah, I hear ya. 


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: EIGHTLUG on October 28, 2017, 10:44:01 AM
Sky should transfer if he doesn't want to have multiple shoulder surgeries. If he is here next year he will start but in this type of offense he has no long term future. Our offense is total bullshit for a QB. If I was a parent there is no way in he'll I would let my kid come to KSU to play QB.

OU and UT run their QB's into the ground.

Don't know about OU but UT certainly does. I can't remember the last time an OU qb missed playing time with an injury.

Mayfield ran all over the place on saturday.  Basically if they needed a first he'd take the snap and go.

That's unique to Mayfield though, he's a scrambler, that isn't their offense. They aren't crashing him into line 20 times a game like we do. They aren't making fullbacks ram into his back. Mike and Ell didn't get hurt because we didn't run them that way either. Lbeaz didn't get hurt because he was a Sherman Tank.
Seems like I remember Ell getting hurt in '03.  Even missed a couple of games because of it?  :dunno:

Oh man, duh, I'm dumb.
To be fair, your logic is still sound.  While Ell did get injured and the QB's did run the ball quite often, it was in a different scheme than what they do now.  They weren't just crashing into the middle of the line time and time again.
ER3 injured his throwing hand against a helmet as he threw a pass. This was in the Marshall game. IMO, that totally changed the complexion of the entire season, if the B12CG were to play out to is 35-7 finish. I digress. But, to your point, not exactly an injury caused by our QB run scheme. Buy yes, we did run ER3 a lot.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 28, 2017, 12:23:38 PM
It was 100% not in the Marshall game because he didn’t play that day
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2017, 03:55:05 PM
:excited:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2017, 03:58:12 PM
Clearly the more well rounded qb
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
2 snaps, 7 points

Tough to argue with results.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 28, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
It was 100% not in the Marshall game because he didn’t play that day

Confirmed. Ell injured his hand against McNeese State.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=1629576

Quote
When Roberson suffered an injury to his left hand in the 55-14 defeat of Division I-AA McNeese State four weeks ago, he had already rushed for 251 yards, gaining 6.6 yards per carry, and four touchdowns. With senior and former walk-on Jeff Schwinn in charge, the offense became ordinary and mistake-prone.

In the second half of the loss to Marshall, Roberson pleaded with Snyder to put him back in the game. "He was not cleared by the doctors for the Marshall game,"
quarterback coach Del Miller said. "He wanted to go in. He dressed for the game. The easy thing would have been to put him in. That's not what Coach Snyder is in this for, or [you]."
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 28, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
He appears to be just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in the pocket as the two QBs in front of him.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 28, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
Considering the lack of reps we seem to give our backups, I’ll reserve judgment for when he actually starts a game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 28, 2017, 05:54:24 PM
Given it's such a shared trait, I kind of conclude it could just be the offense that's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Muldoon on October 28, 2017, 05:55:56 PM
About what I would expect of a young QB with no significant experience and so much potential in our bullshit offense.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on October 28, 2017, 06:00:53 PM
Let's roll with Sky for the final 4 games and prepare for next year. Let the two Alexi transfer and move forward.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: slackcat on October 28, 2017, 08:11:35 PM
He appears to be just as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in the pocket as the two QBs in front of him.

Sky did fine with the crap line/scheme he had to play with. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kstatefreak42 on October 28, 2017, 11:39:30 PM
Sky is totally The Guy
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 28, 2017, 11:45:00 PM
I like him.. definitely not as sexy as runner as delton but he doesn't try to force things that aren't there


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2017, 12:07:30 AM
Why did they wait until the last drive to give him short passes? Can neither he nor Delton throw slants?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 29, 2017, 01:53:16 AM
We refused to let him throw until 3rd downs. It handicapped him and the offense. I swear we are the only school that uses a backup who’s been here 2 years and treat him like a WR at QB. Might as well tear out all plays except 8 of them. God forbid we open it up and see what a kids got
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on October 29, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Take it to the coaches are dumbasses thread
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KST8FAN on October 29, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
QB runs per snap would be much better, but I don't have the time to research that.
My press guides only go back to 92.
Plays= total plays for all QBs
Rush= rush plays for all QBs
R/T= rush plays / total plays

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KST8FAN on October 29, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
QBs sorted descending by total plays.

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KST8FAN on October 29, 2017, 03:41:58 PM
Quarterbacks by year sorted descending by total plays.  I tried to filter for guys who started or played significant time.

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Big Train on October 29, 2017, 03:44:14 PM
Damn Tom where’d you learn to pivot table like that?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on October 29, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
Good stuff Tom.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KST8FAN on October 29, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
I'd be prouder if this if I could cut and paste the table and not have it look like jibberish.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-12/leaders/rush-att-player-career.html

Most rush attempts for a career in Big 12.  Here are the QBs in the Top 50.
No   Player   Att
18   Eric Crouch NU   648
28   Ell Roberson KSU   604
29   Collin Klein KSU   601
43   Robert Griffin III BAY   528
47   Jammal Lord NU   516
49   Bret Meyer ISU   509
50   Trevone Boykin TCU   507

Tom
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on October 29, 2017, 04:13:20 PM
thanks for that tom. very cool. i'm excited to have more free time the rest of this fall and see what sky can do. and just hope the guys aren't quitting on the coaches. or the coaches aren't quitting on the guys.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 29, 2017, 07:45:24 PM
Sisco runs more than bazooka joe did, SMDH.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 30, 2017, 12:49:03 AM
Should be shooting for .25-.3 mark for our QBs. Ertz up above .4 is absurd
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 30, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
Should be shooting for .25-.3 mark for our QBs. Ertz up above .4 is absurd

Don't know where you picked these numbers from, but I don't think it's that absurd considering in our most successful years our QBs were right around .4
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Skipper44 on October 30, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
It’s absurd with Barnes, Silmon and Warmack on the roster and given Ertz's injury history
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pett on October 30, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
Sisco runs more than bazooka joe did, SMDH.

awful. how is this possible? especially with Jesse's injury history
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 30, 2017, 12:36:45 PM
Should be shooting for .25-.3 mark for our QBs. Ertz up above .4 is absurd

Don't know where you picked these numbers from, but I don't think it's that absurd considering in our most successful years our QBs were right around .4

Based mostly on the inability of guys to stay healthy up at that .4 mark. Also it seems most effective offenses that use QBs to run consistently don’t do it to the extent we do. Getting guys 8-12 carries a game feels more sustainable and better balanced. I think you need to throw a decent amount to win consistently today and ruining guys shoulders isn’t helping. Also Ell and Klein were more durable than Ertz.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2017, 12:43:20 PM
Ertz running the ball on 40% of his snaps is absurd. Yes he is a very good runner but goddam.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on October 30, 2017, 01:35:51 PM
yes, stupid
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on October 31, 2017, 03:11:57 PM
You guys are helping opponents prepare for the cats smdh
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Shooter Jones on October 31, 2017, 03:26:34 PM
You guys are helping opponents prepare for the cats smdh

GPC would never help a team prepare unlike KSO and gE. Damn.

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 31, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
no surprise our biggest ass kicking came against TCU and their advanced scouting report
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2017, 03:01:21 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 04, 2017, 03:04:12 PM
#blueSKYSlookingatyou
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: BostonPancake on November 04, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
#TeamSky
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 03:32:48 PM
His non Zuber TD pass was his play of the game. High hopes on this stud.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
It's gonna be weird as a K-State fan watching him moving forward tho. On paper, not a K-State QB, his intangibles don't fit well with a KSU offense. But they did today, so who cares! Cats!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 04, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
It's gonna be weird as a K-State fan watching him moving forward tho. On paper, not a K-State QB, his intangibles don't fit well with a KSU offense. But they did today, so who cares! Cats!

so, say, hypothetically, that sky plays against vandy, texas, and ou, and our coaches let him push it down the field and let our runnings back run. we win all those games, right? just cater to the guy's talents. not that hard. he's got arm talent, he's mobile enough to just make plays. i hope our coaches are now finally forced to call a game for the qb they have and stop trying to force something that they thinks works but doesn't fit the personnel. bc there aren't any more viable qb's to get killed. sky is it. ride or die.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Trim on November 04, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
so, say, hypothetically, that sky plays against vandy, texas, and ou, 

He'd have been dead by today too.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2017, 04:11:54 PM
so, say, hypothetically, that sky plays against vandy, texas, and ou, 

He'd have been dead by today too.

I mean is there any doubt of this? all the qbs seem like they could do pretty decent if not constantly pummeled by play calling.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 04, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
so, say, hypothetically, that sky plays against vandy, texas, and ou, 

He'd have been dead by today too.

I mean is there any doubt of this? all the qbs seem like they could do pretty decent if not constantly pummeled by play calling.

fair point. it was cool to see a guy be allowed to make plays and be in a position to improvise, instead of worrying constantly about dying.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 04, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
I get that our system beats up QBs, but the two hits that Delton took were both cheap shots in the pocket that could happen in any system.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2017, 04:19:41 PM
I get that our system beats up QBs, but the two hits that Delton took were both cheap shots in the pocket that could happen in any system.

They were going after his head on designed runs, no doubt in my mind. If they hadn't gotten him in the pocket they would have gotten him on a run eventually.
Title: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2017, 04:32:39 PM
I get that our system beats up QBs, but the two hits that Delton took were both cheap shots in the pocket that could happen in any system.

Agreed. I still think Kliff should be fined.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 04, 2017, 04:35:41 PM
I get that our system beats up QBs, but the two hits that Delton took were both cheap shots in the pocket that could happen in any system.

thanks for that info. i didn't get to watch most of the early action, so i did not see how delton got re-injured.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 04:50:47 PM
I was with ya, fan!

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2017, 04:53:27 PM
I was with ya, fan!


gross, wacks
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
 :dunno: our QB's get abused. That's why we recruit dual threats. Sky is not a dual threat type.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 04:56:57 PM
I'm cool with Dimel hot takes. But... Know the game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Trim on November 04, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
I still see no appreciable difference between the 2 non-ertz quarterbacks, aside from the current amount of CTE.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on November 04, 2017, 05:15:14 PM
So wait, delton is getting coddled by the coaches?  Or does Wacky not know what that word means?

Weird to take a shot at delton.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on November 04, 2017, 05:22:24 PM
Sky looks like waters but I'm going to say better arm


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2017, 05:26:40 PM
he doesn't look anything like waters
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2017, 05:27:41 PM
:dunno: our QB's get abused. That's why we recruit dual threats. Sky is not a dual threat type.

he was the #7 dual threat qb in the nation  :dunno:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 04, 2017, 05:32:02 PM
Sky, a redshirt freshman, while at the opening drive in the 2nd half, did look like it.  At the end of the game (when not crippled by awful play calling), he looked like a seasoned 5th year SR.

I think it's obvious that it's time to give the reigns to Sky.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on November 04, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
Starting anyone but Sky moving forward should be a fireable offense.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 04, 2017, 05:40:20 PM
Sky, a redshirt freshman, while at the opening drive in the 2nd half, did look like it.  At the end of the game (when not crippled by awful play calling), he looked like a seasoned 5th year SR.

I think it's obvious that it's time to give the reigns to Sky.

yeah i don't know why there is any discussion here. delton played well. and has done an admirable job in place of ertz, but he's dinged. sky is good and can wing it. throw him in there and let's go win these last 3.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on November 04, 2017, 05:54:08 PM
I mean sky played ok on the last drive and overtime, but I don't get being down on Delton.  Sky certainly didn't look like any kind of senior qb to me for the vast majority of his time on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he might be really good but I think declaring him the starter from now on and dumping Delton seems a bit crazy.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 04, 2017, 06:09:10 PM
I mean sky played ok on the last drive and overtime, but I don't get being down on Delton.  Sky certainly didn't look like any kind of senior qb to me for the vast majority of his time on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he might be really good but I think declaring him the starter from now on and dumping Delton seems a bit crazy.

I don't have anything against Delton, as he has performed as best as he did for us in the last few games, but the ceiling is way much higher for Thompson than Delton at this point.  And if you were to go back to the beginning of the 2nd half, Thompson looked lost and untimely with his receivers and he does have the tendency to hold on to the ball way too long for my liking.

However, I do like the fact that Skylar has improved tremendously within the 2 quarters of football. And it is a RS Freshman who just made those plays we're talking about here.  It would also give an idea if he really is the answer moving forward to 2018 (and potentially more) or not.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 06:16:55 PM
So wait, delton is getting coddled by the coaches?  Or does Wacky not know what that word means?

Weird to take a shot at delton.
Coddled was a lol take since we murder our QB's with the run. Someone went after Dimel for Delton getting skettibrained and I corrected them that it was a pass play, so get educated with the Dimel hot takes. He's been a dumbass coordinator, but go eff yourselves if you blame Dimel for that.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 06:18:41 PM
:dunno: our QB's get abused. That's why we recruit dual threats. Sky is not a dual threat type.

he was the #7 dual threat qb in the nation  :dunno:
I covered many of his games. He is known for passing. "Dual threat" is being kind by the recruiting services.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on November 04, 2017, 06:21:52 PM
I don't see that Delton has a lower ceiling and I certainly don't think he's played his best (in the very limited opportunities he's had so far).

Other than getting concussions, I don't see that his performance has deserved getting benched.

If Sky does take over the starter position from now on based solely on what's happened on the field, Delton should justifiably transfer.

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 06:24:12 PM
He's #1, but he can't help getting skettibrained and having a crap ton of pass deflections for being short.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 04, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
He's #1, but he can't help getting skettibrained and having a crap ton of pass deflections for being short.

This.  I believe it was 4 tipped passes in the first half before he got skettibrained.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 04, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
I don't see that Delton has a lower ceiling and I certainly don't think he's played his best (in the very limited opportunities he's had so far).

Other than getting concussions, I don't see that his performance has deserved getting benched.

If Sky does take over the starter position from now on based solely on what's happened on the field, Delton should justifiably transfer.



yeah Delton played pretty great, so did Thompson outside of the first couple of drives. There is in no way clearly more upside for Thompson unless you consider him being a freshman vs. Dleton being a sophomore being more of an upside.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 04, 2017, 06:59:34 PM
I agree that both QBs played well.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 04, 2017, 07:00:17 PM
Again, the upside for Thompson is being 6'4 and less skettibrained. He's a throw first QB that our coaches will have to adjust to. He's as much of a runner that the coaching staff forced Waters to be. It's not what he likes to do.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2017, 07:07:25 PM
I get that our system beats up QBs, but the two hits that Delton took were both cheap shots in the pocket that could happen in any system.

They were going after his head on designed runs, no doubt in my mind. If they hadn't gotten him in the pocket they would have gotten him on a run eventually.

pathetic they feel the need to concuss an inexperienced sophmore qb to help win them the game. very tech thing to do which makes me think it was likely intentional.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 04, 2017, 07:18:03 PM
Tech teams under Kliff are always undisciplined. This was no surprise. I don't think they were just targeting QBs, that's just how they play and part of why Kliff will be fired.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 07:20:39 PM
Looking at twitter it seems as if our guy Sky is just as woke as Sisco  :love:

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on November 04, 2017, 07:31:18 PM
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 04, 2017, 07:37:36 PM
You don't know what woke means?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 04, 2017, 07:40:02 PM
It's #woke
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SdK on November 04, 2017, 07:40:34 PM
You don't know what woke means?
I do not. I've seen it thrown around from time to time. I just assumed it was slang for something and didn't attempt to figure it out.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: stunted on November 04, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
Looking at twitter it seems as if our guy Sky is just as woke as Sisco  :love:


they both love their moms?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 04, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Looking at twitter it seems as if our guy Sky is just as woke as Sisco  :love:


they both love their moms?

:lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
Looking at twitter it seems as if our guy Sky is just as woke as Sisco  :love:

Post examples please! :excited:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on November 04, 2017, 07:57:26 PM
They're both redpillers?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on November 04, 2017, 08:19:13 PM
I think it's a 9/11 truther thing
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 04, 2017, 08:28:28 PM
If Sky knows that Sandy Hook was an inside job then he is DEFINITELY my guy.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 04, 2017, 09:17:03 PM
If Sky knows that Sandy Hook was an inside job staged then he is DEFINITELY my guy.

fyp
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: bones129 on November 04, 2017, 10:48:38 PM
Again, the upside for Thompson is being 6'4 and less skettibrained. He's a throw first QB that our coaches will have to adjust to. He's as much of a runner that the coaching staff forced Waters to be. It's not what he likes to do.

Unfortunately, some of our coaches don't like to adjust, even when they should.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: BBF$$Kat on November 04, 2017, 11:26:04 PM
I mean sky played ok on the last drive and overtime, but I don't get being down on Delton.  Sky certainly didn't look like any kind of senior qb to me for the vast majority of his time on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he might be really good but I think declaring him the starter from now on and dumping Delton seems a bit crazy.
This.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 05, 2017, 01:37:38 AM
I mean sky played ok on the last drive and overtime, but I don't get being down on Delton.  Sky certainly didn't look like any kind of senior qb to me for the vast majority of his time on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he might be really good but I think declaring him the starter from now on and dumping Delton seems a bit crazy.
This.

i personally am not bagging on delton. delton has done a good job in relief. i just think sky is in the best physical shape so giving him a shot makes sense, if we are to assume delton cannot play next week.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DOD Take 2 on November 05, 2017, 04:25:48 AM
Again, the upside for Thompson is being 6'4 and less skettibrained. He's a throw first QB that our coaches will have to adjust to. He's as much of a runner that the coaching staff forced Waters to be. It's not what he likes to do.

Maybe you didn’t cover as many of his games as you thought....he ran for over 1000 yards as a Senior

As a Junior he averaged 199 passing yards a game with 38 rushing yards
As a Senior he averaged 152 passing yards a game with 78 rushing yards
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 06, 2017, 08:34:36 AM
I'm well aware of his HS stats and the system he ran in, DOD. TY!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 06, 2017, 08:41:38 AM
Delton should sit until it's not dangerous for him to play, but I really don't get how people can look at the hits he's taken and decide he's just not durable. Nobody is going to take those hits and walk away concussion-free.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 06, 2017, 08:53:46 AM
Looking at twitter it seems as if our guy Sky is just as woke as Sisco  :love:


they both love their moms?

:lol:

Could be wrong, but I believe Cisco's mom is alive and Sky's passed away a few years ago.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: cfbandyman on November 06, 2017, 09:32:22 AM
Delton should sit until it's not dangerous for him to play, but I really don't get how people can look at the hits he's taken and decide he's just not durable. Nobody is going to take those hits and walk away concussion-free.

This, and all the other stuff re: Delton in here. I like Delton a lot, and I like Sky, but I don't understand bagging on Delton, or thinking he isn't durable, especially the hit he took this game by the TT D-lineman. That was as helmet-to-helmet targeting of a call I've seen since Flacco. At least the d-lineman here had the good sense of realizing his mistake instantly, vs the Miami baby backed bitch.

The only issue I've really seen with Delton is his throws getting knocked down at the line are a bit bothersome. Outside of that the offense at least moves and has some fluidity to it under him.

Sky though was very good the last 2 drives (regulation and OT), and should be rewarded for his poise.

Regardless, I think it'll be a fun battle between the two.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on November 06, 2017, 09:47:41 AM
If delton is in concussion protocol two weeks in a row then he’s got to be done for the season.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 06, 2017, 11:37:33 AM
^^This this this. It’s not about durability. It’s about long term health, and you are taking serious risks going back into the game after two apparent concussions.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 06, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
Wasn't kiko alonso the guy that speared CK in the head during the fiesta bowl?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hatingfrancisco on November 06, 2017, 01:33:41 PM
Wasn't kiko alonso the guy that speared CK in the head during the fiesta bowl?

https://youtu.be/31q_wODGf0k?t=2m51s (https://youtu.be/31q_wODGf0k?t=2m51s)
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2017, 06:37:44 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with Sky? Saw he took the last snap today so obviously nothing broken.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 18, 2017, 07:39:51 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with Sky? Saw he took the last snap today so obviously nothing broken.

He's a K-State QB, so its hard to say.

But its likely in a) the shoulder area or b) slightly (but not really I guess) concussed.

Or maybe some freak deal.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Muldoon on November 18, 2017, 07:42:10 PM
Certainly looked lower limb/extremity as they were helping him off the field but difficult to say with this program.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 18, 2017, 07:46:37 PM
I think osu hurts our qb every time we play
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 07:48:29 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with Sky? Saw he took the last snap today so obviously nothing broken.

He's a K-State QB, so its hard to say.

But its likely in a) the shoulder area or b) slightly (but not really I guess) concussed.

Or maybe some freak deal.

yeah, he looked very seriously injured when he was helped off the field, but the last few handoffs looked fine.  can you take a "stinger" in the back or spine?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 18, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with Sky? Saw he took the last snap today so obviously nothing broken.

He's a K-State QB, so its hard to say.

But its likely in a) the shoulder area or b) slightly (but not really I guess) concussed.

Or maybe some freak deal.

yeah, he looked very seriously injured when he was helped off the field, but the last few handoffs looked fine.  can you take a "stinger" in the back or spine?

Possibly. He did look fine when he came back in.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 18, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
Bud Kilmer just told him to take the needle and get back in there
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 25, 2017, 06:13:26 PM
Huge balls
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on November 25, 2017, 06:24:01 PM
He's everything sisco wished he could be
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 25, 2017, 06:32:09 PM
He's everything sisco wished he could be

ertz is a good dude, but sky really is the man. we can bag on sky for not being great earlier or dimel or our ancient coach or the scheme, but sky decided we were going to win and then went and won it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Whisker Biscuit on November 25, 2017, 06:33:20 PM
He's everything sisco wished he could be

ertz is a good dude, but sky really is the man. we can bag on sky for not being great earlier or dimel or our ancient coach or the scheme, but sky decided we were going to win and then went and won it.

Apparently he was pretty banged up and didn't practice this week.  Would explain a lot
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: GoodForAnother on November 25, 2017, 06:37:14 PM
I love him

Eyes always downfield, no panic, cool as a cucumber

With a competent coaching staff he could be great
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Whale on November 25, 2017, 07:33:10 PM
I like the plays where he throws the ball.  For having a banged up QB, we don't seem to run many of those.

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 25, 2017, 08:00:22 PM
yeah, he was obviously injured. he scrambled at one point to gain yards in the middle of the field and went down praying he didn't take a big hit. and then he bounced right back and won the game. only adds to the studliness, imho.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 08:52:46 PM
He's everything sisco wished he could be

I know shitting on Sisco is for the most part gEing but I legit for emotional when he hobbled to his family on those crutches today, he literally gave everything he had for EMAW, will always be one of my favorites.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2017, 08:59:07 PM
I think a totally healthy sisco was pretty good maybe even greatish and I won't allow crapping on the guy. 

So let's just celebrate The Creator
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on November 25, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
He finds our running backs more often in check downs than any qb in kstate history


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
Thompson is legit.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 09:23:23 PM
You guys hear Zuber's post game interview? He mentioned that the coaches worked with the WRs on keeping their routes alive because he's a threat to their when he scrambles. He's probably the best threat to do this since bish.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 09:26:51 PM
I will say though he would have been the biggest goat, not G.O.A.T. but goat if he didn't find Zuber. He should have thrown that fade to Pringle away if it was covered. Scrambling there was insane.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: cfbandyman on November 25, 2017, 09:28:36 PM
This seals it for me for Thompson. I still love Delton but the TT, OSU and now this speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Big Train on November 25, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
I will say though he would have been the biggest goat, not G.O.A.T. but goat if he didn't find Zuber. He should have thrown that fade to Pringle away if it was covered. Scrambling there was insane.

Yeah you take away the result of that play and it’s bad. That’s what you get tho from a redshirt freshman that only has 2-3 starts. He made a play this time but it’s a teaching moment for sure.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
No practice Monday or Tuesday for #ournewguy. Partial practice Wednesday. Full practice Thursday. Players make plays, the stud that is Sky did just that.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Big Train on November 25, 2017, 09:38:35 PM
No practice Monday or Tuesday for #ournewguy. Partial practice Wednesday. Full practice Thursday. Players make plays, the stud that is Sky did just that.

If #ournewguy does that same play against an OU or a team not named ISU with athlete D line players he doesn’t make that play.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 25, 2017, 09:41:07 PM
His pocket presence is just ungodly for a RS FR for a K-State QB.  Most RS FR/FR QB's would typically would look at the defender and not look down the field.  Plus he feels pressure, he steps up, and makes the throw.

That's the kind of stuff you just can't teach.  You either have it or you don't.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 25, 2017, 09:46:10 PM
Guys, Sky makes me really excited for the future. Go cats.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 09:53:45 PM
No practice Monday or Tuesday for #ournewguy. Partial practice Wednesday. Full practice Thursday. Players make plays, the stud that is Sky did just that.

If #ournewguy does that same play against an OU or a team not named ISU with athlete D line players he doesn’t make that play.

#dontcare

#vssecondbestdefenseinthebig12
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: The Big Train on November 25, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
Man, I didn’t even get a “That’s fair” from _FAN on that.  He’s pretty salty tonight.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: cfbandyman on November 25, 2017, 09:56:57 PM
Man, I didn’t even get a “That’s fair” from _FAN on that.  He’s pretty salty tonight.

He's too busy lifting up Phil over his triumphant head
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 09:58:42 PM
Man, I didn’t even get a “That’s fair” from _FAN on that.  He’s pretty salty tonight.

:cheers:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
Man, I didn’t even get a “That’s fair” from _FAN on that.  He’s pretty salty tonight.

He's too busy lifting up Phil over his triumphant head

:lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2017, 10:04:38 PM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
Watching him move up and side to side in the pocket is beautiful.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.

He finished the season like my all time guy Sisco did. We better get rid of the QB run game and use our 17,000 running backs or he's gonna face a similar ending fate.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 25, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.

He finished the season like my all time guy Sisco did. We better get rid of the QB run game and use our 17,000 running backs or he's gonna face a similar ending fate.

I guess we could abandon our offensive identity and start anew.  Why not?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
100% truth from MIR. Let’s build an offense around the RS Freshman. This could be a great moment in Cats history.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 25, 2017, 10:14:27 PM
PS - I am not being sarcastic at all. If Dimel is not up to the task he should be gone. I don’t care if this is Snyder’s last it second to last or whatever year.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.

He finished the season like my all time guy Sisco did. We better get rid of the QB run game and use our 17,000 running backs or he's gonna face a similar ending fate.

I guess we could abandon our offensive identity and start anew.  Why not?

We're gonna have to. Just watched the KSO postgame and Thompson said he's been hurt the last two games. They're going to ruin him.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 25, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
At least move more toward the Waters version. Shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 25, 2017, 10:49:42 PM


His pocket presence is just ungodly for a RS FR for a K-State QB.  Most RS FR/FR QB's would typically would look at the defender and not look down the field.  Plus he feels pressure, he steps up, and makes the throw.

That's the kind of stuff you just can't teach.  You either have it or you don't.

You can absolutely teach that kind of stuff. I don't think our coaches are good at it, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on November 25, 2017, 10:58:22 PM
Pringle ran a slant on the last play.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 26, 2017, 05:23:00 AM
“I am not scared. I am fearless of the moment. When all eyes are on me, I don’t think about it. I almost invite that, because I love being in the moment and having everybody looking at me to make a play and to win the game … I never doubted it once. I never doubt us until the clock hits zero.”
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2017, 12:15:15 PM
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ben ji on November 27, 2017, 05:04:10 PM
At least move more toward the Waters version. Shouldn't be that hard.

The waters version still had him running it 154 times in 2014, good enough for 7th in the Big12 in rushing attempts.  :frown:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: TheTruth on November 27, 2017, 06:51:16 PM
At least move more toward the Waters version. Shouldn't be that hard.

The waters version still had him running it 154 times in 2014, good enough for 7th in the Big12 in rushing attempts.  :frown:

They need to move to the Chad May version. May was slow, but ran some here and there for a wrinkle. Good running back. Threw it all over the place. That was fun.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 27, 2017, 06:57:23 PM
We are going to QB run, but I'd like to see 5-8 called QB runs per game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: stunted on November 27, 2017, 07:02:03 PM
all 3 of the rbs averaged 5 yards a carry. need to give them the ball more.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: cfbandyman on November 27, 2017, 10:37:16 PM
We are going to QB run, but I'd like to see 5-8 called QB runs per game.

Yeah, less that 10 at least. Also maybe out of the bootleg since he's already good at moving to the side.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 28, 2017, 12:04:35 AM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.

He finished the season like my all time guy Sisco did. We better get rid of the QB run game and use our 17,000 running backs or he's gonna face a similar ending fate.

he really didn't. how many last second, clutch drives did sisco lead? ertz is a good dude, but we didn't put him in a position to succeed, and his body gave out on him, and he actually wasn't that good. it wasn't his fault, but sky is better and i don't think respecting ertz and his efforts and thinking sky is better are mutually exclusive thoughts to have. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2017, 02:01:49 AM
Now is not the time to get a rational post from a true Cats fan. I can’t wait to see what Sky looks like with a full offseason and some swagger. I hope the bowl game just stokes my hopes instead of crushing them.

He finished the season like my all time guy Sisco did. We better get rid of the QB run game and use our 17,000 running backs or he's gonna face a similar ending fate.

he really didn't. how many last second, clutch drives did sisco lead? ertz is a good dude, but we didn't put him in a position to succeed, and his body gave out on him, and he actually wasn't that good. it wasn't his fault, but sky is better and i don't think respecting ertz and his efforts and thinking sky is better are mutually exclusive thoughts to have.

I was referring to last season, we didn't have fourth quarter comebacks because we kicked the crap out of everyone to finish last season.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 28, 2017, 05:43:49 AM
We played teams who were ready for Holiday Break going down the stretch last year.   

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 28, 2017, 07:03:43 AM
This year in winning 4 of our last 5, we beat 1-11 KU, 6-6 Tech, 9-3 OSU, and 7-5 ISU.

Last year in winning 5 of our last 6, we beat 5-7 UT, 3-9 ISU, 6-6 Baylor, 2-10 KU, 6-6 TCU.

Last year's team finished with a worse offense and special teams, but better defense.

Thompson impacted each of this year's last 3 wins over bowl teams in dramatic fashion.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Joker on November 28, 2017, 08:44:10 AM
This year in winning 4 of our last 5, we beat 1-11 KU, 6-6 Tech, 9-3 OSU, and 7-5 ISU.

Last year in winning 5 of our last 6, we beat 5-7 UT, 3-9 ISU, 6-6 Baylor, 2-10 KU, 6-6 TCU.

Last year's team finished with a worse offense and special teams, but better defense.

Thompson impacted each of this year's last 3 wins over bowl teams in dramatic fashion.

This stat seems crazy to me.  Maybe the Vandy/TCU/ISU games have skewed my perception.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 28, 2017, 09:05:38 AM
This year in winning 4 of our last 5, we beat 1-11 KU, 6-6 Tech, 9-3 OSU, and 7-5 ISU.

Last year in winning 5 of our last 6, we beat 5-7 UT, 3-9 ISU, 6-6 Baylor, 2-10 KU, 6-6 TCU.

Last year's team finished with a worse offense and special teams, but better defense.

Thompson impacted each of this year's last 3 wins over bowl teams in dramatic fashion.

This stat seems crazy to me.  Maybe the Vandy/TCU/ISU games have skewed my perception.

Oops, I typed that wrong.

It should say last year had a better offense (by about 20 teams in the rating), better defense (by about 20) and worse special teams (by about 30).
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: BW on November 28, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Love the ability to keep play alive, but IMO, also needs to realize when to throw it away. Seems there was an few times where he took a sack or ran for a yard when the best option was to get rid of it. Sure this will come with experience.

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: mocat on November 28, 2017, 09:57:13 AM
This year in winning 4 of our last 5, we beat 1-11 KU, 6-6 Tech, 9-3 OSU, and 7-5 ISU.

Last year in winning 5 of our last 6, we beat 5-7 UT, 3-9 ISU, 6-6 Baylor, 2-10 KU, 6-6 TCU.

Last year's team finished with a worse offense and special teams, but better defense.

Thompson impacted each of this year's last 3 wins over bowl teams in dramatic fashion.

This stat seems crazy to me.  Maybe the Vandy/TCU/ISU games have skewed my perception.

total points scored in regulation (including def and ST scores) with each opponent's defense ranking listed:

55 vs #113 charlotte
45 vs #43 osu
35 vs #51 ttu
35 vs #47 ou
33 vs #111 baylor
30 vs #112 ku
27 vs #9 ut
23 vs #95 wvu
20 vs #23 isu
7 vs #78 vandy
6 vs #3 tcu

this doesn't tell the whole story but obviously west virginia and vanderbilt jump out as hugely disappointing scoring performances

these were the scoring totals vandy gave up in SEC play (avert your eyes if you are squeamish):

59
38
45
57
34
44
45
24
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
What a bizarre game Vandy was. Even knowing now that we weren’t good, it’s still just mind boggling.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 28, 2017, 10:06:59 AM
Vandy still ticks me off. My goodness what a pitiful offensive performance.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: cfbandyman on November 28, 2017, 10:58:50 AM
Love the ability to keep play alive, but IMO, also needs to realize when to throw it away. Seems there was an few times where he took a sack or ran for a yard when the best option was to get rid of it. Sure this will come with experience.

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Yeah, there have been several times he's make it go from 1st and 10 to 2nd and 11 by running out instead of just tossing it. Agree it'll come in time.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: dmartin on November 28, 2017, 11:05:50 AM
At least move more toward the Waters version. Shouldn't be that hard.

The waters version still had him running it 154 times in 2014, good enough for 7th in the Big12 in rushing attempts.  :frown:

They need to move to the Chad May version. May was slow, but ran some here and there for a wrinkle. Good running back. Threw it all over the place. That was fun.

We've already got the stadium counting down the play clock like we did with May, might as well go all in.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 28, 2017, 05:33:45 PM

Side note, I think Delton is done if you were to believe this post.

https://www.bringonthecats.com/k-state-slate/2017/11/27/16704440/kansas-state-wildcats-fans-schadenfreude-tennessee-volunteers-expense-john-currie-greg-schiano#454127097

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"BlackCats" This
Rumor is he’s done, with an eye to come back as a GA ASAP
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: IPA4Me on November 28, 2017, 05:46:21 PM
Damn. That sucks for Delton. Hope he doesn't have long term side effects from the concussions.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
I think he's just smart enough to not put his future in unnecessary risk for at best a couple more college football seasons.  If he's really interested in coaching then showing that kind of judgment is a great start.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pete on November 28, 2017, 07:57:46 PM
Agreed.  Happy for him, if true.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: TheTruth on November 28, 2017, 08:20:15 PM

Side note, I think Delton is done if you were to believe this post.

https://www.bringonthecats.com/k-state-slate/2017/11/27/16704440/kansas-state-wildcats-fans-schadenfreude-tennessee-volunteers-expense-john-currie-greg-schiano#454127097

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"BlackCats" This
Rumor is he’s done, with an eye to come back as a GA ASAP

If true, we have zero depth next year. I would think they would go try to find a juco QB if this is accurate.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2017, 08:24:40 PM

Side note, I think Delton is done if you were to believe this post.

https://www.bringonthecats.com/k-state-slate/2017/11/27/16704440/kansas-state-wildcats-fans-schadenfreude-tennessee-volunteers-expense-john-currie-greg-schiano#454127097

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"BlackCats" This
Rumor is he’s done, with an eye to come back as a GA ASAP

If true, we have zero depth next year. I would think they would go try to find a juco QB if this is accurate.

Don't we have one commit and a juco target already? Might look to land a grad transfer as well.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatPower on November 28, 2017, 09:21:27 PM

Side note, I think Delton is done if you were to believe this post.

https://www.bringonthecats.com/k-state-slate/2017/11/27/16704440/kansas-state-wildcats-fans-schadenfreude-tennessee-volunteers-expense-john-currie-greg-schiano#454127097

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"BlackCats" This
Rumor is he’s done, with an eye to come back as a GA ASAP

If true, we have zero depth next year. I would think they would go try to find a juco QB if this is accurate.

Don't we have one commit and a juco target already? Might look to land a grad transfer as well.

We do.  Commit is John Holcombe.  Not sure about the juco recruit though.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2017, 11:20:23 PM
Unfortunate but I can see why he'd make that choice.  Would be great to see him play elsewhere on the field - but not at the risk of long term health.

Startin to feel little like 2015 again.  Just hope we don't lose Skylar on the first snap of the season...
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 29, 2017, 08:32:20 AM
Looks like Sammy Wheeler might be our backup next  year.  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on November 29, 2017, 08:39:34 AM
the Holcombe kid is huge, like 6-4 235 or something stupid
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 29, 2017, 08:42:27 AM
Looks like Sammy Wheeler might be our backup next  year.  :horrorsurprise:
If this is true, this will be our backup for now, assuming they red shirt Holcombe and we get no other additions.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/sammy-wheeler-181942
Title: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 29, 2017, 08:53:59 AM
Very good nickname possibilities for Slingin’ Sammy / Wheels. Very excited for the future.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pvegs on November 29, 2017, 09:32:50 AM
Next year will be interesting with the QB depth. It was re-iterated to me yesterday from someone who watched on the field daily that Sky was the best QB on the team from day 1 and just needed a chance. This is not news. It's just that everyone knew it, whether you were a janitor, a player, a coach, or a  whatever.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 29, 2017, 09:46:43 AM
Could finally break out the Secret Sammy offensive package in mop up duty.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 09:47:04 AM
Next year will be interesting with the QB depth. It was re-iterated to me yesterday from someone who watched on the field daily that Sky was the best QB on the team from day 1 and just needed a chance. This is not news. It's just that everyone knew it, whether you were a janitor, a player, a coach, or a  whatever.

We've seen enough to know that Sky is far and away the most talented passer we had, the quarterback best suited to move the ball most efficiently. I think we also know that he was the third best quarterback when it comes to game management, which is obviously no surprise. He's also the third best runner. Given he's the third best game manager and the third best runner, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that this staff didn't hold his ability in the passing game in the same regard as the other stuff.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 29, 2017, 09:50:13 AM
Qb depth is definitely a concern after what we've experienced 2 out of the past 3 seasons. I mean MIR's man Hall saw a meaningful snap at a crucial time at OSU this year. I just hope we can keep Sky healthy next year.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 29, 2017, 09:59:00 AM
It's not like they asked Sky to do much designed running. It's possible he's a better runner than what we've been led to believe. They clearly didn't want him getting banged up.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
It's not like they asked Sky to do much designed running. It's possible he's a better runner than what we've been led to believe. They clearly didn't want him getting banged up.

He has 64 rushing attempts what amounts to 4 and a quarter games. In those 4.25 games he has more attempts than Warmack and Silmon and only ONE less than Sisco. Let that sit in. Not only does he has only one less rush than Sisco in much less playing time, but most of these rush attempts came with no backup. He's run far far far too much, and definitely enough to know he's far and away the third best runner.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 29, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
To be fair, quite a few of his rush attempts are him taking off when the pocket breaks down. IMO he often tucks and runs a little early, but that isn't a surprise for a younger guy.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 10:25:50 AM
To be fair, quite a few of his rush attempts are him taking off when the pocket breaks down. IMO he often tucks and runs a little early, but that isn't a surprise for a younger guy.

True but it isn't like Sisco and Delton were throwing balls away either. It's pretty clear these guys are instructed to avoid that. Remember how frustrating it was when Klein would hold the ball in the pocket for what seemed like 20 minutes?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DQ12 on November 29, 2017, 10:27:53 AM
I have noticed that thompson, in particular, more than Ertz, Waters, or Klein, has an aversion to throwing the ball away.  I agree with _fan:  it looks to me like inexperience.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
I think they tried to protect him from running against KU and TT.  Once he was the starter against OSU, they just decided to let it rip some.  Against OSU, I feel like KSU tried to take advantage of his lack of running on the first drive to force OSU to account for him.  Once they did that, they tried to run him less.

Seems to me that they are trying to walk a line between protecting our last QB standing while acknowledging that he needs to run to have an offense that is even somewhat effective.  I have a hard time comparing his carries to any of our RBs individually when their snap counts are so varied from game to game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 29, 2017, 10:40:18 AM
To be fair, quite a few of his rush attempts are him taking off when the pocket breaks down. IMO he often tucks and runs a little early, but that isn't a surprise for a younger guy.

That was the point of my designed run comment.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 10:41:27 AM
Not trying to argue, I just wanted to look it up because I didn't remember, Thompson had 10 rushes in the second half against KU :flush: what the hell were we doing?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 10:44:46 AM
To be fair, quite a few of his rush attempts are him taking off when the pocket breaks down. IMO he often tucks and runs a little early, but that isn't a surprise for a younger guy.

That was the point of my designed run comment.

What percentage of his 64 runs would you guess are scrambles? Even if it was 20% that still gives him 50 rushes in 4 games. That's far too many for a third stringer and still enough to know that he's the third best runner.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: everyone shut up on November 29, 2017, 10:50:34 AM
It seems to me that they've told him to avoid contact at all times. That would make a runner look less capable. But I still think, given our depth, its still too much. Let the rb's carry the load.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2017, 10:52:07 AM
Not trying to argue, I just wanted to look it up because I didn't remember, Thompson had 10 rushes in the second half against KU :flush: what the hell were we doing?

Yea, that was higher than I thought.  I'm not sure how many were pass attempts or if some of that was due to Delton potentially being available still (Snyder said he was at half but he also tends to lie his ass off about QBs).  I remember watching it thinking he wasn't running it much and was handing it off on reads where he should keep it.  Not sure if the second part was due to inexperience or at the direction of coaches.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 29, 2017, 10:58:24 AM
I don't think there were a ton of designed runs down the stretch.

But of course with no other options and Sky already injured going into OSU, we come out and feature QB run game all the way down the field. :lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 29, 2017, 11:03:47 AM
I cant wait until he figures out that when he scrambles out of the pocket he can throw it away and not take a 2 yard loss every time
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2017, 11:05:58 AM
I cant wait until he figures out that when he scrambles out of the pocket he can throw it away and not take a 2 yard loss and a hit every time
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on November 29, 2017, 11:16:31 AM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 29, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
yeah.. cause that's what I was talking about  :lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 11:24:36 AM
So this topic intrigued me a bit so I wanted to look up the other conference QB rushing attempts, especially given Baker, Kenny, and Will Grier are all good to great runners.
   
1. Sam Ehlinger 103 in 8 damn games :sdeek:
2. Alex Delton 80
3. Baker Mayfield 79
4. Kenny Hill    78
5. Charlie Brewer 65
6. Jesse Ertz    65
7. Skylar Thompson 64
8. Will Grier 63

If you were to break this down per snap, I'm definitely not doing that, I'd guess Delton, Ehlinger, Thompson would be 1, 2, 3.

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 11:27:22 AM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: muqluk on November 29, 2017, 11:32:19 AM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

Absolutely should have thrown it away - I was losing my mind to the point that the kids and dogs were hiding under sturdy furniture.

That said, the kid has the inner spark of an aggressive winner. Love it. Just might need to think about heart medication come August...
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on November 29, 2017, 11:40:11 AM
sounds like you guys want an Alex Smith when we have a Brett Favre, smdh
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on November 29, 2017, 11:43:17 AM
I'd be more excited about him if I didn't think Bill was forcing blood transfusions from him to get a few more years of life.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 29, 2017, 11:56:01 AM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

I don't think it was a fade, but it was supposed to be a quick throw. Thompson looks left immediately, both Pringle and Rheuter run quick curl routes and begin to pin into out cuts. I think they were anticipating a different coverage after the miss on the previous back corner fade to Pringle.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2017, 12:09:14 PM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

I don't think it was a fade, but it was supposed to be a quick throw. Thompson looks left immediately, both Pringle and Rheuter run quick curl routes and begin to pin into out cuts. I think they were anticipating a different coverage after the miss on the previous back corner fade to Pringle.

Zuber said in the postgame that his route was a fade though it was clear that Thompson wasn't looking over there on the snap. I had the thought that the play sequence was going to be fade left, fade right, fade left, run on 4th.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 29, 2017, 12:26:29 PM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

I don't think it was a fade, but it was supposed to be a quick throw. Thompson looks left immediately, both Pringle and Rheuter run quick curl routes and begin to pin into out cuts. I think they were anticipating a different coverage after the miss on the previous back corner fade to Pringle.

Zuber said in the postgame that his route was a fade though it was clear that Thompson wasn't looking over there on the snap. I had the thought that the play sequence was going to be fade left, fade right, fade left, run on 4th.

Yeah, I heard that and wondered what he was talking about because he didn't run a fade either. They all ran pin and out routes. I'm guessing they had a read on their release and ran those off of the read.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 29, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

I don't think it was a fade, but it was supposed to be a quick throw. Thompson looks left immediately, both Pringle and Rheuter run quick curl routes and begin to pin into out cuts. I think they were anticipating a different coverage after the miss on the previous back corner fade to Pringle.
well considering snyds said this exact thing in his post game that's not going out on a limb FAN1
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 29, 2017, 12:28:18 PM
Hot take, #skyguy could pass Jake Waters, and possibly CK7 as best QBs in Snyder 2.0 era :gocho:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on November 29, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
yeah, he should have thrown it away on the last play against Iowa State, what was he thinking  :rolleyes:

He absolutely should have thrown that away. That was designed to be a fade that would have given us one or two more plays. He made a hell of a play but it wasn't the right play.

I don't think it was a fade, but it was supposed to be a quick throw. Thompson looks left immediately, both Pringle and Rheuter run quick curl routes and begin to pin into out cuts. I think they were anticipating a different coverage after the miss on the previous back corner fade to Pringle.
well considering snyds said this exact thing in his post game that's not going out on a limb FAN1

 :curse:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 29, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
:lol:


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on November 29, 2017, 02:13:20 PM
Looks like Sammy Wheeler might be our backup next  year.  :horrorsurprise:
If this is true, this will be our backup for now, assuming they red shirt Holcombe and we get no other additions.

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/sammy-wheeler-181942
Looks from film to be a very good battering ram style QB.   :emawkid:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kso_FWN on December 01, 2017, 06:55:31 AM
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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2017, 09:22:58 AM
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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: LickNeckey on December 01, 2017, 09:44:25 AM
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for both of these games i was out of my traditional seats and sitting lower rows in the SEZ
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on December 01, 2017, 09:52:47 AM
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for both of these games i was out of my traditional seats and sitting lower rows in the SEZ

The Bishop one was in the end zone fun zone, northeast corner.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DQ12 on December 01, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
that's funny.  on monday of this week i was on the phone with my dad (gE.c user "dumdeedum") and I said "you know what that last play reminded me of?"  and he said "bishop to mcdonald?"  i said "yep."
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on December 01, 2017, 10:23:18 AM
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for both of these games i was out of my traditional seats and sitting lower rows in the SEZ

I'm certain that the go ahead TD in Bill's first last game against mizzou, an underneath to Jordy(i think) was the same play that quincy morgan took in against nebraska in the snow.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: kstofer on December 01, 2017, 12:05:02 PM
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for both of these games i was out of my traditional seats and sitting lower rows in the SEZ

I'm certain that the go ahead TD in Bill's first last game against mizzou, an underneath to Jordy(i think) was the same play that quincy morgan took in against nebraska in the snow.
3:50 mark if the link doesn't take you there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iy0KU5Vgs0#t=03m50s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iy0KU5Vgs0#t=03m50s)
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on December 01, 2017, 12:06:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTLYquGrsPE
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Trim on December 26, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
I still see no appreciable difference between the 2 non-ertz quarterbacks, aside from the current amount of CTE.

They're still both fine, and their successes and failures will be situational.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on December 26, 2017, 11:00:37 PM
Well I absolutely would not discount the concussion issues and still think Delton should hang it up after this, but otherwise completely agree.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 30, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
Delton has the same concussion issues every other human has. Getting hit really hard on the head will give you a concussion.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on December 30, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
Delton has the same concussion issues every other human has. Getting hit really hard on the head will give you a concussion.

Now that he's presumably out of the woods for second impact syndrome, sure. That second concussion was a much bigger deal than people made it out to be. Second impact syndrome is real and it's deadly, happened in Ottawa somewhat recently.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KST8FAN on December 30, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
You may have seen this already http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article191848169.html

Mom's claim in this article the NCAA does not have a return to play concussion policy like the NFL?

Tom

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2017, 12:05:28 AM
You may have seen this already http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/guest-commentary/article191848169.html

Mom's claim in this article the NCAA does not have a return to play concussion policy like the NFL?

Tom

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The fact that Delton was in after one of the cheap shots he took at tech was borderline criminal IMO
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on September 15, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
These 2018 Cats aren’t that fun to watch, but that deep ball is a thing of beauty. :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on September 15, 2018, 04:43:01 PM
Constant under and overthrows, true beauty.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2018, 04:43:20 PM
Thing is sky is a sophomore and times he looks like it but he's going to be fun to watch the next three seasons. He was awful throwing the ball in the first quarter but it looks like things are slowing down for him.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on September 15, 2018, 04:46:30 PM
He...like half our team makes a lot of braindead plays.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2018, 04:48:36 PM
He...like half our team makes a lot of braindead plays.

Like what? He's missed a couple of throws, what else?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on September 15, 2018, 05:10:08 PM
He...like half our team makes a lot of braindead plays.

Like what? He's missed a couple of throws, what else?

Idk I just post angry crap during games. Some might call me a braindead poster.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on September 15, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
Those legs! :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on September 15, 2018, 05:11:43 PM
Purple Sky Warning
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 15, 2018, 05:21:40 PM
There you go, hemmy
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on September 15, 2018, 05:49:56 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Skipper44 on September 15, 2018, 09:13:44 PM
He is reluctant to keep on the zone read - maybe he gets aggressive in Conference play
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: POWL on September 19, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Skylar throws a nice ball..........it makes me kind of sad that he doesn't have a kick ass receiving crew ..........if he did, i think the dude would just sling it all over the field.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Steffy08 on September 19, 2018, 02:25:21 PM
He is reluctant to keep on the zone read - maybe he gets aggressive in Conference play

Yes, we have not been greatly successful running the ball with our running backs so far.
What will happen, I predict, is that we will run the QB much more frequently in conference play.
It will work to get our running game going.  The only question is whether Thompson can handle the beating.
Unfortunately, I think Delton will be our starter (because of injury) by the Baylor game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MadCat on September 19, 2018, 02:30:12 PM
The road to rolling wildcats to purple is paved with the sketti brains of starting quarterbacks.
-ancient EMAW proverb
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: PIPE on September 19, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
He is reluctant to keep on the zone read - maybe he gets aggressive in Conference play

Yes, we have not been greatly successful running the ball with our running backs so far.
What will happen, I predict, is that we will run the QB much more frequently in conference play.
It will work to get our running game going.  The only question is whether Thompson can handle the beating.
Unfortunately, I think Delton (whoever 3rd string QB is) will be our starter (because of injuries) by the Baylor game.


Fixed it
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on September 22, 2018, 06:08:45 PM
Skyler is not good relative to his peers in the big 12. Maybe he's good relative to the KU and ISU guys but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 22, 2018, 06:10:01 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on September 22, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
Watching on TV, I did not get the benefit of seeing the whole field, but I have good reason to believe our WRs suck at getting open in addition to catching.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on September 22, 2018, 06:22:45 PM
Watching on TV, I did not get the benefit of seeing the whole field, but I have good reason to believe our WRs suck at getting open in addition to catching.
Our OL sucks too. Which is probably more disappointing than Skyler.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pett on September 22, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
DO NOT blame this crap on skylar :cry:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on September 22, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
Both QBs looked better last year. If I was Skylar I would want to transfer.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: bshea85 on September 22, 2018, 07:34:15 PM
Both QBs looked better last year. If I was Skylar I would want to transfer.

That's the word on the street.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 08, 2019, 10:23:23 AM
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 08, 2019, 10:30:18 AM
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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 08, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
 :lol:

And congrats wacky, Breck Fanning is a great QB name.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 08, 2019, 07:23:44 PM
Thanks, bud! I thought the same.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on September 09, 2019, 10:30:08 AM
Been a #SkyGuy since 2017
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 09, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
Been a #SkyGuy since 2017

 :opcat: (ftp://:opcat:)
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on September 09, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Been a #SkyGuy since 2017

 :opcat: (ftp://:opcat:)<------<!

So WTF is this about?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: I_have_purplewood on September 09, 2019, 01:19:58 PM
Been a #SkyGuy since 2017

 :opcat: (ftp://:opcat:)<------<!

So WTF is this about?  :dunno:
Sorry, I had just come over from the pit..
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: manpow5 on September 16, 2019, 05:34:54 PM
?s=19
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on September 16, 2019, 08:14:15 PM
The apology thread when Sky goes in the 3rd round is gonna be amazing.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 16, 2019, 10:23:14 PM
The apology thread when Sky goes in the 3rd round is gonna be amazing.

We will all be living in Wacky's world that day.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 16, 2019, 10:24:08 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 16, 2019, 10:27:24 PM
I can't stop thinking about how good my guy Sisco would have been with Kliemate Change. That '17 team was way better than this one.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on September 16, 2019, 11:42:02 PM
I can't stop thinking about how good my guy Sisco would have been with Kliemate Change. That '17 team was way better than this one.

Batter ram offense and weak knees are not a good combo. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2019, 10:43:35 AM
 :whistle1:

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: schreds21 on September 20, 2019, 12:51:01 PM
Wacky is going to body bag 3/4 of this blog.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
:love: I might take off the following Monday after the draft just to BBS my lil heart out and dunk on every single one of you.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 20, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
Not all of us.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2019, 04:10:06 PM
:thumbs: I know. :cheers:


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 20, 2019, 05:46:35 PM
:love: I might take off the following Monday after the draft just to BBS my lil heart out and dunk on every single one of you.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2019, 05:53:56 PM
:lol:


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on September 20, 2019, 06:39:20 PM
:thumbs: I know. :cheers:


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Sky-walker has been my pilot since day one.  :moreira: :bigtoke:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on September 20, 2019, 06:59:31 PM
:whistle1:

?s=20

wacky draft day 2021 may be the best day of your life
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2019, 07:00:29 PM
What if he goes undrafted and signs with a team and makes the 53 man roster?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 20, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
:whistle1:

?s=20

wacky draft day 2021 may be the best day of your life
:thumbs:

What if he goes undrafted and signs with a team and makes the 53 man roster?
Counts. I don’t have the want to, to look it up, but I believe it started by me saying he’s got NFL intangibles and has a shot at the league and everyone lost their collective crap.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: OK_Cat on September 22, 2019, 11:27:56 PM
Official rules are that on opening day of the nfl season Skyler had to be on a roster, doesn’t matter how he gets there.




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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 07:36:28 PM
Official rules are that on opening day of the nfl season Skyler had to be on a roster, doesn’t matter how he gets there.




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Practice squad counts too, right? Teams only carry two QB’s on the 53 these days.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on September 26, 2019, 09:01:30 PM
No
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 26, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Must be #1 overall pick and opening day starter.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:29:08 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:30:10 PM
If the dude ever gets an NFL paycheck, it counts fellas. Sorry.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on September 26, 2019, 09:31:34 PM
Practice squad is a push at best for you
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
would take. He’s not going to be a franchise QB. He has a lot of Colt McCoy type career in him.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
I mean sky played ok on the last drive and overtime, but I don't get being down on Delton.  Sky certainly didn't look like any kind of senior qb to me for the vast majority of his time on the field.

Don't get me wrong, he might be really good but I think declaring him the starter from now on and dumping Delton seems a bit crazy.
Stick to IT, rook.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on September 26, 2019, 09:45:42 PM
:dubious:

:D
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
I’d start Dylan (RIP) over Thompson every day


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:23 PM
Sky has looked great today. Lineup and apologize ASAP!
Sky and Carson Coffman, 2 peas in a pod
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 10:00:32 PM
I don’t care if Thompson transfers.  He’s not very good.
:lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Like maybe 5 NFL QB’s do that right now

You’re on the wrong side of this one, friend. Thompson is trash.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on September 26, 2019, 10:04:53 PM
Don’t you dare backpedal to the practice squad. He’s making a 53 man roster and you are going to flaunt that crap in the haters faces for weeks and months.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 26, 2019, 10:05:38 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on September 27, 2019, 08:11:54 AM
wacky you deserve this one
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2019, 08:30:16 AM
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pete on September 27, 2019, 08:40:30 AM
Sky all the way for me. (GTFOOMF Alex Delton)
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on September 28, 2019, 08:46:22 PM
:blank:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 08:47:11 PM
What has he done wrong this game, Chings?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on September 28, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
:blank:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on September 28, 2019, 09:10:57 PM
Wake me up when he converts a third down.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 28, 2019, 09:12:05 PM
What has he done wrong this game, Chings?

Well he did just miss a wide open guy right in front of him in favor of trying to run for the first down, which of course cost us our only chance at converting a third down tonight (and squandered us getting the ball out of halftime). But everyone is culpable in this gigantic turd of a game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 09:13:56 PM
Yes, this happened after my post. He has no one to throw to right now. Even when he puts one on a dime, it’s on a worthless go route to one of our many shitty TE’s.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on September 28, 2019, 09:14:03 PM
Let me be clear: this game isn't Skylar's fault.  But if he was a better QB it would help.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on September 28, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Yes, this happened after my post. He has no one to throw to right now. Even when he puts one on a dime, it’s on a worthless go route to one of our many shitty TE’s.

This is true. He has made a few throws that have just been straight up dropped. It's an awful game all around. At this point I would legit like us to just play John Holcomb II and see him just wildcattin' around. Let's just 2009 Daniel Thomas the rest of this thing, maybe it'd at least make it semi-interesting.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: OK_Cat on September 28, 2019, 10:47:27 PM
MODS, please change my name to Fanman69 when I win the bet.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 10:49:29 PM
 Would love a Loop of our seal squad today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Bloodfart on September 28, 2019, 11:07:19 PM
MODS, please change my name to Fanman69 when I win the bet.


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Link pls
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2019, 11:36:02 PM
He threw to 3 walk ons today with Malik out🤷???
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2019, 09:40:41 PM
He wasn't good fanman. He didn't step up in the pocket at all, like never. He was fading away and right all night. Like Chingon said, the loss wasn't his fault but he reverted back to old habits that people blamed on the old staff. He's got to stand in the pocket and learn how to buy himself time. Last night he played like a one read quarterback.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on September 30, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
he missed a few reads, but when you have 5'6 wide receivers to throw to, it's probably hard to see them out there
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 04:38:29 PM
He doesn’t look like an NFL player today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
Great take, dumbass.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2019, 04:40:40 PM
 :dubious:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 04:41:24 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 04:42:04 PM



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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: mocat on October 05, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Most nfl QBs suuuuuuuuuuuck, though
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
Hey eff faces, shut up!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 04:52:32 PM
I just think everyone should know WN told filly I was talking bad about her back in the day on here so he could pray he got some 2nd hand crap by being a bitch. That is all. Go cats!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: mocat on October 05, 2019, 04:56:16 PM
Ftr I was being serious
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
Ball game.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2019, 05:06:11 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 05:07:09 PM
He would be a great GA at Fort Hays, though.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: fatdamon on October 05, 2019, 05:10:24 PM
someone should tell skyguy we dont get points for dropping back for 2 seconds then jogging to the right sideline
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:12:47 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?
Grats, bud. Sorry I hurt your friend Stevesie’s feelings.



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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:13:33 PM
He would be a great GA at Fort Hays, though.
No comment to your narking? Classic.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2019, 05:15:32 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?
Grats, bud. Sorry I hurt your friend Stevesie’s feelings.



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The Venn diagram of this and that doesn’t overlap
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:21:33 PM
Stevesie is somehow an angel to you dorks. He personally insulted me many times back in the day and then couldn’t have children, adopted kids and left his wife, remarried with a crap ton of adopted kids, still gets high AF with said kids and he’s your rough ridin' hero. He serves you drinks, he’s not Batman dumbasses.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2019, 05:23:36 PM
Wacky, no


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: mocat on October 05, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
Wtf
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
Sorry, I’m over it.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:25:54 PM
Wtf
I know, right?


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
He would be a great GA at Fort Hays, though.
No comment to your narking? Classic.


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Hey man you are reaching back pretty far and also assuming I’m the only one on the board that knew her.  Pretty sure I was giving you the heads up Vs narking.  Aren’t you happily married now?  Weird post.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Super PurpleCat on October 05, 2019, 05:27:44 PM
Rename this thread something more appropriate right
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 05, 2019, 05:28:33 PM
Dude is allergic to throwing the ball away.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:29:00 PM
I am. That was the most wtf thing of my lifetime tho. You were the only one.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on October 05, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
I’m pretty sad about holcombe now :-(


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 05:36:35 PM
I am. That was the most wtf thing of my lifetime tho. You were the only one.


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The only one that gave you a heads up?  Yep you are welcome.  I was trying to get you to shut up.  Didn’t nark though.   :frown: Remember you have been very open about who you are on this board for a long time.  That didn’t work in your favor then.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 05, 2019, 05:40:29 PM
You didn’t give a heads up. You spewed your crap. There was no problem until you reached out to her. I’m definitely happily married, but when you post I think of a shitty troll who tries too hard for ass.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: WildcatNkilt on October 05, 2019, 05:44:41 PM
You didn’t give a heads up. You spewed your crap. There was no problem until you reached out to her. I’m definitely happily married, but when you post I think of a shitty troll who tries too hard for ass.


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Yea man you are way off base.  I’ve been married for 10 years and haven’t lived in Manhattan for more than that.  But whatever gives you peace.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on October 05, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
This must be what validation feels like :gocho:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 05, 2019, 10:25:45 PM
weird thread
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 06, 2019, 10:24:01 AM
Watching sky yesterday was tragic. That was such a boring ass game. :frown:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: EMAWzifried on October 06, 2019, 10:59:44 AM
Rename this thread something more appropriate right
It's good. It's just a low, overcast sky.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 06, 2019, 11:08:46 AM
He’s also still the best we got so far, so Im sticking with it.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 06, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
Skywalker will change your minds before he leaves this team.  TRUST ME!!!   :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 06, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
We're heading for a 5-7 record and you dumb asses are surprised, SMH. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 07, 2019, 08:47:19 AM
feel like i def missed whatever the eff was going on saturday in wacky's world
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 07, 2019, 09:57:10 AM
Level 7?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
I can’t get over how big the difference between a scrambling Charlie Brewer and a scrambling Skylar Thompson was Saturday. Every time Brewer was forced to improvise you held your breath because he was calm, perceptive and decisive leading to play after big play. Thompson on the other hand looked utterly clueless in these same situations.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: meow meow on October 07, 2019, 10:01:40 AM
i didn't watch the game saturday, how much of it was skylar vs having below average receivers?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on October 07, 2019, 10:04:54 AM
I’d say skyler has a very difficult time “whizzing it in there” which is important to be able to do when your WRs “suck crap” so I’d say a combo of both.


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Brock Landers on October 07, 2019, 10:09:47 AM
Rename this thread something more appropriate right

Thread title is still accurate, just not in a good way
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on October 07, 2019, 10:25:56 AM
i didn't watch the game saturday, how much of it was skylar vs having below average receivers?

Prob has some to do with it, but guys were open as guys usually get open when QBs scramble. Granted, BUs pass rushers are prob faster than ours as well.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 07, 2019, 06:50:57 PM
Look at the dog crap front line.  He's running for his life most of the time with a slue of dog crap WR's.  If Jaylan Hurts had to operate behind this line he wouldn't be a Heisman's candidate; that's for sure.   
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 09, 2019, 09:01:38 PM
I’m pretty sad about holcombe now :-(


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Yep   :cry:

and we all will be even sadder if Sky gets hurt and Joe Hubener has to play . . .
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 19, 2019, 04:32:38 PM
 :love: :surprised:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2019, 04:44:46 PM
Converting that 4th down on the last drive was nails.  He did just enough to win today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on October 19, 2019, 05:14:40 PM
More GOOD than bad! Honestly great to see him bounce back.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 19, 2019, 06:53:34 PM
He ran that last drive for the win like the true champ we all know him to be.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: hemmy on October 19, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
11/23 172 yards, great bounce back
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on October 19, 2019, 10:06:32 PM
11/23 172 yards, great bounce back

Print that dub. Print it long and print it good.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2019, 01:30:46 AM
Go back and read this thread, I haven't really been tough on him, he was rough ridin' AWFUL today, AWFUL!!! That being said I'm glad he nutted up at the end of the game. Dude overthrew not one, not two, not three, but four different seam/go routes that all would have been touchdowns if properly thrown. Their safeties didn't even attempt to cover deep receivers. And how about him pitching the ball 8 yards backwards to the ground, woof.

He still struggled most of the time with moving up in the pocket. He did seem to get more comfortable stepping up as the game went along, although he backfooted that pass along the sideline to Malik, as nice of a pass and catch it was. Klieman made a really big show about praising Skylar after the touchdown pass to the homie Wyking.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2019, 01:47:05 AM
Also can you imagine the score today if both teams traded quarterbacks? We win by at least 24.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: KITNfury on October 20, 2019, 10:03:08 AM
He just doesn't appear comfortable in the pocket. And he probably shouldn't.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pete on October 20, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Also can you imagine the score today if both teams traded quarterbacks? We win by at least 24.

I agree with this, and I'd go further and say that if we had called the same number of QB runs that they called we would have won with a comfortable margin.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2019, 10:42:09 PM
 :sdeek: Is that more damning of that metric or of the quality of college quarterbacks
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
MY rough ridin' GUY!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on October 26, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
Dude is crushing it today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on October 26, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Pillboi
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: OK_Cat on October 26, 2019, 02:53:57 PM
Best game as a cat


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on October 26, 2019, 03:36:20 PM
Pounded the dang stone
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on October 26, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Pounded the dang end zone really
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: fatdamon on October 26, 2019, 03:47:17 PM
#OurGuy freakin’ Al Buddy’s today.  STUD
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on October 26, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
Wacky you have earned this. Go get up to a level 11. Happy for you, bud. He was nails!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:03:29 PM
Wacky you have earned this. Go get up to a level 11. Happy for you, bud. He was nails!
:cheers:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 26, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
Happy #SkyDay Wacks!


Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:05:56 PM
OMG! :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:10:18 PM
I just unblocked him for finally spitting the truth. He rough ridin' balled today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on October 26, 2019, 04:23:47 PM
Skyler was dealing and making great decisions


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Sky has been part of two amazing games I’ll always remember. The walk off vs ISU and today. I wish whoever didn’t bring up how he only looks at one WR out of a play, because he does, and I definitely noticed that today, but whatever. What an amazing win!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: bucket on October 26, 2019, 04:34:43 PM
He ran like a got damn man today!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: OK_Cat on October 26, 2019, 04:39:51 PM
I just unblocked him for finally spitting the truth. He rough ridin' balled today.

We’re friends again!


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:40:23 PM
Cheers, bud!


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on October 26, 2019, 04:48:50 PM
It’s pretty great reuniting friends after a Cats win
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2019, 04:52:26 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?

This guy's prospective of Skywaker is very stupid; don't you agree, Wacky.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:57:33 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 04:59:47 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?

This guy's prospective of Skywaker is very stupid; don't you agree, Wacky.
He’s a fellow cat, so meow, but I still think he loves me deep down. Cats!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 05:06:07 PM
 
It’s pretty great reuniting friends after a Cats win
#1cat always
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2019, 05:10:14 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?

This guy's prospective of Skywaker is very stupid; don't you agree, Wacky.
He’s a fellow cat, so meow, but I still think he loves me deep down. Cats!

Should have made this clear.  I am speaking of Skywaker ability, which I have always believed in.  :crossfingers:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on October 26, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
Wacky, I’m looking forward to you leaving the board when skyler takes a GA position at fort hays. Can you even imagine thinking this guy was an NFL QB?

This guy's prospective of Skywaker is very stupid; don't you agree, Wacky.
He’s a fellow cat, so meow, but I still think he loves me deep down. Cats!
I think sky is a pretty good Cats QB. He’s no Matt Moore tho
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 26, 2019, 05:13:49 PM
 :cheers: Damn straight!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on October 26, 2019, 07:58:09 PM
Skywalker will be listed with Freeman, Bishop, Klein, Beasley, and Ell as great KSU QB's.  :billdance:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on October 26, 2019, 08:24:43 PM
That kid today, man. That kid. Love him.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Chingon on October 26, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
Tonight he is king.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: fatdamon on October 26, 2019, 09:28:09 PM
#OurGuy freakin’ Al Buddy’s today.  STUD

Upon further review mad that I didn’t notice while driving down LHC Bill Snyder Family Highway that autocorrect boffed this up so bad.  Skyguy Al Bundy’d today.  He freakin’ Al Bundy’d.  4 tds in one game.  Last guy to do that was...Bazooka Joe??
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on October 26, 2019, 11:16:38 PM
Sky has been part of two amazing games I’ll always remember. The walk off vs ISU and today. I wish whoever didn’t bring up how he only looks at one WR out of a play, because he does, and I definitely noticed that today, but whatever. What an amazing win!

'17 OSU?

I think it's pretty clear that they need to let him run more like they did today, it seems to give him an overall confidence boost.  He was a grown man in the pocket.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 27, 2019, 10:31:34 AM
Yeah, that was a good one too.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 02, 2019, 04:41:42 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on November 02, 2019, 04:43:34 PM
Offense is way more effective with the threat of the QB run.  We don’t have a viable backup tho so hopefully he can avoid contact.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 02, 2019, 05:01:49 PM
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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on November 02, 2019, 09:36:49 PM
Skyler was great


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on November 02, 2019, 10:45:27 PM
Dumbass poster nicname made multiple posts about Skylar Thompson being oddly emotional and perhaps needing coddling. Said posts were in part in relation to the decently widely circulated theories and questions about about his body language earlier this season.

LMFAO, I'm an actual idiot.
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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 02, 2019, 10:48:21 PM
Dumbass poster nicname made multiple posts about Skylar Thompson being oddly emotional and perhaps needing coddling. Said posts were in part in relation to the decently widely circulated theories and questions about about his body language earlier this season.

LMFAO, I'm an actual idiot.
.

Thank you for apologizing. Us #ForevaSky fans do appreciate you finally know what we knew all along.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 09, 2019, 02:56:52 PM
Your weekly bump, for my guy!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on November 09, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
I’m a rough ridin' idiot for ever questioning him. I pray for forgiveness.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ben ji on November 10, 2019, 12:27:38 PM
Your weekly bump, for my guy!

SteadyEddie69, what kind of draft round are we looking at for our guy skylar? 4th? 5th?

How high could he rise after a heisman season next year? 1st?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 10, 2019, 09:06:39 PM
6th round for the Patriots and a decade of dominance.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on November 30, 2019, 08:20:32 PM
Just came in here to say

Woof
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: TaqMan on November 30, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
But he wears the black eye shade makeup thing like a boss?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
He's not good but he's the best we've got
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Trim on November 30, 2019, 08:47:48 PM
He's not good but he's the best we've got

Youngblood.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2019, 11:50:15 PM
I've thought about it and this is how they flood aggie'd this up this year. They managed to lose by double digits facing the worst statistical performance from a conference QB this season. Even Carter Stanley had a better QBR against Baylor today.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: slackcat on December 01, 2019, 05:54:19 AM
Just came in here to say

Woof

Yeah, the dropped passes and gale force wind his doing too. :rolleyes:

Sure he had his eff-ups but that's what makes him so luvable.  :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: wetwillie on December 01, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
He has become a very dangerous runner, its too bad he has a mediocre arm and pocket presence. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on December 01, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
His happy feet and slow reads are what’s stopping him from really getting the offense going. Klein made huge strides in that department between his JR and SR years so there is still hope.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: bucket on April 09, 2020, 10:25:15 PM
Quote
Pro Football Focus graded Kansas State senior Skylar Thompson with a 7.1% big-time throw rate, which ranked third in the FBS.

Believe it or not, Thompson's big-time throw rate placed one spot ahead of the godly Joe Burrow. Granted, Burrow's down-to-down consistency was significantly higher, but beating out Burrow in any category is quite the feat for Thompson. Thompson (6'2/212) is one of CFB's best dual-threat quarterbacks, making a name for himself as a rushing threat who can rip deep throws down the field. If Thompson can shore up some of the intermediate accuracy, he may be a force in the Big 12 in 2020.

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-the-best-returning-player-for-all-130-fbs-teams-ahead-of-the-2020-college-football-season
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: catastrophe on April 12, 2020, 09:08:51 PM
Validation must feel good for gE scout 420seriouscat69
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 13, 2020, 09:11:24 AM
 :gocho:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Katpappy on April 13, 2020, 01:35:41 PM
Skywalker will be listed with Freeman, Bishop, Klein, Beasley, and Ell as great KSU QB's.  :billdance:

Yea, it was just Wacky.  :confused:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 05, 2021, 02:00:27 PM
He's my guy, guys!

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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 1863 on February 05, 2021, 09:51:11 PM
He's my guy, guys!

?s=20

Translation: Saban called and Sky said to get lost.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: nicname on February 05, 2021, 11:09:49 PM
7
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: star seed 7 on February 07, 2021, 11:49:45 AM
It's a good number
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on May 21, 2021, 06:00:18 PM
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 18, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
lol, he was understandably mum about what his injury was when he was asked at media day on Tuesday. Someone at Manning Camp had no problem putting his business out there tho.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ben ji on July 18, 2021, 05:48:34 PM
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I want nothing more than for Sky to ball out this year and get drafted in the 6th round so Wacky can go back and bump all of his posts from 3 years ago.

Just mush it in our faces.

Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 19, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Pete on July 19, 2021, 01:48:31 PM
Yeah, go sky go. 
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2021, 01:49:51 PM
Oh boy, this could be the greatest victory lap that anyone has ever earned on goEMAW


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2021, 02:04:26 PM
YES FANNING!


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 19, 2021, 02:36:36 PM
We would all be fatdamon in the lawl thread
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2021, 05:15:21 PM
You can do this Wacky and Skyler!


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2021, 07:42:56 PM
One thing I would personally do is dunk on all of the haters and losers OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY alongside my man wacky if this happens


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2021, 06:29:41 AM
It would be a glorious day, bud! We got this! :cheers:
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ben ji on July 20, 2021, 09:52:20 AM
Someone with a subscription needs to tell me if Derrick Young is as smart as Wacky


https://kansasstate.rivals.com/news/fact-or-fiction-skylar-thompson-is-drafted-in-2022
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Yeah, post it!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ChiComCat on July 20, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
Skylar's getting to be relatively old which won't help for the developmental prospect that he would be.  There is absolutely no way in hell he gets drafted.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: ChiComCat on July 20, 2021, 02:07:00 PM
I'm actually about 80/20 that he goes undrafted but I'm going to hope that last post can be quoted and thrown in my face in a year.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2021, 02:22:14 PM
I don't know where the Skylar to the NFL talk started with me, but it's not in this thread, so i'm going to have to do some digging. He can still go UDFA and stick to a 53 man roster or practice squad and I win the bet. So, get ready to pay up, fellas! Also, didn't Weeden get drafted in the first round at like 43 years old? Watch the Panthers take him in the 6th or 7th.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DQ12 on July 20, 2021, 03:03:53 PM
I don't know where the Skylar to the NFL talk started with me, but it's not in this thread, so i'm going to have to do some digging. He can still go UDFA and stick to a 53 man roster or practice squad and I win the bet. So, get ready to pay up, fellas! Also, didn't Weeden get drafted in the first round at like 43 years old? Watch the Panthers take him in the 6th or 7th.

Oh hey look at that
If Thompson gets signed to an NFL team I’ll delete my account.

If he doesn’t, then you delete yours.

Deal?


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Total deal!


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2021, 03:16:41 PM
 :cheers: Was that in here?
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DaBigTrain on July 20, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
Lol Thompson will be in the NFL. We don’t have receivers dumb dumb


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I’ll give you 2500 to 1 odds on a $1 bet that Thompson never takes a regular season NFL snap as a QB

He’ll be on a roster


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Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 8manpick on July 20, 2021, 03:29:23 PM
Man, wacky should have taken that bet.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: DQ12 on July 20, 2021, 03:44:52 PM
:cheers: Was that in here?
No it was in the quoted thread.
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 20, 2021, 03:48:43 PM
Thanks, fam!
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: fatdamon on July 20, 2021, 06:55:54 PM
We would all be fatdamon in the lawl thread

lawl ya rite the lawl thread was one of the all-time worst takes in internet herstory
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: pissclams on July 21, 2021, 09:38:06 AM
We would all be fatdamon in the lawl thread

lawl ya rite the lawl thread was one of the all-time worst takes in internet herstory

no even kelly in vegas gets all of her picks correct
Title: Re: Sky's the Limit
Post by: chum1 on July 21, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Does Kelly in Vegas make draft projections? Hopefully she could give some input here.