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Title: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 04, 2017, 08:15:26 AM
what do you guys think the score of the game will be?

i don't think we're a very good team and i don't think we're good enough to get past the talent gap this weekend in austin

longhornos 31
el gatos 20

that's probably more scoring possessions than there will be but whatevs
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 08:24:42 AM
Tejas 20
El vatos 31
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2017, 08:35:05 AM
UT and KSU have only played ugly games recently. 17-14 Cats. :emawkid:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: cfbandyman on October 04, 2017, 08:47:43 AM
Our WRs halve the amount of drops they've had and Texas still can't run and Cre Moore doesn't target anyone and we walk out with a 27-17 win.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: meow meow on October 04, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
have we ever lost to these losers?  honest question
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Post by: OK_Cat on October 04, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
Cows 24 Cats 14


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Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 04, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
hopefully practicing with wet balls all week the wide outs have gotten better at catching
cats 27
horns 21
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
I ditched K-State and picked Texas to be my team after the Vanderbilt game. I've only just now realized that I will be rooting for Texas to beat K-State this year. Kinda weird, but I'm sure that I can pull it off.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 04, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
i think the longhornos just started out slow but they're a pretty decent team and i hope that they don't san jose state us  :blindfold:


I ditched K-State and picked Texas to be my team after the Vanderbilt game. I've only just now realized that I will be rooting for Texas to beat K-State this year. Kinda weird, but I'm sure that I can pull it off.

longhorno what is the score predicto?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: chum1 on October 04, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
HORNS 41
mildcats 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on October 04, 2017, 09:37:02 AM
First to 20 wins, and I don't trust our offense enough to think it'll be us. 20-14 Texas. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Gooch on October 04, 2017, 10:26:32 AM
Cows 24 Cats 14


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This feels about right.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2017, 10:30:43 AM
Should do halftime score predictions because lol at anyone not being at pakout level past then.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: KanSt43 on October 04, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
I really don't think we're "Vandy" bad.

I think we win 24-13. I could also see us losing, but fugg it.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 04, 2017, 11:32:40 AM
Texas 34, K-State 13
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 04, 2017, 11:34:15 AM
Should do halftime score predictions because lol at anyone not being at pakout level past then.


Count me in as a likely "play Call of Duty instead of watch the second half" guy.

Halftime score:  Texas 21, K-State 6
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: BostonPancake on October 04, 2017, 12:17:19 PM
texas - 27
ksu - 13
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: scottwildcat on October 04, 2017, 12:18:34 PM
Texas 24
Kansas State 10
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 12:35:08 PM
Cats 20
Horns 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Yard Dog on October 04, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
You are all overlooking Shane Buechele's boogered up ankle.

Cats: 27
UT: 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
KSU- 24
Texas- 20
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 12:58:48 PM
Its going to be so fun to watch this football match with a bunch of gE friends at Auntie Mae's on Saturday...

Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: deputy dawg on October 04, 2017, 01:15:45 PM
Haven't we lost the last two in Austin?  Tejas 20, Katz 14
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 01:16:46 PM
Its going to be so fun to watch this football match with a bunch of gE friends at Auntie Mae's on Saturday...

Kind of dreading it, gE people are irrationally angry at anything but Alabama type perfection
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 04, 2017, 01:38:27 PM
Team whose kicker plays best wins.

UT's qb is banged up and ours kind of sucks.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Trim on October 04, 2017, 01:46:29 PM
Its going to be so fun to watch this football match with a bunch of gE friends at Auntie Mae's on Saturday...

Kind of dreading it, gE people are irrationally angry at anything but Alabama type perfection

FattyFests do not reflect current gE.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 04, 2017, 01:53:55 PM
Cats - 13
Longhorns - 11
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: star seed 7 on October 04, 2017, 01:54:10 PM
That's true, stud factor should be considerably high
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 04, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
Its going to be so fun to watch this football match with a bunch of gE friends at Auntie Mae's on Saturday...

Kind of dreading it, gE people are irrationally angry at anything but Alabama type perfection

Not me.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: I_have_purplewood on October 04, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed but I think Bill might retire after this year because of his HPV affliction.  That being said I think his playbook will be wide open and we'll see some razzle-dazzle!!   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)

Texas 14
KSU 7
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kslim on October 04, 2017, 02:09:32 PM
chance of rain, so we will throw it 40 ish + times. night game and we dont lose those too often, id say a close one with dimmel family fullback as the main key and 2 or 3 tds

28-24 q@tz
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 04, 2017, 02:42:16 PM
I'm not sure if this has been discussed but I think Bill might retire after this year because of his HPV affliction.  That being said I think his playbook will be wide open and we'll see some razzle-dazzle!!   :excited: (ftp://:excited:)

Texas 14
KSU 7

:lol:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: ksuchris2000 on October 04, 2017, 06:48:20 PM
defensive slugfest early with texas' superior athletes coming out on top in the end. The second half will blow open as a no contest. The tuck's own Ertz  is stuffed for <40 yards and is picked off 2 or more times. Cats 10 tx 27
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: wetwillie on October 04, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
17-14
good guys win
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2017, 07:34:38 PM
17-16 Cats
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 04, 2017, 07:53:04 PM
Didn't shitbird Maryland score a thousand against these dweebs?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: mocat on October 04, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
20-13 qh@tz
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 04, 2017, 08:22:05 PM
I'm a little shocked at how scared everyone is of Tejas.

Cats 23
Horns 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2017, 08:25:00 PM
34-17 Cats
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 08:26:32 PM
I'm a little shocked at how scared everyone is of Tejas.

Cats 23
Horns 17
A lot of bruised egos in here
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 04, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
I'm a little shocked at how scared everyone is of Tejas.

Cats 23
Horns 17
A lot of bruised egos in here

It is easy to hide behind the "superior athletes" and just pick the Horns. I've probably been that guy before, but this version of UT seems weak offensively.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 04, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
gE is stil salty after the last 2 games. I'll take ownership on this board by being a tuck and saying we'll still beat expectations
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kslim on October 04, 2017, 08:53:18 PM
thank god, nothing like a boost of confidence from fan man
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: The Big Train on October 04, 2017, 09:23:12 PM
Cats have the numbers to pull this thing off Jordy Nelson style
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 04, 2017, 09:25:27 PM
I'm a little shocked at how scared everyone is of Tejas.

Cats 23
Horns 17

less confident in us than scared of texas
we’ve looked like dung for the last two games
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: puniraptor on October 04, 2017, 09:55:54 PM
i think this is the game it all comes together for us

41-18

cats
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: catastrophe on October 04, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
Its going to be so fun to watch this football match with a bunch of gE friends at Auntie Mae's on Saturday...

Kind of dreading it, gE people are irrationally angry at anything but Alabama type perfection

Not me.

Sounds _fantastic.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 04, 2017, 11:26:13 PM
Team whose kicker plays best wins.

UT's qb is banged up and ours kind of sucks.

ours is also banged up

cows 20
cats 3
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: IPA4Me on October 05, 2017, 04:53:42 AM
We catch balls and open it up.

Cats win. 31-21.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: mocat on October 05, 2017, 05:55:00 AM
Predictos itt should be worked into FF somehow 
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 05, 2017, 06:40:42 AM
Yes, acknowledging the half ass disjointed efforts of the last two games is clearly a demand for "Alabama type perfection".

247 Fitz is a great place I hear.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 05, 2017, 09:17:11 AM
I don't think UT is anything special on either side of the ball. Our run D is really good, so they probably won't score much. If our offense can sustain drives (biggest issue the last 2 games, imo), and our ST are solid, we should win.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: star seed 7 on October 05, 2017, 09:38:11 AM
I'm sorry I hurt your feelings dax
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 05, 2017, 12:01:27 PM
I don't think UT is anything special on either side of the ball. Our run D is really good, so they probably won't score much. If our offense can sustain drives (biggest issue the last 2 games, imo), and our ST are solid, we should win.

Settling for FGs kills the perception of offensive success. K-State scored on 7 of 10 meaningful drives before running out the clock on the last one. One FG that we settled for Baylor actually stopped us and McCrane made a tough kick from 49 yards. 2 of the other 3 drives ended up in clear dropped passes, 1 would have kept the drive going and 1 was a TD. The other drive ended in being stopped on run plays inside of the 10 yard line and indications are Ertz missed a cut off of a block that would've allowed him to score on that one.

The offense wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be. I know you can't have those plays back, but the Cats could've easily scored 12 more points by getting those 3 TDs instead of FGs and everyone probably feels good about a 45-20 win. That's why the results of the Baylor game don't freak me out too much, not finishing those drives is a) uncharacteristic of Dimel's offense and b) very fixable with slightly better execution.

Now, that doesn't discount the train wreck of an offense game that we had at Vanderbilt against what is obviously an average SEC team.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Testy Westy on October 05, 2017, 12:38:36 PM
Birthday boy beats the gum chewing goatee 24-17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: cfbandyman on October 05, 2017, 12:40:05 PM
I don't think UT is anything special on either side of the ball. Our run D is really good, so they probably won't score much. If our offense can sustain drives (biggest issue the last 2 games, imo), and our ST are solid, we should win.

Settling for FGs kills the perception of offensive success. K-State scored on 7 of 10 meaningful drives before running out the clock on the last one. One FG that we settled for Baylor actually stopped us and McCrane made a tough kick from 49 yards. 2 of the other 3 drives ended up in clear dropped passes, 1 would have kept the drive going and 1 was a TD. The other drive ended in being stopped on run plays inside of the 10 yard line and indications are Ertz missed a cut off of a block that would've allowed him to score on that one.

The offense wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be. I know you can't have those plays back, but the Cats could've easily scored 12 more points by getting those 3 TDs instead of FGs and everyone probably feels good about a 45-20 win. That's why the results of the Baylor game don't freak me out too much, not finishing those drives is a) uncharacteristic of Dimel's offense and b) very fixable with slightly better execution.

Now, that doesn't discount the train wreck of an offense game that we had at Vanderbilt against what is obviously an average SEC team.

This is after thinking about it what makes me feel better about the last two games. We are a better team than what has shown, and we have done it to ourselves much more than the other team doing it to us. Those are correctable, I don't think our WRs suck, they sure as hell didn't suck the first 2 games (and I know that was bad competition) but we just weren't inexplicably dropping passes in those games, and now we are. I think the WRs as a group are overthinking things and are trying too hard, instead of acting and making plays.

I do think though that is where I get a little miffed about the coaching, we should be running more high success rate passing plays (ie the damn drop passed for the TD that Zuber should've had) early in the game to get the confidence up, and get everyone more comfortable. WR screens, easy out patterns and the like should be what we do early. We need to set the guys up for success, not trying to go vertical or down the field from the get go.

We look the last two games like a team that is trying too hard and forcing things instead of letting things come as you draw it up.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 05, 2017, 01:06:35 PM
We look the last two games like a team that is trying too hard and forcing things instead of letting things come as you draw it up.

I think this is a rare thing for K-State teams. Similar to the 2012 team, I think this team had a bunch of confidence all offseason, but with that comes pressure to live up to their own expectations. I think that caused us to tighten up when we went to Vandy and it carried over into Baylor after the disappointment of that loss. I'm anxious to see how they come out in Austin because I really believe if they get some momentum back and play like they did late in the season last year, they could have a similar result with a comfortable win. If they continue to press and not take what is given to them (especially on offense) it will be a dogfight. I don't see UT blowing us out unless for some reason this team is actually in the process of completely falling apart after the Vandy loss, but I don't see that. I really saw more good things than bad after the Baylor game even though most of our fans seemed to think we were continuing to fall apart.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pvegs on October 05, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
We look the last two games like a team that is trying too hard and forcing things instead of letting things come as you draw it up.

I think this is a rare thing for K-State teams. Similar to the 2012 team, I think this team had a bunch of confidence all offseason, but with that comes pressure to live up to their own expectations. I think that caused us to tighten up when we went to Vandy and it carried over into Baylor after the disappointment of that loss. I'm anxious to see how they come out in Austin because I really believe if they get some momentum back and play like they did late in the season last year, they could have a similar result with a comfortable win. If they continue to press and not take what is given to them (especially on offense) it will be a dogfight. I don't see UT blowing us out unless for some reason this team is actually in the process of completely falling apart after the Vandy loss, but I don't see that. I really saw more good things than bad after the Baylor game even though most of our fans seemed to think we were continuing to fall apart.

yeah, man. this. i thought we looked fine against baylor. but then i'm also too busy to care, deeply.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: MadCat on October 05, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
Cats 35
Horns 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
Why does anyone think our WR's will start catching better starting now?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2017, 03:02:39 PM
Did our coaches say "hey guys, after the first couple games when we got on you about the drops we didn't mean it, but now we do?"
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2017, 03:03:01 PM
Do we have new WR's?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Trim on October 05, 2017, 03:18:48 PM
Why does anyone think our WR's will start catching better starting now?

For Fatty.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 05, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
The group of returning receivers (Pringle, Heath, Harris, Zuber) showed that they were a better group catching the ball last year. Last year those 4 had a catch rate of 59.3% (catches/targets), this year they are at 50.8%. Statistically it is much more likely they have a really good group of games to help that catch rate recover toward the norm. And you would expect improvement because they should be better at routes, Ertz should be better at throws, etc. just based on the experience. Its possible that as a group they could regress, but I don't think its likely.

Catch rate comparison:
Player   2017   2016   DIF
Byron Pringle   37.5%   47.0%   -9.5%
Dominique Heath   33.3%   69.2%   -35.9%
Isaiah Harris   45.5%   100.0%   -54.5%
Isaiah Zuber   68.0%   58.5%   9.5%
Total   50.8%   59.3%   -8.5%
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: puniraptor on October 05, 2017, 03:29:35 PM
Is the catch rate stat receptions/targets or does it incorporate drops domehow
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 05, 2017, 03:31:16 PM
Is the catch rate stat receptions/targets or receptions/drops

Its receptions/targets. It doesn't completely factor in drops, but I think its a good measure to compare this year to last. The drops have had a big role in the regression IMO. I expect them to get better and move toward a norm of 60%. Again, I only compared the 4 main returners, but they have a significant number of our catches/targets for both seasons.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kstatefan11 on October 05, 2017, 04:13:37 PM
This is why the CTR is big-time. Most evidence, visual and otherwise, points to this being an average-ish LHCBS team thus far. But all the other data points from outside actual games suggest otherwise: Returning QB? Check. Lots of other returners? Check. Strong finish to previous year? Check. Minimal coaching turnover? Check. Scoring  50 in first 2 games? Check. Starting confy play 1-0? Check. Legit pre-season hype and top 3 conference ranking? Check and check. I can't think of a LHCBS team with those demographics that didn't eventually have an unequivocally successful season.

The one major outlier is Vandy. For 9+ win seasons, 93 and 2011 would be the notable exceptions with wins over P5 schools on the road (neutral site Ws in 2000 and 2003). A lot of those teams had plenty of early season stinkers against weak competition, mostly at home-- 97 Ohio, 95 @Cincy, 2011 Eastern Kentucky, 2012 North Texas, 94 Rice (my first time watching the Cats in person), but escaped with Ws.

So is Vandy an anomaly and this is a great Snyder team the schedulemakers did no favors for?
Or is this team an anomaly among Snyder teams? (Unless calling this a LHCBS team is an inaccurate descriptor of coaching duties, which seems unlikely).
We may have our answer Saturday. Texas often serves as a litmus test for Snyder seasons, wins in 98, 99, 11, 12, 14, 16 with 02, 03 and 2010 as exceptions both ways, but Jared Brite and Vince Young aren't walking through that door. I guess CK kinda is, but still.
For now, I'll go with the former, as the preponderance of 25 years of evidence suggests. 27-20, Purples.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 05, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
That is funny you mentioned Jared Brite.
That blocked kick in 2002 will always remain with me because I called the block before the kick was attempted.
Around that time UT was very good almost Frank Beamer Va Tech like at blocking kicks.
I remember because I was upset that I could not watch the rest of the game because I was the only one with a truck to help my sister move to Houston from Austin. I wanted to wait until Sunday morning but if I remember right a storm was going to hit that night . Right before we left I sitting in the cab of the truck listening to the game with my sister's BF and right before the kick was attempted I said UT would block the kick. I am trying to remember who blocked the kick.

Only time in my life I called a block kick. I have called missed FG's but never a blocked kick.
I had hope in my mind this season during the SC game on both FG attempts but truthfully did not think it would happen.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: catastrophe on October 05, 2017, 05:53:11 PM
I don't see UT blowing us out unless for some reason this team is actually in the process of completely falling apart after the Vandy loss, but I don't see that. I really saw more good things than bad after the Baylor game even though most of our fans seemed to think we were continuing to fall apart.

If UT blows us out, it will be because of defensive scores. They have looked pretty scary recently.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 05, 2017, 06:12:45 PM
I don't see UT blowing us out unless for some reason this team is actually in the process of completely falling apart after the Vandy loss, but I don't see that. I really saw more good things than bad after the Baylor game even though most of our fans seemed to think we were continuing to fall apart.

If UT blows us out, it will be because of defensive scores. They have looked pretty scary recently.

shutting down isu is no easy task amirite son?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 05, 2017, 06:43:17 PM
I don't see UT blowing us out unless for some reason this team is actually in the process of completely falling apart after the Vandy loss, but I don't see that. I really saw more good things than bad after the Baylor game even though most of our fans seemed to think we were continuing to fall apart.

If UT blows us out, it will be because of defensive scores. They have looked pretty scary recently.

shutting down isu is no easy task amirite son?

If you listen to ISU fans before Thursday their offense was at a 2008 OU level because they scored 40+ points on a team that contained Penn State
Now, ISU claims their QB sucks, their OC needs to be fired and that they should beat UT every year in Ames and if they cannot then they need a coach who can.

So was it UT's D or was it ISU's offense
The facts point to UT's D cause they did the same thing to SJSU and SC.
There is also the Maryland game though.

On the other hand K State was shut down by Vandy...
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 05, 2017, 07:21:59 PM
We are solidly meh.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Winters on October 05, 2017, 07:39:33 PM
We are solidly meh.
Kind of disappointing. I've got 19-16 horns Saturday  :frown:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: pissclams on October 06, 2017, 09:46:04 AM
We are solidly meh.
Kind of disappointing. I've got 19-16 horns Saturday  :frown:

hmm, i think the king knows something that i don't.  i am going to revise my Longhorno Predictos El Scoros to 27-23 KATS
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: ChiComCat on October 06, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
30-16 Wild Wildcats
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 06, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
I don't think UT is anything special on either side of the ball. Our run D is really good, so they probably won't score much. If our offense can sustain drives (biggest issue the last 2 games, imo), and our ST are solid, we should win.

Settling for FGs kills the perception of offensive success. K-State scored on 7 of 10 meaningful drives before running out the clock on the last one. One FG that we settled for Baylor actually stopped us and McCrane made a tough kick from 49 yards. 2 of the other 3 drives ended up in clear dropped passes, 1 would have kept the drive going and 1 was a TD. The other drive ended in being stopped on run plays inside of the 10 yard line and indications are Ertz missed a cut off of a block that would've allowed him to score on that one.

The offense wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be. I know you can't have those plays back, but the Cats could've easily scored 12 more points by getting those 3 TDs instead of FGs and everyone probably feels good about a 45-20 win. That's why the results of the Baylor game don't freak me out too much, not finishing those drives is a) uncharacteristic of Dimel's offense and b) very fixable with slightly better execution.

Now, that doesn't discount the train wreck of an offense game that we had at Vanderbilt against what is obviously an average SEC team.

This is after thinking about it what makes me feel better about the last two games. We are a better team than what has shown, and we have done it to ourselves much more than the other team doing it to us. Those are correctable, I don't think our WRs suck, they sure as hell didn't suck the first 2 games (and I know that was bad competition) but we just weren't inexplicably dropping passes in those games, and now we are. I think the WRs as a group are overthinking things and are trying too hard, instead of acting and making plays.

I do think though that is where I get a little miffed about the coaching, we should be running more high success rate passing plays (ie the damn drop passed for the TD that Zuber should've had) early in the game to get the confidence up, and get everyone more comfortable. WR screens, easy out patterns and the like should be what we do early. We need to set the guys up for success, not trying to go vertical or down the field from the get go.

We look the last two games like a team that is trying too hard and forcing things instead of letting things come as you draw it up.

I think we'll look back on Vandy as an outlier, a very disappointing one, as they do seem pretty average now that we're a month into the season.

As for the receivers -- get them touches early and on easy routes. They're a talented bunch. You gotta think we could run 10% less Ertz battering ram runs, instead calling quick outs or slants, etc. Pringle, especially, can take it the distance on short passes, plus we keep Glass Joe healthy at QB. Not many teams will score a bunch on our defense, we don't need supreme performance from the offense, just ball control.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 06, 2017, 11:38:04 AM
I agree with that, but those drops/mistakes by receivers bring doubt which in turn effects the play caller. I'm hopeful we'll see that change soon; I absolutely agree more passing game, even short, would be a good move to save hits on Ertz.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: kso_FAN on October 06, 2017, 12:26:12 PM
The group of returning receivers (Pringle, Heath, Harris, Zuber) showed that they were a better group catching the ball last year. Last year those 4 had a catch rate of 59.3% (catches/targets), this year they are at 50.8%. Statistically it is much more likely they have a really good group of games to help that catch rate recover toward the norm. And you would expect improvement because they should be better at routes, Ertz should be better at throws, etc. just based on the experience. Its possible that as a group they could regress, but I don't think its likely.

Catch rate comparison:
Player   2017   2016   DIF
Byron Pringle   37.5%   47.0%   -9.5%
Dominique Heath   33.3%   69.2%   -35.9%
Isaiah Harris   45.5%   100.0%   -54.5%
Isaiah Zuber   68.0%   58.5%   9.5%
Total   50.8%   59.3%   -8.5%


Here is the full chart for receiving stats, focusing on our four key returners from last year at the WR spot.

I know it doesn't make up for this year's disappointing loss to Vandy, but it is crazy that the only senior with stats at a skill position is Ertz. If Thompson/Delton are any good taking over, next year's offense could be really good. And I'm counting on this year's getting things figured out and being a top 30 offense at least.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLdiZjQUMAAa0yg.png:large)
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 06, 2017, 12:30:31 PM
I have never been the one to compare one game to another but I think a different perspective is needed here.
Vandy was ran over by Florida an average offense at best. Florida put over 30 points against Vandy and very much like UT Florida's struggles on offense have almost became a yearly epidemic.
Vandy plays UGA tomorrow morning and throughout the years they have always challenged the Dawgs so I think that game will gives us a better understanding of Vandy.

Problem with a short passing game against UT is the 3-4 they play. So unless K State can begin to get the safties to stay back in fear of long passes then anything in the flat and in the space between the LBs and Safties' is not happening. Problem is that Ertz may not have the arm strength and the UT's pass rush is too strong.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 06, 2017, 12:42:04 PM
The problem with UT is if K State ran move the ball on the ground and if Ertz can gain yards with his feet.
Then the old issue might reemerge for UT and that is blown coverage.
Maryland was able to take advantage of this but both the QB's they had at that time had good arms.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on October 06, 2017, 01:11:54 PM
I have never been the one to compare one game to another but I think a different perspective is needed here.
Vandy was ran over by Florida an average offense at best. Florida put over 30 points against Vandy and very much like UT Florida's struggles on offense have almost became a yearly epidemic.
Vandy plays UGA tomorrow morning and throughout the years they have always challenged the Dawgs so I think that game will gives us a better understanding of Vandy.

Problem with a short passing game against UT is the 3-4 they play. So unless K State can begin to get the safties to stay back in fear of long passes then anything in the flat and in the space between the LBs and Safties' is not happening. Problem is that Ertz may not have the arm strength and the UT's pass rush is too strong.

So...losing by 28 to UGA is going to tell us what we already know, that Vandy is average?

As for the game in Austin. I think your point on the 3-4 is well said. Although I would like to see things like this happen -- the shorter passes -- I don't expect to see it going that way, not necessarily because of the 3-4 from UT though. After last week's game, which I know people are down about, was a game where we really did move the ball using the slothfense , as _fan noted earlier. I don't think the offensive coaching staff sees a reason to change at the moment. It'll be the same recipe.

I think Ertz has the arm strength, however I'm concerned about his confidence throwing the ball right now.

It's going to be a low scoring, close game. Both defenses are quality. Field position, turnover margin, etc.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 06, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
Have you ever played any type of athletics when you didn't really trust what the coach was trying to tell you. Usually it happens a lot more in basketball than other spots but it happens in all sports I have been involved in.
That was the issue with the previous staff especially on Defense with UT. Kansas St because they have had a system in place for such a long time never has had this issue.
Players like Malik Jefferson have seen the reward in playing in Todd Orlando' system. He is slotted to be a first round pick now because of Todd Orlando. UT players buy into the system because they see the rewards of more money in the NFL. Elliot is another one.
This trust factor in coaching is what changed UT's defense. Maybe K State will reinforce the old ideas into UT or maybe K State will reinforce additional trust in Todd Orlando.
Whatever happens I expect a great game
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: meow meow on October 06, 2017, 01:47:09 PM
srry bruh, da Catz r comin 4 dat azzz
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: PIPE on October 06, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Texas changing QB's......anyone want to change their predicto's?

UT 26
Cats 13

Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: scottwildcat on October 06, 2017, 02:09:59 PM
Texas changing QB's......anyone want to change their predicto's?

UT 26
Cats 13



texas by more than what i predicted when i thought a banged up SB was going to play.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: schreds21 on October 06, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Birthday boy beats the gum chewing goatee 24-17
:Woohoo:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Trim on October 06, 2017, 02:19:19 PM
Trim's vodka & 7's: 20
Horns: 23

:frown:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: XocolateThundarr on October 06, 2017, 02:51:04 PM
42-10

Cats win big.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtGxusvUT3k
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on October 06, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
We keep it within reach till we take some risks late in the 4th that don't pay off and they get a dagger pick 6 to win by 2 possesh.

Tacos: 28
Gatos: 17
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: porky morgan on October 06, 2017, 10:08:47 PM
Bevo 9. K-stateo 24

Return game gifts us 10 points.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CyberToothCat on October 06, 2017, 11:14:19 PM
With Ertz playing limited snaps, our offense is a complete disaster. The defense starts strong but is constantly put on the field in bad situations, and starts to wear down in the second half.

Horns 31
Cats 3
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: That_Guy on October 06, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
‘Cats - 24
‘Horns - 23


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Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on October 06, 2017, 11:51:21 PM
31-13 

Cats!!!!!!!

It is very weird for us to expect a 3rd bad game in a row from the offense.

Iowa State and Texas both looked pretty crappy in their game.

It is time to get back on track.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: ELL3 on October 06, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Texas 34 K-State 13
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: The Big Train on October 07, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
Cats breeze to a W and tame the horns
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2017, 09:13:00 AM
The line dropped to +3.5 earlier this week and moved back to +6 after UT announced the true freshman would start.

That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), imho
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2017, 09:13:34 AM
Put another way, CONFIDENCE RISING
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2017, 09:39:12 AM
Surprise surprise, the whole Gameday crew picked Texas. David Pollack specifically called out the dropped balls and disappointing offense. I have consistently found him to be BITB for doing his homework and telling it like it is among the ESPN crew.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CyberToothCat on October 07, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
The line dropped to +3.5 earlier this week and moved back to +6 after UT announced the true freshman would start.

That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), imho

Or... the line moved back as word started to leak that Ertz would be limited.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
The line dropped to +3.5 earlier this week and moved back to +6 after UT announced the true freshman would start.

That's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), imho

Or... the line moved back as word started to leak that Ertz would be limited.

When was that announced?
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2017, 11:48:37 AM
Hasn't practiced all week FSD
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2017, 11:55:59 AM
Hasn't practiced all week FSD

If that's true, failing to see the correlation to the betting line
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 07, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Also, it's Ertz. BFD
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2017, 12:08:53 PM
Hasn't practiced all week FSD

If that's true, failing to see the correlation to the betting line
Haha ok. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: HerrSonntag on October 07, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
Texas 34 K-State 13
Flipped and you're golden
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: Pete on October 07, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
This news of the Longhorn freshman QB changes things a bit.  But, if no Ertz then not sure if it matters on the outcome.  I will say UT 19, KSU 13...I think Winters is right.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: delerioustyme on October 07, 2017, 04:25:27 PM
Ertz will start but is dinged up.  Will split snaps with Delton.


He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 07, 2017, 05:34:46 PM
After the Jacob Park situation, Darnold losing his Heisman and Maryland having their number 1 QB knocked out I do not blame Ertz for not wanting to play

Afterall K State has remaining games on the schedule. Cannot put all your eggs in one basket
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2017, 05:39:47 PM
I'm excited to see Delton play. It's time to focus on next year anyway with everyone back on offense.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: catastrophe on October 07, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
If we were completely focused on next year, Sky would be starting.
Title: Re: Longhorno Predictos El Scoros
Post by: SdK on October 07, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
Defense looks muy goodo. Offense is about as mal as darth.