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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: CaliforniaLonghorn on October 01, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
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I want to take this time out of my day to honor Coach Synder and the Kansas State football program. There a few coaches who have a winning record against UT in five games and even less with 10 career games against UT. Luckily for Kansas St Bill Synder is one. Saturday may be the last chance to see a Kansas St team led by Coach Synder in Austin. There has been no indication that he will step down but you never know in two years.
With this being said Saturday will be fun because Kansas St wants to play like how UT does. So I am expecting a lot of QB design runs, a lot of battle of wills in the interior and more importantly a lot of 3rd and 6's or longer.
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you guys are going to roll us up like a fat blunt and smoke the crap out of us
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this game is going to be pretty much exactly like 2013 and 2015. crap offenses but UT's athlete advantage gets them the W.
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I wouldn't count out Ertz coming up Big in important situations. I watched some of the BU game and the way he can confuse the defense by hiding the ball on the zone reads could create problems.
Not to mention your defense's ability to take advantage of miscues.
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If we score 20 we win.
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If we score 20 we win.
I am thinking 20-17 or 17-13 as well with either team's offense has a chance to win the game.
Whoever executes better at the end of the game will win on either offense or defense.
I was surprised about the results of the Vandy game so I am thinking that game is an outlier much like UT's game against Maryland.
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No, our offense is only running on a few cylinders. If it's not fixed we could easily lose.
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I miss Mack Brown
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If our receivers can start holding onto passes that hit both of their hands, we win comfortably. Otherwise, we lose a close game.
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lol we open at +7
its farming time :Carl: :Carl: :Carl: :Carl: :Carl: 5 units
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Bill did not look well. That thing on his forehead looked bad.
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I miss Mack Brown
Mack Brown and Greg Davis ineptitude in understanding the problems with the spread offense caused UT to lose to a less talented Bama team and is the main reason why Bama's program is where it is.
They failed to run the ball throughout 2009 and then allowed McCoy's draft position to be more important than the football program. These reasons caused UT to lose a national championship.
If you watched the Ohio St/Oregon Rose Bowl that year you saw the precursor of the National Championship especially after McCoy was injured.
Let's just say that VY is missed
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I miss Mack Brown
Mack Brown and Greg Davis ineptitude in understanding the problems with the spread offense caused UT to lose to a less talented Bama team and is the main reason why Bama's program is where it is.
They failed to run the ball throughout 2009 and then allowed McCoy's draft position to be more important than the football program. These reasons caused UT to lose a national championship.
If you watched the Ohio St/Oregon Rose Bowl that year you saw the precursor of the National Championship especially after McCoy was injured.
Let's just say that VY is missed
Loved watching VY highlights in "Trojan War" the other night.
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a lot of battle of wills in the interior
we should win the will battle (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcjonline.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fslideshow__640x360%2Fpublic%2F15566222.jpg%3Fitok%3DZ-iXi1CO&hash=c95acbfacdba8d58c875fd4f4fdcef5a22f50ce7)
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you guys are going to roll us up like a fat blunt and smoke the crap out of us
Yes, horns by at least 14. They are going to put the boots to us like an ANTIFA protestor to a Starbucks display case
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our offense is running on one badly cracked cylinder.
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I have never thought we would take such a serious ass kicking in the CTR more than this one
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I have to admit I'm much less optimistic about the CTR than I was to start the season BUT Snyder staring down the barrel of an all time losing record against Herman might be enough to light a fire under his ass and pull off some magic.
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
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It makes me sad that I can't feel cocky about beating the horns because we're us and they are them. It's gotten so bad that I pretty much don't expect to win.
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
Yes, without the patented McCrane Kick, we are awful on special teams
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
Yes, without the patented McCrane Kick, we are awful on special teams
Ummm, we're actually pretty good
Average kickoff returns- 19th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Average punt returns 13th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Kickoff touchback percentage- 35th in the country, 24th in the power 5, 3rd in the conference
Opponent kick return yardage- 18th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Opponent punt return yardage- 11th in the country, 5th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
Yes, without the patented McCrane Kick, we are awful on special teams
Ummm, we're actually pretty good
Average kickoff returns- 19th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Average punt returns 13th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Kickoff touchback percentage- 35th in the country, 24th in the power 5, 3rd in the conference
Opponent kick return yardage- 18th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Opponent punt return yardage- 11th in the country, 5th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
def pretty good. :love:
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
Yes, without the patented McCrane Kick, we are awful on special teams
Ummm, we're actually pretty good
Average kickoff returns- 19th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Average punt returns 13th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Kickoff touchback percentage- 35th in the country, 24th in the power 5, 3rd in the conference
Opponent kick return yardage- 18th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Opponent punt return yardage- 11th in the country, 5th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Yep.
Coordinator grades:
Sean - A
Tom - A-
Dana - C
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Are those from conference games or when we were pounding loser schools?
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Sean's audition isn't going well.
Yes, without the patented McCrane Kick, we are awful on special teams
Ummm, we're actually pretty good
Average kickoff returns- 19th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Average punt returns 13th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Kickoff touchback percentage- 35th in the country, 24th in the power 5, 3rd in the conference
Opponent kick return yardage- 18th in the country, 11th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Opponent punt return yardage- 11th in the country, 5th in the power 5, 2nd in the conference
Yep.
Coordinator grades:
Sean - A
Tom - A-
Dana - C
Position coach grades:
Coleman - ?
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Are those from conference games or when we were pounding loser schools?
It's from all games, just like it is for all the other schools.
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I'm confused. Isn't Sean's grade really about how the entire team is doing? I mean, we know Bill is going to say he didn't do jack crap and left it all up to wonderful Sean.
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That's how the script was supposed to go, right? A bang up year and then Bill says "guess what, it was all really Sean so hire him!!!"
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That's how the script was supposed to go, right? A bang up year and then Bill says "guess what, it was all really Sean so hire him!!!"
Yeah. Bill still is in good enough position to win more games and hand the keys to Sean, though. The loss to Vanderbilt hurt a lot less than a Big 12 loss.
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That's how the script was supposed to go, right? A bang up year and then Bill says "guess what, it was all really Sean so hire him!!!"
Yeah. Bill still is in good enough position to win more games and hand the keys to Sean, though. The loss to Vanderbilt hurt a lot less than a Big 12 loss.
If you wouldn't mind would you be able to let me know your perspective on what went wrong in that game. I may watch some of that game this week to get a better understanding of K State. What I did see in the BU game is that if UT can shut down K state's run game and keep Ertz from gaining a lot of yards running the ball UT should win easily cause Ertz cannot hit any receivers downfield.
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That's how the script was supposed to go, right? A bang up year and then Bill says "guess what, it was all really Sean so hire him!!!"
Yeah. Bill still is in good enough position to win more games and hand the keys to Sean, though. The loss to Vanderbilt hurt a lot less than a Big 12 loss.
If you wouldn't mind would you be able to let me know your perspective on what went wrong in that game. I may watch some of that game this week to get a better understanding of K State. What I did see in the BU game is that if UT can shut down K state's run game and keep Ertz from gaining a lot of yards running the ball UT should win easily cause Ertz cannot hit any receivers downfield.
K-State receivers have approximately 37 dropped passes in the last two games.
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I'm confused. Isn't Sean's grade really about how the entire team is doing? I mean, we know Bill is going to say he didn't do jack crap and left it all up to wonderful Sean.
That's how the script was supposed to go, right? A bang up year and then Bill says "guess what, it was all really Sean so hire him!!!"
I don't think the coaching staff spends much time attempting to fulfill fan's narratives
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I bet there are two members of the coaching staff that care a great deal about the narrative
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3 - I am pretty sure this is the only $500,000+ job where you get to call plays for your kid
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I bet there are two members of the coaching staff that care a great deal about the narrative
I guess I missed when any coach stated that Sean is in charge of this team. I don't see Sean giving instruction to the offense, defense, and special teams on the sideline like Bill does.
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Bill doesn't even wear a headset anymore, so I guess you did miss it.
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Miracle ear headset.
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I guess time will simply tell if Bill makes the claim that Sean was doing a lot of the coaching. MIR says it won't happen, pete says it will and actually has.
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Sean maybe (probably?) has a bigger role in day to day management operations of the program, but his input on offense/defense is still likely non existent. Dimel and Hayes probably have more control than they've ever had and they've had plenty of control the entire time they've been here. Perhaps Snyder will use this to show that Sean can indeed run the program in the future and will push for it as soon as this season is over, but honestly its not a big deal for me.
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I've embraced Sean as the next HC, I suggest everyone else prepare to do the same.
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I guess time will simply tell if Bill makes the claim that Sean was doing a lot of the coaching. MIR says it won't happen, pete says it will and actually has.
No, I said they haven't said that. I sit behind the bench, Sean isn't involved with the entirety of the team like Bill is. Like _FAN said, Sean's increased role, if he has one, is Monday-Friday. I don't care what Pete sees on TV, I'm telling you what's actually happening on the sidelines.
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Been pondering this lately: If Sean becomes HC, who will succeed him when it's time for him to go?
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Been pondering this lately: If Sean becomes HC, who will succeed him when it's time for him to go?
TATE! :billdance:
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
This is ridiculous because you know full well that at Kansas State, under LHC Bill Snyder, the special teams coordinator is just as important as the offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm out of the business of convincing people that Sean should be the guy, but the contrived reasons people don't want him are hilarious. Dabo Swinney was good enough for Clemson, Lincoln Riley was good enough for OU, NFL teams are hiring coaches that were in elementary school when Sean was a college assistant, but we can't take a chance on a guy who was closest to what was built here? That logic doesn't make sense at all.
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Speaking of complicated succession planning, did anyone else watch the FRONTLINE program about North Korea last night? Fascinating.
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
This is ridiculous because you know full well that at Kansas State, under LHC Bill Snyder, the special teams coordinator is just as important as the offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm out of the business of convincing people that Sean should be the guy, but the contrived reasons people don't want him are hilarious. Dabo Swinney was good enough for Clemson, Lincoln Riley was good enough for OU, NFL teams are hiring coaches that were in elementary school when Sean was a college assistant, but we can't take a chance on a guy who was closest to what was built here? That logic doesn't make sense at all.
I agree. My biggest concern with Sean has never been his ability to manage and run the program, but his ability to attract and keep quality coordinators and assistants. I think initially he might be fine because of his current connections with guys he's worked with through Bill's program, but over time can he maintain it. At the end of the day this was what caused Prince's downfall (very quickly), he simply couldn't mesh with his initial group of quality assistants and after they left there was no positive direction in the program. I've become less concerned by that over the last few years though.
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
This is ridiculous because you know full well that at Kansas State, under LHC Bill Snyder, the special teams coordinator is just as important as the offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm out of the business of convincing people that Sean should be the guy, but the contrived reasons people don't want him are hilarious. Dabo Swinney was good enough for Clemson, Lincoln Riley was good enough for OU, NFL teams are hiring coaches that were in elementary school when Sean was a college assistant, but we can't take a chance on a guy who was closest to what was built here? That logic doesn't make sense at all.
I agree. My biggest concern with Sean has never been his ability to manage and run the program, but his ability to attract and keep quality coordinators and assistants. I think initially he might be fine because of his current connections with guys he's worked with through Bill's program, but over time can he maintain it. At the end of the day this was what caused Prince's downfall (very quickly), he simply couldn't mesh with his initial group of quality assistants and after they left there was no positive direction in the program. I've become less concerned by that over the last few years though.
That's also my biggest concern. If he gets the job his initial staff should be fine, the only person who may leave due to butthurt would be Dana. However, I'm guessing even Dana would be fine, he's still here even knowing Bill's wishes, and he's known Sean for nearly 30 years. I'm also guessing we'll continue to pay our assistants well. As long as Sean wins, he'll have no problem getting good assistants. Ron's first staff was great, he had trouble because no one wanted to be around him, Sean doesn't have that issue.
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That's also my biggest concern. If he gets the job his initial staff should be fine, the only person who may leave due to butthurt would be Dana. However, I'm guessing even Dana would be fine, he's still here even knowing Bill's wishes, and he's known Sean for nearly 30 years. I'm also guessing we'll continue to pay our assistants well. As long as Sean wins, he'll have no problem getting good assistants. Ron's first staff was great, he had trouble because no one wanted to be around him, Sean doesn't have that issue.
Yeah, the transition will be interesting if Sean takes over.
My initial thought is that defense would have huge changes; Hayes, Mo, and Fabris would all likely retire. Seiler would likely be back, but I'm not sure he's coordinator ready right now.
I'd actually feel pretty good about keeping Dana and the offensive entire staff together. Dimel is reaching the point where he probably won't have the option of being a FBS head coach, so he can stay here and work with a familiar staff or go out on his own. I think if we continue to pay him well, he'll stay and the offense would continue (which I have no problem with).
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
This is ridiculous because you know full well that at Kansas State, under LHC Bill Snyder, the special teams coordinator is just as important as the offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm out of the business of convincing people that Sean should be the guy, but the contrived reasons people don't want him are hilarious. Dabo Swinney was good enough for Clemson, Lincoln Riley was good enough for OU, NFL teams are hiring coaches that were in elementary school when Sean was a college assistant, but we can't take a chance on a guy who was closest to what was built here? That logic doesn't make sense at all.
My reason was for not wanting him was that I umpired about 4 or 5 baseball games where he was coaching and his team was not that good and disorganized. Also he had little man syndrome and felt the need for a big showy argument about once a week. One of the most insecure people I've ever been around. Maybe that's unfair, maybe I'm mistaken, but that's how I saw him act.
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Many (all?) head coaches are paranoid, insecure people. Even really good ones.
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I've changed my mind. I'm liking Leavitt more and more each day.
I have not changed my mind that Sean Snyder has no business succeeding his father as HC of KSU. He's done nothing to add to his resume that would qualify him for a HC position. If he (and his Dad) wanted it that bad, he/they should have sent him somewhere to get that requisite experience. Not being named OC or DC at KSU at some point, to me, speaks volumes about Sean's HC potential and it ain't good.
This is ridiculous because you know full well that at Kansas State, under LHC Bill Snyder, the special teams coordinator is just as important as the offensive and defensive coordinators.
I'm out of the business of convincing people that Sean should be the guy, but the contrived reasons people don't want him are hilarious. Dabo Swinney was good enough for Clemson, Lincoln Riley was good enough for OU, NFL teams are hiring coaches that were in elementary school when Sean was a college assistant, but we can't take a chance on a guy who was closest to what was built here? That logic doesn't make sense at all.
mir is right, not only that but sean has had the assistant head coach title since 2011
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without a LHC Bill Snyder to fall back on this time, it makes rolling the dice a lot risker. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being risk averse in our situation.
nothing is a sure thing but i'd be less concerned if we had more of a known commodity taking over and with our program and facilities we should expect to attract one.
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If Sean is hired, which is worse:
1. He does "ok" (5-6ish wins each year, no real good years) and stays too long before eventually let go.
2. Faceplants and gets fired quickly (after 3 years)
In the first scenario, wins are better than losses, you had a buffer between legendary coach and hopefully a good on after. But average to below average years leads to apathetic fanbases. Memories of KSU being a consistent winner is more forgotten with recruits, etc.
Scenario 2 lets you rip the bandaid off and move on. Memories of winning are more fresh. Get the next "hopefully good" coach sooner.
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
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Guys, this is a thread to be depressed about the game this weekend, not to be depressed about our future coach.
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
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If Sean is hired, which is worse:
1. He does "ok" (5-6ish wins each year, no real good years) and stays too long before eventually let go.
2. Faceplants and gets fired quickly (after 3 years)
In the first scenario, wins are better than losses, you had a buffer between legendary coach and hopefully a good on after. But average to below average years leads to apathetic fanbases. Memories of KSU being a consistent winner is more forgotten with recruits, etc.
Scenario 2 lets you rip the bandaid off and move on. Memories of winning are more fresh. Get the next "hopefully good" coach sooner.
I think the program is healthy enough to be able to withstand either of these. I don't think he would be able to withstand too many consecutive 5 to 7 win seasons though. I don't think his leash would be that much longer than RP's was. Him getting the job wouldn't be universally accepted therefore there would always be a vocal block of people who wouldn't think he's good enough, that would build.
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you know we've fallen far when fans from UT can come here and check us
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
Was it nepotism when Bob Stoops did the same thing with Lincoln Riley?
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Research how many Special Team Coaches became head coaches.
You will not find many people who went straight from coaching Special teams to head coach.
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Research how many Special Team Coaches became head coaches.
You will not find many people who went straight from coaching Special teams to head coach.
I think most K-State fans understand the uniqueness of the situation. Its an odd mix; the most logical person on staff to replace Snyder would be Dimel, current OC with head coaching experience at Wyoming and Houston.
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Guys, this is a thread to be depressed about the game this weekend, not to be depressed about our future coach.
I'm not depressed about either. I fully expect that Cats to win and win decisively this weekend but will be supremely pissed if I witness another player and coaching performance like I've seen over the last two games.
If that happens, I'll be once again calling for this to be HCBS Snyder's last season and that his son doesn't need to come anywhere near the next team.
When we win, I'll be very happy but I still think a 77-year old man needs to retire, particularly one with health concerns like his. His wife has put up with enough from him (that is not a criticism of him or his work ethic. Just saying) over the years, stood by him throughout and I think he should step back and in some respects, think of her and his family as opposed to KSU and football. We can live without him. His family probably doesn't want to think about that same prospect.
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Guys, this is a thread to be depressed about the game this weekend, not to be depressed about our future coach.
Bingo
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Research how many Special Team Coaches became head coaches.
You will not find many people who went straight from coaching Special teams to head coach.
I think most K-State fans understand the uniqueness of the situation. Its an odd mix; the most logical person on staff to replace Snyder would be Dimel, current OC with head coaching experience at Wyoming and Houston.
For the future of the Big XII I think K State should take a serious look at Major Applewhite or if you think I am being biased then SMU's coach Chad Morris.
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Guys, this is a thread to be depressed about the game this weekend, not to be depressed about our future coach.
I'm not depressed about either. I fully expect that Cats to win and win decisively this weekend but will be supremely pissed if I witness another player and coaching performance like I've seen over the last two games.
If that happens, I'll be once again calling for this to be HCBS Snyder's last season and that his son doesn't need to come anywhere near the next team.
When we win, I'll be very happy but I still think a 77-year old man needs to retire, particularly one with health concerns like his. His wife has put up with enough from him (that is not a criticism of him or his work ethic. Just saying) over the years, stood by him throughout and I think he should step back and in some respects, think of her and his family as opposed to KSU and football. We can live without him. His family probably doesn't want to think about that same prospect.
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all you pi'ers are assholes. let people do what they want.
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all you pi'ers are assholes. let people do what they want.
what if people want to pi?
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
Was it nepotism when Bob Stoops did the same thing with Lincoln Riley?
The story out of Norman is that Bob Stoops retired because of health and family issues.
The story out of Knoxville is that Stoops was pushed out and will be coaching the Vols next year.
The narrative that Stoops groomed Riley to be the next coach may not be true.
I have a feeling because of the timing of the incident that Stoops was forced out.
If Stoops was going to retire on his own it would have been between signing day and spring practice not when OU was gearing up for this season.
According to Sooner fans their narrative is correct so you never know
From what I heard the NCAA started becoming interested in OU
Stoops and OU have had issues with the NCAA during his tenure and not to create a Barry Switzer like situation OU parted ways with Stoops. OU learned their lesson in the 80's about messing with the NCAA.
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If Sean is hired, which is worse:
1. He does "ok" (5-6ish wins each year, no real good years) and stays too long before eventually let go.
2. Faceplants and gets fired quickly (after 3 years)
In the first scenario, wins are better than losses, you had a buffer between legendary coach and hopefully a good on after. But average to below average years leads to apathetic fanbases. Memories of KSU being a consistent winner is more forgotten with recruits, etc.
Scenario 2 lets you rip the bandaid off and move on. Memories of winning are more fresh. Get the next "hopefully good" coach sooner.
I think the program is healthy enough to be able to withstand either of these. I don't think he would be able to withstand too many consecutive 5 to 7 win seasons though. I don't think his leash would be that much longer than RP's was. Him getting the job wouldn't be universally accepted therefore there would always be a vocal block of people who wouldn't think he's good enough, that would build.
You're probably right. Almost as much as anything, I want the next guy to be good so that the stigma of "only Snyder has won there" can be shook.
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They advertise low price tickets to get you to go to their website. Once you are on their website you buy the 35 dollar ticket they marked up.
Funny thing is most games on ESPN have tickets with higher prices than what the website is offering.
Sales 101.
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sounds like Stoops will be available to come home to MHK next year then! :excited:
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
I'm not defensive, your defensive.
You just took this talking point from rumor mills like goEMAW.com, which is a known troll board. Frankly your kind disgusts me and I am sick of you subtly insulting our program with insinuations that we are not going to destroy Texas on the football field this Saturday. Good day and go Cats!
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
I'm not defensive, your defensive.
You just took this talking point from rumor mills like goEMAW.com, which is a known troll board. Frankly your kind disgusts me and I am sick of you subtly insulting our program with insinuations that we are not going to destroy Texas on the football field this Saturday. Good day and go Cats!
Seemed like a legit question to me, particularly given the (apparently) general dislike of the idea of SS taking over - and sure some people are ok with it but they are clearly in the minority here, on BotC, and pretty much in any water cooler chat I've heard or engaged in.
Unusually acidic reaction to someone that, as you say, is speaking to a talking point from this board. Most would simply call that a curious observer engaging and expressing some interest in our situation.
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really showing their support for coach
1,887 tickets available from $3
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They advertise low price tickets to get you to go to their website. Once you are on their website you buy the 35 dollar ticket they marked up.
Funny thing is most games on ESPN have tickets with higher prices than what the website is offering.
Sales 101.
what you took as a jab i was actually saying 1887 left on stub hub (and the other sites look similar) is flattering, should be a good crowd for 100k stadium
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Do you remember in the late 90's when Jim Harrick left Rhode Island to coach basketball at UGA. Anyway at URI his son was an assistant coach but was not allowed to hire him at UGA because of nepotism Laws in their state.
My question is does Kansas have anykind of nepotism laws on the books. From the sound of everything I am hearing what is going on at K State is blatant nepotism.
LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder hired a special teams coordinator who now leads one of the consistently best special teams units in the country. Explain why that was blatant nepotism.
Someone is defensive.
From the sound of everything Sean Synder is the head coach in waiting. Playing devil's advocate this is clearly nepotism because first of all the job is not open nor has KState interviewed anyone else for the position.
I am not a fan of the term head coach in waiting. I know UT made Will Muschamp this 8 years ago and the only reason he did not become head coach was because Meyer left Florida.
I'm not defensive, your defensive.
You just took this talking point from rumor mills like goEMAW.com, which is a known troll board. Frankly your kind disgusts me and I am sick of you subtly insulting our program with insinuations that we are not going to destroy Texas on the football field this Saturday. Good day and go Cats!
There are more important issues at play here in the BIG XII.
The long term stability of this conference is in jeopardy as we all know and because of the lack of results out of Ames and Lawrence the BIG XII cannot afford K State to begin to deteriorate after Coach Synder.
I do not know the direction of K State after Synder or if Synder even plans on leaving in the future.
From what I hear not just on here but elsewhere Bill Synder is attempting to have his son follow him.
UT, if the Big XII falls apart, can go elsewhere but can K State.
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Is this Longhorn dude a sock??
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does this guy actually think the big conferences would take Texas before K-State? we're getting trolled aren't we :frown:
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I don't know, I like his fresh take