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Good recruiter...shitty coach?
I have not seen anything that says differently.
Discuss.
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I didn't see poor routes.
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He's a bad coach because these dudes dropped balls, but not a bad recruiter for getting guys who drop balls? That makes absolutely zero sense.
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These guys are on the same non-development, bad hands track that Burton took under Andre.
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Why the eff did we throw almost 30 times? Holy rough ridin' crap that was beyond stupid
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These guys are on the same non-development, bad hands track that Burton took under Andre.
All but one of the WRs have a maximum of 1 year and 3 games of experience in the program. Sorry but this reeks of a knee jerk reaction. When was the last time the WRs were bad? West Virginia? OU? Either way we're talking about nearly a full seasons worth of games. They had a bad game, it's total bullshit to throw Coleman under the bus and to completely disregard everything else because the dudes had one bad game in nearly a full calendar year.
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Dimel's play calling was much better when we had TT or Sexton on the slot. Those guys would catch passes around the hashes, keep their feet on the ground, turn & go. Heath showed flashes as a freshman, but I don't know what the hell's happened since. Now every route that's not a go is a quick slant or curl where they're focused on the ball so much they go to the ground or jump & try to catch in their stomachs. I know people are saying Andre can't catch it for them, but they all have the same traits like they're being coach to do it.
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Coach Snyder can't run the ball or throw the ball for them, but he takes the blame. Why the hell can't Coleman be held responsible for the performance of the few players he coaches, MIR? Did you not see how our best receivers played piss poor, not just one of them? Coaches are paid a crap load to have our players prepared. Ours weren't.
Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
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Players are coached to let the ball come into their body if they are expecting contract from behind
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These guys are on the same non-development, bad hands track that Burton took under Andre.
All but one of the WRs have a maximum of 1 year and 3 games of experience in the program. Sorry but this reeks of a knee jerk reaction. When was the last time the WRs were bad? West Virginia? OU? Either way we're talking about nearly a full seasons worth of games. They had a bad game, it's total bullshit to throw Coleman under the bus and to completely disregard everything else because the dudes had one bad game in nearly a full calendar year.
I had this take on Coleman over the summer. Burton didn't develop under him. Last night 4 receivers looked exactly like Burton.
2013: the only WR we took was Gordon's son as a gift.
2014: Ahrens left, Heath (now in his 4th year under Coleman) has regressed, Andre Davis didn't do much, & Reuter hasn't play since his freshman year.
2015: Kalin Heath left & Zuber, in his 3rd year, is dropping balls.
Coleman's inability to develop the above list of guys does not make "these guys are young" an excuse. If it's not a perfectly thrown deep ball they all either jump or go to the ground to catch it, then still drop it half the time. Maybe Ertz is just that inaccurate.
It's also not just a reaction to last night, I've been saying for a year the players don't respect him.
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Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
Did I say otherwise? You can't call the dude a bad coach if his unit is having one or two bad games a year, that's irrational. It's more likely than not that they won't look like this again the rest of the year. Come in here after we have two different WRs with 100 yards receiving and three different WRs with touchdowns after Baylor then tell me how bad the damn position coach is. They had a terrible game, crap happens.
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Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
Did I say otherwise? You can't call the dude a bad coach if his unit is having one or two bad games a year, that's irrational. It's more likely than not that they won't look like this again the rest of the year. Come in here after we have two different WRs with 100 yards receiving and three different WRs with touchdowns after Baylor then tell me how bad the damn position coach is. They had a terrible game, crap happens.
So if we have a good game against dogshit Baylor, then Andre's a good coach?
Tell me 1 player who had gotten better in 4+ years of Coleman?
No one in this thread has said Colemans a bad coach because of last night. I've said he's a mediocre coach the whole time he's been here.
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I mean, if he doesn't get the blame when his group costs us a crucial game he sure af doesn't get the credit if they beat Baylor.
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Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
Did I say otherwise? You can't call the dude a bad coach if his unit is having one or two bad games a year, that's irrational. It's more likely than not that they won't look like this again the rest of the year. Come in here after we have two different WRs with 100 yards receiving and three different WRs with touchdowns after Baylor then tell me how bad the damn position coach is. They had a terrible game, crap happens.
So if we have a good game against dogshit Baylor, then Andre's a good coach?
Tell me 1 player who had gotten better in 4+ years of Coleman?
No one in this thread has said Colemans a bad coach because of last night. I've said he's a mediocre coach the whole time he's been here.
Deante Burton is being paid to play NFL football.
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I mean, if he doesn't get the blame when his group costs us a crucial game he sure af doesn't get the credit if they beat Baylor.
Any sweeping judgment made in a snapshot is irrational, for better or worse.
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Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
Did I say otherwise? You can't call the dude a bad coach if his unit is having one or two bad games a year, that's irrational. It's more likely than not that they won't look like this again the rest of the year. Come in here after we have two different WRs with 100 yards receiving and three different WRs with touchdowns after Baylor then tell me how bad the damn position coach is. They had a terrible game, crap happens.
So if we have a good game against dogshit Baylor, then Andre's a good coach?
Tell me 1 player who had gotten better in 4+ years of Coleman?
No one in this thread has said Colemans a bad coach because of last night. I've said he's a mediocre coach the whole time he's been here.
Deante Burton is being paid to play NFL football.
:lol:
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He had 29 catches for 404 yards & 1 TD his senior year with NFL practice squad ability. I wouldn't use that to brag on Coleman.
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Defend him all you want, but his group played awful.
Did I say otherwise? You can't call the dude a bad coach if his unit is having one or two bad games a year, that's irrational. It's more likely than not that they won't look like this again the rest of the year. Come in here after we have two different WRs with 100 yards receiving and three different WRs with touchdowns after Baylor then tell me how bad the damn position coach is. They had a terrible game, crap happens.
So if we have a good game against dogshit Baylor, then Andre's a good coach?
Tell me 1 player who had gotten better in 4+ years of Coleman?
No one in this thread has said Colemans a bad coach because of last night. I've said he's a mediocre coach the whole time he's been here.
Deante Burton is being paid to play NFL football.
At defensive back..
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I mean, if he doesn't get the blame when his group costs us a crucial game he sure af doesn't get the credit if they beat Baylor.
Any sweeping judgment made in a snapshot is irrational, for better or worse.
I think the body of work cited isn't a snapshot but wth ever, I love Andre because of copper bowl and his sick beemer/fashion sense so I'm not battling over this
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I think we simply recruited better players than Burton. Pringle and Heath were both better last year. Probably Zuber too. Burton was a good big athlete with speed, just not a great receiver. I'm not sure how much more he could've developed.
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I think we simply recruited better players than Burton. Pringle and Heath were both better last year. Probably Zuber too. Burton was a good big athlete with speed, just not a great receiver. I'm not sure how much more he could've developed.
Yet this is still the best example of Andre developing a receiver in 4+ years.
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I'd rather him be able recruit better players honestly and I think he is.
Let's be honest, Burton was a local kid with some talent that we took a chance on. He was recruited by no one else seriously, to me he made the most of his career and opportunity and Coleman/k-state got the most out of him.
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He had 29 catches for 404 yards & 1 TD his senior year with NFL practice squad ability. I wouldn't use that to brag on Coleman.
What kind of receiving numbers would you expect a 3rd receiver to get in our offense? There was no point in his career did you or anyone else consider him someone who would be a professional football player. You said no one has improved, Burton went from not playing, to dropping everything, to serviceable, to an NFL roster. You gotta take the L man.
You also keep asking who else he's developed, none of these dudes have even had a year and a half in the program so how in the hell could any of us know?
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He had 29 catches for 404 yards & 1 TD his senior year with NFL practice squad ability. I wouldn't use that to brag on Coleman.
What kind of receiving numbers would you expect a 3rd receiver to get in our offense? There was no point in his career did you or anyone else consider him someone who would be a professional football player. You said no one has improved, Burton went from not playing, to dropping everything, to serviceable, to an NFL roster. You gotta take the L man.
You also keep asking who else he's developed, none of these dudes have even had a year and a half in the program so how in the hell could any of us know?
He's on an NFL practice squad as a CB. He took an all-state receiver with enough physical ability that an NFL team is investing a spot to spend time changing his position to CB & turned him into a serviceable 3rd option. That's the best coaching job he's done in 4+ years. I just don't see "Colemam is a good WR coach".
You keep saying these guys haven't been here. Heath is in his 4th year & hasn't gotten better. Zuber is in his 3rd year, he hasn't gotten better. I get he's recruiting over his own players, but he recruited those guys as well & they haven't improved under his coaching. Recruiting better players over guys you recruited & coached for multiple years isn't a good sign. You can't say "none of these dudes" when Zuber & Heath are playing.
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if our offense looks good this season i may be rooting for him to be HCIW
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if our offense looks good this season i may be rooting for him to be HCIW
Yeah, if Snyder sticks around for a few more years I could see Coleman and Seiler as legitimate candidates if they perform well as coordinators.
Interestingly, depending on how long Snyder sticks it out (as long as he wants in my opinion) you have to wonder if several often mentioned candidates will want to continue coaching and/or take on new head coaching role if they are comfortable where they are at.
Leavitt - 61 years old
Bohl - 60 years old
Dimel - 55 years old
Snyder - 48 years old
Venables - 47 years old
Coleman - 46 years old
Seiler - 34 years old
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yeah it sucks but Leavitt is getting old, Venables is still first choice but not banking on it being a real possibility. obviously if we can go out and get some huge stud i'm all for it but maybe coleman and seiler are huge studs.
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Coleman has recruited very well and I loved his recent comments, but lets pump the breaks just a bit and see what we have this season.
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Venables will not coach here. Unfortunate but true.
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a tip for all of the mongloids out there floating around in the 'gloid pond- there's a reason why gene taylor was hired as our ad and it wasn't to perform an exhaustive coaching search
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I BET YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT TO MY FACE!
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1026861455298252800?s=19
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(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/d7/fc/d1d7fca5f6fbe77ec05f6d95ffdcccc3--ranger-truck-bucket-list.jpg)
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think bigger (and also inspired by the Ro throwbacks)
(https://bigrims.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/opkp.jpg)
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:eek: :love: :love: :eek: (ftp://:eek: :love: :love: :eek:)
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1026861455298252800?s=19
If that doesn’t get you a little excited about cats football you ain’t alive
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Seiler is a dream boat
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1029535896725479424
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:love:
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1029535896725479424
Wow. I have chill bumps all over my entire body after watching that. :love: :love: :love:
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Coleman has recruited very well and I loved his recent comments, but lets pump the breaks just a bit and see what we have this season.
This is where I am. Dimel is gone and we've finally got new young blood up in the booth. There's a lot of upside to this season, but it could also fall apart as well. I'd say by the middle of October we're going to know whether this new coaching staff is worth a damn or not.
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gmafb
how hard is it to call plays? it’s not hard to call plays.
some of you clowns watch too much espn
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the coach on last chance u says it doesn't matter what play you call
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we’ve run a total of 6 different plays in the last decade, gmafb no one cares
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:lol:
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I can't think of a single reason you'd need more than 6 plays
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You get 8 plays in Tecmo Super Bowl, but most teams only had about 6 that I would regularly call.
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Onside kick and punt block are probably the other 2.
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and kneel downs
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and kneel downs
Only because we do things the right way. Classless programs can get away with one less play by discarding kneeldowns. Not the Cats. Not on my watch.
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I can't think of a single reason you'd need more than 6 plays
All bills should be no longer than 1 page too
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I'm pretty pumped for him to be the OC
https://twitter.com/KStateFB/status/1029906337944268800?s=19
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From what I know/heard from a reliable source, I wouldn't hitch my wagon to Pringle for the "look how good a person he is" angle.
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Posting unsubstantiated rumors is encouraged here at gE
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Him skeeting in your girlfriend's eye doesn't make him a bad person.
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Him skeeting in your girlfriend's eye doesn't make him a bad person.
haha so funny #bellylaugh
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Handsome for a man.