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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: bubbles4ksu on August 23, 2017, 01:29:12 PM
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A thread for HFBIQ-types to discuss plays and concepts.
The first entry is pretty soft, but look forward to lots of exciting scheming.
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/5/22/15666628/secrets-of-bill-snyder-ball-the-defensive-line-jordan-willis-reggie-walker-will-geary-wizard (https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2017/5/22/15666628/secrets-of-bill-snyder-ball-the-defensive-line-jordan-willis-reggie-walker-will-geary-wizard)
If homegrown DL Walker and Dishon make leaps as sophomores rather than enduring slumps while Snyder’s staff builds around them and local products like DTs Will Geary and Mitch Copeland or DEs Tanner Wood and Kyle Ball have strong years then there’s a chance that Snyder could ride off into the sunset after winning one last Big 12 title.
The author, Ian Boyd, is a Texas alum and knows Cat football pretty well.
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From Prizell Brown and Brandon Harold in 2010 to Jordan Willis and Reggie Walker last year!
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I think _fan only posts Royals stuff now
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I think that is old news.. and was discussed 3 months ago
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I think that is old news.. and was discussed 3 months ago
more timely posts to come beginning 9/2
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I think _fan only posts Royals stuff now
Not true.
That's a really good piece, though the Xs and Os part is pretty minimal, its more of a personnel piece. I do like how they breakdown the ways we use our front 4 plus inside backer to attempt to slow down the inside gaps against spread teams and the issues with defending the old rapey version of Baylor are spot on.
I am anxious to see what changes/adjustments will be made to this year's offense. With more experience from everyone, this will allow for more variety to what we saw last year. Of course, many of these may go unnoticed because a lot of it will consist of reads and options made by the QB presnap moreso than additional plays to the offensive package, basically running the same stuff, but in more ideal situations because we can better anticipate the defense.
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I think _fan only posts Royals stuff now
Not true.
That's a really good piece, though the Xs and Os part is pretty minimal, its more of a personnel piece. I do like how they breakdown the ways we use our front 4 plus inside backer to attempt to slow down the inside gaps against spread teams and the issues with defending the old rapey version of Baylor are spot on.
I am anxious to see what changes/adjustments will be made to this year's offense. With more experience from everyone, this will allow for more variety to what we saw last year. Of course, many of these may go unnoticed because a lot of it will consist of reads and options made by the QB presnap moreso than additional plays to the offensive package, basically running the same stuff, but in more ideal situations because we can better anticipate the defense.
I understand most college football teams will be better with a returning QB, but aren't the numbers when Snyder has a returning senior (do we consider Jimmy a SR?) starter at QB pretty staggering? I would guess it's in correlation with a few of these subtle things.
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I think _fan only posts Royals stuff now
Not true.
That's a really good piece, though the Xs and Os part is pretty minimal, its more of a personnel piece. I do like how they breakdown the ways we use our front 4 plus inside backer to attempt to slow down the inside gaps against spread teams and the issues with defending the old rapey version of Baylor are spot on.
I am anxious to see what changes/adjustments will be made to this year's offense. With more experience from everyone, this will allow for more variety to what we saw last year. Of course, many of these may go unnoticed because a lot of it will consist of reads and options made by the QB presnap moreso than additional plays to the offensive package, basically running the same stuff, but in more ideal situations because we can better anticipate the defense.
I understand most college football teams will be better with a returning QB, but aren't the numbers when Snyder has a returning senior (do we consider Jimmy a SR?) starter at QB pretty staggering? I would guess it's in correlation with a few of these subtle things.
Yes.
I put this together at the end of last year, the last row has Ertz's projections based on average improvements for all the other Snyder QBs.
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Also, for review, here are where K-State finished in Big 12 only offensive/defensive stats using collegefootballstudyhall.com's 5 factors and a few other stats:
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5 Factors and winning below:
Factor Win as predictor%
PpP (Explosiveness) 71.1%
Success Rate (Efficiency) 70.0%
Field Position (Avg. Starting Field Position) 63.1%
Finishing Drives (Pts. Per Drive Inside 40) 53.0%
Turnovers (Havoc Rate) 51.0%
*I am not using havoc rate for turnovers, just simple TO margin.
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he may as well just be posting about the royals :lol: he's just mailing it in at this point
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Jesus, we went 11-1 twice in 3 years with < 45% passers...
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Jesus, we went 11-1 twice in 3 years with < 45% passers...
IIRC, ob was all about yards per completion back in the day
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Jesus, we went 11-1 twice in 3 years with < 45% passers...
IIRC, ob was all about yards per completion back in the day
Yep, that's right. I can't imagine how bad we'd get destroyed by Big 12 opponents playing that style.
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Chad May's passing yards in '93.......... :Woot:
lots of deep routes
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he may as well just be posting about the royals :lol: he's just mailing it in at this point
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thanks for humoring me, _FAN.
http://www.syedschemes.com/clembama/ (http://www.syedschemes.com/clembama/)
i like this pitch read(fake) on the counter trey, it seems like a substantial improvement on the typical read. i've never noticed it before and it seems like an easy addition to the cat playbook.
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thanks for humoring me, _FAN.
http://www.syedschemes.com/clembama/ (http://www.syedschemes.com/clembama/)
i like this pitch read(fake) on the counter trey, it seems like a substantial improvement on the typical read. i've never noticed it before and it seems like an easy addition to the cat playbook.
True, but we have some counter trey wrinkles.
Here some stuff I broke down in 2012. We used a lot of these concepts last year with Ertz.
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2655
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2772
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2715
http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2594
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My favorite part of the _FANalyses was the cheeky puns
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My favorite part of the _FANalyses was the cheeky puns
the puns are his work's only blemish.
The pitch also gives the QB a better look at the pass option if you want to make it an RPO. It's Ell's speed option/slant except the QB can get his feet under him. Everyone will be running it, but it suits us particularly well.
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here's some Xs and Os for you HFBIQ'ers. my HS had a pretty complex system. 22 dive? well here's the thing, not as simple as it sounds. in that play we run dive (basically just blast ahead for tons of yards) by handing to the fullback (2 dude) and he runs through the first hole to the right of the center (2 hole). most of my team was super intelligent at sports so we picked this stuff up after a few weeks of practice.
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"35 lead on 1 guys, ready break!"
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2 was tailback for my team sd. I played tailback
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Lead 4G was easily the greatest high school football play ever. That pulling guard getting the kickout block on that unsuspecting 3 technique brings a tear to my eye every time.
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you guys ever heard of the option? we got a bit more complex. called it veer. try to remember that play after play when busting helmets with the cimarrons and stanton county's of the world.
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Double tights I Right 26 Power
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Right 59 fake 911x, touchdown every time
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here's some Xs and Os for you HFBIQ'ers. my HS had a pretty complex system. 22 dive? well here's the thing, not as simple as it sounds. in that play we run dive (basically just blast ahead for tons of yards) by handing to the fullback (2 dude) and he runs through the first hole to the right of the center (2 hole). most of my team was super intelligent at sports so we picked this stuff up after a few weeks of practice.
this play sounds like it uses up all 8 guys, very hfbiq iyam
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here's some Xs and Os for you HFBIQ'ers. my HS had a pretty complex system. 22 dive? well here's the thing, not as simple as it sounds. in that play we run dive (basically just blast ahead for tons of yards) by handing to the fullback (2 dude) and he runs through the first hole to the right of the center (2 hole). most of my team was super intelligent at sports so we picked this stuff up after a few weeks of practice.
this play sounds like it uses up all 8 guys, very hfbiq iyam
Don't disrespect steve dave and his 8 man football. Its still a fine game.
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8 man football is a thinking man's game. The Xs and Os of it flies right over the head of the average surburbanite.
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I always say mo' players 'mo problems, in regards to 8 v. 11 man tackle football.
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steve dave would know if i was disrespect'n
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i don't think sd played 8-man.
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All about that 8-man
so drop the hate, man.
In a far-off corner of the ocean a lobster
Scuttles into an undersea volcano on purpose.
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Who do you drop in 8 man?
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Who do you drop in 8 man?
:confused:
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Keep it simple: Right 45 trap on two.
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Keep it simple: Right 45 trap on two.
the fullback trap is what's missing in america
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Who do you drop in 8 man?
For offense, "basically" both offensive tackles and a slot receiver. Defense can vary quite a bit; outside LB, DL, S, depending on scheme/alignment.
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Who do you drop in 8 man?
For offense, "basically" both offensive tackles and a slot receiver. Defense can vary quite a bit; outside LB, DL, S, depending on scheme/alignment.
Thank you _fan.
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How many players can be an eligible receiver in 8 man?
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Who do you drop in 8 man?
For offense, "basically" both offensive tackles and a slot receiver. Defense can vary quite a bit; outside LB, DL, S, depending on scheme/alignment.
Thank you _fan.
There are plenty of variations on offense too. You can run doubles with 4 WR with an empty backfield. If you are 2 back, you can have 2 tights, a tight and a split, or 2 splits. You can have twins with a tight and 1 back.
How many players can be an eligible receiver in 8 man?
The 2 players at the end of the line (like 11 man) and the 2 in the backfield, so you lose 1 eligible receiver.
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Yeah, I got it. I should have phrased the question better. I didn't know if it's 2 lineman and a skill or what
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I put this together at the end of last year, the last row has Ertz's projections based on average improvements for all the other Snyder QBs.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2FSnyder-QB-Improvement.png&hash=67ec8ce0bfa6e273fcb8819e06cf643d242df38a)
FYI, Jesse is now on pace to nearly double his projected numbers for passing yards.
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Fun fact Walt Alexander (Huge Cat's fan / Stud Coach at Topeka High) was my High School coach back in the Mid 90's. We played 8 man football and had a set called " The Nike Air" (original ASF name) we had 3 down linemen with a T.E split out 5 yards, Qb and R.b back in shotgun and the w.r's spread out to the sidelines. I believe we only passed out of this formation a handful of times but It was usually a Power Qb run game or some Option game. It's crazy to think 20 years ago we were ahead of the trend with spread offenses at the 8 man Level.
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KC’s Jet Shovel Power Read Combo (http://www.syedschemes.com/kcwk2/#more-1304)
https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/912056310220259328
this is a fun play.
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Yes, its a great concept. It uses power/stretch read concepts (pulling guard), but without running the QB so Smith doesn't get killed or take hits. I think most NFL teams have discovered running your QB on a regular basis in spread option stuff isn't a good idea. I love Reid's creativity on offense with the various parts he has to work with.
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Love watching those plays. Our high school runs a wing T. Lot of motion and misdirection. Great when the guards can block. Not so much when they're getting blown into the backfield.
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
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i played 1 6-man game in junior high. felt very weird
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
Dad played 6 man in the 50's. The Berryton Buffaloes only loss in 53 came against Lecompton. His coach was Jerry Reichert who officiated my high school games and worked for Assays sporting goods in Topeka.
Tom
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
Dad played 6 man in the 50's. The Berryton Buffaloes only loss in 53 came against Lecompton. His coach was Jerry Reichert who officiated my high school games and worked for Assays sporting goods in Topeka.
Tom
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Tom, grats to your Leathernecks for picking up a win against an FBS school.
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
Dad played 6 man in the 50's. The Berryton Buffaloes only loss in 53 came against Lecompton. His coach was Jerry Reichert who officiated my high school games and worked for Assays sporting goods in Topeka.
Tom
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Tom, grats to your Leathernecks for picking up a win against an FBS school.
Thanks MIR. I think CC coach has health issues and they are down this year but a good win. They beat Northern Illinois last year in Dekalb as well.
Tom
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
What years? I watched every 8-man state championship game from '02-'11 so I got to know Jetmore and Hanston pretty well.
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
What years? I watched every 8-man state championship game from '02-'11 so I got to know Jetmore and Hanston pretty well.
I can't remember if we ever lost to Jetmore when I was in HS.
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
What years? I watched every 8-man state championship game from '02-'11 so I got to know Jetmore and Hanston pretty well.
1996-2004. Announced home games most of those years, took stats for coaches on road games.
Watched our kids get crushed more than once by Hanston.
Most interesting game was when my school, Satanta, won is only playoff game ever against Greeley County when GC was expected to win the state championship. That game was sort of like a triple Christmas.
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8 man football is a pretty cool game. My sophomore year my hometown, the mighty Downs Dragons, made the playoffs and lost to Claflin. 1990, what a time to be alive.
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I watched (and announced) 8-man games for 9 years when out west. Kind of miss the game. Did some amazing stuff (and also saw the most vicious hits I have ever seen in the HS game at that level due to the speed nature of the game).
Anyone ever involved in 6-man football? I know it was played by a few schools in NWK (played in either a CO or NE league) not too long ago. My guess it would be some serious hfbiq stuff.
What years? I watched every 8-man state championship game from '02-'11 so I got to know Jetmore and Hanston pretty well.
1996-2004. Announced home games most of those years, took stats for coaches on road games.
Watched our kids get crushed more than once by Hanston.
Most interesting game was when my school, Satanta, won is only playoff game ever against Greeley County when GC was expected to win the state championship. That game was sort of like a triple Christmas.
I've drank a lot of beer in the garage of a former Satanta coach named Schultz. Was he around then?
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8 man football is a pretty cool game. My sophomore year my hometown, the mighty Downs Dragons, made the playoffs and lost to Claflin. 1990, what a time to be alive.
I didn't know Claflin played 8-man before the recent drop down. They were beating teams 60-0 in the 2A playoffs when I started reading the Salina Journal.
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I've drank a lot of beer in the garage of a former Satanta coach named Schultz. Was he around then?
Cliff was the coach of Greeley County that year. He came to Satanta, I believe, after an intervening year (his team won state the next year).
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8 man football is a pretty cool game. My sophomore year my hometown, the mighty Downs Dragons, made the playoffs and lost to Claflin. 1990, what a time to be alive.
I didn't know Claflin played 8-man before the recent drop down. They were beating teams 60-0 in the 2A playoffs when I started reading the Salina Journal.
Coach Greg Webb made Claflin into an 8Man machine. Once, I barfed up a spicy beef stick on my friend in his Dad's car when we were driving to Hays to watch them play for the 'ship. Crazy to think that Downs has been folded into Lakeside HS. Those Waconda East girls used to be fast (on the track) back in the mid 90s.
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I've drank a lot of beer in the garage of a former Satanta coach named Schultz. Was he around then?
Cliff was the coach of Greeley County that year. He came to Satanta, I believe, after an intervening year (his team won state the next year).
Oh, I always thought he won the title with Satanta. I went with Cliff to a couple state championship games in Newton but apparently I didn't listen too closely to his stories.
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Hmm, I always played 11man football
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Hmm, I always played 11man football
it's the best of all football codes. the order is this: 8,15,11,13,7,6
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4,8,15,16,23,42?
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1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
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4,8,15,16,23,42?
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8 man football is a pretty cool game. My sophomore year my hometown, the mighty Downs Dragons, made the playoffs and lost to Claflin. 1990, what a time to be alive.
I didn't know Claflin played 8-man before the recent drop down. They were beating teams 60-0 in the 2A playoffs when I started reading the Salina Journal.
Coach Greg Webb made Claflin into an 8Man machine. Once, I barfed up a spicy beef stick on my friend in his Dad's car when we were driving to Hays to watch them play for the 'ship. Crazy to think that Downs has been folded into Lakeside HS. Those Waconda East girls used to be fast (on the track) back in the mid 90s.
We used to play them every year. Those games were always a battle.
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1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
You said 1 twice, Fib Train.
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1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21
You said 1 twice, Fib Train.
You can’t get the second 1 without the first, I also left out the 0, Fibmanpick.
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:lol:
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Love the 8 man talk. Lived in SD for a year after getting married they had a nine man division. A couple pix of those 53 Berryton Buffalos.
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Is this stuff still played on a regular field?
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Is this stuff still played on a regular field?
80 x 40 field I believe. Dad said they had no bleachers just a cable 5 yards back for people to park cars along the sideline. Worst injury he ever mentioned was broken collar bone cause a kid got ran out of bounds hard and caught the bumper of a Packard.
Tom
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