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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: meow meow on July 13, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
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this guy is a huge Trump supporter also, which is interesting
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this guy is a huge Trump supporter also, which is interesting
Wrong board.
But good story for Scott and team.
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this guy is a huge Trump supporter also, which is interesting
Wrong board.
But good story for Scott and team.
sorry dad
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
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Lol
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
Disagree. Strongly.
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
LOL. Also your an idiot
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Disagree. Strongly.
I said I hope I'm wrong, but it has happened before.
Why does it matter? He's not having sex in public, in front of the team. Why does the nation need to know how he chooses to express his sexuality in private settings?
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LOL. Also your an idiot
Thanks for the reasoned response.
And it's "you're" by the way.
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I'm glad scott feels better and everyone is still being good to him.
I hate disney sports, and it's annoying that this and the corey sutton thing is what they think is important.
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We'll rarely hear about this once the season starts.
It will be mentioned every game we play on disney sports. They are relentlessly on message/agenda.
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We'll rarely hear about this once the season starts.
It will be mentioned every game we play on disney sports. They are relentlessly on message/agenda.
wgaf
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It will be mentioned every game we play on disney sports. They are relentlessly on message/agenda.
Yep.
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Disagree. Strongly.
I said I hope I'm wrong, but it has happened before.
Why does it matter? He's not having sex in public, in front of the team. Why does the nation need to know how he chooses to express his sexuality in private settings?
Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
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wgaf
We're going in to what could be the most magical season of the Snyder Era. Coach has just come through horrible cancer treatment, is approaching 80 years old, a new AD, all the attention already focused on his team, and now he has to deal with the inane ESPN/Disney/SJW nonsense that this issue will attract. If I were gay and on a team approaching this situation, I would keep my mouth shut about it and not let those nincompoops a reason to stick their nosey-noses into my business and distract my team.
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:buh-bye:
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Can't wait to see all this negative press from espn/sjw because we have a gay player
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wgaf
We're going in to what could be the most magical season of the Snyder Era. Coach has just come through horrible cancer treatment, is approaching 80 years old, a new AD, all the attention already focused on his team, and now he has to deal with the inane ESPN/Disney/SJW nonsense that this issue will attract. If I were gay and on a team approaching this situation, I would keep my mouth shut about it and not let those nincompoops a reason to stick their nosey-noses into my business and distract my team.
Sounds like a you problem, the team doesn't seem to share that sentiment
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Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
It matters because this team should get attention earned based upon what they have accomplished on the football field and will achieve on the field this season.
Will there be focus on what kind of sex any heterosexual or bisexual player has during the season? Why is this different? It's not like he has Leprosy or a club foot. It's simply how he wants to have sex for criminy sake!
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Disagree. Strongly.
I said I hope I'm wrong, but it has happened before.
Why does it matter? He's not having sex in public, in front of the team. Why does the nation need to know how he chooses to express his sexuality in private settings?
Don't be that guy Ptolemy.
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Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
It matters because this team should get attention earned based upon what they have accomplished on the football field and will achieve on the field this season.
Will there be focus on what kind of sex any heterosexual or bisexual player has during the season? Why is this different? It's not like he has Leprosy or a club foot. It's simply how he wants to have sex for criminy sake!
There are things in life bigger than K-State football.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States)
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Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
It matters because this team should get attention earned based upon what they have accomplished on the football field and will achieve on the field this season.
Will there be focus on what kind of sex any heterosexual or bisexual player has during the season? Why is this different? It's not like he has Leprosy or a club foot. It's simply how he wants to have sex for criminy sake!
You can just plug your ears and go "blah blah blah" then. Once again, it seems only you seem to have an issue with this, if it's truly not a big deal to you who anyone is having sex with, then it should stand that you should have no problem someone saying it.
Oh god, the horror of having to hear we have a gay man on our team, my mind just can't handle having to watch a game and hearing someone talk about it, or that press is about something not related to wins and losses. These 18-22 year old men should be only thought of as robotic gladiators out there playing for my amusement, no human interest side of it at all. Now I'll have to carry this burden in secret for fear of being shamed and ostracized. :dubious:
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Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
It matters because this team should get attention earned based upon what they have accomplished on the football field and will achieve on the field this season.
Will there be focus on what kind of sex any heterosexual or bisexual player has during the season? Why is this different? It's not like he has Leprosy or a club foot. It's simply how he wants to have sex for criminy sake!
Because there are still kids out there that feel like Ryan O'Callighan did in the sport. I'm guessing, even if there is only 1 kid who feels like Ryan felt, and Scott sharing his story of acceptance & feeling loved by his teammates plays a small role in that kid feeling more comfortable, then it's worth it to Scott to share his story. As a fan, I couldn't care less how it affects the season or publicity or anything else because I'm sure this story will benefit some kid somewhere & it's worth it. If every broadcast uses this as the lead story to every game to reach the maximum amount of kids possible, that'd be great.
https://www.outsports.com/2017/6/20/15835374/ryan-ocallaghan-gay-nfl-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs (https://www.outsports.com/2017/6/20/15835374/ryan-ocallaghan-gay-nfl-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs)
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'lemy will never let you down with a terrible opinion
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Jfc we almost made it without the stupids chiming in
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wgaf
We're going in to what could be the most magical season of the Snyder Era. Coach has just come through horrible cancer treatment, is approaching 80 years old, a new AD, all the attention already focused on his team, and now he has to deal with the inane ESPN/Disney/SJW nonsense that this issue will attract. If I were gay and on a team approaching this situation, I would keep my mouth shut about it and not let those nincompoops a reason to stick their nosey-noses into my business and distract my team.
You are the only one so far in this thread that thinks this way. There are so many more things in this world more important than college football...and Snyder is someone who has preached that since he arrived on campus. This is a distraction, but sends a positive message to all who are listening. I hope it brings this team closer together, and I hope it brings peace and hope to other LGBTQ people who are living in constant fear.
Unfortunately if the team does not play up to expectations, people like you will immediately point blame at Scott's decision to come out as being the distraction and reason for downward spiral.
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I was certain that 'lemy's "black state" confusion on twitter yesterday was a joke. Looks like I was wrong!
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I was certain that 'lemy's "black state" confusion on twitter yesterday was a joke. Looks like I was wrong!
Deets
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We'll rarely hear about this once the season starts.
It will be mentioned every game we play on disney sports. They are relentlessly on message/agenda.
wgaf
IDK, lots of people probably
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I was certain that 'lemy's "black state" confusion on twitter yesterday was a joke. Looks like I was wrong!
Deets
I put it in the cop thread.
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We'll rarely hear about this once the season starts.
It will be mentioned every game we play on disney sports. They are relentlessly on message/agenda.
wgaf
IDK, lots of people probably
While true I guess, it's such a weird thing to get worked up about.
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Then why does it matter if they report on it anyways? No one is forcing you to read or watch anything.
It matters because this team should get attention earned based upon what they have accomplished on the football field and will achieve on the field this season.
Will there be focus on what kind of sex any heterosexual or bisexual player has during the season? Why is this different? It's not like he has Leprosy or a club foot. It's simply how he wants to have sex for criminy sake!
I mean, if someone rapes someone or a sex tape comes out or a pornstar tweets a pic of her and a player in bed together... then yes, they will cover that too
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I mean, if someone rapes someone or a sex tape comes out or a pornstar tweets a pic of her and a player in bed together... then yes, they will cover that too
LOL equating homosexual sex with rape.
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
How would this be a distraction for the team? The teams knew about this LAST season. How is this a distraction? Because he told the rest of us and some people might ask some questions? Newsflash: there have always been gay players on every football team, your fraternity, sorority, at work, all around you. Now that a few more are known to be gay isn't a distraction. The cool thing is that this is no big deal whatsoever for this generation. That is what makes it such a cool generation.
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
How would this be a distraction for the team? The teams knew about this LAST season. How is this a distraction? Because he told the rest of us and some people might ask some questions? Newsflash: there have always been gay players on every football team, your fraternity, sorority, at work, all around you. Now that a few more are known to be gay isn't a distraction. The cool thing is that this is no big deal whatsoever for this generation. That is what makes it such a cool generation.
plus we've got great hips.. which can be a distraction though
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I mean, if someone rapes someone or a sex tape comes out or a pornstar tweets a pic of her and a player in bed together... then yes, they will cover that too
LOL equating homosexual sex with rape.
No, you just asked for topics dealing with sex and straight people that would be covered by the media.
If anyone is raping anything it is you and your comments raping this board.
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This will be a distraction for the team, and will not be good.
For the record, we are all human beings, we all have a sexuality. Some express that sexuality in a heterosexual manner, some in a homosexual manner, and others either can't make up their mind or bounce back-and-forth during their lives. It is what it is.
That obvious point being established, his doing this gives the ESPN-SJW's of the media world a reason to pay attention to Kansas State, and not in a good way. Now, we're going to be flooded with a focus all season long on all the ESPN/SJW-perceived social inequalities that need to be "corrected" in "backwards-Manhattan Kansas" as they see it.
I hope I'm wrong, for Snyder and this teams' sake, but MU and Columbia's problems all started when Sam came-out.
I don't think it will be an distraction. If it was, Snyder and the coaching staff would have not bothered to recruit him at the time. Plus, the article stated that Snyder told Rowe that, if Frantz had told him he was gay during the recruiting process, it wouldn't have affected his evaluation. Snyder also said he was confident that the Kansas State players would accept Frantz.
And how is paying attention to K-State not a good way? I mean, this isn't a major scandal like Baylor, Louisville, or North Carolina we're talking about here.
And for the record, MU's problems occurred not because of Sam, but because they did not have the talent to replace their good quality players that they lost. Plus, MU is a :opcat: area.
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I was certain that 'lemy's "black state" confusion on twitter yesterday was a joke. Looks like I was wrong!
This has cleared up a lot of Twitter WTF's for me. :thumbs:
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I mean, if someone rapes someone or a sex tape comes out or a pornstar tweets a pic of her and a player in bed together... then yes, they will cover that too
LOL equating homosexual sex with rape.
No, you just asked for topics dealing with sex and straight people that would be covered by the media.
If anyone is raping anything it is you and your comments raping this board.
LOL again with you now equating rape with "sex and straight people!" Rape is a crime and is not about sex. Rape is about power.
Want to dig yourself further into the hole, or do you give up?
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Not a good look for manpow5
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Jfc we almost made it without the stupids chiming in
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Yep. It was going too well. Knew it was just a matter of time.
This whole thing reminds me of how stupid and near worthless sports are relative to the love and acceptance of other human beings. The football is a needless distraction from that.
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I'd abandon ship, manpow5. Try again tomorrow.
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I'd abandon ship, manpow5. Try again tomorrow.
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Jfc we almost made it without the stupids chiming in
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Yep. It was going too well. Knew it was just a matter of time.
This whole thing reminds me of how stupid and near worthless sports are relative to the love and acceptance of other human beings. The football is a needless distraction from that.
Yep. Tune out all the crappy sports news and just read away about all the human being love and acceptance going on in the outside world.
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
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You suppose this occurring on the day of the ESPYs is just a coincidence?
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You suppose this occurring on the day of the ESPYs is just a coincidence?
Your calendar is broken
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You suppose this occurring on the day of the ESPYs is just a coincidence?
Your calendar is broken
Ok thanks - totally a coincidence that the ESPYs were the night before.
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Yup he was trying to cash in on all the post espy buzz. A show that won't run again for a full year
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Pretty solid points from 'lemy
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
First off, give me an example where a high-profile athlete - hell, even a high school or no-name college athlete came out and said he was gay and got derided socially, burned in effigy, or even tarred and feathered....what do you expect is going to happen? Hell, nobody "accepts" my traditional, American (and ultimately logical) thoughts on here, but do I go home crying for acceptance? Grow up!
As for "how emotional he gets," I dare you to enter a locker room full of testosterone-laden young men that you are daily fully naked in front of, and declare that you find the form they carry around arousing sexually, and not sweat just a little in anticipation of their reaction. That's just being human. I'm sure there's LOTS of crying in prison.
I hope and pray that Oscar comes out as gay. Would explain a LOT!
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Pretty solid points from 'lemy
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a locker room full of testosterone-laden young men that you are daily fully naked in front of, and declare that you find the form they carry around arousing sexually
Off-topic, this reminded me of when that other o-lineman was waddling around naked in the locker room but w/his junk tucked between his legs a few years back.
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
First off, give me an example where a high-profile athlete - hell, even a high school or no-name college athlete came out and said he was gay and got derided socially, burned in effigy, or even tarred and feathered....what do you expect is going to happen? Hell, nobody "accepts" my traditional, American (and ultimately logical) thoughts on here, but do I go home crying for acceptance? Grow up!
As for "how emotional he gets," I dare you to enter a locker room full of testosterone-laden young men that you are daily fully naked in front of, and declare that you find the form they carry around arousing sexually, and not sweat just a little in anticipation of their reaction. That's just being human. I'm sure there's LOTS of crying in prison.
I hope and pray that Oscar comes out as gay. Would explain a LOT!
I was going to make a post to talk some of this out, but Jesus dude....
FYI you have more to fear from Republican members of congress in lockerooms and restrooms then you do lgbtq people.
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I hope and pray that Oscar comes out as gay. Would explain a LOT!
What would that explain, exactly?
Actually, don't bother. The ignorance you continually display in this thread speaks for your character loud enough.
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frantz:
a) completes me
b) had me at hello
ptolemy: confirmed monstarr
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
Who do you think is trolling?
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
First off, give me an example where a high-profile athlete - hell, even a high school or no-name college athlete came out and said he was gay and got derided socially, burned in effigy, or even tarred and feathered....what do you expect is going to happen? Hell, nobody "accepts" my traditional, American (and ultimately logical) thoughts on here, but do I go home crying for acceptance? Grow up!
As for "how emotional he gets," I dare you to enter a locker room full of testosterone-laden young men that you are daily fully naked in front of, and declare that you find the form they carry around arousing sexually, and not sweat just a little in anticipation of their reaction. That's just being human. I'm sure there's LOTS of crying in prison.
I hope and pray that Oscar comes out as gay. Would explain a LOT!
WTF is an "American" thought???
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a locker room full of testosterone-laden young men that you are daily fully naked in front of, and declare that you find the form they carry around arousing sexually
Off-topic, this reminded me of when that other o-lineman was waddling around naked in the locker room but w/his junk tucked between his legs a few years back.
That was Drew Liddle.... he's now an assistant... Good guy.
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
There's an inherent contradiction in preaching something is normal while simultaneously throwing a parade every time somebody publicly discloses their normalcy. That annoys people.
People also get annoyed (mostly on social media) by the pius hangers-on who scream "look at me, I support this, which makes me a good person, probably better than anyone who doesn't scream support for this."
I don't gaf, but it's obvious that's going on.
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I find it so fascinating that the "why is this news?" people are the same ones that have fought for the last 20 years to deny gay people civil rights.
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
agree with KSUDub on this
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I find it so fascinating that the "why is this news?" people are the same ones that have fought for the last 20 years to deny gay people civil rights.
What "civil rights" are bisexuals denied? For that matter, what precisely is the complaint from the "B" in LGBTQ?
Been wondering this for quite awhile, and the question has yet to be answered.
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
ESPN commands that we discuss it here because they think it is about sports.
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
ESPN commands that we discuss it here because they think it is about sports.
just go away you rough ridin' downgrade
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
ESPN commands that we discuss it here because they think it is about sports.
just go away you rough ridin' downgrade
Agree with clams on this.
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
Why don't you explain it to us in this instance?
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
Why don't you explain it to us in this instance?
I'm very glad to hear some folks want to better themselves around here!
Here you go: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/troll4.htm
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
Why don't you explain it to us in this instance?
I'm very glad to hear some folks want to better themselves around here!
Here you go: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/troll4.htm
apparently you don't understand what trolling is bc if you think that's what he's doing you're giving him way too much credit. nope, brian is just the type of weirdo that your parents warned you about. ask yourself what type of person would decide that a thread like this should be about themselves and their beliefs and that should clear things up for you.
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I stand with pissclams on this issue.
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I stand with pissclams on this issue.
second this
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It's sad that some people on this board still don't get how trolls work.
Why don't you explain it to us in this instance?
I'm very glad to hear some folks want to better themselves around here!
Here you go: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/troll4.htm
Oh, so you're the troll. rough ridin' knock it off dude.
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Oh, so you're the troll. rough ridin' knock it off dude.
I agree...Apparently on this previously welcoming-of-free-speech-site challenging opinions were welcomed and openly debated...until now.
My access to this site has been impeded. I have not trolled anyone. I have not worked to out anyone's identity...though some have attempted to reveal MY personal information against stated site rules!
All I have done is dare to challenge stated opinions with another point of view.
I love Kansas State as much, perhaps more, than any of you could possibly muster. I want only the best for my university.
I enjoy exchanging thoughts and opinions among my brethren, particularly if we disagree. If you believe I have harmed you or insulted you in some personal way, please PM me and let me know. I will acknowledge your concerns and address them forthwith.
But to work to impede my access to reading and exchanging ideas and opinions among you is an assault on part of all that makes us Kansas State grads.
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Here we go....as predicted:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article161488683.html
VAHE GREGORIAN
JULY 14, 2017 5:05 PM
Scott Frantz’s coming out shows how ‘the culture has already changed in football’
When the University of Missouri’s Michael Sam came out publicly in 2014 and in the process became poised to be the NFL’s first openly gay player, the story wasn’t merely about boldly defying stereotypes.
It was about a prominent example of hope for those bullied for being different or who suffer in silence, afraid to be themselves for fear of rejection and all that may come with it.
Paradoxically enough, it also was about inching closer to the day when such an announcement might not make headlines — a day when acceptance eclipses the notion of grudging tolerance.
Consider, too, the active ingredient of societal influence that bubbles up from our most popular sports:
If they could feel safe in the melting pot of the locker room, it also would have implications well beyond those walls.
That day isn’t quite here yet, or Kansas State offensive lineman Scott Frantz’s story wouldn’t have been national news and he wouldn’t have been in tears as he revealed to his teammates he was gay during a players-only bonding exercise in 2015, a revelation made public by ESPN on Thursday.
“I’ve never felt so loved and so accepted ever in my life than when I did that,” Frantz told ESPN reporter Holly Rowe.
Yet if the day this is non-news isn’t here, it’s at least on the horizon.
Frantz’s story is part of what Outsports.com co-founder Cyd Zeigler believes is a “new normal.”
“We’ve got to stop talking about football, particularly big-time football, as though it is homophobic and its coaches and players are homophobic,” Zeigler said in a phone interview. “They are not. They’re not. It is a lie. You can’t say that any more.”
This isn’t just a spot assessment from Zeigler. In interviewing NFL rookies and players past such as Kurt Warner a few years ago, Zeigler came to believe the terrain had changed because so many told of their own acceptance.
Locker rooms, it turned out, weren’t inhabited by football players living in a vacuum.
They were occupied by men who may have gay family members, friends and teammates — and were acknowledging that.
“All these players who are coming out, they’re not changing the culture,” Zeigler said. “They’re showing how the culture has already changed in football.”
Just the same, Frantz represents another substantial step in several ways.
Because he is only a sophomore, he will be more visible as a player after coming out than was Sam, who was drafted in the seventh round by the Rams but didn’t make the team and later was waived from the Dallas Cowboys practice squad.
Because he is one of at least five openly gay players in college football this year, including freshman My-King Johnson at Arizona, a trend that can only comfort those looking for encouragement.
Because of the momentous statement it evoked from 77-year-old coach LHC Bill Snyder, who in the process added to his own remarkable profile.
“What impressed me about this story is that Scott really thought that he could assist others who were experiencing perhaps the same thing or something very similar to this,” Snyder said in a release. “And that hit home with me. And you know I wanted him to have the opportunity to be able to assist others who may be in a somewhat similar situation not necessarily in athletics but just in general.”
“I was quite comfortable that (our team) would be very receptive and that they would treat him as they always have — as his teammate and someone that they cared about. And they did.”
Perhaps also meaningful in all this is where so many of these steps have been taking place: right here in the conservative heart of America.
It was happening at Benedictine, a Catholic university in Atchison, Kan., where Jallen Messersmith of Blue Springs became the first openly gay college men’s basketball player in 2013.
It was unfolding in Columbia, where some 2,000 people lined Stadium Boulevard on a frigid February day in 2014 to form a peaceful human wall to “Stand for Sam” and muffle a hate group masquerading in Christianity.
It has played out in the offices of the Chiefs, where a small group within the organization helped Ryan O’Callaghan find the will to live rather than commit suicide as he had planned.
“All I had ever done was think how bad the reaction would be,” O’Callaghan told Outsports as he spoke of being deterred from his idea because of the concern of then-head athletic trainer David Price and sympathetic ears and steadfast support of clinical psychologist Susan Wilson and former general manager Scott Pioli.
Naturally, considering Pioli said in the same story that he had counseled other gay players and has a number of gay people in his life.
And now Frantz, who’s from Lawrence, comes out at Kansas State.
“We’re not talking about … New York City; we’re talking about Manhattan, Kansas,” Zeigler said.
Noting Sam and Johnson and the other current college football players who are out, he added, “For years I kept being told, ‘It’s easy being gay in New York City and Chicago and Los Angeles, but the rest of the country hates gay people.’
“If people open their eyes, they will see that this huge swath of the middle of the country that we painted as homophobic, this entire sport of football that we painted as homophobic, is just wrong. It’s not reality in 2017.”
That doesn’t mean it can be assumed everyone on the K-State football team immediately was fully into this.
Not any more than that was true at Mizzou, where Sam’s teammates honored his trust and overwhelmingly embraced him but there nonetheless were moments of unpublicized conflict.
“Not everybody is going to be totally accepting of this,” Zeigler said. “I’m sure that Scott had some teammates who don’t ‘agree’ with his being gay.”
But what might be surmised is this:
The prevailing culture now is at least trending toward one in which acceptance is the norm and rejection an exception that is being put aside, if not isolated.
“You learn very quickly in football … you better get along with everybody or the train is going to leave you behind because we’re going forward,” Zeigler said.
That didn’t necessarily make it easy for Frantz, of course.
“The definition of courage is acting in the face of fear; courage is the opposite of fearlessness,” Zeigler said. “(Frantz) was not fearless when he came out to his team. He was courageous.
“And when one sees courage in another person, it gives them more strength to do the same.”
And one more step toward making such a story routine.
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YOU ARE RIGHT, PTOLEMY/TOLLEMEE!!!! IT REALLY IS JUST AS PREDICTED!!!!!
Here we go....as predicted:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/vahe-gregorian/article161488683.html
But what might be surmised is this:
The prevailing culture now is at least trending toward one in which acceptance is the norm and rejection an exception that is being put aside, if not isolated.
There are really only winners in a deal like this. I mean, maybe a few losers, but they are just the tiny minority of bigots who are put off by this....mostly because they know the days of their line of thinking are numbered, and they are increasingly revealing their true hateful selves (which causes them some discomfort).
But, really mostly just winners!
:billdance: :ksu:
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What did that story do to back up a prediction?
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It's pretty mumped up that the mods changes his name. The mods here are rough ridin' awful people to their core.
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Jeebus dudes, what the hell? Respect each others viewpoints, agree to disagree. If you want to be assholes take it to the pit. Stop behaving like jerks. :rolleyes:
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You guys should maybe take trash like that to the Pit. There's really no need for it here.
ESPN commands that we discuss it here because they think it is about sports.
The same assholes that try to shove Jackie Robinson down our throats as a sports story.
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It bothers me so much when people try to act like we shouldn't care about this or that it doesn't matter (usually with some bigoted qualifier, see "the K-State family" FB and issues with "condoning" or finding him "disgusting"). Just watch the video and see how emotional he gets. See how he recounts the story of coming out, being so mentally shaken he is crying, sounding like near a panic attack, all for telling his team mates, who should be his close confidants, what the fibers of his humanity are made of. We have a long way to go when anyone still feels like they can't be loved and accepted for who they are. If wanting a society where people can be who they are, without fear of reprisal and rejection makes you a SJW, sign me up.
There's an inherent contradiction in preaching something is normal while simultaneously throwing a parade every time somebody publicly discloses their normalcy. That annoys people.
People also get annoyed (mostly on social media) by the pius hangers-on who scream "look at me, I support this, which makes me a good person, probably better than anyone who doesn't scream support for this."
I don't gaf, but it's obvious that's going on.
I have some serious issues with the idea that people get annoyed about this for the simple logic issue of celebrating normalcy. First I don't think we're at all ready to call acceptance of the gblt community normal when they still don't have full legal rights as parents, the major parties in politics still don't accept their unions, and until recently there were other laws criminalizing their lifestyles. The annoyance is coming from people on places like the K-State family who start off with "I don't condone" or "I find it disgusting." That isn't annoyance that we're celebrating individuals too much but a deep hatred of the other who are allegedly eroding "family values," the value of marriage, and a host of other complaints. I can agree to some extent that we've self divided our society to a degree to recognize the groups which make up our tapestry.
But to your point about virtue signaling, which is the more harmless in our society? Yeah a Prairie Village soccer mom might go on and on about how great it is, how she supprots X cause, but in the end, she is pretty easy ignore. But lets examine these signaling we've seen from the "other side" who say it's disgusting or unacceptable. You're publicly rejecting fundamental parts of another's humanity because you don't agree with it. You're voting for politicians who are actively working to limit rights and privileges of these citizens based on their lifestyles. That to me is the unacceptable virtue signaling.
For the football side of things, if this were "normal" or "normalized" we wouldn't see ESPN segments on it. There would be a few gay players on every team. Instead we're just now seeing the first handful of people coming out in this sport. I'm glad that most everyone is moving to support Scott as I half expected a pretty bad backlash. I hope he doesn't face nonsense on the road and I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it in Lawrence.
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there have been a lot of things posted ITT that aren't even worth acknowledging. Just so all you dumbasses know.
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Roasted!
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So Ptolemy got ran? Sounds about right, he thought different things, must be eradicated :shakesfist:
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When has that ever not been the case on gE?
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When has that ever not been the case on gE?
Always
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Perception is reality :dunno:
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Reading the news of this, it appears that the player announced that he preferred men sexually to his teammates privately 2 years ago.
But it came out nationally, on ESPN, just Friday morning.
Is there any coincidence about the timing in that ESPN aired the ESPYs Thursday night?
Just wondering about motivation and if media powers are aligned so, I am acting to protect my university from being used as a national propaganda tool.
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nice mod'ing super mods
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It's pretty mumped up that the mods changes his name. The mods here are rough ridin' awful people to their core.
So Ptolemy got ran? Sounds about right, he thought different things, must be eradicated :shakesfist:
are you two, like, irl this stupid or is this an act for the internet?
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It's pretty mumped up that the mods changes his name. The mods here are rough ridin' awful people to their core.
So Ptolemy got ran? Sounds about right, he thought different things, must be eradicated :shakesfist:
are you two, like, irl this stupid or is this an act for the internet?
loser fascist toolbox post
:zzz:
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Reading the news of this, it appears that the player announced that he preferred men sexually to his teammates privately 2 years ago.
But it came out nationally, on ESPN, just Friday morning.
Is there any coincidence about the timing in that ESPN aired the ESPYs Thursday night?
Just wondering about motivation and if media powers are aligned so, I am acting to protect my university from being used as a national propaganda tool.
do you think ESPN is trying to turn us all gay? like the frogs?
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It's pretty mumped up that the mods changes his name. The mods here are rough ridin' awful people to their core.
So Ptolemy got ran? Sounds about right, he thought different things, must be eradicated :shakesfist:
are you two, like, irl this stupid or is this an act for the internet?
Both?
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@cat27
Not only did we get two downgrade pos mods to respond, but they even validated our point.
:lol: :cheers:
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Yeah You're killing it someone who makes me uncomfortable
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It's pretty mumped up that the mods changes his name. The mods here are rough ridin' awful people to their core.
So Ptolemy got ran? Sounds about right, he thought different things, must be eradicated :shakesfist:
are you two, like, irl this stupid or is this an act for the internet?
Both?
:surprised:
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Are fsd and cat27 both Chingon socks as well? :surprised: that guy is brilliant
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@cat27
Not only did we get two downgrade pos mods to respond, but they even validated our point.
:lol: :cheers:
:driving:
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Good for Scott. I understand that there's still a phobia of homosexuality in athletics and it takes courage to buck that trend. But also, looking forward to the day when people can just play football without feeling compelled to announce whether they prefer having sex with men or women.
Can anyone provide some examples of this "phobia of homosexuality in athletics?"
I'm being totally serious, so please don't delete my question because you are threatened in some really inconceivably weak way.
Thank you..look forward to examples of "phobia of homosexuality in athletics."
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Hi Bernie
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https://goo.gl/images/rVyVzY
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I disagree this is good. Why is knowing some guy's or gal's sexual preference something to be celebrated? I disgree with this lifestyle and resent it's glamourization. However, who gives a rip what I believe. Society has said this lifestyle is fine so this kid should be allowed to live peacefully. Cavemen like me should be accomodating and civil.
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Good for Scott. I understand that there's still a phobia of homosexuality in athletics and it takes courage to buck that trend. But also, looking forward to the day when people can just play football without feeling compelled to announce whether they prefer having sex with men or women.
Can anyone provide some examples of this "phobia of homosexuality in athletics?"
I'm being totally serious, so please don't delete my question because you are threatened in some really inconceivably weak way.
Thank you..look forward to examples of "phobia of homosexuality in athletics."
http://time.com/3852611/sports-homophobia-study/ (http://time.com/3852611/sports-homophobia-study/)
For the study itself:
http://www.outonthefields.com/ (http://www.outonthefields.com/)