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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: troubledscribe on June 07, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
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Hello Venzy.
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whoa
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Damn.
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sad day for the Big 12. very happy day for non-OU big 12 contenders.
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Wowsers.
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wow.. that's pretty wild
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Welcome home bob
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Is Bob gonna get Venzy back here to groom dat ass?
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Welcome home bob
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:Purple Koolaid:
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
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think he has some heart disease no?
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Holy crap :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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They're going to get Venables, aren't they :(
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Welcome home bob
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33 year old Lincoln Riley is the guy
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:Woot:
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They're going with "White People Name White People Shame" Lincoln Riley. Mike Stoops will also be fired after Sisco torches them.
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Totally honest, I thought Lincoln Riley was the Nebraska coach
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Time to speculate: Health issue or incoming scandal?
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Might as well give Bill that Dr Pepper now.
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according to espn he's healthy. that just leaves scandal.
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Wanted no part of playing in the SEC
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Y'all had a good run.
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What If OU gets better without Bob? :sdeek:
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i mean no healthy coach quits a major program 2 months before the season starts right? If he's healthy, I hope he had life insurance on her.
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What If OU gets better without Bob? :sdeek:
exactly what Texas thought about Mack!
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What If OU gets better without Bob? :sdeek:
Big Game Lincoln doesn't roll off the tongue does it
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
Neither. Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year. He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement. With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well.
Not a health issue or problems in the program. He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.
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sounds like Urban Meyer a little, but they just can't get rid of that itch to coach.
see you back in MHK Stoops, your sons are good enough to get scholies here! leave your drunk brother tho, and pick up Venzy in your Benzy.
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Looks like Bob is just your average Baby Boomer parent.
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Weird timing. Maybe he got tired of covering up for all the thugs that program has had over the years. Oh well.
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They can do 1000X better but Id laugh if venables went there and KSU lost "their guy".
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I think people are under estimating Lincoln Riley. He is 33, and a heck of a coach. Local sports here in Oklahoma is indicating that Lincoln Riley was pretty much being groomed after Herman left Houston since Riley was the first person they looked at.
Sounds like this was planned out sometime ago, even at the end of last season, but was kept under wraps
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How the hell did they sneak this past ok_cat?!
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
Neither. Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year. He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement. With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well.
Not a health issue or problems in the program. He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.
what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything
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It would be really weird to wait until June to retire so as not to overshadow the assistant AD or whatever Merv Johnson is. That makes no sense.
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
Neither. Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year. He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement. With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well.
Not a health issue or problems in the program. He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.
what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything
If you are asking, then I guess you are not aware of who he is?
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208803511
Merv Johnson announced his retirement during the spring football game. He was under Barry Switzer.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
Neither. Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year. He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement. With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well.
Not a health issue or problems in the program. He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.
what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything
If you are asking, then I guess you are not aware of who he is?
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208803511
Merv Johnson announced his retirement during the spring football game. He was under Barry Switzer.
So your head football coach bases his retirement timing around a retired assistant from the 1980s? That doesn't strike you as odd?
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger. I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.
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Like my brother-in-law just said, he's either sick or about to get caught.
Neither. Stoops had said for some time that he wanted to spend some time with his boys who graduated from high school this year. He tried to announce it during the spring football game, but did not want to overshadow Merv Johnson's retirement. With baseball and softball, Stoops held off as well.
Not a health issue or problems in the program. He just did not want to end up like his dad from what is being reported on the local radio here.
what does Merv Johnson have to do with anything
If you are asking, then I guess you are not aware of who he is?
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208803511
Merv Johnson announced his retirement during the spring football game. He was under Barry Switzer.
So your head football coach bases his retirement timing around a retired assistant from the 1980s? That doesn't strike you as odd?
More than just that but Stoops has never been a spotlight type guy. He is like LHCBS in that way. Besides during this entire time, David Boren and Joe Castiglione were trying to talk Stoops out of it. He assured them the program is in great hands, unlike when Switzer left.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.
totally agree and the Riley hire tells me it was 100% health related. The story is Bob's dad collapsed on the sideline while coaching a HS game at the age of 54 and died on the way to the hospital - my money is on Bob's doctors saw something they didn't like and he pulled the rip cord
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.
Like I said earlier, I think people are under estimating this guy. I expect him to do more than just win conference championships with the recruitment classes they have.
What I do wonder is just how long Mike Stoops lasts and if Lincoln tries to get Venables back to Norman.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.
totally agree and the Riley hire tells me it was 100% health related. The story is Bob's dad collapsed on the sideline while coaching a HS game at the age of 54 and died on the way to the hospital - my money is on Bob's doctors saw something they didn't like and he pulled the rip cord
Well unless he is lying (and why would he), Stoops has already announced that it's not health related, when that rumor started. Press conference will be at 5:30. Thought I was going to be bored until the season starts, but there will be plenty of discussion in Oklahoma the rest of the summer. I love it, Sooner Nation is about to go into cardiac arrest.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
Lincoln Riley has to be essentially an interim hire unless he wins the conference, right? I don't think he would've got the job if Stoops announced at the end of a season.
totally agree and the Riley hire tells me it was 100% health related. The story is Bob's dad collapsed on the sideline while coaching a HS game at the age of 54 and died on the way to the hospital - my money is on Bob's doctors saw something they didn't like and he pulled the rip cord
Well unless he is lying (and why would he), Stoops has already announced that it's not health related, when that rumor started. Press conference will be at 5:30. Thought I was going to be bored until the season starts, but there will be plenty of discussion in Oklahoma the rest of the summer. I love it, Sooner Nation is about to go into cardiac arrest.
I see what you did there. Health issue confirmed.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger. I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.
You mean like promoting assistant coach Gary Gibbs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_Sooners_head_football_coaches
Gary Gibbs who never had a losing season and was fired and replaced by a .500 coach (Schnellenberger)? That mistake?
Blake was the mistake. Gibbs was fine.
Either way your post doesn't make any sense. If Gibbs was the mistake made after Switzer retired, then Riley looks like the same damn thing.
The real question is will you guys fire Riley after four or five sorta meh seasons and replace him with a washed up alcoholic who tanks the program then replace him with an incompetent buffoon? Only time will tell...
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i think we can all agree that the pressure and time crunch were too much for troubledscribe re: thread title
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How the hell did they sneak this past ok_cat?!
He did pretty much confirm Gottleb at Oklahoma State, so...
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i think we can all agree that the pressure and time crunch were too much for troubledscribe re: thread title
Like you could do better
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Merv was also their radio color guy for almost 20 years. He's like StanBot, except if Stan also coached almost 20 year, including an NC & was DoFO for 14 years as well.
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HC - Stoops
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No. Not gonna happen anyways, but no.
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger. I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.
You mean like promoting assistant coach Gary Gibbs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_Sooners_head_football_coaches
Gary Gibbs who never had a losing season and was fired and replaced by a .500 coach (Schnellenberger)? That mistake?
Blake was the mistake. Gibbs was fine.
Either way your post doesn't make any sense. If Gibbs was the mistake made after Switzer retired, then Riley looks like the same damn thing.
The real question is will you guys fire Riley after four or five sorta meh seasons and replace him with a washed up alcoholic who tanks the program then replace him with an incompetent buffoon? Only time will tell...
This is interesting coming from most fans who are chiming for Venables to be the successor of Snyder. How does it not make sense? Lincoln Riley was vetted by Stoops, Castiglione and Boren after his first season in Norman. This was not a spur of the moment decision. The fans are shocked by Stoops' decision, but they are (as one fan put it on talk radio this morning) stoked about OU's future under Riley.
Gary Gibbs was smart but had no charisma and questionable leadership abilities; Blake had great charisma and was a great recruiter. It should not be forgotten that Stoops won his only national championship with Blake teams. Schnelly could not repeat what he started in Miami. Every successful coach to come through Norman had no HC experience except Schnellenberger.
The choice of Lincoln Riley makes perfect sense.
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^^^ i knew this guy was an OU fan all along. he's a huge joe mixon fan too.
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More like incestanalyst
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger. I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.
You mean like promoting assistant coach Gary Gibbs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_Sooners_head_football_coaches
Gary Gibbs who never had a losing season and was fired and replaced by a .500 coach (Schnellenberger)? That mistake?
Blake was the mistake. Gibbs was fine.
Either way your post doesn't make any sense. If Gibbs was the mistake made after Switzer retired, then Riley looks like the same damn thing.
The real question is will you guys fire Riley after four or five sorta meh seasons and replace him with a washed up alcoholic who tanks the program then replace him with an incompetent buffoon? Only time will tell...
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Gary Gibbs went 2-15-1 against the three best teams in the Big 8 in the 6 years he was at OU. That performance against teams that matter will get any coach fired from any program. If Lincoln Riley goes 2-7 against OSU, UT, and KSU his first three years his seat will be burning hot and it should be.
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I love Kobe, and I especially love that gif.
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Gary Gibbs was an incredibly weird situation as well. Everyone else I the program wanted Merv. Switzer openly wanted Merv. There was uneasiness about giving a resigned Switzer's right hand man the HC job, but not enough to outright fire him. Gibbs kept him on staff, which was very strange.
There are a lot of differences between this & Gibbs.
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Riley may turn out to be a stud but OU is a top 10 job. They could've hired a more proven commodity if given a proper offseason
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oh great more Merv talk :'bye cruel world:
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Riley may turn out to be a stud but OU is a top 10 job. They could've hired a more proven commodity if given a proper offseason
Les Miles would have been fun.
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Hey guys I have some pretty good sources that say OU is going to hire gottlieb asap
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They should have given Howard Schnellenberger another run at it.
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oh great more Merv talk :'bye cruel world:
If you want to bring up Gibbs, you have to include the guy the widely popular previous coach was openly campaigning for.
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Riley may turn out to be a stud but OU is a top 10 job. They could've hired a more proven commodity if given a proper offseason
I'd bet there are proven coaches they could get right now.
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Riley may turn out to be a stud but OU is a top 10 job. They could've hired a more proven commodity if given a proper offseason
I'd bet there are proven coaches they could get right now.
Exactly. That's my only issue. This hire might make sense for a less established team. He may be a wunderkind, but who knows?
Comparing this 33 year old to someone with as much experience as Venables is ridiculous. Just a small-timey move.
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I just can't move past the Merv thing.
Stoops: "I think I'm going to announce my resignation"
AD: "Hold tight, Merv gets the spotlight for a while. You can retire in June"
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They could get a more proven coach than Riley but they would still be out of the running for the elite coaches. I think the smart play is to keep continuity for a team that can potentially compete for a title. At least if Riley loses 3 games, they can kick his ass to the curb and call the elite guys in the offseason.
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I personally think that taking a chance on Riley is worth it.
I don't think they really had any other choice given the timing, and thus I believe it was planned all along, and was done this way so as to alleviate an even bigger meltdown by OU fans.
I believe OU is hoping that this means they'll have a HC for decades. It's a gamble for sure.
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Imagine Lincoln trying to tell Mike what to do and how to do it.
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I personally think that taking a chance on Riley is worth it.
I don't think they really had any other choice given the timing, and thus I believe it was planned all along, and was done this way so as to alleviate an even bigger meltdown by OU fans.
I believe OU is hoping that this means they'll have a HC for decades. It's a gamble for sure.
I tend to agree with this, the timing sucks for them, but it's clear they had a plan leading to this. He (Lincoln) has high risk (but manageable), but also high reward. If he works out, they'll have a young guy that can keep them there for a long time, if he doesn't, OU will be able to get about anyone they want. OU is a destination job and easily a top 10/15 job in college football. Also, at least for Lincoln's sake, he gets to inherit a team that is full of good/great players, the chance for him to have success year 1 is very good.
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I personally think that taking a chance on Riley is worth it.
I don't think they really had any other choice given the timing, and thus I believe it was planned all along, and was done this way so as to alleviate an even bigger meltdown by OU fans.
I believe OU is hoping that this means they'll have a HC for decades. It's a gamble for sure.
I tend to agree with this, the timing sucks for them, but it's clear they had a plan leading to this. He (Lincoln) has high risk (but manageable), but also high reward. If he works out, they'll have a young guy that can keep them there for a long time, if he doesn't, OU will be able to get about anyone they want. OU is a destination job and easily a top 10/15 job in college football. Also, at least for Lincoln's sake, he gets to inherit a team that is full of good/great players, the chance for him to have success year 1 is very good.
Any coach that has success at OU will be there for a long time. Nobody is using OU as a stepping stone (outside of weird Urban/Florida, or Saban/LSU examples, but even then, those guys won national championships before moving).
The Michigans and Ohio States and Alabamas and LSUs and Texases (Texasi?) and OUs of the world don't have to make the coaching decision out of weird loyalty paranoia. Leave that crap to the Techs and KUs of the world. By contrast, programs like OU are destinations. They go out and let other people figure out whether this guy can coach, and then they use their status and cash to turn Les Miles from a Poke to a Tiger, to turn Urb from a Ute to a Gator, etc. etc. This is just a flat out unnecessary risk for OU.
The only explanation here outside of just bullshit laziness on Castiglione's part is if Stoops' decision was unexpected. In which case, yeah, It's june. Keep the continuity for 2017 and then go have a bonafide search and hire a bonafide coach. But this whole thing just looks so crackerjack for a program like OU.
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Did they name Riley the head coach or did they call it interim?
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So Lincoln Riley is not a "bonafide" coach. The handwriting on the wall with Riley was it wasn't a matter of if, but when he'd be a D1 head coach, and the starting point wasn't going to be Middle Tennessee.
At both ECU and OU, he wasn't the Co-OC or any of that stuff, he was the OC at both schools and the entire offensive side of the football was his responsibility. There's really only one logic step after that, he just got his a little early. Bob Stoops was 38 when he took over at OU.
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Either Staples or Feldman said they'd heard Lincoln had turned down jobs he could have had at Purdue, Cincinnati, South Florida, & Houston.
Every thought he was an easy, great hire at Texas Tech if they fired Kliff.
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So Lincoln Riley is not a "bonafide" coach. The handwriting on the wall with Riley was it wasn't a matter of if, but when he'd be a D1 head coach, and the starting point wasn't going to be Middle Tennessee.
At both ECU and OU, he wasn't the Co-OC or any of that stuff, he was the OC at both schools and the entire offensive side of the football was his responsibility. There's really only one logic step after that, he just got his a little early. Bob Stoops was 38 when he took over at OU.
Bob Stoops had eight years of coordinator experience at P5 schools before he was offered the job. Not for nothing, but OU in '98 wasn't the same as 'OU in '16 either.
The logical step for Riley was to go spend a couple years being the man in charge at Houston or somewhere. It definitely wasn't, or at least shouldn't have been, being given the keys to a top 10 program after being a P5 coordinator for a couple years.
Let me put it this way, had K-State hired Riley, I would've taken a deep breath and thought "okay, let's see what this guy can do."
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Never forget 2003, 2012, & 2014. :love:
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So Lincoln Riley is not a "bonafide" coach. The handwriting on the wall with Riley was it wasn't a matter of if, but when he'd be a D1 head coach, and the starting point wasn't going to be Middle Tennessee.
At both ECU and OU, he wasn't the Co-OC or any of that stuff, he was the OC at both schools and the entire offensive side of the football was his responsibility. There's really only one logic step after that, he just got his a little early. Bob Stoops was 38 when he took over at OU.
Bob Stoops had eight years of coordinator experience at P5 schools before he was offered the job. Not for nothing, but OU in '98 wasn't the same as 'OU in '16 either.
The logical step for Riley was to go spend a couple years being the man in charge at Houston or somewhere. It definitely wasn't, or at least shouldn't have been, being given the keys to a top 10 program after being a P5 coordinator for a couple years.
Let me put it this way, had K-State hired Riley, I would've taken a deep breath and thought "okay, let's see what this guy can do."
Well okay then.
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
2. Notwithstanding this good news for teams like K-State, I will miss Bob. He was always a great ambassador for the Big 12, even (especially) during the dicey periods. Even at 58 or whatever, he was an elder statesman. Hated his guts back when 98 was still fresh, but I've grown to really respect him.
LOL @ Dabo leaving Clemson for OU at this point. He's not going anywhere but Bama when Saban retires.
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I just can't move past the Merv thing.
Stoops: "I think I'm going to announce my resignation"
AD: "Hold tight, Merv gets the spotlight for a while. You can retire in June"
it appears Bob had 700,000 additional reasons to retire after June 1st but I am sure Merv was his top priority
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Couple of thoughts:
1. Hiring Lincoln Riley is a stupid, stupid move. He's inexperienced and a complete unknown commodity. Maybe he'll work out, maybe he won't. And that's the problem. OU is comfortably a top 10 coaching job, and they can afford to go out and hire someone with a proven track record. Make Chip Kelly an $8m/year offer. Hell, take a run at Dabo. OU can do that stuff. Instead, we're playing the "wait and see" game with a 33 year old first-year head coach who has had less time as a P5 coordinator than Ron Prince when K-State hired him.
I can definitely see your reasoning, but the last person to have HCing experience before landing the job at OU was Howard Schnellenberger. I think they are more concerned about not making the same mistake after Switzer left.
You mean like promoting assistant coach Gary Gibbs? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_Sooners_head_football_coaches
Gary Gibbs who never had a losing season and was fired and replaced by a .500 coach (Schnellenberger)? That mistake?
Blake was the mistake. Gibbs was fine.
Either way your post doesn't make any sense. If Gibbs was the mistake made after Switzer retired, then Riley looks like the same damn thing.
The real question is will you guys fire Riley after four or five sorta meh seasons and replace him with a washed up alcoholic who tanks the program then replace him with an incompetent buffoon? Only time will tell...
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Gary Gibbs went 2-15-1 against the three best teams in the Big 8 in the 6 years he was at OU. That performance against teams that matter will get any coach fired from any program. If Lincoln Riley goes 2-7 against OSU, UT, and KSU his first three years his seat will be burning hot and it should be.
My point was really that if they wanted to avoid the very same situation they found themselves in after Switzer, promoting the assistant coach to HC would not necessarily be the way. It was a semantic argument, really, nothing more.
I got carried away with the rest.
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The two extremes to me would be Lincoln Riley tanks the program similar to the 80's; or win a national championship in the next 2 years. Neither of them are a stretch. Chances are he will start somewhere in between. But he knows the bar has been set high. I doubt OU will accept 2 consecutive years of the record progressively worsening or 3-consecutive years without a 10 win season.
As far as the lack of HC experience, you can count on one hand the number of current HCs in the Big XII that had prior experience at a D1 school. Besides I still go back to the favorite to take over K-State.
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The odds of Lincoln Riley stepping in to coach OU as well as Bob Stoops was able to are close to zero, so I expect him to be fired by then end of the 2020 season.
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The two extremes to me would be Lincoln Riley tanks the program similar to the 80's; or win a national championship in the next 2 years. Neither of them are a stretch. Chances are he will start somewhere in between. But he knows the bar has been set high. I doubt OU will accept 2 consecutive years of the record progressively worsening or 3-consecutive years without a 10 win season.
As far as the lack of HC experience, you can count on one hand the number of current HCs in the Big XII that had prior experience at a D1 school. Besides I still go back to the favorite to take over K-State.
I have to think that there's no coach in the big 12 (save for Beatty and maybe Kliff?) who had less experience than Riley at the time they were hired.
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I just think Riley is basically a glorified interim coach even if he doesn't have that title. We'll know more when his contract comes out. I think they would like to see him do a good job and keep him but anything less than a NY6 bowl puts that at jeopardy.
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I have been thinking about it, and this coaching change makes me really optimistic about winning the Big 12, if, IF Bill is healthy all year.
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I hope Bob enjoys a game or two at BSFS this season.
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I hope Bob enjoys a game or two at BSFS this season.
incredible talking point. no reason this shouldn't happen, he would be welcomed with open arms
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I hope Bob enjoys a game or two at BSFS this season.
incredible talking point. no reason this shouldn't happen, he would be welcomed with open arms
Doesn't he have twin boys playing for Norman High? I'm guessing the fam won't be a fan of the five hour drive after a Friday night game.
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I hope Bob enjoys a game or two at BSFS this season.
incredible talking point. no reason this shouldn't happen, he would be welcomed with open arms
Doesn't he have twin boys playing for Norman High? I'm guessing the fam won't be a fan of the five hour drive after a Friday night game.
both have been in manhattan numerous times for unofficial visits
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Guys, what if BGB comes to manhattan to take over after LHCBS's farewell tour?
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Guys, what if BGB comes to manhattan to take over after LHCBS's farewell tour?
this probably deserves its own thread, you should start it!
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
:love:
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Mike Stoops has got to be refreshing his resume, don't you think?
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I don't see Ruffin and Mike Stoops mixing well. Maybe I'm missing something.
I see Ruffin as a buffer type.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
:love:
Call me crazy but I've always thought that (despite the innovative offense schemes) TTU football was very soft -- especially on defense. It seems that Lincoln and Ruffin are going to make OU football soft, as well.
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We are going to dirt kick their dicks.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
:love:
Call me crazy but I've always thought that (despite the innovative offense schemes) TTU football was very soft -- especially on defense. It seems that Lincoln and Ruffin are going to make OU football soft, as well.
My :love: was mostly to seeing Ruffin's strange body roaming B12 sidelines again.
I think he is a pretty good coach and found it odd that ECU canned him for one 5 win season following 8, 10, and 8 win seasons.
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I think it was maybe an internal thing at ECU?
McNeil can coach. He had some fairly efficient defenses at Tech.
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
:love:
Call me crazy but I've always thought that (despite the innovative offense schemes) TTU football was very soft -- especially on defense. It seems that Lincoln and Ruffin are going to make OU football soft, as well.
It seems like they did a lot of damage to our offence when the Pirate was HC w/ Ruffin as DC. I can still remember the "HIT" on Allen Everidge. :horrorsurprise:
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19636838/lincoln-riley-hires-ex-boss-ruffin-mcneill-oklahoma
:love:
Call me crazy but I've always thought that (despite the innovative offense schemes) TTU football was very soft -- especially on defense. It seems that Lincoln and Ruffin are going to make OU football soft, as well.
It seems like they did a lot of damage to our offence when the Pirate was HC w/ Ruffin as DC. I can still remember the "HIT" on Allen Everidge. :horrorsurprise:
One of the nastiest hits I've seen a Cat football player absorb. Dwayne Slay. Pretty good name for a football player -- it gives the impression of ruggedness rather than softness.
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I think it was maybe an internal thing at ECU?
McNeil can coach. He had some fairly efficient defenses at Tech.
It's actually external, he's outwardly black.
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I think it was maybe an internal thing at ECU?
McNeil can coach. He had some fairly efficient defenses at Tech.
Yeah, he's good
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Didn't RonP hire Ruffin for a minute to be our DC?
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Didn't RonP hire Ruffin for a minute to be our DC?
oh yeah, also tons of other amaze coaches
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I think it was maybe an internal thing at ECU?
McNeil can coach. He had some fairly efficient defenses at Tech.
It's actually external, he's outwardly black.
How did he get hired?
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Weird. ECU replaced a black coach, with a black coach.
:shrug
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Uncle Tom
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I think it was maybe an internal thing at ECU?
McNeil can coach. He had some fairly efficient defenses at Tech.
It's actually external, he's outwardly black.
How did he get hired?
He presumably had an interview and signed a contract.
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Weird. ECU replaced a black coach, with a black coach.
:shrug
So? What's your point?
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Weird. ECU replaced a black coach, with a black coach.
:shrug
So? What's your point?
What was your point?
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Uncle Tom
Probably not a good idea to use that term in mixed company if you don't know what it means. Actually unless you're referring to a book by Harriet Beecher Stowe you should probably stay away from the phrase Uncle Tom, go with "My mom's brother, Thomas."
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Weird. ECU replaced a black coach, with a black coach.
:shrug
So? What's your point?
What was your point?
That he was another in a long line of every black D1 college football coach ever who got fired before his peers did. Wasn't that obvious?
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Weird. ECU replaced a black coach, with a black coach.
:shrug
So? What's your point?
What was your point?
That he was another in a long line of every black D1 college football coach ever who got fired before his peers did. Wasn't that obvious?
Who were Ruffin's peers?
Southern Miss who was in the same conference as ECU fired a guy after one season.
Skip Holtz won conference titles. It was felt that Ruffin's trajectory was declining. Lotta ECU people upset he was canned and wanted the AD fired including all 5 former ECU players I know personally.
ECU fired guys after 3 seasons. At UNC the next 3 coaches after Mack Brown got crap canned in 5 seasons or less. Well, counting Butch Davis, the next 4, in 5 seasons or less.
At NC State 9 out of the last 10 coaches got fired in 5 seasons or less and Dave Doernen won't make it past 5 if he doesn't crap Tiffany Cufflinks this year.
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Okay, cool.
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Welp, Dax just shut this F Board down. Never have I seen MIR submit in this fashion. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Ficon11.gif&hash=e2fb8e8f9f71177b1d2be6ea509757a6efac8fd6)
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You still haven't
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I thought I had read one poster assert that a coach was fired for being black. That coach was replaced with another black man, then someone posted about how other coaches in the area have been given similar firings.
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Between MIR and FSD today, I'm feeling like I need to repeat grade school.
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Between MIR and FSD today, I'm feeling like I need to repeat grade school.
Defeat is a hard thing to admit, and even harder to live with once you do admit to it.
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Between MIR and FSD today, I'm feeling like I need to repeat grade school.
Defeat is a hard thing to admit, and even harder to live with once you do admit to it.
Hahaha I've been defeated many a time. That didn't happen here.
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Between MIR and FSD today, I'm feeling like I need to repeat grade school.
Defeat is a hard thing to admit, and even harder to live with once you do admit to it.
Hahaha I've been defeated many a time. That didn't happen here.
There's no reason for you to admit defeat! Both of us can agree the pride of certain posters will not allow them to do such a rare thing.
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Between MIR and FSD today, I'm feeling like I need to repeat grade school.
Defeat is a hard thing to admit, and even harder to live with once you do admit to it.
Hahaha I've been defeated many a time. That didn't happen here.
There's no reason for you to admit defeat! Both of us can agree the pride of certain posters will not allow them to do such a rare thing.
Haha meh. Not a fight I want to hash out. I've got a civil war to prep for.
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I thought I had read one poster assert that a coach was fired for being black. That coach was replaced with another black man, then someone posted about how other coaches in the area have been given similar firings.
Just because he was replaced by a black coach doesn't absolve the fact that he seemingly got fired after his first "bad" season. I mean dax said himself in the post that the firing was controversial, he agreed with me. He then mentioned the North Carolina coaches who went 17-18, 24-25, and 28-23 with a cheating scandal. He also mentioned Dave Doeren who is 25-26. The guy I said that was unjustly fired was 43-35 and went to more bowl games than all those other dudes combined.
So like I said okay, cool; he did an excellent job solidifying my point.
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Ok. I was mistaken.
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Skip Holtz won 2 straight conference titles and was 19-5 in conference over his last three seasons at ECU.
Ruffin's last two seasons were 4th and 5th in conference with a .500 record.
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Let the beat down continue! :dance:
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Skip Holtz won 2 straight conference titles and was 19-5 in conference over his last three seasons at ECU.
Ruffin's last two seasons were 4th and 5th in conference with a .500 record.
What does Skip Holtz leaving ECU for a better job have to do with Ruffin getting fired? Ruffin had a higher winning percentage than Holtz and Steve Logan, but even if he didn't those coaches are completely immaterial to the point.
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:buh-bye:
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I think Ruffin would be a pretty good hire to replace Bill. I doubt we look outside the family, though.
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Skip Holtz won 2 straight conference titles and was 19-5 in conference over his last three seasons at ECU.
Ruffin's last two seasons were 4th and 5th in conference with a .500 record.
What does Skip Holtz leaving ECU for a better job have to do with Ruffin getting fired? Ruffin had a higher winning percentage than Holtz and Steve Logan, but even if he didn't those coaches are completely immaterial to the point.
It has lots to do with the condition of the program. McNeil inherited 2 straight conference championships, promptly had two losing seasons, then one good season, sandwiched between two decent seasons. Holtz had a .700 conference winning percentage, McNeil had a .625 conference winning percentage. The last two seasons, ECU finished 4th and 5th in conference.
I also forgot McNeil has 6 seasons, and not 5, half his season's ECU had a losing record.
FTR, I thought he should have gotten another year. But again, downward trajectory and a major problem closing out seasons strong were his demise. ECU lost 11 out of McNeil's last 18 games there.
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Skip Holtz won 2 straight conference titles and was 19-5 in conference over his last three seasons at ECU.
Ruffin's last two seasons were 4th and 5th in conference with a .500 record.
What does Skip Holtz leaving ECU for a better job have to do with Ruffin getting fired? Ruffin had a higher winning percentage than Holtz and Steve Logan, but even if he didn't those coaches are completely immaterial to the point.
It has lots to do with the condition of the program. McNeil inherited 2 straight conference championships, promptly had two losing seasons, then one good season, sandwiched between two decent seasons. Holtz had a .700 conference winning percentage, McNeil had a .625 conference winning percentage. The last two seasons, ECU finished 4th and 5th in conference.
I also forgot McNeil has 6 seasons, and not 5, half his season's ECU had a losing record.
FTR, I thought he should have gotten another year. But again, downward trajectory and a major problem closing out seasons strong were his demise. ECU lost 11 out of McNeil's last 18 games there.
The thing is we don't disagree, not even a little bit. The thing with black football coaches is that you can always say that, "they should have had one more year." Even unquestionably terrible tenures like Turner Gill doesn't hold up to scrutiny seeing that Terry Allen, Charlie Weis, and David Beaty all got more time. Like it or not college football's history on a lack of patience with black football coaches is pretty damn obvious and Ruffin is just another example. There has never been a black football coach allowed to be Paul Rhodes or David Cutcliffe, that's a fact, Jack.
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I think Ruffin would be a pretty good hire to replace Bill. I doubt we look outside the family, though.
I agree that it'll eventually be someone from the #FAMILY.
I was a little surprised to see that Ruffin was a few years younger than Jim Leavitt. I was also a little surprised that JL is 60.
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Skip Holtz won 2 straight conference titles and was 19-5 in conference over his last three seasons at ECU.
Ruffin's last two seasons were 4th and 5th in conference with a .500 record.
What does Skip Holtz leaving ECU for a better job have to do with Ruffin getting fired? Ruffin had a higher winning percentage than Holtz and Steve Logan, but even if he didn't those coaches are completely immaterial to the point.
It has lots to do with the condition of the program. McNeil inherited 2 straight conference championships, promptly had two losing seasons, then one good season, sandwiched between two decent seasons. Holtz had a .700 conference winning percentage, McNeil had a .625 conference winning percentage. The last two seasons, ECU finished 4th and 5th in conference.
I also forgot McNeil has 6 seasons, and not 5, half his season's ECU had a losing record.
FTR, I thought he should have gotten another year. But again, downward trajectory and a major problem closing out seasons strong were his demise. ECU lost 11 out of McNeil's last 18 games there.
The thing is we don't disagree, not even a little bit. The thing with black football coaches is that you can always say that, "they should have had one more year." Even unquestionably terrible tenures like Turner Gill doesn't hold up to scrutiny seeing that Terry Allen, Charlie Weis, and David Beaty all got more time. Like it or not college football's history on a lack of patience with black football coaches is pretty damn obvious and Ruffin is just another example. There has never been a black football coach allowed to be Paul Rhodes or David Cutcliffe, that's a fact, Jack.
I guess I kinda agree, however I refuse to even acknowledge Paul Rhodes, because it is Iowa State, after all.
David Cutcliffe? LOL, he was crap canned with extreme prejudice after his only losing season at Ole Miss, he was 4-1 in bowl games. He was canned just one season removed from tying for first in the SEC West and winning the Cotton Bowl. He walked into a complete crap show at Duke and ultimately took them to 4 straight bowl games (Ed Orgeron was fired after 3 years). Ruffin McNeil did not walk into a crap show at ECU. Cutcliffe stands a good chance of being fired after this year, but the simple fact is and will always be, Duke is not a football school. ECU is a football school.
You certainly don't fire Turner Gill for Charlie Weiss, but both of their tenures are marked by some of the worst football I've seen in P5 football in the new era (I consider the new era to be the period around the mid 90's when schools started dumping millions into facilities and coaching salaries started ratcheting up dramatically). KU was awful under both guys, and both were fired after 3 seasons.
Tyrone Willingham. 76-88-1 overall record. He went 0-12 his last season at Udub. Nobody makes it past year 4 at a school that gives two shits about football by going 0-12, and 11-37 record overall. He finished losing 13 straight games at Udub. Here's Willingham's last 6 seasons:
5-7
6-5
2-9
5-7
4-9
0-12
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Ty was straight dog ass at UDub, no doubt. Frankly, I forgot about his tenure at Washington after how he was treated by ND.
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Sorry if Luke'd
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/lincoln-riley-contract-terms-oklahoma-bob-stoops/1gcf1l7kdnx7t1o2g1gjjbdx1z
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Wow. He is set.
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Bizarre move from the sooners.
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It's kind of odd.
If Stoops would have stepped down after the season, do you think they would have hired Lincoln Riley? I think they probably would have. At least if you believe the talk after all of this has transpired.
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As more of what happened leaks out & the rumors are coming out, I'm fully in the "he got a heart scan and it was worse than he was expecting" camp.
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Well, there goes my "basically an interim coach" talking point.
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https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/1093587972836995082
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:Ugh: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wow. WEIRD.
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I honestly believe that the K-State job would have been better than an XFL job.
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LOL at an XFL reboot. Branding stuff with an X is peak 90's.
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An XFL job is great for Stoops, he gets to coach but it's a hell of a lot less work than a college job. He gets to coach pro football players while having the pressure and work load of a high school coach.
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Guys like him though could give it the attention it needs to go in a more positive direction (compared to last time). There are a lot of people out there unhappy with the NFL and would support the XFL in a heartbeat. There is also a ton of talent not on NFL rosters that could make for entertaining football.
Think about a scenario where Colin Kap is kneeling during XFL games, and Kareem Hunt wears "HEKICKEDME" on the back of his jersey. I'd watch!
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The XFL seems like the ideal place where kap could kneel during the anthem and then lex luger comes charging out of the tunnel waving old glory and gives him a suplex. Crowd would lose their dang minds
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There is zero chance Vinny McMahon allows any sort of kneeling to occur
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No BAC’s scenario is entirely plausible. I was thinking steel chair but equally likely.
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Yeah, this will be a fun hobby for Stoops -- and he gets paid!
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The only new league that I think could have any value is the Pacific Pro League that Brady's agent is putting together. That is largely due to it not competing with the NFL, but potentially working with the NFL and competing against colleges to develop younger talent.
I also think the NFL has trouble finding enough decent QBs for their teams. Tim Tebow would be a great name for the XFL to get but I don't think there are enough of those out there.