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Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2017, 12:53:06 PM
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on May 08, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
"Sean will be the head coach. I think it's in order."
Post by: Gooch on May 08, 2017, 12:55:14 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on May 08, 2017, 01:15:30 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 08, 2017, 01:21:32 PM
Sean had better get fantastic coordinators.
Dana, Seiler gets promoted to co-DC, & an older co-DC (whoever Hayes 2.0).
Post by: wetwillie on May 08, 2017, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on May 08, 2017, 01:34:23 PM
Post by: Big Sam on May 08, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
The fact that the author is Dodd makes this article easier to take. I still think it's Leavitt.
Very true. The journalistic work of Dodd exists somewhere between warm garbage (when he does his best work) and steaming hot garbage (which is his normal everyday work).
The only issue is determining what mode he was in when he wrote this.
Post by: Panjandrum on May 08, 2017, 01:44:29 PM
Welp, Sean it is, I guess.
Post by: pissclams on May 08, 2017, 01:49:23 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2017, 01:51:25 PM
Post by: hatingfrancisco on May 08, 2017, 01:52:36 PM
The fact that the author is Dodd makes this article easier to take. I still think it's Leavitt.
Well you would be wrong.
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2017, 01:56:29 PM
I also worry about the possibility that Bill is the primary driver of this against the better judgement of others like Taylor given his overwhelming bias.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on May 08, 2017, 02:16:35 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 08, 2017, 02:34:36 PM
I've come around on the Sean Snyder experiment. The guy after a legend usually fails, too much pressure to be like the guy before him, and Sean is like at least 50% like Bill, so why not?
Cucked...sad
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 08, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
Sean may whip ass, I don't know. But I don't like the presumption that Bill wanting him as HC played into the AD hire.yes. could've just saved money by naming bill the new AD as well
Post by: Tobias on May 08, 2017, 03:03:39 PM
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Post by: TheHamburglar on May 08, 2017, 10:02:49 PM
I heard a rumor from a players Dad's friend (I know, bare with me here) who asked me the other day, "so how do you feel about Snyder's son being the HC this season?"... I looked at him really perplexed and he came back with, "oh, I figured you knew that Snyder was going to step down right before the season started so they had no choice but to name his son HC... at least that's what "players dad" said his son said".... we all know someones uncles cousins dads brother who has a kid on the team, but figured I would pass it along.
I found it odd that Bill went from pissed this got out to giving national writers the exact date of his next scan. Of course, there's a 98% chance I'm reading too much into it with years of being conditioned to 2nd guess anything Bill says.
Post by: ben ji on May 08, 2017, 10:07:32 PM
I heard a rumor from a players Dad's friend (I know, bare with me here) who asked me the other day, "so how do you feel about Snyder's son being the HC this season?"... I looked at him really perplexed and he came back with, "oh, I figured you knew that Snyder was going to step down right before the season started so they had no choice but to name his son HC... at least that's what "players dad" said his son said".... we all know someones uncles cousins dads brother who has a kid on the team, but figured I would pass it along.
I found it odd that Bill went from pissed this got out to giving national writers the exact date of his next scan. Of course, there's a 98% chance I'm reading too much into it with years of being conditioned to 2nd guess anything Bill says.
I still think Bill knows he is going to kick ass this year and will not be able to let that go.
My Prediction, Bill pulls a Tom Osbourne and tells everyone he is retiring right before big12 championship game. Katz win and get selected to CFP because how could your not give the purple wizard one last shot at greatness.
Post by: meow meow on May 09, 2017, 08:02:57 AM
Come to KSU as a lateral Brent!
That was assuming that he doesn't want to be a head coach. It's a joke board.
Relax it's Tuesday, sheesh.
Post by: _33 on May 09, 2017, 08:25:44 AM
https://vimeo.com/25931459
^^^lol remember this freaking thing?^^^
Post by: PurpleOil on May 09, 2017, 08:30:10 AM
Post by: BackPayne on May 09, 2017, 08:34:53 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 09, 2017, 08:50:50 AM
It's Happening.
https://vimeo.com/25931459
katpak silhouette in the shower always makes me :D
Post by: OK_Cat on May 09, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
It's Happening.
https://vimeo.com/25931459
OMG
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Post by: Functianalyst on May 09, 2017, 09:23:11 AM
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"I have a strong belief and my preference is Sean," LHC Bill Snyder told ESPN last year. "He knows more about our football program than anyone. He runs our program."That was last year, but I doubt LHCBS has changed his mind. As many have alluded to about this on varied forums, he has never steered us wrong. If that remains coach’s belief is there any reason we feel compelled to doubt he knows what is best for the program? Do we all of a sudden believe he has a reason to undermine his legacy, just for ego satisfaction?
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Others have advised against it, apparently at their peril. There is a battle inside the walls of the K-State administrative and football offices that has raged for years, according to several sources.I know that Currie was dead set against it, and that makes me think hiring Sean is the right choice for just that reason. But I do wonder what does the “others” know that we standing on the outside may not be privy to?
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Along with the likes of Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden, a couple of years ago Snyder became one of the four active coaches ever inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.Why these 2 comparisons were made gives me reason for hesitation. We know how both ended which was not well, albeit Jimbo Fisher as Head Coach in Waiting did eventually get FSU back on the right track. As also indicated, this program is so well run now, it could go 2 years without LHCBS at the helm assuming the person taking over continues to run the program in the right direction.
One final note on the article that should have everyone worried is the perils that this conference once the GOR agreement gets closer to the end. The history of K-State football puts us in a precarious situations. We CANNOT afford to take a step backward. In fact if anything this program needs to be prepared to go to the next level or find itself in mid-major conference should the Big XII dissolve. JMHO
Post by: SdK on May 09, 2017, 10:32:34 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 09, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
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Often, however, the relative is handed a position at a marquee program with a very brief résumé. This seems to occur more frequently when the head coach is a heavyweight and owns carte blanche within the athletic department.
Oh?
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Though few like to acknowledge it, money is a big reason more sons are going into the business, particularly when opportunities provided by their fathers significantly shorten the grueling, itinerant, dues-paying process, as well as the unemployment risk.
It's an unbelievable cash grab opportunity for the Snyder family. Millions of dollars at stake.
http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/In-college-football-coaching-fraternity-it-s-all-1181976.php
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 09, 2017, 11:31:33 AM
He's not my first preference, but if it happens I wouldn't revolt by dropping my higher donation tickets like I might have a couple years ago.
Post by: _33 on May 09, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on May 09, 2017, 11:52:55 AM
The longer Sean sits in his current role and the more he talks, the more comfortable I am with it. The role is more CEO than anything now. The fact the players like him helps. I think he's actually an affable guy that could do well recruiting. If Blake turns into a good assistant DC this year, I wouldn't have a problem hitching the D partly to him as co-DC.
He's not my first preference, but if it happens I wouldn't revolt by dropping my higher donation tickets like I might have a couple years ago.
I agree, Sean running/managing a program is realistic and I think he can do well. That said, I still have concerns about Sean landing and keeping high quality assistant coaches, especially coordinators. As I look back at the demise of Prince, I think a lot of it stems from the fact that he couldn't keep good assistants/coordinators. I don't think Sean will have the same types of issues that would lead to guys leaving, but there still could be issues nonetheless.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 09, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 09, 2017, 12:00:06 PM
Post by: SdK on May 09, 2017, 12:14:24 PM
if i can call up sean at 3am to dispose of a body, i'm ready to ride or die with him as HCPigs man. Feed them.
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
I heard a rumor from a players Dad's friend (I know, bare with me here) who asked me the other day, "so how do you feel about Snyder's son being the HC this season?"... I looked at him really perplexed and he came back with, "oh, I figured you knew that Snyder was going to step down right before the season started so they had no choice but to name his son HC... at least that's what "players dad" said his son said".... we all know someones uncles cousins dads brother who has a kid on the team, but figured I would pass it along.
I found it odd that Bill went from pissed this got out to giving national writers the exact date of his next scan. Of course, there's a 98% chance I'm reading too much into it with years of being conditioned to 2nd guess anything Bill says.
FYI Bill was not pissed it was announced and was the person who decided it "got out".
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 09, 2017, 01:08:56 PM
Handing a team that many think can win a lot of games to his son and him under achieving would be how to keep Sean from getting job permanently
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 09, 2017, 02:17:24 PM
Quote"I have a strong belief and my preference is Sean," LHC Bill Snyder told ESPN last year. "He knows more about our football program than anyone. He runs our program."That was last year, but I doubt LHCBS has changed his mind. As many have alluded to about this on varied forums, he has never steered us wrong. If that remains coach’s belief is there any reason we feel compelled to doubt he knows what is best for the program? Do we all of a sudden believe he has a reason to undermine his legacy, just for ego satisfaction?QuoteOthers have advised against it, apparently at their peril. There is a battle inside the walls of the K-State administrative and football offices that has raged for years, according to several sources.I know that Currie was dead set against it, and that makes me think hiring Sean is the right choice for just that reason. But I do wonder what does the “others” know that we standing on the outside may not be privy to?QuoteAlong with the likes of Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden, a couple of years ago Snyder became one of the four active coaches ever inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.Why these 2 comparisons were made gives me reason for hesitation. We know how both ended which was not well, albeit Jimbo Fisher as Head Coach in Waiting did eventually get FSU back on the right track. As also indicated, this program is so well run now, it could go 2 years without LHCBS at the helm assuming the person taking over continues to run the program in the right direction.
One final note on the article that should have everyone worried is the perils that this conference once the GOR agreement gets closer to the end. The history of K-State football puts us in a precarious situations. We CANNOT afford to take a step backward. In fact if anything this program needs to be prepared to go to the next level or find itself in mid-major conference should the Big XII dissolve. JMHO
LHC Bill Snyder has steered us wrong.
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 09, 2017, 03:14:02 PM
Quote"I have a strong belief and my preference is Sean," LHC Bill Snyder told ESPN last year. "He knows more about our football program than anyone. He runs our program."That was last year, but I doubt LHCBS has changed his mind. As many have alluded to about this on varied forums, he has never steered us wrong. If that remains coach’s belief is there any reason we feel compelled to doubt he knows what is best for the program? Do we all of a sudden believe he has a reason to undermine his legacy, just for ego satisfaction?QuoteOthers have advised against it, apparently at their peril. There is a battle inside the walls of the K-State administrative and football offices that has raged for years, according to several sources.I know that Currie was dead set against it, and that makes me think hiring Sean is the right choice for just that reason. But I do wonder what does the “others” know that we standing on the outside may not be privy to?QuoteAlong with the likes of Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden, a couple of years ago Snyder became one of the four active coaches ever inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.Why these 2 comparisons were made gives me reason for hesitation. We know how both ended which was not well, albeit Jimbo Fisher as Head Coach in Waiting did eventually get FSU back on the right track. As also indicated, this program is so well run now, it could go 2 years without LHCBS at the helm assuming the person taking over continues to run the program in the right direction.
One final note on the article that should have everyone worried is the perils that this conference once the GOR agreement gets closer to the end. The history of K-State football puts us in a precarious situations. We CANNOT afford to take a step backward. In fact if anything this program needs to be prepared to go to the next level or find itself in mid-major conference should the Big XII dissolve. JMHO
LHC Bill Snyder has steered us wrong.
Retiring rather than firing assistants is the ultimate not doing what's best for the program & undermining a legacy for ego satisfaction.
Post by: pissclams on May 09, 2017, 03:19:57 PM
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 09, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
I won't either if we suck, if we are good on the other hand...
This, although I can't go through 6 seasons of "Sean deserves a chance to prove himself" like we're currently doing in hoops
Post by: Pete on May 09, 2017, 08:09:04 PM
It's Happening.
https://vimeo.com/25931459
^^^lol remember this freaking thing?^^^
You know I am your biggest fan, right?
Post by: Katpappy on May 09, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
sean will probably be able to retain good assistants if he can learn to keep his dick in his pants unlike that son of a bitch ron princeAmen, brother clam! (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fthumbs_up_emoticon.gif&hash=b1f2e975b7df20d1f196018d8418db79682bd85d)
Post by: KITNfury on May 09, 2017, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: Katpappy on May 09, 2017, 11:08:34 PM
Post by: Gooch on May 10, 2017, 08:17:56 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on May 10, 2017, 09:10:36 AM
I know I'm probably picking "side" on the opening coin flip here but what if sean had the Xs and Os like OB but also recruits harder? I mean...
If he was capable of doing either better than our current recruiters or coordinators, then he would already be doing those jobs now.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
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Post by: KITNfury on May 10, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
do coaches have issue with coaches who haven't "paid their dues"I mean, they're human. Not often a guy in mid management would be happy when the cocky young blood that just pulled in that big account gets promoted over him. Sean's not that guy, but you get the point.
Post by: pissclams on May 10, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
sean was an all american punter at k-state but failed to hack it in the pros, that tells me everything i need to know about himKinda like Pullen. :surprised:
Post by: pissclams on May 10, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
sean was an all american punter at k-state but failed to hack it in the pros, that tells me everything i need to know about him
pullen has been a professional since the day he left ksu
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 10, 2017, 02:53:30 PM
sean was an all american punter at k-state but failed to hack it in the pros, that tells me everything i need to know about him
pullen has been a professional since the day he left ksu
that is a body bagging.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 10, 2017, 03:16:04 PM
It's Happening.
https://vimeo.com/25931459
^^^lol remember this freaking thing?^^^
You know I am your biggest fan, right?
I have always loved that
Post by: Pete on May 10, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
As a result, I don't really care who our coach is after LHC Bill Snyder. It's over after Bill, one way or another, IMO. So, rough ridin' give the gig to Sean as a "thank you" to Bill. Bill is literally our entire history of a program. It's him. He can do what the eff he wants with the final relevant days of KSU football.
Go cats!
Post by: kso_FAN on May 10, 2017, 05:50:37 PM
No one knows what will happen when the grant of rights expires, but my personal belief is that we may end up in the AAC or the equivalent of a no-OU/UT big 12. That is my belief.
As a result, I don't really care who our coach is after LHC Bill Snyder. It's over after Bill, one way or another, IMO. So, rough ridin' give the gig to Sean as a "thank you" to Bill. Bill is literally our entire history of a program. It's him. He can do what the eff he wants with the final relevant days of KSU football.
Go cats!
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Post by: That_Guy on May 10, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
No one knows what will happen when the grant of rights expires, but my personal belief is that we may end up in the AAC or the equivalent of a no-OU/UT big 12. That is my belief.
As a result, I don't really care who our coach is after LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder. It's over after Bill, one way or another, IMO. So, rough ridin' give the gig to Sean as a "thank you" to Bill. Bill is literally our entire history of a program. It's him. He can do what the eff he wants with the final relevant days of KSU football.
Go cats!
Seems so depressing when you put it that way.
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Post by: Trim on May 10, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on May 10, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
No one knows what will happen when the grant of rights expires, but my personal belief is that we may end up in the AAC or the equivalent of a no-OU/UT big 12. That is my belief.Being in the best non-AQ/P4 conference in football will suck, but being good in that conference will still be better than being bad in it, so I want the best possible coach we can get post Bill and IDGAF what Bill thinks about it.
As a result, I don't really care who our coach is after LHC Bill Snyder. It's over after Bill, one way or another, IMO. So, rough ridin' give the gig to Sean as a "thank you" to Bill. Bill is literally our entire history of a program. It's him. He can do what the eff he wants with the final relevant days of KSU football.
Go cats!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2017, 06:41:42 PM
Post by: scottwildcat on May 10, 2017, 07:19:07 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 10, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
Huh? Me saying that I want K-State to hire the best possible coach and idgaf about what Bill thinks about it is losery?
just take the #zapping and move on scott
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2017, 09:45:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 10, 2017, 10:40:59 PM
We can't even read about our ridiculous, but not unprecedented, coaching situation without being subjected to this.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 10, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 11, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
The small but vocal group of people on this board are literally the only group of fans in major college sports who think their school will be the first and only P5 school to be demoted. It makes zero sense at all. Why continue to subject yourselves? If I were on a sinking ship and I had the chance to bail, I wouldn't stay on the ship and complain about the inevitable plight, that seems incredibly unnecessary.
We can't even read about our ridiculous, but not unprecedented, coaching situation without being subjected to this.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a fear of our conference falling apart and whatever conference we're in being 2nd rate. Over the past couple of years I've listened to every episode of 7 CFN podcasts. Five of them are national writer or heavily study this stuff like The Audible, PAPN, Campus Rush, The Football Four, & Wetzel to Forde. Literally every one of them say if the Big12 falls apart there's not going to be some meeting where the other 4 conferences draft B12 schools & everyone gets a spot. Someone's getting left out.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but mentally preparing for something completely out of our control & rationalizing in case is perfectly normal. We aren't on a sinking with a the choice of bailing or staying & complaining. We have virtually no control over it. 6 years ago OU, OSU, & Tech had no control, they had to do whatever Texas was doing. I don't think it will happen because I don't think there's anywhere for Texas to go on mutually beneficial terms. I know your stance is its never happened, so it won't happen, but if there's a different Texas UP 6 years ago we're in the Big East or AAC or MW.
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
The small but vocal group of people on this board are literally the only group of fans in major college sports who think their school will be the first and only P5 school to be demoted. It makes zero sense at all. Why continue to subject yourselves? If I were on a sinking ship and I had the chance to bail, I wouldn't stay on the ship and complain about the inevitable plight, that seems incredibly unnecessary.
We can't even read about our ridiculous, but not unprecedented, coaching situation without being subjected to this.
UCONN and USF used to be BCS.
Post by: pissclams on May 11, 2017, 09:35:03 AM
i don't really think you're comparing apples to apples
Post by: manpow5 on May 11, 2017, 11:23:10 AM
Mods, please and thank you
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 02:37:11 PM
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 02:37:53 PM
Post by: pissclams on May 11, 2017, 03:16:26 PM
Which apples were they compared to when they were left in a conference without a BCS bid? Before that happened, it had never happened before, right?
i don't know what any of that means but we've been a division 1 team in a major conference since there were division 1 teams in major conferences, the two schools in your example haven't
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
I believe our next coach will complete his tenure at K-State in a non-power 4 conference.
Post by: Pete on May 11, 2017, 03:55:10 PM
So, I don't care who the next coach is, because I believe it will not impact my opinion of K-State football once the current grant of rights expires. That's based on me believing that OU and UT will find better deals and leave us. That's how this all ties in (for me) with "who the next coach is."
Post by: Kat Kid on May 11, 2017, 06:31:32 PM
No one knows what Texas and OU will do.
I believe our next coach will complete his tenure at K-State in a non-power 4 conference.
Pete, don't play footsie with the dudefromWV again. Your essences are out of whack when he is on your mind.
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Post by: pissclams on May 11, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
Post by: KITNfury on May 11, 2017, 08:43:36 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on May 11, 2017, 09:01:02 PM
Would Sean be any worse than Ron P.? No. Old balls isn't going to have his legacy screwed up by his son? I just don't see that happening. I don't want him as the next HC but eff....Old balls will do everything he can to make sure we have an 8-6 football team.
May the power of Christ be with all of you..
Post by: wetwillie on May 11, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 12, 2017, 12:27:09 AM
The small but vocal group of people on this board are literally the only group of fans in major college sports who think their school will be the first and only P5 school to be demoted. It makes zero sense at all. Why continue to subject yourselves? If I were on a sinking ship and I had the chance to bail, I wouldn't stay on the ship and complain about the inevitable plight, that seems incredibly unnecessary.
We can't even read about our ridiculous, but not unprecedented, coaching situation without being subjected to this.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to have a fear of our conference falling apart and whatever conference we're in being 2nd rate. Over the past couple of years I've listened to every episode of 7 CFN podcasts. Five of them are national writer or heavily study this stuff like The Audible, PAPN, Campus Rush, The Football Four, & Wetzel to Forde. Literally every one of them say if the Big12 falls apart there's not going to be some meeting where the other 4 conferences draft B12 schools & everyone gets a spot. Someone's getting left out.
I listen to The Audible, Solid Verbal, Shutdown Fullcast, Heartland College Sports,Campus Rush, PAPN, and Championship Drive. I don't detect an air of inevitably at all. The reports of demise are generally from the same few places in the south and all of them recently are about OU being unhappy although these reports aren't coming out of the state of Oklahoma like they once did. Notice how we aren't hearing about UT wanting to leave anymore? What people either forget or conveniently ignore is that the LHN deal goes well beyond the Big 12 expiring GOR. Do people really think UT is just going to leave the LHN? That's amazingly stupid if anyone actually thinks that.
The Big 12 doesn't have any issues that other conferences don't. The Pac 12 has a nightmarish tv deal that the entire conference hates and a GOR that expires before ours does. The ACC is having to deal with the speculation that ESPN may not actually launch a dedicated network and just keep them at a digital network. The Big 10 is making all sorts of cash but they are no longer a regional power and are in the middle of an incredible identity crisis. The SEC has all of the money in the world, what happens when that isn't enough? What happens when Arkansas, South Carolina, A&M, Missouri, Ole Miss stop wanting to be second class citizens in their own conference not able to compete with $11 million coaching deals? None of the other schools in those conferences are talking about Conference USA or the Mountain West, hell no one else in our conference is doing that. The evidence does not currently match the hysteria here.
Post by: scottwildcat on May 12, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2017, 09:45:45 AM
PAPN 100% said the Big 12 is inevitably is going to die and specifically said us and ISU are going to be left out back in their April 11 and May 3 podcast. I'm not saying it is going to happen, or that they're some insiders but that 100% is their belief.
It's my belief that the opinion of kstates future from a mizzou fan isn't even substantive enough to wipe my ass with.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 13, 2017, 09:54:49 AM
I never understood, but why is K-State always one of teams or the team that gets, "left out."The first go around was mainly focused on TV Market. We don't draw any major city and KC is split. 2nd was football prowess. There's a huge unknown when Snyder leaves.
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Post by: scottwildcat on May 13, 2017, 03:46:46 PM
That's fine, wasn't saying their opinion is something you should or shouldn't believe but don't be giving out a laundry list of podcasts you listen to and claim nobody says it's inevitable that the Big 12 is going to collapse when that is completely not factual.PAPN 100% said the Big 12 is inevitably is going to die and specifically said us and ISU are going to be left out back in their April 11 and May 3 podcast. I'm not saying it is going to happen, or that they're some insiders but that 100% is their belief.
It's my belief that the opinion of kstates future from a mizzou fan isn't even substantive enough to wipe my ass with.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 13, 2017, 09:32:17 PM
That's fine, wasn't saying their opinion is something you should or shouldn't believe but don't be giving out a laundry list of podcasts you listen to and claim nobody says it's inevitable that the Big 12 is going to collapse when that is completely not factual.PAPN 100% said the Big 12 is inevitably is going to die and specifically said us and ISU are going to be left out back in their April 11 and May 3 podcast. I'm not saying it is going to happen, or that they're some insiders but that 100% is their belief.
It's my belief that the opinion of kstates future from a mizzou fan isn't even substantive enough to wipe my ass with.
You misread bruh.
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I don't detect an air of inevitably at all. The reports of demise are generally from the same few places in the south and all of them recently are about OU being unhappy although these reports aren't coming out of the state of Oklahoma like they once did.I didn't say anything about nobody saying it's inevitable.
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Post by: WildcatPower on May 15, 2017, 12:01:45 AM
HC: Sean Snyder
OC: Collin Klein or Andre Coleman
DC: Blake Seiler
This would be my guess on the direction it's going to go, whenever LHC Bill Snyder, Dimel, and Hayes retires.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on May 15, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
I played in a golf tournament yesterday and spoke with Jon McGraw. I asked him if he had any details about the Snyder succession plan. He said, "Yeah, I can't really share a lot of info. Lets just say that you will probably be hearing some news here in the next few weeks." I wonder what that means. :runaway: :ohno:
This isn't s shot at you, but I think former players are just screwing with people who ask them.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 15, 2017, 09:02:10 AM
Taking a wild educated guess.
HC: Sean Snyder
OC: Collin Klein or Andre Coleman
DC: Blake Seiler
This would be my guess on the direction it's going to go, whenever LHC Bill Snyder, Dimel, and Hayes retires.
Dana Dimel is nowhere close to retiring.
Post by: mhkpasa on May 15, 2017, 09:10:39 AM
I played in a golf tournament yesterday and spoke with Jon McGraw. I asked him if he had any details about the Snyder succession plan. He said, "Yeah, I can't really share a lot of info. Lets just say that you will probably be hearing some news here in the next few weeks." I wonder what that means. :runaway: :ohno:
This isn't s shot at you, but I think former players are just screwing with people who ask them.
Especially McGraw.
Post by: SdK on May 15, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
The Klein for OC part
Post by: DQ12 on May 15, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
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Post by: manpow5 on May 15, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
I played in a golf tournament yesterday and spoke with Jon McGraw. I asked him if he had any details about the Snyder succession plan. He said, "Yeah, I can't really share a lot of info. Lets just say that you will probably be hearing some news here in the next few weeks." I wonder what that means. :runaway: :ohno:
Wow... my guy who said he'd announce right before the season may actually be right! well crap....
Post by: PurpleOil on May 15, 2017, 02:57:26 PM
There were teams who got screwed to midmajor status during the SWC breakup, right? Do they not count?
The University of Houston is the only school that has a case of claiming they were "screwed" when the SWC broke up. Rice, SMU, TCU, and Baylor had little to no business being in the conference with the likes of Texas, A&M, Tech, and Arkansas at the time of that conference dissolving.
Post by: DQ12 on May 15, 2017, 03:18:17 PM
is the difference between Rice/SMU/TCU/Baylor 95 vs. Texas/A&M/Tech '95 and K-State '17 vs. OU/Texas '17 not comparable?There were teams who got screwed to midmajor status during the SWC breakup, right? Do they not count?
The University of Houston is the only school that has a case of claiming they were "screwed" when the SWC broke up. Rice, SMU, TCU, and Baylor had little to no business being in the conference with the likes of Texas, A&M, Tech, and Arkansas at the time of that conference dissolving.
put another way, are we a modern day version of those SWC have nots? I really don't know and maybe it doesn't matter, but this "unprecedented" talk seems a little odd given the SWC shakeup
Post by: kso_FAN on May 15, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
is the difference between Rice/SMU/TCU/Baylor 95 vs. Texas/A&M/Tech '95 and K-State '17 vs. OU/Texas '17 not comparable?There were teams who got screwed to midmajor status during the SWC breakup, right? Do they not count?
The University of Houston is the only school that has a case of claiming they were "screwed" when the SWC broke up. Rice, SMU, TCU, and Baylor had little to no business being in the conference with the likes of Texas, A&M, Tech, and Arkansas at the time of that conference dissolving.
put another way, are we a modern day version of those SWC have nots? I really don't know and maybe it doesn't matter, but this "unprecedented" talk seems a little odd given the SWC shakeup
Its a good point IMO Dlew.
Perhaps a counter is that the public institutions made the "major conference" cut while the private ones (besides Baylor and later TCU) did not? :dunno: I have no idea if that might make a difference in the future or not.
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Post by: MakeItRain on May 16, 2017, 02:11:09 AM
is the difference between Rice/SMU/TCU/Baylor 95 vs. Texas/A&M/Tech '95 and K-State '17 vs. OU/Texas '17 not comparable?There were teams who got screwed to midmajor status during the SWC breakup, right? Do they not count?
The University of Houston is the only school that has a case of claiming they were "screwed" when the SWC broke up. Rice, SMU, TCU, and Baylor had little to no business being in the conference with the likes of Texas, A&M, Tech, and Arkansas at the time of that conference dissolving.
put another way, are we a modern day version of those SWC have nots? I really don't know and maybe it doesn't matter, but this "unprecedented" talk seems a little odd given the SWC shakeup
Tell me one legit comparable between those small private schools in Texas and K-State and those tiny Texas colleges and I'll cede the point. If you think about what you're asking, you've answered the question already. If K-State were ever to be left behind it was in 1994-95. The Big 8 didn't stay together and decide to keep those larger schools, both conferences died, Texas knew full well we (The Big 8) needed them. K-State was insignificant at the time, to say the least. We should have been left then, we were not. The health of this program is leaps and bounds beyond what we were then. In 1994 we were probably far and away the weakest public program in major college football, now we're virtually indistinguishable from other schools like Mississippi State, Washington State, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas Tech, etc.
One more gigantic difference between this situation and 1995 is how wide the gulf is between the bottom of the power five; Boston College, Wake, Miami, Baylor, is how large the gulf has grown between them and the group of five. The old WAC and the MAC weren't far behind the other conferences at all. The BCS and the big numbers of schools that have jumped to the FBS have made that gulf as wide as the Grand Canyon.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 16, 2017, 02:17:29 AM
If we have learned anything, it's that precedent hasn't meant too much this stuff. That's part of what makes it scary.
Why in your mind is it so easy to come top the conclusion that K-State is getting out of the club but these conferences couldn't possibly trim the fat by keeping K-State while getting rid of pretty obvious dead weight like BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Vandy, Georgia Tech, TCU, and Miami? No precedent right? Wouldn't they want these drags to kick rocks and just keep the most profitable 64 and the schools with the best television ratings?
Post by: Pete on May 16, 2017, 06:00:14 AM
"Trimming the fat" out of an existing conference seems like the very least likely thing that could ever happen.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on May 16, 2017, 07:20:55 AM
If we have learned anything, it's that precedent hasn't meant too much this stuff. That's part of what makes it scary.
Why in your mind is it so easy to come top the conclusion that K-State is getting out of the club but these conferences couldn't possibly trim the fat by keeping K-State while getting rid of pretty obvious dead weight like BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Vandy, Georgia Tech, TCU, and Miami? No precedent right? Wouldn't they want these drags to kick rocks and just keep the most profitable 64 and the schools with the best television ratings?
4 of those schools are in a conference that has a TV deal they just signed that runs thru 2035.
2 of those schools are in conferences that are making money hand-over-fist and serve as acceptable, easy wins for their blue bloods.
1 is in a conference with 2 blue bloods, 1 of which had their UP come out last week and say "I expect changes in 4 or 5 years, we aren't committing to anything because we want to keep our options open to leave.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 16, 2017, 10:31:05 AM
MIR is EMAW to the bitter end, and that's great. But KSU brings nothing to the table.
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So you missed the point that in terms of what we bring to the table, we're virtually indistinguishable to the other rank and file in college athletics. In the relative terms of what we're talking about there's two dozen schools tops who "bring something to the table," whatever the hell that means. Not a single one of these schools hold any overwhelming power over their respective conference. The only P5 school that has the potential power to sink a conference is Texas and they have no motivation to go anywhere.
You guys are waiting for college athletics armageddon and the only victim of this is going to be Kansas State, the logic used to come to this conclusion is funny to me.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 16, 2017, 10:38:22 AM
LOL, no one is going to "trim the fat." That's ridiculous relative to how simple it will be for a couple teams in the Big 12 to do what is in their best long term interest and leave the conference...thereby leaving the remaining 12 teams out of a viable "power" conference.
"Trimming the fat" out of an existing conference seems like the very least likely thing that could ever happen.
1. Your math is pretty poor here.
2. Who are the couple of teams leaving to do what's best for their long term interests?
3. You don't want to discuss the fact that a deeply compromised K-State already survived an actual college athletics restructuring in the last 25 years, instead of what may happen in this land of hysteria? I certainly would understand not wanting to discuss it, so no worries :thumbsup:
Post by: scottwildcat on May 16, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
This time it is our conference that people are alleging is going to fold, and if that happens, would a leftovers + best of the MWC and AAC really be considered a "power conference"?
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Post by: Pete on May 16, 2017, 12:41:24 PM
LOL, no one is going to "trim the fat." That's ridiculous relative to how simple it will be for a couple teams in the Big 12 to do what is in their best long term interest and leave the conference...thereby leaving the remaining 12 teams out of a viable "power" conference.
"Trimming the fat" out of an existing conference seems like the very least likely thing that could ever happen.
1. Your math is pretty poor here.
2. Who are the couple of teams leaving to do what's best for their long term interests?
3. You don't want to discuss the fact that a deeply compromised K-State already survived an actual college athletics restructuring in the last 25 years, instead of what may happen in this land of hysteria? I certainly would understand not wanting to discuss it, so no worries :thumbsup:
You got problems, man.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 16, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
K-State survived the first time because it wasn't our conference folding. If the Big 8 was folding and OU OSU UNL Colorado and whoever needed a home and the SWC was stable it would have been us on the outside not those random Texas schools.
This time it is our conference that people are alleging is going to fold, and if that happens, would a leftovers + best of the MWC and AAC really be considered a "power conference"?
This isn't at all accurate. There was a 30 for 30 or something that touched on this but the Big 12 was considered more of a merger and not us taking on SWC teams. The Big 8 had to take Texas and we had to take them on their terms. A pretty good amount of conference rules changed, like how the BOG was formed, in addition to moving the conference office. I have no idea why you mentioned Colorado and Oklahoma State but they had absolutely no juice at all when it came to making decisions back then. Oklahoma also wasn't really a decision maker either either, their brand was heavily damaged by probation, when it actually meant something, and a losing program that didn't sell out its stadium. The Big 8 was in terrible shape and we had to concede a lotto make the Big 12 a reality, it's exactly why Nebraska left the conference 20 years later because they were still pissed, they were the only brand in the Big 8 and they gave up more than everyone else. We survived that because we were deemed to have more value than those Texas schools. If UT and A&M wanted to replace us and KU with Houston and TCU it would have happened.
The comparable between now and then is that Oklahoma alone does not have the power to save or kill this conference, UT does and they don't have any incentive at all to kill this conference. It's a very obvious point that Pete, Paul Finebaum, Clay Travis, and the Mizzou and A&M grads that keep this stupid crap going continue to ignore. UT is making more on that deal than any other school in the country. If UT and ESPN make a deal to buyout LHN before the Big 12 GOR expires then I'll go ahead and hit the panic button as well, but for now I'll stay on this side of logic and rationality.
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I expect Sean to be a little worse than Ron Prince. I think he will end up being the third best coach in program history.That is a horrifically sad statement when you think about it.
Post by: PurpleOil on May 17, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
The comparable between now and then is that Oklahoma alone does not have the power to save or kill this conference, UT does and they don't have any incentive at all to kill this conference. It's a very obvious point that Pete, Paul Finebaum, Clay Travis, and the Mizzou and A&M grads that keep this stupid crap going continue to ignore. UT is making more on that deal than any other school in the country. If UT and ESPN make a deal to buyout LHN before the Big 12 GOR expires then I'll go ahead and hit the panic button as well, but for now I'll stay on this side of logic and rationality.
This needed to be shown again in bold for some of you slow learners.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 17, 2017, 11:41:17 AM
yeah.. :frown:I expect Sean to be a little worse than Ron Prince. I think he will end up being the third best coach in program history.That is a horrifically sad statement when you think about it.
Post by: KITNfury on May 17, 2017, 03:04:01 PM
If OU leaves, yes UT could theoretically hold things together. But this conference would be dogshit and we all know it. We'd survive on borrowed time for however long UT wanted, but the writing would be on the wall.The comparable between now and then is that Oklahoma alone does not have the power to save or kill this conference, UT does and they don't have any incentive at all to kill this conference. It's a very obvious point that Pete, Paul Finebaum, Clay Travis, and the Mizzou and A&M grads that keep this stupid crap going continue to ignore. UT is making more on that deal than any other school in the country. If UT and ESPN make a deal to buyout LHN before the Big 12 GOR expires then I'll go ahead and hit the panic button as well, but for now I'll stay on this side of logic and rationality.
This needed to be shown again in bold for some of you slow learners.
Post by: kso_FAN on May 17, 2017, 03:17:26 PM
I expect Sean to be a little worse than Ron Prince. I think he will end up being the third best coach in program history.
Do you even Pappy Waldorf bruh?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 17, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
If OU leaves, yes UT could theoretically hold things together. But this conference would be dogshit and we all know it. We'd survive on borrowed time for however long UT wanted, but the writing would be on the wall.The comparable between now and then is that Oklahoma alone does not have the power to save or kill this conference, UT does and they don't have any incentive at all to kill this conference. It's a very obvious point that Pete, Paul Finebaum, Clay Travis, and the Mizzou and A&M grads that keep this stupid crap going continue to ignore. UT is making more on that deal than any other school in the country. If UT and ESPN make a deal to buyout LHN before the Big 12 GOR expires then I'll go ahead and hit the panic button as well, but for now I'll stay on this side of logic and rationality.
This needed to be shown again in bold for some of you slow learners.
OU's value to any conference lies completely on the back of Bob Stoops. Other than a great football program all they have to offer is parts of the OKC, Tulsa, Dallas, and Wichita television markets :party: they have never been the national brand that programs like UT, Alabama, Nebraska, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, and USC are.
Post by: KITNfury on May 17, 2017, 09:01:59 PM
They're a top 10 program of all time.If OU leaves, yes UT could theoretically hold things together. But this conference would be dogshit and we all know it. We'd survive on borrowed time for however long UT wanted, but the writing would be on the wall.The comparable between now and then is that Oklahoma alone does not have the power to save or kill this conference, UT does and they don't have any incentive at all to kill this conference. It's a very obvious point that Pete, Paul Finebaum, Clay Travis, and the Mizzou and A&M grads that keep this stupid crap going continue to ignore. UT is making more on that deal than any other school in the country. If UT and ESPN make a deal to buyout LHN before the Big 12 GOR expires then I'll go ahead and hit the panic button as well, but for now I'll stay on this side of logic and rationality.
This needed to be shown again in bold for some of you slow learners.
OU's value to any conference lies completely on the back of Bob Stoops. Other than a great football program all they have to offer is parts of the OKC, Tulsa, Dallas, and Wichita television markets :party: they have never been the national brand that programs like UT, Alabama, Nebraska, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, and USC are.
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They're a top 10 program of all time.
Yeah, underestimating ou is pretty dumb.
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Are you guys arguing they are a bigger brand than any of those I mentioned? Certainly not, so what the hell are you arguing? Either you guys need an explanation of the difference between a winning program and what brand power is or we're just having two different conversations. USC, Penn State, and LSU all have fewer wins all time than OU are you going to argue that OU is a stronger brand than any of these teams? I don't give a crap how good they are, they're not one of the stronger national brands, they're still a big deal but they're essentially Oregon nationally. They were in the top 5 essentially the entire year yet they only played two regular season games that were in the top 5 rated games all year and it was their first two games; the stand alone game against Houston and the national game against Ohio State.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 17, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
They're a top 10 program of all time.Yeah, underestimating ou is pretty dumb.
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Are you guys arguing they are a bigger brand than any of those I mentioned? Certainly not, so what the hell are you arguing? Either you guys need an explanation of the difference between a winning program and what brand power is or we're just having two different conversations. USC, Penn State, and LSU all have fewer wins all time than OU are you going to argue that OU is a stronger brand than any of these teams? I don't give a crap how good they are, they're not one of the stronger national brands, they're still a big deal but they're essentially Oregon nationally. They were in the top 5 essentially the entire year yet they only played two regular season games that were in the top 5 rated games all year and it was their first two games; the stand alone game against Houston and the national game against Ohio State.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
Some OU fans would saying you're making the case of why they should leave the Big12. They see themselves as a top 10 all time program. You can call them delusional all you want, but that's what they strive to be. If you want to be at that level, you have to consistently play other programs at that to draw the national eyes. In the Big12 they get 2 of those games a year. Texas and they have to schedule another OOC. OU was 1 of the top 3 or 4 national programs under Bud Wilkinson. They won 3 national championships under Barry Switzer. OU fans that came of age under Switzer don't give a crap about the loser mentality of "easiest path to the playoff". They want to be the best team in the country. They want the perception as a top-10 program. You're right they haven't had highly watched games. They get an OOC in September & UT in October. Who in the Big12 is going to provide a national game in November? But hey, the Big12 gives them an easier path to side into that 3 or 4 seed through November.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 18, 2017, 05:02:59 AM
They're a top 10 program of all time.Yeah, underestimating ou is pretty dumb.
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Are you guys arguing they are a bigger brand than any of those I mentioned? Certainly not, so what the hell are you arguing? Either you guys need an explanation of the difference between a winning program and what brand power is or we're just having two different conversations. USC, Penn State, and LSU all have fewer wins all time than OU are you going to argue that OU is a stronger brand than any of these teams? I don't give a crap how good they are, they're not one of the stronger national brands, they're still a big deal but they're essentially Oregon nationally. They were in the top 5 essentially the entire year yet they only played two regular season games that were in the top 5 rated games all year and it was their first two games; the stand alone game against Houston and the national game against Ohio State.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
Some OU fans would saying you're making the case of why they should leave the Big12. They see themselves as a top 10 all time program. You can call them delusional all you want, but that's what they strive to be. If you want to be at that level, you have to consistently play other programs at that to draw the national eyes. In the Big12 they get 2 of those games a year. Texas and they have to schedule another OOC. OU was 1 of the top 3 or 4 national programs under Bud Wilkinson. They won 3 national championships under Barry Switzer. OU fans that came of age under Switzer don't give a crap about the loser mentality of "easiest path to the playoff". They want to be the best team in the country. They want the perception as a top-10 program. You're right they haven't had highly watched games. They get an OOC in September & UT in October. Who in the Big12 is going to provide a national game in November? But hey, the Big12 gives them an easier path to side into that 3 or 4 seed through November.
You're right about all of that. They do run the risk of becoming Arkansas though. The most likely scenario is them becoming the 3rd-5th best program in the conference. High school football in Oklahoma is generally pretty good, I'm not sure they want the SEC coming in there. OU certainly won't be pulling anymore deep South kids by going into the SEC.
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 18, 2017, 06:54:07 AM
They're a top 10 program of all time.Yeah, underestimating ou is pretty dumb.
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Are you guys arguing they are a bigger brand than any of those I mentioned? Certainly not, so what the hell are you arguing? Either you guys need an explanation of the difference between a winning program and what brand power is or we're just having two different conversations. USC, Penn State, and LSU all have fewer wins all time than OU are you going to argue that OU is a stronger brand than any of these teams? I don't give a crap how good they are, they're not one of the stronger national brands, they're still a big deal but they're essentially Oregon nationally. They were in the top 5 essentially the entire year yet they only played two regular season games that were in the top 5 rated games all year and it was their first two games; the stand alone game against Houston and the national game against Ohio State.
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
Some OU fans would saying you're making the case of why they should leave the Big12. They see themselves as a top 10 all time program. You can call them delusional all you want, but that's what they strive to be. If you want to be at that level, you have to consistently play other programs at that to draw the national eyes. In the Big12 they get 2 of those games a year. Texas and they have to schedule another OOC. OU was 1 of the top 3 or 4 national programs under Bud Wilkinson. They won 3 national championships under Barry Switzer. OU fans that came of age under Switzer don't give a crap about the loser mentality of "easiest path to the playoff". They want to be the best team in the country. They want the perception as a top-10 program. You're right they haven't had highly watched games. They get an OOC in September & UT in October. Who in the Big12 is going to provide a national game in November? But hey, the Big12 gives them an easier path to side into that 3 or 4 seed through November.
You're right about all of that. They do run the risk of becoming Arkansas though. The most likely scenario is them becoming the 3rd-5th best program in the conference. High school football in Oklahoma is generally pretty good, I'm not sure they want the SEC coming in there. OU certainly won't be pulling anymore deep South kids by going into the SEC.
My favorite idea that I've heard is OU & KU need to work to cut the Big12 schedule back to 8 games & call the SEC/Mizzou/Arkansas to change thanksgiving weekend to KU/Mizzou & OU/Arky. If OU is having the type of season the fans think they should have, that's a top-20 rated game because casual fans of both conferences are watching.
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Post by: wetwillie on May 18, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
In case you haven't caught on already, Sean Snyder is not going to be the next head coach, so it's pretty pointless to keep talking about it.
That's the spirit
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Post by: KITNfury on May 18, 2017, 03:21:52 PM
Pretty much every issue with this stupid conference is fixed if we simply change the schedule to 8 conference games. But this conference will eff that up too.I would agree that 8 would help, and mainly because it would sort of create a "need" for a championship game where we obviously don't right now. However, I don't know if it would affect our TV contract. I suspect it would.
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 09, 2017, 09:16:08 AM
Post by: BackPayne on June 09, 2017, 10:19:55 AM
At the Catbacker event in Topeka, Bill started laying the ground work for coaching from the press box in the first game. According to Haskins, when asked about dealing with the heat, he said if its too hot he may do what he did in the 2nd half of the spring game. He made some jokes about cold drinks and ice cream, but he's already putting in people's heads the idea of letting Sean run it from the sideline the 1st game.
Heck, if he does and Sean calls a great game, sweet!
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Could this Catbackers Tour serve as the farewell tour for Snyder?
“It possibly very well could be, but at the same time, if I’ve learned anything from Coach Snyder, it’s that if this would be his farewell tour, he would’ve let the guys on the team know,” Risner said. “You know what I mean? We probably would’ve been aware of that. I think no matter what, Coach Snyder is going to have a big part in our football program this next year. Not saying that he’s going to be 100 percent and be the head coach the whole time, but I still think he’s going to be a part of the program, and be around the complex a lot, and hopefully, he’s there all the time.
“Hopefully, he’s on the sidelines coaching.”
https://kansasstate.rivals.com/news/bill-snyder-an-enduring-inspiration
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Post by: meow meow on July 19, 2017, 11:46:17 AM
kinda seems like Sean wants to be a head coach, i'd always thought Bill wanted him to be but he didn't really want to
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Calling him Sean will rile up the tucks, ya know.
no it won't.
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Calling him Sean will rile up the tucks, ya know.
no it won't.
You forget how much people hated our basketball coach being called "Frank?"
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 19, 2017, 01:01:09 PM
Do people still not think this will happen?
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Do you think Gene Taylor is his own man? (not a rhetorical question)
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Post by: scottwildcat on July 19, 2017, 01:13:59 PM
Calling him Sean will rile up the tucks, ya know.
no it won't.
You forget how much people hated our basketball coach being called "Frank?"
I feel like the Tuck Army would fall on the side of "there was only one 'Coach Snyder'" side of things, but I've been wrong many times before, and be wrong many times in the future, and this very well maybe one of those things.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
2 Questions: First, who keeps perpetuating this rumor that Sean will take over and second, WHY do they keep doing it???
1. LHC Bill Snyder
2. He wants Sean to have a good job when he retires.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2017, 05:04:05 PM
So say Sean sucks on the equivalent of Weber to basketball. Does Gene keep him around because he's, "Bills son."
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Our fans would love Sean if he can obtain the same level of success Weber has with basketball. That would be a Big 12 championship in 2018 and bowl games about every other year or so.
Post by: DKmode500 on July 19, 2017, 08:56:43 PM
Gene Taylor is a pushover
You're basing this on??????.
Taylor has done really nothing to warrant any sort of label at K-State thus far. Really the only major thing Taylor has done so far is rightfully granting a transfer request from Sutton before that situation continued to fester, amd i can only assume insisting Bill issue a public apology to Sutton for a moment of senility, which i can also assume Bill didn't enjoy having to do.
Not a huge decision, but a slight sign at least to me that Taylor isnt just a dude just here to keep the office lights on.
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Post by: PurpleOil on July 20, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
So say Sean sucks on the equivalent of Weber to basketball. Does Gene keep him around because he's, "Bills son."
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I highly doubt it. I disagree that our fan base would tolerate Texas Tech like results, where we're just hoping for bowl games each year.
Post by: 0.42 on July 20, 2017, 08:32:26 AM
So say Sean sucks on the equivalent of Weber to basketball. Does Gene keep him around because he's, "Bills son."
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I highly doubt it. I disagree that our fan base would tolerate Texas Tech like results, where we're just hoping for bowl games each year.
The tucks (i.e. the vast majority of the fanbase) absolutely would.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2017, 08:54:24 AM
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Post by: Trim on July 20, 2017, 09:42:28 AM
Why would we suddenly abandon that mentality and simply ride the mediocrity train just because of a coach's last name?
Suddenly?
Post by: scottwildcat on July 20, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
But why would they? It scares me a little because part of me thinks you're right, but there's no rational behind it. For the last two and a half decades we've come to expect that we go to a bowl game every season and be consistently in the hunt for a conference title. When Snyder had issues and missed in 04 and 05, there was a lot of talk from fans that he was past his prime and needed to leave. When the disaster that was Ron Prince showed us that he wasn't going to consistently make bowl games, he was shown the door. Why would we suddenly abandon that mentality and simply ride the mediocrity train just because of a coach's last name?
as long as the next coach is white and from "the family" the tucks will be fine with him as long as he out preforms Ron Prince, and if anyone says anything bad they'll say "at least he isn't Prince".
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Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2017, 10:28:57 AM
It would highly depend on what assistants he would hire/retain. If he got some young studs as assistants, then ok.
Spoiler alert: he won't.
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Post by: scottwildcat on July 20, 2017, 10:56:50 AM
Do you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I think he was fired for sucking, what i'm saying as long as the "Tucks" like and consider the next person part of "The Family" and the team preforms better than Prince they'll be fine with it. The line will be as long as we have someone who's going to bowl games 2 out of 3 years "well there isn't another LHC Bill Snyder out there, and do we really want to end up like we did with Prince"
Post by: kso_FAN on July 20, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
Do you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I think he was fired for sucking, what i'm saying as long as the "Tucks" like and consider the next person part of "The Family" and the team preforms better than Prince they'll be fine with it. The line will be as long as we have someone who's going to bowl games 2 out of 3 years "well there isn't another LHC Bill Snyder out there, and do we really want to end up like we did with Prince"
That's fair.
I would be curious how long our fans would take Paul Rhoads levels of success at K-State. I could see a similar career arc for Sean; inheriting a solid program with a few years of okay results that gradually becomes less than mediocre.
Post by: scottwildcat on July 20, 2017, 11:29:18 AM
Do you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I think he was fired for sucking, what i'm saying as long as the "Tucks" like and consider the next person part of "The Family" and the team preforms better than Prince they'll be fine with it. The line will be as long as we have someone who's going to bowl games 2 out of 3 years "well there isn't another LHC Bill Snyder out there, and do we really want to end up like we did with Prince"
That's fair.
I would be curious how long our fans would take Paul Rhoads levels of success at K-State. I could see a similar career arc for Sean; inheriting a solid program with a few years of okay results that gradually becomes less than mediocre.
it would be the exact same sides you see in the oscar Weber debate, the Weber haters would be burning it down, the people who like oscar would be fine with Sean no matter what.
Post by: 0.42 on July 20, 2017, 11:35:24 AM
Post by: scottwildcat on July 20, 2017, 11:37:39 AM
FWIW a pretty solid source told me that the leader in the AD clubhouse might not be Sean. PM for deets if you want
There isn't anyone on this staff that i would be happy to have as the HC
Post by: DKmode500 on July 20, 2017, 12:15:06 PM
Post by: cat.branchman on July 20, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
Do you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I think he was fired for sucking, what i'm saying as long as the "Tucks" like and consider the next person part of "The Family" and the team preforms better than Prince they'll be fine with it. The line will be as long as we have someone who's going to bowl games 2 out of 3 years "well there isn't another LHC LHC Bill Snyder out there, and do we really want to end up like we did with Prince"
That's fair.
I would be curious how long our fans would take Paul Rhoads levels of success at K-State. I could see a similar career arc for Sean; inheriting a solid program with a few years of okay results that gradually becomes less than mediocre.
Tucks don't need bowl games nearly as much as they need to beat ku. They would take actual Paul Rhodes if he wins their state for them every year.
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Post by: KCFDcat on July 20, 2017, 01:00:03 PM
I dunno, tucks live bowl games. It's their one opportunity to get out of the state of KSDo you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I think he was fired for sucking, what i'm saying as long as the "Tucks" like and consider the next person part of "The Family" and the team preforms better than Prince they'll be fine with it. The line will be as long as we have someone who's going to bowl games 2 out of 3 years "well there isn't another LHC LHC Bill Snyder out there, and do we really want to end up like we did with Prince"
That's fair.
I would be curious how long our fans would take Paul Rhoads levels of success at K-State. I could see a similar career arc for Sean; inheriting a solid program with a few years of okay results that gradually becomes less than mediocre.
Tucks don't need bowl games nearly as much as they need to beat ku. They would take actual Paul Rhodes if he wins their state for them every year.
Post by: slackcat on July 20, 2017, 01:09:02 PM
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I'm glad to see many here coming to terms with Sean taking over when Bill retires. At that point he will become Coach Snyder and the legend will become our beloved Bill. The roles will reverse and where Sean was Bill's right hand man Bill will become Sean's trusted advisor and confidant. What could be better? Sean has been very successful in all of his roles and has been extremely loyal to both his father and K-State. To not give him this opportunity would be a slap and to not take Bill's recommendation would be disrespectful and contrary to the family approach which has become so very real here. No matter who we hire the task of replacing a legend will be daunting and expecting anyone to replicate our hall of fame coach is unrealistic. But I give Sean the best chance of continuing the culture which has been built here. To not take this course would be wasting a golden opportunity to prolong the Snyder reign.
Tuck if there ever is one. :buh-bye:
Post by: PurpleOil on July 21, 2017, 07:38:41 AM
QuoteI'm glad to see many here coming to terms with Sean taking over when Bill retires. At that point he will become Coach Snyder and the legend will become our beloved Bill. The roles will reverse and where Sean was Bill's right hand man Bill will become Sean's trusted advisor and confidant. What could be better? Sean has been very successful in all of his roles and has been extremely loyal to both his father and K-State. To not give him this opportunity would be a slap and to not take Bill's recommendation would be disrespectful and contrary to the family approach which has become so very real here. No matter who we hire the task of replacing a legend will be daunting and expecting anyone to replicate our hall of fame coach is unrealistic. But I give Sean the best chance of continuing the culture which has been built here. To not take this course would be wasting a golden opportunity to prolong the Snyder reign.
Tuck if there ever is one. :buh-bye:
Jesus rough riding christ... what a rough riding loser. This sentence says it all right here,
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expecting anyone to replicate our hall of fame coach is unrealistic.
Translation 1: I'm okay with our program declining and the hundreds of millions of dollars that have been invested into the infrastructure of our athletics going to waste because I don't actually believe our program is any better than the KU's, BC's, or Vanderbilt's across the country.
Translation 2: I'm okay with losing.
God damn these people need knocked upside the head.
Post by: SdK on July 21, 2017, 07:40:21 AM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 21, 2017, 08:41:28 AM
Name one coach in the history of kstate football that isn't named Snyder that has averaged 8 a yearhes been here like 100 years
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on July 21, 2017, 09:00:18 AM
I could behind Sean if he just had some experience somewhere other than KState. I understand he's been trained by a hall of famer, but I just want to see the product he can produce somewhere other than under his dad
Agreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 21, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
The past 4 seasons we've averaged 4 losses a year. Why is 8-4 going to be hard to duplicate?
It won't. Getting the occasional team that wins 10-11 will be harder to duplicate, and Bill had a run where he did that 6 out of 7 years.
Post by: ChiComCat on July 21, 2017, 09:42:32 AM
Name one coach in the history of kstate football that isn't named Snyder that has averaged 8 a year
It is ridiculous to compare pre-Snyder K-state fanbase, facilities, and support to post-Snyder. Not saying it will be super easy to average 8 a year, but that the past results are hardly relevant.
Post by: 0.42 on July 21, 2017, 10:09:29 AM
It is ridiculous to compare pre-Snyder K-state fanbase, facilities, and support to post-Snyder. Not saying it will be super easy to average 8 a year, but that the past results are hardly relevant.
Someone please send this to every national sportswriter's inbox.
Post by: wetwillie on July 21, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 21, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Agreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
really?
Post by: PurpleOil on July 21, 2017, 11:00:10 AM
Agreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
really?
Really. If he was serious about head coaching then he should have found a way to do what every other head coach in this country has typically done and become an OC or DC for a few years to prove that he actually knows what he's doing and isn't just riding coattails. He hasn't done that so why should we believe that he's serious about taking over?
Post by: scottwildcat on July 21, 2017, 12:44:46 PM
Agreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
really?
Really. If he was serious about head coaching then he should have found a way to do what every other head coach in this country has typically done and become an OC or DC for a few years to prove that he actually knows what he's doing and isn't just riding coattails. He hasn't done that so why should we believe that he's serious about taking over?
he was questioning your assumption that he doesn't want the job.
Post by: ChiComCat on July 21, 2017, 12:46:10 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 21, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
if I was Sean and was being groomed to be HCIW why the hell would I go anywhere elseAgreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
really?
Really. If he was serious about head coaching then he should have found a way to do what every other head coach in this country has typically done and become an OC or DC for a few years to prove that he actually knows what he's doing and isn't just riding coattails. He hasn't done that so why should we believe that he's serious about taking over?
Post by: Pete on July 21, 2017, 02:18:58 PM
if I was Sean and was being groomed to be HCIW why the hell would I go anywhere elseAgreed, if Sean wanted the HC job (and I don't think he does), he needed to go somewhere and be a defensive or offensive coordinator for a while.
really?
Really. If he was serious about head coaching then he should have found a way to do what every other head coach in this country has typically done and become an OC or DC for a few years to prove that he actually knows what he's doing and isn't just riding coattails. He hasn't done that so why should we believe that he's serious about taking over?
Yep. Sean is going to get the job.
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Post by: Belvis Noland on July 21, 2017, 04:10:37 PM
this is how it's going to work/is working right now.
Post by: manpow5 on July 21, 2017, 04:17:01 PM
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We'll be good this year. we were good last year. our recruiting has been pretty good the past few seasons. Invariably, we'll all start to hear more and more insider stories about how Bill wasn't even really coaching these last 2 seasons and it was basically all Sean behind the scenes running the show. And enough people will convince themselves that this means Sean is a good enough coach and recruiter to inherit the program.
this is how it's going to work/is working right now.
Would not be surprised in the least bit
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 21, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
We'll be good this year. we were good last year. our recruiting has been pretty good the past few seasons. Invariably, we'll all start to hear more and more insider stories about how Bill wasn't even really coaching these last 2 seasons and it was basically all Sean behind the scenes running the show. And enough people will convince themselves that this means Sean is a good enough coach and recruiter to inherit the program.
this is how it's going to work/is working right now.
Well, yeah. There were those stories in 2012.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 21, 2017, 11:11:11 PM
Do you guys not remember how terrible the last two years of Prince were despite the fact that he had an NFL caliber quarterback? Putting any rationale out there that he was fired for any other reason than completely sucking is ridiculous.
I don't disagree but the only major difference between 04-05 and 06-08 is that we traded a terrible offense for a terrible defense.