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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: quagmire on May 03, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
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Sutton tweeted out that he is transferring. Probably knew he wasn't going to get too much playing time with our receiving corps being as deep as it is. Doesn't hurt us too much for next year, but I think he could've been good eventually.
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That blows. Not too many true freshman play under snyder.
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i thought he was good and was looking forward to having a WR with dreads hanging out of the back of their helmet after Snyder retires :frown:
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Sucks to see him go, but he probably knew he was gonna get buried on the depth chart. None of the guys ahead of him are seniors this year, either. I agree he probably would have been good in a couple years, but if there was ever a time we could afford to lose a WR, this is it. Best of luck.
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Sucks, he could've been huge next year and 2019, but understand wanting to play now. If he was here two years ago he would have seen a ton of playing time, but is here during arguably the best core of WRs we've had in Bill Pt. 2
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#notmyguy #mouthbreather
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Any relation to Dominique?
WR's are a dime a dozen.
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via DJamer Wally:
"I'm not sure the depth chart had as much to do with this decision as failing to meet the expectations of the coach staff did, based on what I was told from a source.
This was a combination of a lot of things: Being in the dog house to some extent (doesn't sound like he was a regular there, but did struggle to meet expectations this offseason), which results in a drop on an already deep depth chart, all the while being far from home in North Carolina.
With the ability to utilize an unused redshirt without losing a year, I think signs were pointing towards this. Was more a matter of when than if he would leave from the sounds of things. I think Corey's a good kid and this isn't about a lack of character or morals with him. Some players just struggle to meet the demands."
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I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
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Sutton was really damn good. I consider him to be a pretty big loss, I know we are stacked at WR but I think this kid starts for most other Big12 schools.
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LACKS WORK ETHIC
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I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.
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I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.
I know, but a lot of schools restrict their players from going to schools on their schedule even knowing they wont play out of precaution of the player divulging signals, checks, and other insider information.
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I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.
I know, but a lot of schools restrict their players from going to schools on their schedule even knowing they wont play out of precaution of the player divulging signals, checks, and other insider information.
If we're worried about that with Charlotte we're in trouble
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FP, TC, Etc
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oh good, he doesn't lack morals, thanks DJamer dumbass
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That blows. Not too many true freshman play under snyder.
True. I liked his upside.
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He always seems like he is not enjoying the eff out of life. Hopefully he will now...
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https://twitter.com/coreysutton1997/status/870000885119635456
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https://twitter.com/coreysutton1997/status/870001778292436992
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What exactly could hold up a player from getting a release? I remember the big to-do with Leticia Romero and the women's basketball program a few years back, but I don't know much about how releases work.
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https://twitter.com/coreysutton1997/status/870002728566759425
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Sounds like the Currie hold overs are still running the department.
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gpc gems
I'm sure Jay Bilas will be chiding in soon on this.
I'm so glad I'm not involved in the world of twitter. It is the armpit of our collective conscience. Anyway, I think the little "100" after all his posts tell me all I need to know about him.
One word...Millennial.
Adversity tends to show our true character.
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I just noticed he has a really long face (not a joke about him looking sad)
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article153670459.html
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not a good look
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.
“Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him, that I was going to be there for four years. I heard that and told him, ‘Coaches can leave. So why can’t a player leave? You made a commitment to me that you were going to treat me the right way and that’s not what you’re doing.’ ”
“I don’t have enough money for that,” Sutton said. “(Snyder) is trying to treat me like I am his kid. Why is he treating a 19-year old like that and trying to change his life like that? I have never heard of anything like this before.”
“There are so many things messed up with that program,” Sutton said. “Why would I ever go back?”
“My position coach (Andre Coleman) told me if I graduated early from high school that I would come in and start as a freshman, because we didn’t have any receivers,” Sutton said. “Then I get here and we are deep at receiver. I don’t mind competition, but I told the coaches I only wanted to burn my redshirt if I was going to be involved with half the plays.
“They said that wouldn’t be a problem. They told me I was going to start and used me as a starter in practice. They promised me all this playing time. Then the game would start and my position coach would grab me and tell me to stay on the sidelines and that I’m not starting because Coach Snyder doesn’t want to play a freshman. I felt lied to.”
Sutton said he was also upset with coaches asking him to cut his dreadlocks and to wear certain clothes.
“There was a year and a half of events that led to me leaving. I committed to K-State because I thought it was going to be a great experience,” Sutton said. “But it wasn’t. It made me negative-minded about college. This wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment decision. I thought about it for months. I told my coaches I was depressed there. I told my coaches I had to go counseling there. They just don’t get it.”
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.
Well that was really rough ridin' stupid, Corey.
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https://twitter.com/BradEssex/status/870047770866012161
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article153670459.html
just another hatchet job from kellis hatchenette smdh
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not a good look
For which party
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not a good look
For which party
I don't care how it looks for Corey. I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre. For them it looks bad. It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.
This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
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A kid wanting to transfer should only have to finish the semester as to not eff the APR. After that they should be free to go.
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not a good look
For which party
I don't care how it looks for Corey. I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre. For them it looks bad. It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.
This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
Really? How do you fit that in between these coaches suck at recruiting and also do it too clean act everyone has here?
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I bet Kenn W and Wildcat Salute got some views on this
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.
“Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him, that I was going to be there for four years. I heard that and told him, ‘Coaches can leave. So why can’t a player leave? You made a commitment to me that you were going to treat me the right way and that’s not what you’re doing.’ ”
“I don’t have enough money for that,” Sutton said. “(Snyder) is trying to treat me like I am his kid. Why is he treating a 19-year old like that and trying to change his life like that? I have never heard of anything like this before.”
“There are so many things messed up with that program,” Sutton said. “Why would I ever go back?”
“My position coach (Andre Coleman) told me if I graduated early from high school that I would come in and start as a freshman, because we didn’t have any receivers,” Sutton said. “Then I get here and we are deep at receiver. I don’t mind competition, but I told the coaches I only wanted to burn my redshirt if I was going to be involved with half the plays.
“They said that wouldn’t be a problem. They told me I was going to start and used me as a starter in practice. They promised me all this playing time. Then the game would start and my position coach would grab me and tell me to stay on the sidelines and that I’m not starting because Coach Snyder doesn’t want to play a freshman. I felt lied to.”
Sutton said he was also upset with coaches asking him to cut his dreadlocks and to wear certain clothes.
“There was a year and a half of events that led to me leaving. I committed to K-State because I thought it was going to be a great experience,” Sutton said. “But it wasn’t. It made me negative-minded about college. This wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment decision. I thought about it for months. I told my coaches I was depressed there. I told my coaches I had to go counseling there. They just don’t get it.”
confirmed fp, tc, etc
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I believe in the APR theory. I'm tucking my shirt in and am on #TeamKSU until further developments arise.
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i'm #teamsutton on the dreadlocks, let them babies flow
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not a good look
For which party
I don't care how it looks for Corey. I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre. For them it looks bad. It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.
This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
I agree that this does not look good for K-State recruitment wise. Hindering a kid from transferring and moving on with his life once they find out K-State is not going to be a good fit, could potentially impact future commitments.
Whether he should be released is questionable since obviously we don't know the whole story. If Sutton was told he would be released at the end of the semester to not affect the APR rating, yet decided to drop his classes anyhow then so be it. He only showed his immaturity. In the meantime as a fan, we can do just as much damage by bashing the kid on social media. I say let this one play out.
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not a good look
For which party
I don't care how it looks for Corey. I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre. For them it looks bad. It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.
This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
Not sure about the last statement, but I agree that this does not look good for K-State. It's hard enough to recruit to Manhattan. Hindering someone moving on with their lives once they find out K-State is not going to be a good fit could potentially impact a kid's decision to commit.
Yet on the other hand this makes no sense. I will wait to hear the other side.
I haven't been impressed with Andre for a lot of reasons. After sitting on the east side a couple years, I can see how the players interact with him. After every bad play he makes the exact same "come on man" face while holding his head set in 1 hand and making a fist, bending his arm across his stomach with his other hand. The players completely ignore him coming off the field.
Also, who has gotten better under him? The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better. He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot.
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Also, who has gotten better under him? The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better. He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot.
lockett and sexton come to mind.
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Also, who has gotten better under him? The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better. He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot.
lockett and sexton come to mind.
They were both juniors by the time he got here. I'll give him some credit for them, but he hasn't developed anyone on his own.
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Between this:
The 2014 season proved to be the best year for Wildcat wide receivers in school history as the 1-2 punch of All-American Tyler Lockett and All-Big 12 performer Curry Sexton became the first duo in school history to go over 1,000 yards in the same season and were the top receiving duo in the nation during that season.
And finding Pringle and Strickland, I think i'll let him stick around.
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Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him
Makes me wonder how long Snyders divorce took
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I won't likely take a one sided article with only quotes from a 19 year old kid as gospel. However, I don't know why KSU handles this things so poorly. Let him go...who cares?
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This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
Yes, let's bash the best recruiter on our staff for using a tactic on a talented high school WR, insinuating that he could play as a Freshman if he worked hard.
We weren't very deep or experienced at WR during the preseason. Fact.
Ever imagine that Sutton wasn't as talented as originally thought? Also, there were also rumors of him being in the doghouse.
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I mean, I think it's pretty obvious (barring injury) he's not going to get a ton of snaps over the next 2 seasons. Good for WR depth, but he's just not as talented as the guys in front of him.
So move on, but I'd consider keeping yourself in good academic standing before saying stupid crap about it all. If that's the issue anyway. (his mother says he had a 3.0 spring semester, and it was his summer classes "he dropped" in that quote, so maybe it's not)
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Sutton called Kellis back and Kellis updated his story. He finished the spring with a 3.0 & dropped his summer classes.
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not a good look
For which party
k-state
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Sutton called Kellis back and Kellis updated his story. He finished the spring with a 3.0 & dropped his summer classes.
If that's true, wtf KSU Cats!
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I think some people upset at Corey are handling their catdom incorrectly.
I always hate the thought behind phrases like "once a wildcat, always a wildcat." no! that's not true. mark mangino was a wildcat once. was he in 2004? I think you know the answer to that.
being a cat isn't a "blood in blood out" enterprise. it's an affirmative decision we make every single day. today, I will EMAW. maybe i'll stop EMAW'ing tomorrow, but not today.
if this Sutton fellow isn't a wildcat, he's not a wildcat, and we shouldn't force him to be because that, friends, is impossible.
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Guys, tons of kids get homesick and depressed their freshman year. Our ad/coaches probably pull this scheme multiple times a year and 9 times out of 10 the player sticks around and finds their groove their second year and we never hear another word about it.
Unfortunately it seems like maybe we hold on too long sometimes too. Sutton should obviously get his release, but I really don't have a problem with our coaches giving a little pushback too.
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This is and always will be a simple freaking decision: Let the kid go. So completely stupid to not release him. It looks terrible on the school and makes future recruits concerned about how they will be treated.
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Guys, tons of kids get homesick and depressed their freshman year. Our ad/coaches probably pull this scheme multiple times a year and 9 times out of 10 the player sticks around and finds their groove their second year and we never hear another word about it.
Unfortunately it seems like maybe we hold on too long sometimes too. Sutton should obviously get his release, but I really don't have a problem with our coaches giving a little pushback too.
me and lib are just on the same page like all the time
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Yep
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With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.
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Assuming this guy is eventually allowed to transfer or whatever and doesn't get mumped on the timing of it all, this is hilarious to be happening again.
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Where does he want to xfer?
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With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.
Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.
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yeah i don't really get it. the "best" result from k-state's point of view is that a kid who hates you now decides to stick around and play for you even though he will still hate the crap out of you and only make the team worse.
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Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.
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What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.
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Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.
for about a day
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What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.
His mom says he had a 3.0, then says he never had worse than a C. Now I know he could have an A for each of those C's, but how amaze would it be if they didn't know how to calculate GPA and thought a C average was a 3.0? Much like time zones, GPA calculating can be confusing.
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I don't care about this.
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All the tweets are deleted now.
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With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.
Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.
Sean is a gigantic dick about rules and regulations, hair length being one of them. Is it safe to say most of this is on Sean?
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With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.
Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.
Sean is a gigantic dick about rules and regulations, hair length being one of them. Is it safe to say most of this is on Sean?
No, Cory is saying it's Bill, and he would probably know better than anyone.
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What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.
His mom says he had a 3.0, then says he never had worse than a C. Now I know he could have an A for each of those C's, but how amaze would it be if they didn't know how to calculate GPA and thought a C average was a 3.0? Much like time zones, GPA calculating can be confusing.
Calculating GPA is about as weird & difficult to understand as how knees and ankles work, which is pretty damn complicated & confusing.
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Some gems:
KSU football is literally on the edge of implosion. A senile old man with cancer who is on his way out as their coach but, the University won't move on because of his past achievements. The longer they keep propping his corpse up on the sideline the more he will inadvertently tarnish his own legacy. Use this opportunity with his current health for Old Balls to be shown the door with some grace, otherwise things won't be as rosey when he finally goes.
And the second comment to the article is from his uncle:
If I can speak freely as a concerned uncle, my family have all witnessed what has happened with Corey over the past year and a half. From what this experience intially meant to him and where he has found himself since making that committment to and spending the past year and a half at Kansas State.
What bothers me personally is that I see a young man who committed to, and threw his all behind that committment, only to discover that the "idea" of family that LHC Bill Snyder and the staff promote isn't family at all. That idea of family seems to have been lost within a dictator mentality because of how one man wants everyone to conform to his standards. Therefore, something as benign as the way someone wears their hair or what color of shoes and socks they walk around the building wearing, becomes a distraction. Not for the players, but for a man who has grown accustomed to getting his way.
It appears that Bill Synder speaks FOR the college and that there is little to no questioning his assumed authority over it all. It should not be that way. The doors should always remain open for students and student athlete's alike to speak for themselves, and to speak up for themselves.
I would like to ask LHC Bill Snyder, where is that idea of family? Did it get lost somewhere simply because a long tenured and successful coach within the schools history has his name plastered on the side of a stadium wall? Has his pride given him that dictator mentality to where he feels it is his place to coach up conformity, as opposed to embracing and encouraging individuality?
Beyond their capabilities on the football field, I believe there is little committment made towards knowing who these young men are. Therefore little to no understanding of what their backgrounds are, what their future aspirations may be, or in Corey's case, where his sense of well being is.
When I hear that my nephew has been going to counseling and I learn of a decision like the one that was made final today, that "idea" of family is no longer present when the care and concern for another human being is no longer acknowledged.
Perhaps there's rumors floating around SheepTown that they'll be playing for a different coach this fall???
I would send this out to every recruit in the midwest.
The purple board isn't taking it too well. A player speaks poorly of their "family" and they are all on board for ruining the dude's career. The KSU fanbase isn't full of kansas' best and brightest. Looks like one of them had to come over here and one star everything here to make them feel better. You think they would learn after the negative press they got for blocking Leti's transfer. At least they had a halfway decent reason for that.
Weird how it was OK for Chris Harper to transfer to KSU, but Sutton can't transfer out of KSU.
Old Balls did grow up in Missouri, during slavery...
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Some gems:
And the second comment to the article is from his uncle:
If I can speak freely as a concerned uncle, my family have all witnessed what has happened with Corey over the past year and a half. From what this experience intially meant to him and where he has found himself since making that committment to and spending the past year and a half at Kansas State.
What bothers me personally is that I see a young man who committed to, and threw his all behind that committment, only to discover that the "idea" of family that LHC LHC Bill Snyder and the staff promote isn't family at all. That idea of family seems to have been lost within a dictator mentality because of how one man wants everyone to conform to his standards. Therefore, something as benign as the way someone wears their hair or what color of shoes and socks they walk around the building wearing, becomes a distraction. Not for the players, but for a man who has grown accustomed to getting his way.
It appears that Bill Synder speaks FOR the college and that there is little to no questioning his assumed authority over it all. It should not be that way. The doors should always remain open for students and student athlete's alike to speak for themselves, and to speak up for themselves.
I would like to ask LHC LHC Bill Snyder, where is that idea of family? Did it get lost somewhere simply because a long tenured and successful coach within the schools history has his name plastered on the side of a stadium wall? Has his pride given him that dictator mentality to where he feels it is his place to coach up conformity, as opposed to embracing and encouraging individuality?
Beyond their capabilities on the football field, I believe there is little committment made towards knowing who these young men are. Therefore little to no understanding of what their backgrounds are, what their future aspirations may be, or in Corey's case, where his sense of well being is.
When I hear that my nephew has been going to counseling and I learn of a decision like the one that was made final today, that "idea" of family is no longer present when the care and concern for another human being is no longer acknowledged.
I bet if it was Saban instead of Snyder, people would do a 180.
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i mean there's really no reason for him to be mad about the hair and dress code, unless he didn't take a visit or talk to anyone that played at k-state before coming
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules. All 35 denied.
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules. All 35 denied.
Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules. All 35 denied.
allegedly including some FCS and Division II schools.
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules. All 35 denied.
Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
also, he'd have to sit out a year if he went to charlotte.
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What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules. All 35 denied.
Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
also, he'd have to sit out a year if he went to charlotte.
But could tell them lots of things...its not the playing against that stops them from being allowed to transfer directly to a future opponent.
He can go D2 and play for whoever we wants in a year as well.
Also I'm hearing there will be a Snyder interview at 4 pm.
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You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
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This is getting really ugly. https://twitter.com/YahooDrSaturday/status/870321296143462400
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https://twitter.com/YahooDrSaturday/status/870367158261493761
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:facepalm:
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At times like these, it always amuses me to see that KSU teaches a whole series of courses on PR.
http://catalog.k-state.edu/search_advanced.php?cur_cat_oid=13&search_database=Search&search_db=Search&cpage=1&ecpage=1&ppage=1&spage=1&tpage=1&location=3&filter%5Bkeyword%5D=public+relations&filter%5Bexact_match%5D=1
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You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
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You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
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I hope they talk about this on my fave 3 espn shows today.
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You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
Cam went Juco after Florida. That's usually how most transfer back into the FBS.
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Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.
for about a day
Agreed. The world is a really crazy damn place. Other crap will take over the spotlight, fast.
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You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
Cam went Juco after Florida. That's usually how most transfer back into the FBS.
My point was dipping out and coming back to the same conference.
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Dammit, Bill. :facepalm:
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didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?
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didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?
It would be nice if we could change athletic dept. policy when we get a new AD, but I guess we just can't.
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didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?
It would be nice if we could change athletic dept. policy when we get a new AD, but I guess we just can't.
like Gene Gene the Dancing Machine is actually doing anything...
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Does the NCAA still do the calculation of academic standing of scholarship kids, and if numbers are not maintained, they can hammer the number of scholarships/signees you can have?
If so, and his academic standing was screwed up, I could see why things would be at issue with the admin and staff. If you plan to leave, at least leave your academic house in order so you aren't hurting those you leave behind of the program. If you don't do your end, we won't do ours.
Just a stab in the dark. IDK what is going on, but I will hazard a guess..
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https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/870408391843348480
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Kid should have just smoked some weed to get around Bill's pious bullshit.
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Ugh. Here we are again. :frown:
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https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/870406120954900480
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https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/870273475272945664
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I can see bill acquiescing to the media's demands post haste.
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Marcus Raines, tho
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jay bilas lacks so many intrinsic values i don't even know where to begin
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Self limitations prolly too. Bet he took a pay cut to stay at ESPN.
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Marcus Raines, tho
"I think it's just, 'What are the values of our program and how does this fit?' " Snyder says. "I've always been a coach who has said, 'You'll get a second chance,' but somewhere you have to draw the line."
The line is drawn at Marcus Raines.
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https://twitter.com/wingoz/status/870419842708496384
https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/870410855078215680
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:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:
https://twitter.com/ChrisDokish/status/870399814751576065
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Thank goodness they already did the hall of fame vote.
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They named a highway after Bill. Not an exit ramp. These millennials, man.
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kids don't get their way, they immediately throw a fit or call kellis robinette, in this case both
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this kid will be sending bill a diagonal thank you note within the week
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:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:
https://twitter.com/ChrisDokish/status/870399814751576065
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like LHC Bill Snyder gives 2 fucks what Pitt does
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https://twitter.com/Cassidy_Rob/status/870462166830374913
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https://twitter.com/CBSSportsDesk/status/870453155221430272
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Some gems:
Old Balls did grow up in Missouri, during slavery...
I'm not going to lie, that's pretty funny. lol
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Embarrassing. Is this enough to get bill fired? Would love to see what leavitt could do with this years squad.
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Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.
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Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.
Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
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Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.
Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
Pretty much, I laughed pretty hard. Kid should have made sure his house was clean before spouting off.
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Sports writers are very pius about the commitment release thing.
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I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?
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I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?
Yeah, I think that is going to hurt us. FERPA!
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like LHC Bill Snyder gives 2 fucks what Pitt does
Nobody does. Dokish!
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He called Kellis a yokel. :lol:
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I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?
No Frank bites us again. If he was still around, he could've taught Bill how to talk about all this stuff.
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He called Kellis a yokel. :lol:
It was beautiful
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A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
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A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
One of you wizards needs to right now make a Bill diagonal purple note breaking down exactly who's failed how many drug tests.
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Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.
Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
Pretty much, I laughed pretty hard. Kid should have made sure his house was clean before spouting off.
None of that crap should have any bearing on a release, it actually makes the case for a release stronger. It was an incredibly defensive and frankly stupid and nonsensical monologue. This is going to make this situation worse. He wants a release so you disclose he failed drug tests so this is why you won't give a release? WTF?
This is just as bad as the Marcus Raines thing but probably not as bad as he treated Ell after his eligibility was competed. I wish this dude wasn't deified as much as he is; guy is just a regular ass dude.
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I don't think it should have any baring (bearing?) either. I found it funny in a way like someone mouthing off and being soundly rebuffed.
It happens to me all the time. It happens to a lot of people. I can find humor in it.
Im team release. Have been this whole time. He wants to leave, let him go.
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FERPA, HIPPA what's up next on LHC Bill Snyder's "eff the Feds" rampage?
Stay tuned.
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I think Bill is genuinely concerned about the well being of this youngster, and believes it's best for him to stay in the program and receive the mentorship and guidance that only Corey's FAMILY can provide. Some may call it tough love, but it's love nonetheless.
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FERPA, HIPPA what's up next on LHC Bill Snyder's "eff the Feds" rampage?
Stay tuned.
:lol:
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What many don't appreciate about this situation is that it isn't just about Sutton. Snyder is thinking long term and which policy is best for team going forward. By not granting release, you discourage this request in the future. It's smart.
Unfair to Sutton? I don't think so. Now if Snyder were cutting guys' scholarships simply because they sucked, then I would say "yes this is a double standard." But he treats this as a four year commitment....and expects the players to do so, too.
The argument about coaches being able to leave is irrelevant. Their contract is with the school....and when they break it they have to pay. And, in any event, that argument is even more ridiculous when talking about Snyder, since he has stayed at KState 25 years.
I would've had more sympathy for Sutton if he didn't play the "slavemaster" card and the "they promised my starting." He could've looked on the depth chart to see he wasn't a starter. He comes off like a someone who makes me uncomfortable....it obviously pissed Snyder off as well.
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My thoughts: this is not ok
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A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.
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A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.
he didn't tell everyone sutton failed the test, he implied it; which it could be argued is worse than actually fingering sutton for the failed test.
regardless, these situations get so dirty that they're best just avoided. no one wins.
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jfc, Steffy
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for Snyder to stand there and say, with a straight face, that he's never allowed a player with two failed drug tests to stay on the team, before Sutton, is laughable. i am confused by this whole situation.
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How many did Brod fail?
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The whole flip side to the no transfer policy is that Bill will honor the scholarship of anyone regardless, it is guaranteed whether they can play or not. This is a positive in pitching A KID WHO MIGHT NT BE GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY.
I am sure the try hards from Hosington will appreciate 4 years on the KSU dime when they realize they will never see the field.
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i really thought Snyder2.0 was a little softer.
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intrinsic values don't get soft over time
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has anyone on gopowercat or wildcat salute said anything about Michael smith once wanting to transfer. :crossfingers: I'm really hoping so
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He called Kellis a yokel. :lol:
It was beautiful
the best part of this ordeal to date.
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Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce. College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees. In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship.
When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity. If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players. Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.
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They are going to release Sutton eventually. I don't know why they want to look as bad as possible in the process.
Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce. College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees. In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship.
When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity. If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players. Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.
Almost as stupid as Steffy's take
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Oh FFS, there's a moment when (and it's very early) when you're beyond this "teachable moment" bullshit, and you move on.
You don't bury yourself in a PR quagmire where with every flap of your jaw you make yourself out to look like a complete hypocrite and idiot.
No one should be surprised that the Snyder Above K-State crowd is having this reaction so they toss BS around like "commitment" and "teachable moment".
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K-State really takes the, "any Publicity is good publicity," thing to the next level it seems.
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it's like some of you think you know what's best for our program more than The Legend himself.
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They are going to release Sutton eventually. I don't know why they want to look as bad as possible in the process.
Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce. College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees. In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship.
When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity. If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players. Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.
Almost as stupid as Steffy's take
Not a take, it's how programs are run.
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The "how the real world works" take is the rough ridin' worst. In the real world they fire you and both move on. The closest thing might be a non-compete, but if you want to apply that, it would hold no water here, especially with FCS & D2 schools who K-State will never compete with.
The real world is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. People eff up in non-criminal ways all the time and get multiple chances without BS punitive crap like this.
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The real world at work: K-State gets thrashed on social media, the front page of ESPN now, and certainly by other coaches recruiting players you want. Neither K-State nor Sutton benefit from this "tough love" which, in the real world, is actually the petty bullshit of a guy getting paid 3 mil a year holding someone's college education hostage.
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I'm not sure I got them all but I love this guy
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Double V for president!
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A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.
I'm hoping the quote was just poorly timed/taken out of context. I could obviously be wrong, but that's just how it sounded to me when I re-watched the video. If he indeed was talking about a player other than Sutton, I hope he clarifies that publicly very soon.
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out of curiosity, was this big of a fit thrown when Bryce wasn't released? national coverage and all of that?
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out of curiosity, was this big of a fit thrown when Bryce wasn't released? national coverage and all of that?
It was a different deal with the coaching change but I would say no. UTenn basically said they would release Bryce when he met with Derek Dooley iirc
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IDNGAF about this one way or the other.
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Stuff like this really brings out the worst in our tuck fanbase
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Just got his release.
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Jesus. Way to make yourself look like a shithead for no reason, Bill.
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not a luke just posting the tweet
https://twitter.com/coreysutton1997/status/870709450012676100
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Well at least we can move forward now and he can go be irrelevant somewhere else. We can move on with our lives :buh-bye:
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https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/870718092736774145
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don't back pedal snyds !
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BEND BUT DONT BREAK SNYDS!
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That was a rough 48 hours. I'm glad I can move on with my life.
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Sutton is a moron.
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https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/870273475272945664
Extracurricular activities.
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Jay Bilas, trying his best to stay relevant...SAD!!!
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What a rough ridin' moron, both bill and corey.
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Can't wait until next year when we do the same thing all over again!
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Silver lining: maybe this whole charade means taylor wont be a pussy when it comes to letting bill hire a new coach cuz hes a dumbass.
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There's not a person posting in this thread who didn't know how this would eventually be "resolved."
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Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.
for about a day
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Former players going in on Chris Harper's Facebook post(s). Can't seem to link it (from mobile at least)...
Bryce Brown, Gabe Crews, Attrail Snipes, Robert Rose, Shaun Simon, Gary Chandler, Chaq Reed, Arrison Davis, Ralph Guidry, Allen Chapman, Daniel Sams... :(
Obviously most of those names didn't have the best go-rounds during their times at K-State but it sucks to see. I'm sure every program has their ex-players that has had bad experiences, as well. These guys clearly did not like the behind the scenes stuff they had to deal with under Snyder.
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Players hate coaches. Especially players whose careers didn't go as they envisioned. Not unique to K-State or LHC Bill Snyder or college football.
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It's easy to find the negatives when you don't shine. If any of those players were a success in the NFL, they wouldn't say any of that.
Tucking my shirt in
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Former players going in on Chris Harper's Facebook post(s). Can't seem to link it (from mobile at least)...
Bryce Brown, Gabe Crews, Attrail Snipes, Robert Rose, Shaun Simon, Gary Chandler, Chaq Reed, Arrison Davis, Ralph Guidry, Allen Chapman, Daniel Sams... :(
Obviously most of those names didn't have the best go-rounds during their times at K-State but it sucks to see. I'm sure every program has their ex-players that has had bad experiences, as well. These guys clearly did not like the behind the scenes stuff they had to deal with under Snyder.
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Damn, reading those comments is fascinating. So many names I had forgotten about. Brian Butler even makes an appearance. Bryce Brown was not a fan of squats. A lot of stuff about Snyder being reluctant to share film with scouts which seems weird to me.
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Olds make weird decisions, look at the potus
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Is there a P5 AD in this country more obsessed with a college kid smoking some weed? Our olds are rough ridin' obsessed with it.
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Sutton is a moron.
Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
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Players hate coaches. Especially players whose careers didn't go as they envisioned. Not unique to K-State or LHC Bill Snyder or college football.
So you didn't read the comments. If what Attrail Snipes said is true I wouldn't trust my kid with Snyder. I guess anyone paying attention knows the history of Snyder screwing over players after they have exhausted their usefulness to him.
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Well he also has a staff made up of former players so not always
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Well he also has a staff made up of former players so not always
Still useful to him
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If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.
Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.
If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.
I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.
The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.
If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.
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If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.
Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.
If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.
I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.
The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.
If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.
dude you can't just "write an article for a paper" blasting a revered public figure such as Snyder. I mean, Jordy Nelson could probably get away with it but no other former KSU player would be taken seriously.
It's a complicated situation for the players with a lot of risk speaking out, but they are in no way in the wrong and expecting them to know Snyder was an bad person who can't relate to them is total bullshit.
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How did Sutton get articles written for him?
It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.
Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.
What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?
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If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.
Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.
If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.
I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.
The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.
If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.
dude you can't just "write an article for a paper" blasting a revered public figure such as Snyder. I mean, Jordy Nelson could probably get away with it but no other former KSU player would be taken seriously.
It's a complicated situation for the players with a lot of risk speaking out, but they are in no way in the wrong and expecting them to know Snyder was an bad person who can't relate to them is total bullshit.
no kidding, mich. "oh, yes, shaun robinson? would you like to publish an article in our highly esteemed and well-circulated venue wherein you blast your former head coach and current hof'er, lhc LHC Bill Snyder? no problem. just let us know when you would like it pub'd."
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It's okay when the romantic notions about K-State football and Coach Snyder get knocked down a little bit. This happens when humans are involved.
I still love K-State football.
And boy, Frank loves him some LHC Bill Snyder.
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It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....
For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.
I just think they should try to do something about it.
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You're right guys. Bitching on Facebook about grave injustices you suffered is the right course of action. We have a whole thread dedicated to such things. Thanks for the fodder, ex Cats.
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Carry on, gents.
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It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....
For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.
I just think they should try to do something about it.
There is nothing to do. The ones that didn't like it enough and had options left. I've heard plenty myself and I think it's just part of the inner workings of all college football programs. For many and I'd even say most playing high level college football has tons of benefits, but there are going to be guys that don't fit. I think the coaches for the most part are about developing guys as people, but ultimately they have to win and compete; some players are going to get lost in the shuffle in that process. Also, many of those guys have great memories of competing with teammates and most have great relationships with their position coaches and coordinators.
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How did Sutton get articles written for him?
It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.
Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.
What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?
"Ride the wave"? The dude just wanted to be able to use his football skills to pay for his education closer to home. H
Your beef with the former players is stupid. None of them are claiming "grave injustices" or claiming BSFS is a "regular plantation", they're just saying Snyder isn't a saint and has done some mumped up things. He should let players transfer, shouldn't share drug test info to make it more difficult for the player to transfer, and he should work better with NFL scouts. Facebook is an appropriate medium to discuss that.
I'm also sure many would acknowledge that Snyder did them a lot of good and could continue to help them in the future and also had an overall positive experience at KSU, and therefore don't need to rough ridin' alert the press because they didn't have a QB at their pro day 6 years ago.
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How did Sutton get articles written for him?
It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.
Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.
What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?
"Ride the wave"? The dude just wanted to be able to use his football skills to pay for his education closer to home. H
Your beef with the former players is stupid. None of them are claiming "grave injustices" or claiming BSFS is a "regular plantation", they're just saying Snyder isn't a saint and has done some mumped up things. He should let players transfer, shouldn't share drug test info to make it more difficult for the player to transfer, and he should work better with NFL scouts. Facebook is an appropriate medium to discuss that.
I'm also sure many would acknowledge that Snyder did them a lot of good and could continue to help them in the future and also had an overall positive experience at KSU, and therefore don't need to rough ridin' alert the press because they didn't have a QB at their pro day 6 years ago.
Yes, this isn't hard.
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we have a strong history of shooting our own dicks off when not offering players a release
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Of all athletes, football players are the laziest and dumbest. Anyone who played sports in high school (ftr: soccer is not a sport) can attest to this.
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“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”
EMAW. - Jordan Willis
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html
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“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”
EMAW. - Jordan Willis
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html
:billdance:
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“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”
EMAW. - Jordan Willis
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html
That's all good, but it has nothing to do with what's been going on the last few days. The issue is, if it's designed to weed players how, what's the point of continuing to punish them on their way out by not releasing them? It appears the current policy is designed to do the exact opposite of weeding out.
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Gotta think the "weed" reference was only used at Snyder's direction to remind the family about the drug test thing again.
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Stop doing illegal crap. Snyds just wants to make sure you turn out to be a fine youngster. I know MIR likes to talk massa stuff, but his whole LB'ing core got into the snow in 2003/4 and he kicked their ass and kept it under wraps. They just decided not to transfer, because he was making sure it didn't get out. I'm sure he feels cheated for giving the kid a chance and then him rough ridin' him. Ho hum, snyders a giant prick slave master!
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I think Snyds calling out the drugs is irl illegal as well (or against some rules of some kind anyway). And Snyds only wants to win football games and get Sean his job. That's about 100% of what he wants.
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And I also 100% only want the first part of that as well so I love Bill obv
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I think Snyds calling out the drugs is irl illegal as well (or against some rules of some kind anyway). And Snyds only wants to win football games and get Sean his job. That's about 100% of what he wants.
DOD Snyder would have never said anything to the media besides "I do what I want with my program."
And I love Snyder too. A lot.
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I think those things too SD. I don't think he's a total monster tho. Not sure why ppl are trying to make it a race thing, because Sutton used the slave thing. I won't reveal names, but I know white KS boys who had it way worse from Snyder vs Sutton. He just doesn't like it when you break the law and feels like he's their parent when they leave home. :dunno: I guess they rather have a Nick Saban who doesn't gaf, but they're not good enough to play for him. Snyder is already doing them a favor.
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https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/corey-sutton-2638
We're the only P5 offer he received and he's trying to crap on the program. I get his point, but.... "You're welcome, crap head!"-Snyder
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wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
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If Snyder felt he was doing the right thing from the outset, it's unethical of him to do the wrong thing and release the dude only because he was taking some heat for it. Gotta stand up for your principles.
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Bill has shown on multiple occasions that he is a pos human being and I'm getting tired of it tbh. He isn't a good enough coach to openly parade the fact that he is a piece of crap.
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wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
Usually when you're a TP and get beat out so you blame the program for your failure. Nobody knew he was a POS behind the scenes (sutton). Stop breaking the law! Bill has released a lot of trouble makers, but he's also been really good at keeping crap in house. He's old school and doesn't release the reasons why, but today's age of social media is forcing him to defend himself. I don't blame him. He's sick of getting crap on without defending himself.
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I actually love a loose Bill, as all of you should. It's amazing and I want more! :love:
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wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
Usually when you're a TP and get beat out so you blame the program for your failure. Nobody knew he was a POS behind the scenes (sutton). Stop breaking the law! Bill has released a lot of trouble makers, but he's also been really good at keeping crap in house. He's old school and doesn't release the reasons why, but today's age of social media is forcing him to defend himself. I don't blame him. He's sick of getting crap on without defending himself.
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:lol: Carnes!
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It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....
For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.
I just think they should try to do something about it.
There is nothing to do. The ones that didn't like it enough and had options left. I've heard plenty myself and I think it's just part of the inner workings of all college football programs. For many and I'd even say most playing high level college football has tons of benefits, but there are going to be guys that don't fit. I think the coaches for the most part are about developing guys as people, but ultimately they have to win and compete; some players are going to get lost in the shuffle in that process. Also, many of those guys have great memories of competing with teammates and most have great relationships with their position coaches and coordinators.
Exactly, they aren't torching Snyder because they, for the most part, enjoyed their time here. They loved their teammates and the coaches. Bryce is the only one that seems like he pretty much hated everything.
It's hard for a lot of fans to understand but to the players, Kansas State Football is a whole hell of a lot more than LHC Bill Snyder.
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Stop doing illegal crap. Snyds just wants to make sure you turn out to be a fine youngster. I know MIR likes to talk massa stuff, but his whole LB'ing core got into the snow in 2003/4 and he kicked their ass and kept it under wraps. They just decided not to transfer, because he was making sure it didn't get out. I'm sure he feels cheated for giving the kid a chance and then him rough ridin' him. Ho hum, snyders a giant prick slave master!
What?
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As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyds. Regardless, I will always be #TeamSnyds
Gtfo prima donna
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https://twitter.com/coachdrecoleman/status/870794176769671168
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https://twitter.com/coachdrecoleman/status/870794176769671168
Not much funnier than a 40+ year old feeling like they need to sub-tweet a 19 year old who was once part of your fake #family.
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https://twitter.com/coachdrecoleman/status/870793674786979840
https://twitter.com/coachdrecoleman/status/871240096665686016
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:lol:
Someone with common sense at KSU: "JFC, give the kid the release, send out a stupid statement and get this behind us."
Andre: "Nope!"
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:lol:
Someone with common sense at KSU: "JFC, give the kid the release, send out a stupid release and get this behind us."
Andre: "Nope!"
I must tweet out quotes that 23 year old new teachers put in their email signatures.
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Sutton is a moron.
Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
oh good grief MIR.
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Andre Coleman is a moron. Big one.
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holy crap that is embarrassing :lol:
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Kenn Wealand Coleman
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Meh.
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I'm glad he got his release, other than that I can't really get worked up at all about any of this
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As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...
Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.
Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
oh good grief MIR.
You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.
Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.
CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
happens multiple times a year
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
Kietzman suggested that Currie forced Snyder to grant releases.
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Allan Evridge!
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
happens multiple times a year
So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?
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Allan Evridge!
That was Prince, Evridge played in '05.
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crap! That was the only one I could think of.
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
happens multiple times a year
So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?
Yes that seems likely
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
happens multiple times a year
So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?
Yes that seems likely
Or is it more likely that you're assuming that these dudes who are transferring are actually getting releases? You know they aren't the same thing, right?
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Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
happens multiple times a year
So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?
Yes that seems likely
Or is it more likely that you're assuming that these dudes who are transferring are actually getting releases? You know they aren't the same thing, right?
Rusty asked if many transfers happen from KSU, not how many players are released to transfer freely to the college of their choosing. If he was asking how many instances are similar to corey's then I wouldn't know the answer.
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I am wondering who has transferred from KSU without restriction to other FBS schools. I really can't think of anyone.
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Lol, I am enjoying all the comparisons to Nick Saban. Sure that guy is an ass, yeah he called one guy a quitter. But that's not implying that a kid failed 2 drug tests.
I think Saban cares more about his guys than people think.
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Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.
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Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.
Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.
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Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.
Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.
Hockey? I just found out a couple weeks ago that what I thought were the local minor league professional (?) hockey teams had 16-year-olds playing on it. Maybe those kids aren't getting paid, but that would surprise me given the way it's marketed. It's the "western hockey league" if you need to see what I'm talking about.
Maybe I'm wrong, but football and basketball seem to be the only ones force kids into college, and thus into all those ridiculous rule systems. Baseball'rs are only forced to stay in if they choose to go in. I know basketball'rs as of late can go play in china or whatever instead of doing a fall semester at a college.
If you play golf or tennis or you ski or swim or whatever of that ilk, do whatever you want.
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Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.
Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.
Hockey? I just found out a couple weeks ago that what I thought were the local minor league professional (?) hockey teams had 16-year-olds playing on it. Maybe those kids aren't getting paid, but that would surprise me given the way it's marketed. It's the "western hockey league" if you need to see what I'm talking about.
Maybe I'm wrong, but football and basketball seem to be the only ones force kids into college, and thus into all those ridiculous rule systems. Baseball'rs are only forced to stay in if they choose to go in. I know basketball'rs as of late can go play in china or whatever instead of doing a fall semester at a college.
If you play golf or tennis or you ski or swim or whatever of that ilk, do whatever you want.
High school basketball players absolutely can go play in another league other than the NBA then get drafted. You have to be 18 to be eligible for the NHL draft, 20 if you're not a North American. The kid who will win what is their version of the rookie of the year played in Switzerland in 15-16 as a 17 year old. Those kids are playing what's called major junior hockey and in most cases aren't NHL eligible.
The NFL has no competing league anywhere in the world, hockey has non NHL leagues willing to pay kids a couple of dollars all over the world. An 18 year old can become a millionaire playing basketball anywhere he wants to, other than the NBA. You and your fellow NFL fans should point the finger right at your league and the government that has legislated the monopoly.
Of course tennis and golf have no real bearing on this conversation given they are individual sports, but it's worth noting the major leagues in those sports also have minimum entry requirements as well.
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That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds. Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey. Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts. There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year. In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
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Personally, I've heard the 'darker' tales of what occured/occurs under Snyder in Vanier behind closed doors. The problem our fans have with dealing with it or believing it is we have propped Snyder up to Sainthood status who does nothing remotely wrong or questionable to his players, nor does he always treat his players fairly. The ongoing dialogue on Chris Harpers fb wall isn't surprising or really all that concerning to me. Snyder can be a raging Dick to his players and despite the public image, reallu isn't much different than any other succesful ball coach. It is what it is. I've also heard plent of positive impressions and good stories from players about their time under Snyder. But no he's not a friendly grandpa figure that always treats his kids right or does the right thing.
But again, i don't think how he truly runs his program is really that much different than most others in some regards.
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That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds. Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey. Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts. There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year. In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
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That's pretty much the impression I had. So I'd say hockey is closer to baseball as far as a path around college and to getting paid for services. Basketball's starting to have more options, but with most being overseas, something that probably doesn't feel like a realistic option to many. I'd say football is worst, with basketball a level not as bad, and everything else way easier for prospects to avoid being forced playing for free in college if they don't want to.
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Lamark wasn't granted a release until going before review board.
Sutton was being a dick
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Lamark wasn't granted a release until going before review board.
Sutton was being a dick
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Sutton had already gone before the review board.
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Oh, I misread
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I am :lol: at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.
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I am :lol: at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.
Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..
Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole
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That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds. Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey. Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts. There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year. In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.
Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.
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That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds. Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey. Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts. There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year. In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.
Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.
Interesting. My statement was purely off a conversation I had with an ECHL player in Tulsa. I asked him how he ended up in Tulsa. He said he played for Moose Jaw in that league & called it semi-pro. I mostly remembered because of Moose Jaw.
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I am :lol: at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.
Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..
Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole
Well, thanks for all of that. We've talked about these things for a long time, and how LHC Bill Snyder, like so many successful college coaches has people conned. There's no doubt that he's generally a good dude, but I also know, and we've seen he can be a ridiculously over-the-top DB. Holding guys rent checks, causing undue hardship on players, withholding awards, purposely (IMO) not promoting players more when they deserve it, is not cool. There's also a very hardcore "you're not really hurt" culture inside K-State football with Snyder and this staff, it's very old school.
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Bryce Brown was/is a Prima Donna so I really take no stock in anything he says. Many of the players and coaches I have talked to don't exactly paint the most flattering picture of Snyder. That being said, I have known many former players at different universities and very few have flattering things to say about their coaches absent that they made me the best player I could be. The coaches have a job to do, I'm in no way advocating for mistreatment, but they're not there to be friends either.
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That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds. Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey. Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts. There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year. In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.
Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.
Interesting. My statement was purely off a conversation I had with an ECHL player in Tulsa. I asked him how he ended up in Tulsa. He said he played for Moose Jaw in that league & called it semi-pro. I mostly remembered because of Moose Jaw.
Oilers, gross. He must have aged out of major juniors. I believe at that point they're just free agents.
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I am :lol: at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.
Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..
Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole
I hate FB so I'm probably doing something wrong but I don't see any comments from Diles, Sams, Chapman or Guidry. I see the ones from Snipes, Brown, Harper, etc but I don't see them all. Would someone mind screen-shotting anything interesting?
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I am :lol: at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.
Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..
Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole
I hate FB so I'm probably doing something wrong but I don't see any comments from Diles, Sams, Chapman or Guidry. I see the ones from Snipes, Brown, Harper, etc but I don't see them all. Would someone mind screen-shotting anything interesting?
adorable
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Nevermind I'm a dumbass.
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As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...
Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.
Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
oh good grief MIR.
You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.
Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.
CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.
I called him a moron because a lot of his beef seemed to be about playing time, and had he studied the program for one second he would've known that outside of a few players like Tyler Lockett, freshmen don't get to play much. A clumsy defense is a great way of putting it. It obviously made Snyder and Coleman look worse, but Sutton came off as whiny, that's all I was saying.
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As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...
Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.
Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
oh good grief MIR.
You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.
Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.
CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.
I called him a moron because a lot of his beef seemed to be about playing time, and had he studied the program for one second he would've known that outside of a few players like Tyler Lockett, freshmen don't get to play much. A clumsy defense is a great way of putting it. It obviously made Snyder and Coleman look worse, but Sutton came off as whiny, that's all I was saying.
I didn't get the same impression about playing time but, he did get passed on the depth chart the spring before his sophomore season, that isn't good. Lockett or anyone else has no bearing on his situation, not the least bit relevant.
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Whose Facebook page?
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Whose Facebook page?
Chris Harper's
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281-330-8004
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What is that.
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back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot hoes all on me
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Mike who?
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What is that.
Not what but who
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What is that.
Not what but who
I hope to hell it is not Suttons number.
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Just pretend I posted in the shame yourself thread
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Also I just irl put my head down. Sheesh
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Maybe Snyds was just extra grumpy from the cancer treatment. Sutton=Pinkman :dunno:
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This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons
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#Family
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This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons
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Just like Penn State's fanbase!
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Or any other school. Sometimes I think it's funny that some ppl think k-state is worse in this category vs the rest. There's tucks everywhere.
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This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons
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This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons
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Just like Penn State's fanbase!
Not sure if I will go full on Penn State here. I'm sure tucks such as myself would defend Snyder for most anything. However, actively allowing an assistant/ex-assistant to use team facilities and his position as a way to bring in young boys to rape them, even the most over the top KSU fan might just draw the line there.
Maybe.
At least I hope so.
Crap. Now I 'm not so sure. This sucks.
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If you gave them plausible deniability and a scapegoat
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If you gave them plausible deniability and a scapegoat
Yeah, John Currie would be the most hated man in Kansas.
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https://twitter.com/coreysutton1997/status/878325973300551680
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So if I understand how it works he didn't even need a release. Or is app state D1 now?
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App State is in the Sun Belt so I think they are D1 ish at least.
The whole release thing is so you can get on scholarship immediately IIRC and I am not sure if no release keeps that from happening if you go down
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Ok, thanks
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App state moved up a few years ago
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here's an Appalachian State did you know: they are a mold research institute :Wha:
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But really solid stade choice, Corey. If you're gonna go Sun Belt, pick one in the mountains with permanent bleachers on all four sides and an upper deck :love:
Coincidentally I was just ogling pix of ASU's newish hoops stade a few minutes ago, pretty interesting place. I'm sure our #ForeverQat Corey Sutton will enjoy many games there during Appalachian Mold fooboo offseason.
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Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised. :frown:
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Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised. :frown:
Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.
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Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised. :frown:
Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.
Oh dang, good call. I'll have to catch him balling around the field against Penn St. in next year's opener. . .if I even remember who he is by that point.
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Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised. :frown:
Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.
Oh dang, good call. I'll have to catch him balling around the field against Penn St. in next year's opener. . .if I even remember who he is by that point.
I didn't even know who he was when this all started
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here's an Appalachian State did you know: they are a mold research institute :Wha:
Well penicillin turned out to be kinda a big deal
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Solid as a rock and proud as a peacock
[youtube]https://youtu.be/pVENWl8uBeg[/youtube]
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Ron Prince played for Appalachian State...FWIW.
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I must have missed this show on ABC's TGIF.
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remember that time appy st beat Michigan?
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remember that time appy st beat Michigan?
i do.
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remember that time appy st beat Michigan?
i do.
the first game broadcast on the big ten network :lol:
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Going to finish the season with 10 TDs and 700+ yards
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:lynchmob:
Going to finish the season with 10 TDs and 700+ yards
Good for him. His ceiling here was (liberally) 2 for 300 this season.
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https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1136320045636902912
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remember that time appy st beat Michigan?
'tis my favorite Appalachian State memory.