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Title: Corey Sutton
Post by: quagmire on May 03, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
Sutton tweeted out that he is transferring. Probably knew he wasn't going to get too much playing time with our receiving corps being as deep as it is. Doesn't hurt us too much for next year, but I think he could've been good eventually.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 03, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
That blows. Not too many true freshman play under snyder.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on May 03, 2017, 01:13:32 PM
i thought he was good and was looking forward to having a WR with dreads hanging out of the back of their helmet after Snyder retires  :frown:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on May 03, 2017, 01:16:18 PM
Sucks to see him go, but he probably knew he was gonna get buried on the depth chart. None of the guys ahead of him are seniors this year, either. I agree he probably would have been good in a couple years, but if there was ever a time we could afford to lose a WR, this is it. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: cfbandyman on May 03, 2017, 02:18:34 PM
Sucks, he could've been huge next year and 2019, but understand wanting to play now. If he was here two years ago he would have seen a ton of playing time, but is here during arguably the best core of WRs we've had in Bill Pt. 2
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 03, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
#notmyguy #mouthbreather
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 03, 2017, 04:00:47 PM
Any relation to Dominique? 

WR's are a dime a dozen. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pvegs on May 03, 2017, 05:09:25 PM
via DJamer Wally:

"I'm not sure the depth chart had as much to do with this decision as failing to meet the expectations of the coach staff did, based on what I was told from a source.

This was a combination of a lot of things: Being in the dog house to some extent (doesn't sound like he was a regular there, but did struggle to meet expectations this offseason), which results in a drop on an already deep depth chart, all the while being far from home in North Carolina.

With the ability to utilize an unused redshirt without losing a year, I think signs were pointing towards this. Was more a matter of when than if he would leave from the sounds of things. I think Corey's a good kid and this isn't about a lack of character or morals with him. Some players just struggle to meet the demands."
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 09emaw on May 03, 2017, 06:06:24 PM
I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on May 03, 2017, 06:30:48 PM
Sutton was really damn good. I consider him to be a pretty big loss, I know we are stacked at WR but I think this kid starts for most other Big12 schools.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 03, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
LACKS WORK ETHIC
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: scottwildcat on May 03, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 09emaw on May 03, 2017, 07:53:54 PM
I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.

I know, but a lot of schools restrict their players from going to schools on their schedule even knowing they wont play out of precaution of the player divulging signals, checks, and other insider information.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: joda on May 03, 2017, 11:27:59 PM
I wonder if we will put any restrictions on where he can transfer to? Most notably UNC-Charlotte, his hometown school that we play for the second game of the year.
He has to sit out a year.

I know, but a lot of schools restrict their players from going to schools on their schedule even knowing they wont play out of precaution of the player divulging signals, checks, and other insider information.

If we're worried about that with Charlotte we're in trouble
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on May 04, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
FP, TC, Etc
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on May 04, 2017, 09:37:07 AM
oh good, he doesn't lack morals, thanks DJamer dumbass
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Powercat Posse on May 07, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
That blows. Not too many true freshman play under snyder.

True. I liked his upside.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Winters on May 08, 2017, 03:04:57 PM
He always seems like he is not enjoying the eff out of life. Hopefully he will now...
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: #LIFE on May 31, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: #LIFE on May 31, 2017, 02:42:37 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on May 31, 2017, 03:55:14 PM
What exactly could hold up a player from getting a release? I remember the big to-do with Leticia Romero and the women's basketball program a few years back, but I don't know much about how releases work.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 04:28:41 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Gooch on May 31, 2017, 04:31:26 PM
Sounds like the Currie hold overs are still running the department.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
gpc gems

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I'm sure Jay Bilas will be chiding in soon on this.

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I'm so glad I'm not involved in the world of twitter. It is the armpit of our collective conscience. Anyway, I think the little "100" after all his posts tell me all I need to know about him.

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One word...Millennial.

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Adversity tends to show our true character.

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Shooter Jones on May 31, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
I just noticed he has a really long face (not a joke about him looking sad)
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 05:32:33 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article153670459.html
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
not a good look
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 05:38:10 PM
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.

“Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him, that I was going to be there for four years. I heard that and told him, ‘Coaches can leave. So why can’t a player leave? You made a commitment to me that you were going to treat me the right way and that’s not what you’re doing.’ ”

“I don’t have enough money for that,” Sutton said. “(Snyder) is trying to treat me like I am his kid. Why is he treating a 19-year old like that and trying to change his life like that? I have never heard of anything like this before.”

“There are so many things messed up with that program,” Sutton said. “Why would I ever go back?”

“My position coach (Andre Coleman) told me if I graduated early from high school that I would come in and start as a freshman, because we didn’t have any receivers,” Sutton said. “Then I get here and we are deep at receiver. I don’t mind competition, but I told the coaches I only wanted to burn my redshirt if I was going to be involved with half the plays.

“They said that wouldn’t be a problem. They told me I was going to start and used me as a starter in practice. They promised me all this playing time. Then the game would start and my position coach would grab me and tell me to stay on the sidelines and that I’m not starting because Coach Snyder doesn’t want to play a freshman. I felt lied to.”

Sutton said he was also upset with coaches asking him to cut his dreadlocks and to wear certain clothes.

“There was a year and a half of events that led to me leaving. I committed to K-State because I thought it was going to be a great experience,” Sutton said. “But it wasn’t. It made me negative-minded about college. This wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment decision. I thought about it for months. I told my coaches I was depressed there. I told my coaches I had to go counseling there. They just don’t get it.”
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Shooter Jones on May 31, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.

Well that was really rough ridin' stupid, Corey.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on May 31, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pissclams on May 31, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article153670459.html

just another hatchet job from kellis hatchenette  smdh
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on May 31, 2017, 06:33:03 PM
not a good look

For which party
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on May 31, 2017, 06:50:33 PM
not a good look

For which party

I don't care how it looks for Corey.  I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre.  For them it looks bad.  It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.

This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Gooch on May 31, 2017, 08:03:02 PM
A kid wanting to transfer should only have to finish the semester as to not eff the APR. After that they should be free to go.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on May 31, 2017, 10:08:37 PM
not a good look

For which party

I don't care how it looks for Corey.  I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre.  For them it looks bad.  It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.

This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
Really? How do you fit that in between these coaches suck at recruiting and also do it too clean act everyone has here?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ELL3 on May 31, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
I bet Kenn W and Wildcat Salute got some views on this
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: stunted on May 31, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
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“When I originally told Coach Snyder I was going to transfer he said, ‘Well, Corey, I feel bad that you want to leave, but I can’t make you stay,’ ” Sutton said. “I dropped all my classes, moved out of Kansas and started looking at my options, then I find out they are denying me my release.

“Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him, that I was going to be there for four years. I heard that and told him, ‘Coaches can leave. So why can’t a player leave? You made a commitment to me that you were going to treat me the right way and that’s not what you’re doing.’ ”

“I don’t have enough money for that,” Sutton said. “(Snyder) is trying to treat me like I am his kid. Why is he treating a 19-year old like that and trying to change his life like that? I have never heard of anything like this before.”

“There are so many things messed up with that program,” Sutton said. “Why would I ever go back?”

“My position coach (Andre Coleman) told me if I graduated early from high school that I would come in and start as a freshman, because we didn’t have any receivers,” Sutton said. “Then I get here and we are deep at receiver. I don’t mind competition, but I told the coaches I only wanted to burn my redshirt if I was going to be involved with half the plays.

“They said that wouldn’t be a problem. They told me I was going to start and used me as a starter in practice. They promised me all this playing time. Then the game would start and my position coach would grab me and tell me to stay on the sidelines and that I’m not starting because Coach Snyder doesn’t want to play a freshman. I felt lied to.”

Sutton said he was also upset with coaches asking him to cut his dreadlocks and to wear certain clothes.

“There was a year and a half of events that led to me leaving. I committed to K-State because I thought it was going to be a great experience,” Sutton said. “But it wasn’t. It made me negative-minded about college. This wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment decision. I thought about it for months. I told my coaches I was depressed there. I told my coaches I had to go counseling there. They just don’t get it.”

confirmed fp, tc, etc
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Winters on June 01, 2017, 08:00:15 AM
I believe in the APR theory. I'm tucking my shirt in and am on #TeamKSU until further developments arise.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 01, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
i'm #teamsutton on the dreadlocks, let them babies flow
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Functianalyst on June 01, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
not a good look

For which party

I don't care how it looks for Corey.  I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre.  For them it looks bad.  It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.

This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
I agree that this does not look good for K-State recruitment wise.  Hindering a kid from transferring and moving on with his life once they find out K-State is not going to be a good fit, could potentially impact future commitments. 

Whether he should be released is questionable since obviously we don't know the whole story.  If Sutton was told he would be released at the end of the semester to not affect the APR rating, yet decided to drop his classes anyhow then so be it.  He only showed his immaturity.  In the meantime as a fan, we can do just as much damage by bashing the kid on social media.  I say let this one play out.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 08:58:57 AM
not a good look

For which party

I don't care how it looks for Corey.  I do care how it looks for KSU, Bill, and Andre.  For them it looks bad.  It's worse because it serves no purpose at all.

This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.
Not sure about the last statement, but I agree that this does not look good for K-State.  It's hard enough to recruit to Manhattan.  Hindering someone moving on with their lives once they find out K-State is not going to be a good fit could potentially impact a kid's decision to commit. 

Yet on the other hand this makes no sense.  I will wait to hear the other side.

I haven't been impressed with Andre for a lot of reasons.  After sitting on the east side a couple years, I can see how the players interact with him.  After every bad play he makes the exact same "come on man" face while holding his head set in 1 hand and making a fist, bending his arm across his stomach with his other hand.  The players completely ignore him coming off the field.

Also, who has gotten better under him?  The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better.  He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 01, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
Also, who has gotten better under him?  The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better.  He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot.
lockett and sexton come to mind.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
Also, who has gotten better under him?  The only one that stuck around was Burton and he never got better.  He's good for a few SE recruits and other than that, he's just filling a spot.
lockett and sexton come to mind.

They were both juniors by the time he got here.  I'll give him some credit for them, but he hasn't developed anyone on his own.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2017, 09:25:52 AM
Between this:

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The 2014 season proved to be the best year for Wildcat wide receivers in school history as the 1-2 punch of All-American Tyler Lockett and All-Big 12 performer Curry Sexton became the first duo in school history to go over 1,000 yards in the same season and were the top receiving duo in the nation during that season.

And finding Pringle and Strickland, I think i'll let him stick around.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 01, 2017, 09:47:08 AM
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Coach Snyder told me today that when I signed my letter of intent that was my commitment to him
Makes me wonder how long Snyders divorce took
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SEK_EMAW on June 01, 2017, 10:09:42 AM
I won't likely take a one sided article with only quotes from a 19 year old kid as gospel.  However, I don't know why KSU handles this things so poorly.  Let him go...who cares?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pett on June 01, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
This also pushes me further into the not impressed by Andre Coleman camp.

Yes, let's bash the best recruiter on our staff for using a tactic on a talented high school WR, insinuating that he could play as a Freshman if he worked hard.

We weren't very deep or experienced at WR during the preseason. Fact.

Ever imagine that Sutton wasn't as talented as originally thought? Also, there were also rumors of him being in the doghouse.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 01, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious (barring injury) he's not going to get a ton of snaps over the next 2 seasons. Good for WR depth, but he's just not as talented as the guys in front of him.

So move on, but I'd consider keeping yourself in good academic standing before saying stupid crap about it all. If that's the issue anyway. (his mother says he had a 3.0 spring semester, and it was his summer classes "he dropped" in that quote, so maybe it's not)
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
Sutton called Kellis back and Kellis updated his story.  He finished the spring with a 3.0 & dropped his summer classes.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 01, 2017, 10:34:39 AM
not a good look

For which party

k-state
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 10:42:13 AM
Sutton called Kellis back and Kellis updated his story.  He finished the spring with a 3.0 & dropped his summer classes.
If that's true, wtf KSU Cats!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 01, 2017, 10:43:03 AM
I think some people upset at Corey are handling their catdom incorrectly.

I always hate the thought behind phrases like "once a wildcat, always a wildcat."  no!  that's not true.  mark mangino was a wildcat once.  was he in 2004?  I think you know the answer to that.

being a cat isn't a "blood in blood out" enterprise.  it's an affirmative decision we make every single day.  today, I will EMAW.  maybe i'll stop EMAW'ing tomorrow, but not today. 

if this Sutton fellow isn't a wildcat, he's not a wildcat, and we shouldn't force him to be because that, friends, is impossible. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: libstradamus on June 01, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
Guys, tons of kids get homesick and depressed their freshman year. Our ad/coaches probably pull this scheme multiple times a year and 9 times out of 10 the player sticks around and finds their groove their second year and we never hear another word about it.

Unfortunately it seems like maybe we hold on too long sometimes too. Sutton should obviously get his release, but I really don't have a problem with our coaches giving a little pushback too.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on June 01, 2017, 11:03:30 AM
This is and always will be a simple freaking decision: Let the kid go. So completely stupid to not release him. It looks terrible on the school and makes future recruits concerned about how they will be treated.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 01, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
Guys, tons of kids get homesick and depressed their freshman year. Our ad/coaches probably pull this scheme multiple times a year and 9 times out of 10 the player sticks around and finds their groove their second year and we never hear another word about it.

Unfortunately it seems like maybe we hold on too long sometimes too. Sutton should obviously get his release, but I really don't have a problem with our coaches giving a little pushback too.
me and lib are just on the same page like all the time
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 11:15:40 AM
Yep
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ChiCat on June 01, 2017, 11:20:01 AM
With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 11:23:22 AM
Assuming this guy is eventually allowed to transfer or whatever and doesn't get mumped on the timing of it all, this is hilarious to be happening again.
Title: Corey Sutton
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 01, 2017, 11:27:07 AM
Where does he want to xfer?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 01, 2017, 11:37:12 AM
With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.

Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 01, 2017, 11:43:09 AM
yeah i don't really get it. the "best" result from k-state's point of view is that a kid who hates you now decides to stick around and play for you even though he will still hate the crap out of you and only make the team worse.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: manpow5 on June 01, 2017, 12:17:39 PM
Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 09emaw on June 01, 2017, 12:25:20 PM
What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pissclams on June 01, 2017, 12:26:47 PM
Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.

for about a day
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 01, 2017, 12:35:44 PM
What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.

His mom says he had a 3.0, then says he never had worse than a C. Now I know he could have an A for each of those C's, but how amaze would it be if they didn't know how to calculate GPA and thought a C average was a 3.0? Much like time zones, GPA calculating can be confusing.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: _33 on June 01, 2017, 12:42:52 PM
I don't care about this.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Shooter Jones on June 01, 2017, 12:43:55 PM
All the tweets are deleted now.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ELL3 on June 01, 2017, 12:45:14 PM
With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.

Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.

Sean is a gigantic dick about rules and regulations, hair length being one of them. Is it safe to say most of this is on Sean?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 01, 2017, 01:03:31 PM
With coaching change being a looming concern, I don't think we need to send the message that we will hold transfers hostage.

Bill is probably trying to send a message to the kids already here that they had better not try to transfer away when Sean's coach.

Sean is a gigantic dick about rules and regulations, hair length being one of them. Is it safe to say most of this is on Sean?

No, Cory is saying it's Bill, and he would probably know better than anyone.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 01:05:03 PM
What I've been told from inside the team is that this is a grade issue and that is why they are holding his release. IDK why but I know I've heard in the past about us not releasing players who are not in good academic standing. Anyway this kid is headed for a JUCO somewhere in all likelihood because he had the worst grades on the team. Surprisingly really with his intellectual tweeting ability.

His mom says he had a 3.0, then says he never had worse than a C. Now I know he could have an A for each of those C's, but how amaze would it be if they didn't know how to calculate GPA and thought a C average was a 3.0? Much like time zones, GPA calculating can be confusing.

Calculating GPA is about as weird & difficult to understand as how knees and ankles work, which is pretty damn complicated & confusing.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2017, 01:29:29 PM
Some gems:

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KSU football is literally on the edge of implosion. A senile old man with cancer who is on his way out as their coach but, the University won't move on because of his past achievements. The longer they keep propping his corpse up on the sideline the more he will inadvertently tarnish his own legacy. Use this opportunity with his current health for Old Balls to be shown the door with some grace, otherwise things won't be as rosey when he finally goes.

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And the second comment to the article is from his uncle:

If I can speak freely as a concerned uncle, my family have all witnessed what has happened with Corey over the past year and a half. From what this experience intially meant to him and where he has found himself since making that committment to and spending the past year and a half at Kansas State.

What bothers me personally is that I see a young man who committed to, and threw his all behind that committment, only to discover that the "idea" of family that LHC Bill Snyder and the staff promote isn't family at all. That idea of family seems to have been lost within a dictator mentality because of how one man wants everyone to conform to his standards. Therefore, something as benign as the way someone wears their hair or what color of shoes and socks they walk around the building wearing, becomes a distraction. Not for the players, but for a man who has grown accustomed to getting his way.

It appears that Bill Synder speaks FOR the college and that there is little to no questioning his assumed authority over it all. It should not be that way. The doors should always remain open for students and student athlete's alike to speak for themselves, and to speak up for themselves.

I would like to ask LHC Bill Snyder, where is that idea of family? Did it get lost somewhere simply because a long tenured and successful coach within the schools history has his name plastered on the side of a stadium wall? Has his pride given him that dictator mentality to where he feels it is his place to coach up conformity, as opposed to embracing and encouraging individuality?

Beyond their capabilities on the football field, I believe there is little committment made towards knowing who these young men are. Therefore little to no understanding of what their backgrounds are, what their future aspirations may be, or in Corey's case, where his sense of well being is.

When I hear that my nephew has been going to counseling and I learn of a decision like the one that was made final today, that "idea" of family is no longer present when the care and concern for another human being is no longer acknowledged.

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Perhaps there's rumors floating around SheepTown that they'll be playing for a different coach this fall???

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I would send this out to every recruit in the midwest.

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The purple board isn't taking it too well. A player speaks poorly of their "family" and they are all on board for ruining the dude's career. The KSU fanbase isn't full of kansas' best and brightest. Looks like one of them had to come over here and one star everything here to make them feel better. You think they would learn after the negative press they got for blocking Leti's transfer. At least they had a halfway decent reason for that.

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Weird how it was OK for Chris Harper to transfer to KSU, but Sutton can't transfer out of KSU.

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Old Balls did grow up in Missouri, during slavery...













Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: manpow5 on June 01, 2017, 01:58:55 PM
Some gems:

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And the second comment to the article is from his uncle:

If I can speak freely as a concerned uncle, my family have all witnessed what has happened with Corey over the past year and a half. From what this experience intially meant to him and where he has found himself since making that committment to and spending the past year and a half at Kansas State.

What bothers me personally is that I see a young man who committed to, and threw his all behind that committment, only to discover that the "idea" of family that LHC LHC Bill Snyder and the staff promote isn't family at all. That idea of family seems to have been lost within a dictator mentality because of how one man wants everyone to conform to his standards. Therefore, something as benign as the way someone wears their hair or what color of shoes and socks they walk around the building wearing, becomes a distraction. Not for the players, but for a man who has grown accustomed to getting his way.

It appears that Bill Synder speaks FOR the college and that there is little to no questioning his assumed authority over it all. It should not be that way. The doors should always remain open for students and student athlete's alike to speak for themselves, and to speak up for themselves.

I would like to ask LHC LHC Bill Snyder, where is that idea of family? Did it get lost somewhere simply because a long tenured and successful coach within the schools history has his name plastered on the side of a stadium wall? Has his pride given him that dictator mentality to where he feels it is his place to coach up conformity, as opposed to embracing and encouraging individuality?

Beyond their capabilities on the football field, I believe there is little committment made towards knowing who these young men are. Therefore little to no understanding of what their backgrounds are, what their future aspirations may be, or in Corey's case, where his sense of well being is.

When I hear that my nephew has been going to counseling and I learn of a decision like the one that was made final today, that "idea" of family is no longer present when the care and concern for another human being is no longer acknowledged.



I bet if it was Saban instead of Snyder, people would do a 180.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 01, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
i mean there's really no reason for him to be mad about the hair and dress code, unless he didn't take a visit or talk to anyone that played at k-state before coming
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: millertime on June 01, 2017, 02:15:50 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 02:17:07 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.

He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules.  All 35 denied.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: millertime on June 01, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.

He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules.  All 35 denied.

Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: scottwildcat on June 01, 2017, 02:35:26 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.

He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules.  All 35 denied.

allegedly including some FCS and Division II schools.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 01, 2017, 02:46:02 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.

He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules.  All 35 denied.

Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
also, he'd have to sit out a year if he went to charlotte. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 02:49:24 PM
What are the chances he's wanting to transfer to Charlotte? If that's the case, maybe weee not releasing him because we play them week 2. Seems weird to hold him even for that, but maybe that has something to do with it.

He asked for a release to 35 schools, none in the Big12 or on future schedules.  All 35 denied.

Then I really don't get any of this, but I'm not the one getting paid to make these decisions.
also, he'd have to sit out a year if he went to charlotte.
But could tell them lots of things...its not the playing against that stops them from being allowed to transfer directly to a future opponent.

He can go D2 and play for whoever we wants in a year as well.

Also I'm hearing there will be a Snyder interview at 4 pm.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on June 01, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
This is getting really ugly.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on June 01, 2017, 03:06:35 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Gooch on June 01, 2017, 03:08:26 PM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 03:16:40 PM
At times like these, it always amuses me to see that KSU teaches a whole series of courses on PR.

http://catalog.k-state.edu/search_advanced.php?cur_cat_oid=13&search_database=Search&search_db=Search&cpage=1&ecpage=1&ppage=1&spage=1&tpage=1&location=3&filter%5Bkeyword%5D=public+relations&filter%5Bexact_match%5D=1
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 03:26:30 PM
You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 03:27:04 PM
You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 03:27:58 PM
I hope they talk about this on my fave 3 espn shows today.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2017, 03:38:45 PM
You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
Cam went Juco after Florida. That's usually how most transfer back into the FBS.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 03:47:56 PM
Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.

for about a day


Agreed.  The world is a really crazy damn place.  Other crap will take over the spotlight, fast.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
You can play right away if you go FCS or D2. No sitting out a year.
Then come right on back to the Big 12.
A la Cam Newton SEC
Cam went Juco after Florida. That's usually how most transfer back into the FBS.
My point was dipping out and coming back to the same conference.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: BackPayne on June 01, 2017, 04:19:31 PM
Dammit, Bill.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on June 01, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 01, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?

It would be nice if we could change athletic dept. policy when we get a new AD, but I guess we just can't.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on June 01, 2017, 05:00:29 PM
didn't they say during the stroballer scandal that it is simply athletic dept. policy to not release players?

It would be nice if we could change athletic dept. policy when we get a new AD, but I guess we just can't.

like Gene Gene the Dancing Machine is actually doing anything...
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Big Sam on June 01, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Does the NCAA still do the calculation of academic standing of scholarship kids, and if numbers are not maintained, they can hammer the number of scholarships/signees you can have?

If so, and his academic standing was screwed up, I could see why things would be at issue with the admin and staff.  If you plan to leave, at least leave your academic house in order so you aren't hurting those you leave behind of the program.  If you don't do your end, we won't do ours.

Just a stab in the dark.  IDK what is going on, but I will hazard a guess..
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 06:02:56 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 06:08:01 PM
Kid should have just smoked some weed to get around Bill's pious bullshit.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 01, 2017, 06:14:38 PM
Ugh. Here we are again. :frown:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 06:18:08 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2017, 06:18:54 PM
I can see bill acquiescing to the media's demands post haste.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 06:37:43 PM
Marcus Raines, tho
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 01, 2017, 06:40:24 PM
jay bilas lacks so many intrinsic values i don't even know where to begin
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 06:41:26 PM
Self limitations prolly too.  Bet he took a pay cut to stay at ESPN.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2017, 06:48:04 PM
Marcus Raines, tho

Quote

"I think it's just, 'What are the values of our program and how does this fit?' " Snyder says. "I've always been a coach who has said, 'You'll get a second chance,' but somewhere you have to draw the line."

The line is drawn at Marcus Raines.

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
 :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 06:57:11 PM
Thank goodness they already did the hall of fame vote. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pete on June 01, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
They named a highway after Bill.  Not an exit ramp.  These millennials, man.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 01, 2017, 07:17:13 PM
kids don't get their way, they immediately throw a fit or call kellis robinette, in this case both
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Tobias on June 01, 2017, 07:20:41 PM
this kid will be sending bill a diagonal thank you note within the week
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 07:37:56 PM
:excited: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:


:lol:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 01, 2017, 07:59:06 PM
like LHC Bill Snyder gives 2 fucks what Pitt does
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on June 01, 2017, 09:19:08 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 01, 2017, 09:21:11 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: LeggoKatZ on June 01, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
Some gems:

Quote
Old Balls did grow up in Missouri, during slavery...

I'm not going to lie, that's pretty funny.  lol
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ben ji on June 01, 2017, 09:22:32 PM
Embarrassing. Is this enough to get bill fired? Would love to see what leavitt could do with this years squad.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 09:34:14 PM
Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: BackPayne on June 01, 2017, 09:39:53 PM
Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.

Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 01, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.

Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
Pretty much, I laughed pretty hard. Kid should have made sure his house was clean before spouting off.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 01, 2017, 09:48:06 PM
Sports writers are very pius about the commitment release thing.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: BackPayne on June 01, 2017, 09:53:40 PM
I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?

Yeah, I think that is going to hurt us.  FERPA!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 10:05:23 PM
like LHC Bill Snyder gives 2 fucks what Pitt does

Nobody does.  Dokish!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 01, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
He called Kellis a yokel.   :lol:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
I wasn't aware school officials could comment on a student athlete failing drug tests?


No Frank bites us again. If he was still around, he could've taught Bill how to talk about all this stuff.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 01, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
He called Kellis a yokel.   :lol:

It was beautiful
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on June 01, 2017, 10:44:23 PM
A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 01, 2017, 11:13:03 PM
A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?

One of you wizards needs to right now make a Bill diagonal purple note breaking down exactly who's failed how many drug tests.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 02, 2017, 12:46:14 AM
Welp Corey mumped with the wrong dude. Snyds laid him out in that interview I just saw.

Bill's way of saying "Don't eff with me."
Pretty much, I laughed pretty hard. Kid should have made sure his house was clean before spouting off.

None of that crap should have any bearing on a release, it actually makes the case for a release stronger. It was an incredibly defensive and frankly stupid and nonsensical monologue. This is going to make this situation worse. He wants a release so you disclose he failed drug tests so this is why you won't give a release? WTF?

This is just as bad as the Marcus Raines thing but probably not as bad as he treated Ell after his eligibility was competed. I wish this dude wasn't deified as much as he is; guy is just a regular ass dude.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 02, 2017, 12:55:57 AM
I don't think it should have any baring (bearing?) either. I found it funny in a way like someone mouthing off and being soundly rebuffed.

It happens to me all the time. It happens to a lot of people. I can find humor in it.

Im team release. Have been this whole time. He wants to leave, let him go.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2017, 07:21:58 AM
FERPA, HIPPA what's up next on LHC Bill Snyder's "eff the Feds" rampage?

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 02, 2017, 08:02:49 AM
I think Bill is genuinely concerned about the well being of this youngster, and believes it's best for him to stay in the program and receive the mentorship and guidance that only Corey's FAMILY can provide.  Some may call it tough love, but it's love nonetheless.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2017, 08:15:15 AM
FERPA, HIPPA what's up next on LHC Bill Snyder's "eff the Feds" rampage?

Stay tuned.

:lol:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Steffy08 on June 02, 2017, 08:15:30 AM
What many don't appreciate about this situation is that it isn't just about Sutton.  Snyder is thinking long term and which policy is best for team going forward.  By not granting release, you discourage this request in the future.  It's smart.

Unfair to Sutton?  I don't think so.  Now if Snyder were cutting guys' scholarships simply because they sucked, then I would say "yes this is a double standard."  But he treats this as a four year commitment....and expects the players to do so, too.

The argument about coaches being able to leave is irrelevant.  Their contract is with the school....and when they break it they have to pay.  And, in any event, that argument is even more ridiculous when talking about Snyder, since he has stayed at KState 25 years.

I would've had more sympathy for Sutton if he didn't play the "slavemaster" card and the "they promised my starting."  He could've looked on the depth chart to see he wasn't a starter.  He comes off like a someone who makes me uncomfortable....it obviously pissed Snyder off as well.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kim carnes on June 02, 2017, 08:26:19 AM
My thoughts: this is not ok
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 02, 2017, 08:27:55 AM
A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?

It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2017, 08:39:30 AM
A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?

It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.

he didn't tell everyone sutton failed the test, he implied it; which it could be argued is worse than actually fingering sutton for the failed test.
regardless, these situations get so dirty that they're best just avoided.  no one wins.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 02, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
jfc, Steffy
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 02, 2017, 08:41:21 AM
for Snyder to stand there and say, with a straight face, that he's never allowed a player with two failed drug tests to stay on the team, before Sutton, is laughable. i am confused by this whole situation.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 02, 2017, 09:12:36 AM
How many did Brod fail?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 02, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
The whole flip side to the no transfer policy is that Bill will honor the scholarship of anyone regardless, it is guaranteed whether they can play or not.  This is a positive in pitching A KID WHO MIGHT NT BE GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY.

I am sure the try hards from Hosington will appreciate 4 years on the KSU dime when they realize they will never see the field.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 02, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
i really thought Snyder2.0 was a little softer. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 02, 2017, 09:44:25 AM
intrinsic values don't get soft over time
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 09:49:50 AM
has anyone on gopowercat or wildcat salute said anything about Michael smith once wanting to transfer.  :crossfingers: I'm really hoping so
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: cas4ksu on June 02, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
He called Kellis a yokel.   :lol:

It was beautiful

the best part of this ordeal to date.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Functianalyst on June 02, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce.  College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees.  In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship. 

When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity.  If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players.  Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ChiCat on June 02, 2017, 10:18:09 AM
They are going to release Sutton eventually.  I don't know why they want to look as bad as possible in the process.
Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce.  College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees.  In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship. 

When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity.  If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players.  Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.

Almost as stupid as Steffy's take
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 02, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
Oh FFS, there's a moment when (and it's very early) when you're beyond this "teachable moment" bullshit, and you move on.

You don't bury yourself in a PR quagmire where with every flap of your jaw you make yourself out to look like a complete hypocrite and idiot.

No one should be surprised that the Snyder Above K-State crowd is having this reaction so they toss BS around like "commitment" and "teachable moment". 

 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: That_Guy on June 02, 2017, 10:28:18 AM
K-State really takes the, "any Publicity is good publicity," thing to the next level it seems.


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 02, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
it's like some of you think you know what's best for our program more than The Legend himself.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Functianalyst on June 02, 2017, 10:35:20 AM
They are going to release Sutton eventually.  I don't know why they want to look as bad as possible in the process.
Maybe I am missing something here, or clearly some of you are confusing working to earn your keep with entitlement. Growing up in Oklahoma, I know way too many who lost their scholarships over the decades because they did not produce.  College football at the more elite programs is a cut throat business and players are well to aware at OU and OSU that there are not guarantees.  In the 70's-80's Corey Sutton would not have needed to be worried about being released at OU, because they would have snatched his scholarship. 

When HCBS makes it clear that he is not going to ever let that happen at K-State, it shows me the man has the highest of integrity.  If he is willing to make that commitment to his players, then I absolutely agree that he expects some loyalty from his players.  Corey Sutton gets to learn how the real world works.
Almost as stupid as Steffy's take
Not a take, it's how programs are run. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 02, 2017, 10:37:52 AM
The "how the real world works" take is the rough ridin' worst.  In the real world they fire you and both move on.  The closest thing might be a non-compete, but if you want to apply that, it would hold no water here, especially with FCS & D2 schools who K-State will never compete with.

The real world is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be.  People eff up in non-criminal ways all the time and get multiple chances without BS punitive crap like this.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ChiCat on June 02, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
The real world at work: K-State gets thrashed on social media, the front page of ESPN now, and certainly by other coaches recruiting players you want.  Neither K-State nor Sutton benefit from this "tough love" which, in the real world, is actually the petty bullshit of a guy getting paid 3 mil a year holding someone's college education hostage.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 10:55:44 AM
I have a new favorite guy on salute.

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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 10:56:09 AM
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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 10:56:45 AM
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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 10:57:05 AM
I'm not sure I got them all but I love this guy

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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 10:57:52 AM
Double V for president!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KsuWildcatsXII on June 02, 2017, 11:34:13 AM
A friend said he thinks the drug test remarks weren't actually about Sutton. He thinks Bill was speaking generally about team policies and was actually referring to Geary. I just listened to the interview again and now I'm not sure. Anyone else get that impression?

It's even worse if he told everyone Sutton failed a drug test that Geary actually failed.

I'm hoping the quote was just poorly timed/taken out of context. I could obviously be wrong, but that's just how it sounded to me when I re-watched the video. If he indeed was talking about a player other than Sutton, I hope he clarifies that publicly very soon.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 02, 2017, 11:59:44 AM
out of curiosity, was this big of a fit thrown when Bryce wasn't released?  national coverage and all of that?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Skipper44 on June 02, 2017, 12:07:07 PM
out of curiosity, was this big of a fit thrown when Bryce wasn't released?  national coverage and all of that?
It was a different deal with the coaching change but I would say no.  UTenn basically said they would release Bryce when he met with Derek Dooley iirc
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 02, 2017, 12:44:48 PM
IDNGAF about this one way or the other.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: OK_Cat on June 02, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
Stuff like this really brings out the worst in our tuck fanbase


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 02, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
Just got his release.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 02, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Jesus. Way to make yourself look like a shithead for no reason, Bill.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 02, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
not a luke just posting the tweet

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: AtlantaWildcat on June 02, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
Well at least we can move forward now and he can go be irrelevant somewhere else. We can move on with our lives  :buh-bye:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: #LIFE on June 02, 2017, 02:14:26 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
don't back pedal snyds !
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 02, 2017, 02:19:33 PM
BEND BUT DONT BREAK SNYDS!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 02, 2017, 02:26:20 PM
That was a rough 48 hours. I'm glad I can move on with my life.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 02, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
Sutton is a moron.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 02, 2017, 02:28:08 PM

Extracurricular activities.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 02, 2017, 02:32:55 PM
Jay Bilas, trying his best to stay relevant...SAD!!!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on June 02, 2017, 02:52:09 PM
What a rough ridin' moron, both bill and corey.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ChiCat on June 02, 2017, 02:53:48 PM
Can't wait until next year when we do the same thing all over again!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on June 02, 2017, 02:56:27 PM
Silver lining: maybe this whole charade means taylor wont be a pussy when it comes to letting bill hire a new coach cuz hes a dumbass.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 114Hickory on June 02, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
There's not a person posting in this thread who didn't know how this would eventually be "resolved."
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pissclams on June 02, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
Bleacher Report has now picked up the story.... gonna end up being a PR nightmare.

for about a day

Title: Corey Sutton
Post by: CrushNasty on June 02, 2017, 10:14:52 PM
Former players going in on Chris Harper's Facebook post(s). Can't seem to link it (from mobile at least)...

Bryce Brown, Gabe Crews, Attrail Snipes, Robert Rose, Shaun Simon, Gary Chandler, Chaq Reed, Arrison Davis, Ralph Guidry, Allen Chapman, Daniel Sams... :(

Obviously most of those names didn't have the best go-rounds during their times at K-State but it sucks to see. I'm sure every program has their ex-players that has had bad experiences, as well. These guys clearly did not like the behind the scenes stuff they had to deal with under Snyder.


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: _33 on June 02, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
Players hate coaches.  Especially players whose careers didn't go as they envisioned.  Not unique to K-State or LHC Bill Snyder or college football.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: That_Guy on June 02, 2017, 11:26:50 PM
It's easy to find the negatives when you don't shine. If any of those players were a success in the NFL, they wouldn't say any of that.

Tucking my shirt in 


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: waks on June 03, 2017, 03:42:30 AM
Former players going in on Chris Harper's Facebook post(s). Can't seem to link it (from mobile at least)...

Bryce Brown, Gabe Crews, Attrail Snipes, Robert Rose, Shaun Simon, Gary Chandler, Chaq Reed, Arrison Davis, Ralph Guidry, Allen Chapman, Daniel Sams... :(

Obviously most of those names didn't have the best go-rounds during their times at K-State but it sucks to see. I'm sure every program has their ex-players that has had bad experiences, as well. These guys clearly did not like the behind the scenes stuff they had to deal with under Snyder.


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Damn, reading those comments is fascinating. So many names I had forgotten about. Brian Butler even makes an appearance. Bryce Brown was not a fan of squats. A lot of stuff about Snyder being reluctant to share film with scouts which seems weird to me.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2017, 08:31:43 AM
Olds make weird decisions, look at the potus
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
Is there a P5 AD in this country more obsessed with a college kid smoking some weed?  Our olds are rough ridin' obsessed with it.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2017, 10:35:15 AM
Sutton is a moron.

Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2017, 10:45:02 AM
Players hate coaches.  Especially players whose careers didn't go as they envisioned.  Not unique to K-State or LHC Bill Snyder or college football.

So you didn't read the comments. If what Attrail Snipes said is true I wouldn't trust my kid with Snyder. I guess anyone paying attention knows the history of Snyder screwing over players after they have exhausted their usefulness to him.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 03, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
Well he also has a staff made up of former players so not always
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2017, 11:20:39 AM
Well he also has a staff made up of former players so not always

Still useful to him
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2017, 11:34:59 AM
If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.

Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.

If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.

I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.

The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.

If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2017, 11:47:45 AM
If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.

Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.

If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.

I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.

The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.

If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.

dude you can't just "write an article for a paper" blasting a revered public figure such as Snyder. I mean, Jordy Nelson could probably get away with it but no other former KSU player would be taken seriously.

It's a complicated situation for the players with a lot of risk speaking out, but they are in no way in the wrong and expecting them to know Snyder was an bad person who can't relate to them is total bullshit.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
How did Sutton get articles written for him?

It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.

Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.

What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: pvegs on June 03, 2017, 12:05:43 PM
If it's that bad, and the players want to prevent other kids from going through the same, write an article for a paper. Detail how awful it was and why to avoid LHC Bill Snyder.

Pissing and moaning on Facebook is pretty lol. I didn't even know who any of those guys were aside from Harper and Brown.

If these athletes think Bill is a slavemaster (this hyperbole doesn't get called out enough) they should do something about it. Media sure did wonders for Sutton in this instance.

I'm sure Bill is an bad person. I'm sure he doesn't relate to the black athletes from black communities well. Where they got the idea that he would is beyond me. Where they thought he wasn't an bad person is beyond me.

The only pseudo knowledge I have is one of my high school classmates walked on. He started on the kick off teams as a freshman. Earned a scholarship for his sophomore year. Quit before his Junior year because Snyder was a prick he said.

If you don't like something, do something. Pissing and moaning and gloating about having balls on fb is a joke.

dude you can't just "write an article for a paper" blasting a revered public figure such as Snyder. I mean, Jordy Nelson could probably get away with it but no other former KSU player would be taken seriously.

It's a complicated situation for the players with a lot of risk speaking out, but they are in no way in the wrong and expecting them to know Snyder was an bad person who can't relate to them is total bullshit.

no kidding, mich. "oh, yes, shaun robinson? would you like to publish an article in our highly esteemed and well-circulated venue wherein you blast your former head coach and current hof'er, lhc LHC Bill Snyder? no problem. just let us know when you would like it pub'd."
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 03, 2017, 12:07:55 PM
It's okay when the romantic notions about K-State football and Coach Snyder get knocked down a little bit. This happens when humans are involved.

I still love K-State football.

And boy, Frank loves him some LHC Bill Snyder.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....

For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.

I just think they should try to do something about it.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
You're right guys. Bitching on Facebook about grave injustices you suffered is the right course of action. We have a whole thread dedicated to such things. Thanks for the fodder, ex Cats.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 03, 2017, 12:12:01 PM
Carry on, gents.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 03, 2017, 12:20:39 PM
It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....

For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.

I just think they should try to do something about it.

There is nothing to do. The ones that didn't like it enough and had options left. I've heard plenty myself and I think it's just part of the inner workings of all college football programs. For many and I'd even say most playing high level college football has tons of benefits, but there are going to be guys that don't fit. I think the coaches for the most part are about developing guys as people, but ultimately they have to win and compete; some players are going to get lost in the shuffle in that process. Also, many of those guys have great memories of competing with teammates and most have great relationships with their position coaches and coordinators.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: michigancat on June 03, 2017, 12:27:47 PM
How did Sutton get articles written for him?

It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.

Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.

What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?

"Ride the wave"? The dude just wanted to be able to use his football skills to pay for his education closer to home. H

Your beef with the former players is stupid. None of them are claiming "grave injustices" or claiming BSFS is a "regular plantation", they're just saying Snyder isn't a saint and has done some mumped up things. He should let players transfer, shouldn't share drug test info to make it more difficult for the player to transfer, and he should work better with NFL scouts.  Facebook is an appropriate medium to discuss that.

I'm also sure many would acknowledge that Snyder did them a lot of good and could continue to help them in the future and also had an overall positive experience at KSU, and therefore don't need to rough ridin' alert the press because they didn't have a QB at their pro day 6 years ago.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 03, 2017, 12:33:09 PM
How did Sutton get articles written for him?

It was a great time to ride that wave and contact the media to add to the story.

Who do you want to to take them seriously? Fans? Who gives a eff? I think the target should be recruits. Get that crap circulating if it's a regular plantation at BSFS.

What do they owe KSU or Bill? Not a damn thing. As their careers are over, what is the risk?

"Ride the wave"? The dude just wanted to be able to use his football skills to pay for his education closer to home. H

Your beef with the former players is stupid. None of them are claiming "grave injustices" or claiming BSFS is a "regular plantation", they're just saying Snyder isn't a saint and has done some mumped up things. He should let players transfer, shouldn't share drug test info to make it more difficult for the player to transfer, and he should work better with NFL scouts.  Facebook is an appropriate medium to discuss that.

I'm also sure many would acknowledge that Snyder did them a lot of good and could continue to help them in the future and also had an overall positive experience at KSU, and therefore don't need to rough ridin' alert the press because they didn't have a QB at their pro day 6 years ago.

Yes, this isn't hard.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2017, 01:00:50 PM
we have a strong history of shooting our own dicks off when not offering players a release
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on June 03, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Of all athletes, football players are the laziest and dumbest.  Anyone who played sports in high school (ftr: soccer is not a sport) can attest to this.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: bucket on June 03, 2017, 01:40:39 PM
Quote
“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”

EMAW. - Jordan Willis

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: manpow5 on June 03, 2017, 03:53:24 PM
Quote
“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”

EMAW. - Jordan Willis

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html
:billdance:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 03, 2017, 04:01:49 PM
Quote
“There’s been a lot said over the past couple of days about Coach LHC Bill Snyder. Personally, I enjoyed my time at K-State and considered playing for coach Snyder a privilege. I could not have asked for a better coach. The K-State program is not for everyone. It is a place for a grinder, a person who wants to work and improve each and every day, a player who relishes the grind and enjoys the process of being a student athlete. It’s not easy, and that’s why it takes a special person to succeed there. Nothing is given to you, and Coach Snyder’s program will weed out the weak, entitled, selfish student athletes. His program worked wonders for me and so many other former K-Staters. I’m proud to have played in his program for the last four years. I am forever a Wildcat and fully support Coach Snyder.”

EMAW. - Jordan Willis

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article154220839.html

That's all good, but it has nothing to do with what's been going on the last few days.  The issue is, if it's designed to weed players how, what's the point of continuing to punish them on their way out by not releasing them?  It appears the current policy is designed to do the exact opposite of weeding out.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2017, 04:10:19 PM
Gotta think the "weed" reference was only used at Snyder's direction to remind the family about the drug test thing again.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
Stop doing illegal crap. Snyds just wants to make sure you turn out to be a fine youngster. I know MIR likes to talk massa stuff, but his whole LB'ing core got into the snow in 2003/4 and he kicked their ass and kept it under wraps. They just decided not to transfer, because he was making sure it didn't get out. I'm sure he feels cheated for giving the kid a chance and then him rough ridin' him. Ho hum, snyders a giant prick slave master!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
I think Snyds calling out the drugs is irl illegal as well (or against some rules of some kind anyway). And Snyds only wants to win football games and get Sean his job. That's about 100% of what he wants.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on June 03, 2017, 04:57:54 PM
And I also 100% only want the first part of that as well so I love Bill obv
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 03, 2017, 05:01:19 PM
I think Snyds calling out the drugs is irl illegal as well (or against some rules of some kind anyway). And Snyds only wants to win football games and get Sean his job. That's about 100% of what he wants.

DOD Snyder would have never said anything to the media besides "I do what I want with my program."

And I love Snyder too. A lot.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 05:06:52 PM
I think those things too SD. I don't think he's a total monster tho. Not sure why ppl are trying to make it a race thing, because Sutton used the slave thing. I won't reveal names, but I know white KS boys who had it way worse from Snyder vs Sutton. He just doesn't like it when you break the law and feels like he's their parent when they leave home. :dunno: I guess they rather have a Nick Saban who doesn't gaf, but they're not good enough to play for him. Snyder is already doing them a favor.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 05:11:24 PM
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/corey-sutton-2638

We're the only P5 offer he received and he's trying to crap on the program. I get his point, but.... "You're welcome, crap head!"-Snyder
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Tobias on June 03, 2017, 05:52:17 PM
wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 03, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
If Snyder felt he was doing the right thing from the outset, it's unethical of him to do the wrong thing and release the dude only because he was taking some heat for it.  Gotta stand up for your principles.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
Bill has shown on multiple occasions that he is a pos human being and I'm getting tired of it tbh.  He isn't a good enough coach to openly parade the fact that he is a piece of crap.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
Usually when you're a TP and get beat out so you blame the program for your failure. Nobody knew he was a POS behind the scenes (sutton). Stop breaking the law! Bill has released a lot of trouble makers, but he's also been really good at keeping crap in house. He's old school and doesn't release the reasons why, but today's age of social media is forcing him to defend himself. I don't blame him. He's sick of getting crap on without defending himself.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
I actually love a loose Bill, as all of you should. It's amazing and I want more! :love:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kim carnes on June 03, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
wacky, where's your line drawn at as to how good you need to be before you're allowed to speak?
Usually when you're a TP and get beat out so you blame the program for your failure. Nobody knew he was a POS behind the scenes (sutton). Stop breaking the law! Bill has released a lot of trouble makers, but he's also been really good at keeping crap in house. He's old school and doesn't release the reasons why, but today's age of social media is forcing him to defend himself. I don't blame him. He's sick of getting crap on without defending himself.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 03, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
 :lol: Carnes!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2017, 11:05:51 PM
It's just a lot of vague comments on Facebook and talking about how they could say so much and the fans wouldn't believe....

For the record, I'm sure it is strict as hell, ridiculous, demanding, and at times downright awful to play for Bill. I will not ever dispute that.

I just think they should try to do something about it.

There is nothing to do. The ones that didn't like it enough and had options left. I've heard plenty myself and I think it's just part of the inner workings of all college football programs. For many and I'd even say most playing high level college football has tons of benefits, but there are going to be guys that don't fit. I think the coaches for the most part are about developing guys as people, but ultimately they have to win and compete; some players are going to get lost in the shuffle in that process. Also, many of those guys have great memories of competing with teammates and most have great relationships with their position coaches and coordinators.

Exactly, they aren't torching Snyder because they, for the most part, enjoyed their time here. They loved their teammates and the coaches. Bryce is the only one that seems like he pretty much hated everything.

It's hard for a lot of fans to understand but to the players, Kansas State Football is a whole hell of a lot more than LHC Bill Snyder.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 03, 2017, 11:06:57 PM
Stop doing illegal crap. Snyds just wants to make sure you turn out to be a fine youngster. I know MIR likes to talk massa stuff, but his whole LB'ing core got into the snow in 2003/4 and he kicked their ass and kept it under wraps. They just decided not to transfer, because he was making sure it didn't get out. I'm sure he feels cheated for giving the kid a chance and then him rough ridin' him. Ho hum, snyders a giant prick slave master!

What?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Pett on June 04, 2017, 11:37:11 AM
As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyds. Regardless, I will always be #TeamSnyds

Gtfo prima donna
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 04, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2017, 12:10:40 PM

Not much funnier than a 40+ year old feeling like they need to sub-tweet a 19 year old who was once part of your fake #family.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 04, 2017, 12:12:30 PM

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2017, 12:14:40 PM
:lol:

Someone with common sense at KSU: "JFC, give the kid the release, send out a stupid statement and get this behind us."

Andre: "Nope!"
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2017, 12:15:34 PM
:lol:

Someone with common sense at KSU: "JFC, give the kid the release, send out a stupid release and get this behind us."

Andre: "Nope!"

I must tweet out quotes that 23 year old new teachers put in their email signatures.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 04, 2017, 12:26:58 PM
Sutton is a moron.

Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta

oh good grief MIR.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 04, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Andre Coleman is a moron. Big one.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Tobias on June 04, 2017, 12:38:02 PM
holy crap that is embarrassing :lol:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: ELL3 on June 04, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Kenn Wealand Coleman
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: kso_FAN on June 04, 2017, 01:10:43 PM
Meh.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KITNfury on June 04, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
I'm glad he got his release, other than that I can't really get worked up at all about any of this
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...

Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.

Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta

oh good grief MIR.

You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.

Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.

CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2017, 02:01:22 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 04, 2017, 02:19:10 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

happens multiple times a year
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 02:19:59 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

Kietzman suggested that Currie forced Snyder to grant releases.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2017, 02:21:07 PM
Allan Evridge!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 02:22:20 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

happens multiple times a year

So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
Allan Evridge!
That was Prince, Evridge played in '05.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: chum1 on June 04, 2017, 02:31:58 PM
crap! That was the only one I could think of.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 04, 2017, 02:33:38 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

happens multiple times a year

So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?

Yes that seems likely
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 02:43:17 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

happens multiple times a year

So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?

Yes that seems likely

Or is it more likely that you're assuming that these dudes who are transferring are actually getting releases? You know they aren't the same thing, right?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: wetwillie on June 04, 2017, 02:47:40 PM
Have there been many transfers from KSU? Sams I remember but it's hard to think of any others. Kinda crazy this hasn't come up before.

happens multiple times a year

So was LHC Bill Snyder just joking when he said he doesn't grant releases?

Yes that seems likely

Or is it more likely that you're assuming that these dudes who are transferring are actually getting releases? You know they aren't the same thing, right?

Rusty asked if many transfers happen from KSU, not how many players are released to transfer freely to the college of their choosing.  If he was asking how many instances are similar to corey's then I wouldn't know the answer. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: michigancat on June 04, 2017, 02:54:01 PM
I am wondering who has transferred from KSU without restriction to other FBS schools. I really can't think of anyone.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2017, 04:03:50 PM
Lol, I am enjoying all the comparisons to Nick Saban.   Sure that guy is an ass, yeah he called one guy a quitter.   But that's not implying that a kid failed 2 drug tests. 

I think Saban cares more about his guys than people think. 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2017, 04:07:36 PM
Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 04:48:32 PM
Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.

Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2017, 05:00:40 PM
Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.

Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.

Hockey?  I just found out a couple weeks ago that what I thought were the local minor league professional (?) hockey teams had 16-year-olds playing on it.  Maybe those kids aren't getting paid, but that would surprise me given the way it's marketed.  It's the "western hockey league" if you need to see what I'm talking about.

Maybe I'm wrong, but football and basketball seem to be the only ones force kids into college, and thus into all those ridiculous rule systems.  Baseball'rs are only forced to stay in if they choose to go in.  I know basketball'rs as of late can go play in china or whatever instead of doing a fall semester at a college.

If you play golf or tennis or you ski or swim or whatever of that ilk, do whatever you want.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 05:20:02 PM
Football and basketball coincidentally seem to have much more restrictive paths for young talent to follow on their way to making money with that skill than every other sport.

Not basketball, just football. Basketball and hockey are pretty similar, baseball isn't terribly different.

Hockey?  I just found out a couple weeks ago that what I thought were the local minor league professional (?) hockey teams had 16-year-olds playing on it.  Maybe those kids aren't getting paid, but that would surprise me given the way it's marketed.  It's the "western hockey league" if you need to see what I'm talking about.

Maybe I'm wrong, but football and basketball seem to be the only ones force kids into college, and thus into all those ridiculous rule systems.  Baseball'rs are only forced to stay in if they choose to go in.  I know basketball'rs as of late can go play in china or whatever instead of doing a fall semester at a college.

If you play golf or tennis or you ski or swim or whatever of that ilk, do whatever you want.

High school basketball players absolutely can go play in another league other than the NBA then get drafted. You have to be 18 to be eligible for the NHL draft, 20 if you're not a North American. The kid who will win what is their version of the rookie of the year played in Switzerland in 15-16 as a 17 year old. Those kids are playing what's called major junior hockey and in most cases aren't NHL eligible.

The NFL has no competing league anywhere in the world, hockey has non NHL leagues willing to pay kids a couple of dollars all over the world. An 18 year old can become a millionaire playing basketball anywhere he wants to, other than the NBA. You and your fellow NFL fans should point the finger right at your league and the government that has legislated the monopoly.

Of course tennis and golf have no real bearing on this conversation given they are individual sports, but it's worth noting the major leagues in those sports also have minimum entry requirements as well.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2017, 05:22:38 PM
That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds.  Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey.  Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts.  There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year.  In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: DKmode500 on June 04, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
Personally, I've heard the 'darker' tales of what occured/occurs under Snyder in Vanier behind closed doors. The problem our fans have with dealing with it or believing it is we have propped Snyder up to Sainthood status who does nothing remotely wrong or questionable to his players, nor does he always treat his players fairly. The ongoing dialogue on Chris Harpers fb wall isn't surprising or really all that concerning to me. Snyder can be a raging Dick to his players and despite the public image, reallu isn't much different than any other succesful ball coach. It is what it is. I've also heard plent of positive impressions and good stories from players about their time under Snyder. But no he's not a friendly grandpa figure that always treats his kids right or does the right thing.

 But again, i don't think how he truly runs his program is really that much different than most others in some regards.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Trim on June 04, 2017, 06:17:05 PM
That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds.  Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey.  Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts.  There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year.  In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.
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That's pretty much the impression I had.  So I'd say hockey is closer to baseball as far as a path around college and to getting paid for services.  Basketball's starting to have more options, but with most being overseas, something that probably doesn't feel like a realistic option to many.  I'd say football is worst, with basketball a level not as bad, and everything else way easier for prospects to avoid being forced playing for free in college if they don't want to.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cire on June 04, 2017, 06:36:32 PM
Lamark wasn't granted a release until going before review board.

Sutton was being a dick


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2017, 07:55:27 PM
Lamark wasn't granted a release until going before review board.

Sutton was being a dick


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Sutton had already gone before the review board.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cire on June 04, 2017, 07:56:05 PM
Oh, I misread


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
I am  :lol:  at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.

Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: DKmode500 on June 04, 2017, 08:39:52 PM
I am  :lol:  at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.

 Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..

 Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 04, 2017, 09:14:44 PM
That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds.  Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey.  Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts.  There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year.  In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.

That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.


Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TheHamburglar on June 04, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds.  Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey.  Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts.  There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year.  In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.

That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.


Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.

Interesting.  My statement was purely off a conversation I had with an ECHL player in Tulsa.  I asked him how he ended up in Tulsa.  He said he played for Moose Jaw in that league & called it semi-pro.  I mostly remembered because of Moose Jaw.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 04, 2017, 11:47:32 PM
I am  :lol:  at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.

 Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..

 Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole

Well, thanks for all of that.  We've talked about these things for a long time, and how LHC Bill Snyder, like so many successful college coaches has people conned.   There's no doubt that he's generally a good dude, but I also know, and we've seen he can be a ridiculously over-the-top DB. Holding guys rent checks, causing undue hardship on players, withholding awards, purposely (IMO) not promoting players more when they deserve it, is not cool.   There's also a very hardcore "you're not really hurt" culture inside K-State football with Snyder and this staff, it's very old school.     




Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 09emaw on June 05, 2017, 12:49:39 AM
 Bryce Brown was/is a Prima Donna so I really take no stock in anything he says. Many of the players and coaches I have talked to don't exactly paint the most flattering picture of Snyder. That being said, I have known many former players at different universities and very few have flattering things to say about their coaches absent that they made me the best player I could be. The coaches have a job to do, I'm in no way advocating for mistreatment, but they're not there to be friends either.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2017, 01:31:07 AM
That's a semi-pro league for 16-21 year olds.  Once you play in that league you can't play NCAA hockey.  Some of those guys are also on NHL developmental contexts.  There's 3 leagues at that level in Canada and they have a cross-league championship at the end of the year.  In Canadian areas that have those teams, they'll have followers similar to how we follow college teams, though not in the same number of people.

That's pretty accurate but juniors is not semi pro, the North American semi pro leagues are the AHL, ECHL, FHL, NAHL, and SPHL. Juniors are 16-20 and they are separate from the previously mentioned North American pro hockey structure. In fact North American junior hockey has it's own hierarchy the three leagues spoke of, WHL (league that trim is talking about), CHL, and QMJHL are the major leagues and the two USHL and NAHL are a step lower and they retain college eligibility. You mentioned the players on NHL developmental contracts but there are some on full blown NHL contracts.


Anyway, were all talking around the same thing, the NCAA is not the enemy, in this case anyway, and there's no racist structure holding down the poor black kids who want to make some cash; well no one but the NFL anyway.

Interesting.  My statement was purely off a conversation I had with an ECHL player in Tulsa.  I asked him how he ended up in Tulsa.  He said he played for Moose Jaw in that league & called it semi-pro.  I mostly remembered because of Moose Jaw.

Oilers, gross. He must have aged out of major juniors. I believe at that point they're just free agents.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: DOD Take 2 on June 05, 2017, 12:54:00 PM
I am  :lol:  at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.

 Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..

 Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole

I hate FB so I'm probably doing something wrong but I don't see any comments from Diles, Sams, Chapman or Guidry. I see the ones from Snipes, Brown, Harper, etc but I don't see them all. Would someone mind screen-shotting anything interesting?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 05, 2017, 12:54:47 PM
I am  :lol:  at the people going on to the FB thread to tell the guys who actually played how wrong they are.

 Some of it yes. But on flip side some of those players are acting like because they hated it, everyone did/does..

 Bryce Brown chirping off about how horrible it was is a joke. That kid was unbelievably lazy and wanted everything handed to him and then went off the rails when Hubert started over him. I don't really care how mistreated he felt he was, there are still two sides to everything and Brown has his own crap he probably doesn't want people airing about him. Again, not trying to defend Snyder. Some other comments, especially Diles comments make you just shake your head at Snyder. But like I said, I've heard a lot of these types of stories about Snyder that don't make him out to be the classiest coach in America as some fans religously proclaim. On the other hand I've heard of plenty of things that Snyder does do right for his players and just in general. I think he's a goofd man, but also just that .....a man, like anyone else has a lot of flaws and can be incredibly difficult to work/play for and yes can be a giant ahole

I hate FB so I'm probably doing something wrong but I don't see any comments from Diles, Sams, Chapman or Guidry. I see the ones from Snipes, Brown, Harper, etc but I don't see them all. Would someone mind screen-shotting anything interesting?

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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: DOD Take 2 on June 05, 2017, 01:09:00 PM
Nevermind I'm a dumbass.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 05, 2017, 04:45:53 PM
As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...

Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.

Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta

oh good grief MIR.

You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.

Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.

CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.

I called him a moron because a lot of his beef seemed to be about playing time, and had he studied the program for one second he would've known that outside of a few players like Tyler Lockett, freshmen don't get to play much. A clumsy defense is a great way of putting it. It obviously made Snyder and Coleman look worse, but Sutton came off as whiny, that's all I was saying.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 05, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
As soon as the term "slavemaster" was tweeted I was #TeamSnyder. Regardless, I will always be in love with Snyd's...

Gtfo prima donna
Sutton is a moron.

Yessa masta, he'a betta know his place betta

oh good grief MIR.

You guys, not just you two but people in general, have this hang up on slavery analogies. I mean I understand why you guys do, but the hang up exists nonetheless.

Obviously, the dude isn't a slave and Snyder isn't a slave master, obviously. However, I'd be curious to know of another situation where a group of people perform physical tasks for free or well below market rate, while the person they perform them for achieve maximum profits but the person performing the tasks have little to no freedom of movement. The NLOI program and NCAA's transfer rules absolutely have elements of indentured servitude, not sorry that makes you uncomfortable. It is an embarrassment that there is a system in place that restricts student athletes from getting scholarships from whomever wants to give them one. It's even more of an embarrassment that our football coach, who claims to be a champion of young people, put his personal interests ahead of what is clearly the right thing to do.

CF3 you called him an idiot because he clumsily defended himself against a man 55 years his senior that is treated like he's a supreme being in the world these two guys live in. Should he have just shut his mouth and stay in his lane? If he would have done that it seems like he would have never gotten the release he deserved to get.

I called him a moron because a lot of his beef seemed to be about playing time, and had he studied the program for one second he would've known that outside of a few players like Tyler Lockett, freshmen don't get to play much. A clumsy defense is a great way of putting it. It obviously made Snyder and Coleman look worse, but Sutton came off as whiny, that's all I was saying.

I didn't get the same impression about playing time but, he did get passed on the depth chart the spring before his sophomore season, that isn't good. Lockett or anyone else has no bearing on his situation, not the least bit relevant.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Cire on June 06, 2017, 07:21:16 AM
Whose Facebook page?


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 09emaw on June 06, 2017, 08:10:06 AM
Whose Facebook page?

Chris Harper's

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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: libstradamus on June 06, 2017, 08:22:04 AM
281-330-8004
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
What is that.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 06, 2017, 09:24:02 AM
back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot hoes all on me
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 09:29:37 AM
Mike who?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 06, 2017, 10:49:16 AM
What is that.

Not what but who
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 11:01:19 AM
What is that.

Not what but who
I hope to hell it is not Suttons number.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
Just pretend I posted in the shame yourself thread
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 11:04:31 AM
Also I just irl put my head down. Sheesh
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: joda on June 06, 2017, 11:29:11 AM
Maybe Snyds was just extra grumpy from the cancer treatment. Sutton=Pinkman :dunno:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: OK_Cat on June 06, 2017, 12:51:36 PM
This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SdK on June 06, 2017, 01:01:05 PM
#Family
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Brock Landers on June 06, 2017, 01:11:00 PM
This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons


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Just like Penn State's fanbase!
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 06, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
Or any other school. Sometimes I think it's funny that some ppl think k-state is worse in this category vs the rest. There's tucks everywhere.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: meow meow on June 06, 2017, 01:32:04 PM
This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons


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Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Big Sam on June 06, 2017, 05:27:52 PM
This fanbase will defend an old piece of crap for the strangest reasons


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Just like Penn State's fanbase!

Not sure if I will go full on Penn State here.  I'm sure tucks such as myself would defend Snyder for most anything.  However, actively allowing an assistant/ex-assistant to use team facilities and his position as a way to bring in young boys to rape them, even the most over the top KSU fan might just draw the line there.

Maybe.

At least I hope so. 

Crap.  Now I 'm not so sure.  This sucks.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 06, 2017, 06:42:27 PM
If you gave them plausible deniability and a scapegoat
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on June 07, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
If you gave them plausible deniability and a scapegoat

Yeah, John Currie would be the most hated man in Kansas.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: 'taterblast on June 23, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
So if I understand how it works he didn't even need a release. Or is app state D1 now?
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Skipper44 on June 23, 2017, 03:13:20 PM
App State is in the Sun Belt so I think they are D1 ish at least. 

The whole release thing is so you can get on scholarship immediately IIRC and I am not sure if no release keeps that from happening if you go down
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: steve dave on June 23, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
Ok, thanks
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: libstradamus on June 23, 2017, 04:20:23 PM
App state moved up a few years ago
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 23, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
here's an Appalachian State did you know: they are a mold research institute  :Wha:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 23, 2017, 07:25:26 PM
But really solid stade choice, Corey. If you're gonna go Sun Belt, pick one in the mountains with permanent bleachers on all four sides and an upper deck :love:

Coincidentally I was just ogling pix of ASU's newish hoops stade a few minutes ago, pretty interesting place. I'm sure our #ForeverQat Corey Sutton will enjoy many games there during Appalachian Mold fooboo offseason.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Yard Dog on June 28, 2017, 08:30:35 AM
Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised.  :frown:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: TownieCat on June 28, 2017, 08:39:19 AM
Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised.  :frown:

Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Yard Dog on June 28, 2017, 09:25:09 AM
Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised.  :frown:

Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.

Oh dang, good call. I'll have to catch him balling around the field against Penn St. in next year's opener. . .if I even remember who he is by that point.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: KITNfury on June 28, 2017, 09:37:55 PM
Do you think he will be in the system / on the field by the Georgia game? I am not sure any of his other games will be televised.  :frown:

Even with the release he still has to sit out the entire 2017 season.

Oh dang, good call. I'll have to catch him balling around the field against Penn St. in next year's opener. . .if I even remember who he is by that point.
I didn't even know who he was when this all started
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: cfbandyman on June 28, 2017, 10:25:25 PM
here's an Appalachian State did you know: they are a mold research institute  :Wha:

Well penicillin turned out to be kinda a big deal
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MakeItRain on June 28, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Solid as a rock and proud as a peacock
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: bones129 on June 29, 2017, 12:30:52 AM
Ron Prince played for Appalachian State...FWIW.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: MadCat on June 29, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
I must have missed this show on ABC's TGIF.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Dlew12 on June 29, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
remember that time appy st beat Michigan? 
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: scottwildcat on June 30, 2017, 01:42:07 PM
remember that time appy st beat Michigan? 

i do.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Skipper44 on July 03, 2017, 09:48:40 AM
remember that time appy st beat Michigan? 

i do.
the first game broadcast on the big ten network :lol:
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: troubledscribe on December 15, 2018, 11:29:29 PM
Going to finish the season with 10 TDs and 700+ yards
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: Oyster_Trousers on December 16, 2018, 02:00:34 AM
 :lynchmob:
Going to finish the season with 10 TDs and 700+ yards

Good for him.  His ceiling here was (liberally) 2 for 300 this season.
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: bucket on June 05, 2019, 03:00:23 PM
Title: Re: Corey Sutton
Post by: PurpleOil on June 06, 2019, 06:48:40 AM
remember that time appy st beat Michigan?

'tis my favorite Appalachian State memory.