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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: MakeItRain on April 23, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
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Does this mean anything to any of you? It was probably the news event of my lifetime that had the greatest effect on me along with the Murrah Building bombing and the Challenger explosion.
There are several documentaries this week devoted to the subject including one on the History Channel tonight. I wonder how others experienced this. I was 16 years old in Garden City and I really had no one to share my feelings with. It was a rollercoaster of sadness and anger, even a little bit of relief as I felt like I lived a little bit through the civil disobedience.
I'll be interested to see where my emotions will go reliving this through much older eyes this week.
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It means almost nothing to me. On the same scale as when Kurt Cobain killed himself.
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I'm 28. So I don't remember any of this. 9/11 was my defining life event
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In retrospect it reminds me of some of the examples of police shootings where the example might be flawed (terribly flawed in many cases) but become a touchstone for people to show their frustrations with a broken system. It's sad when people focus on the bad examples instead of the systematic problems that allowed these events to occur.
Also I found the intersections of OJ's case on the People V OJ and Rodney King to be really fascinating. I knew there were some, but to hear the jurors put in so starkly was very interesting.
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Was only an infant. Very interested to watch some of these documentaries though. Have never heard the story from non middle aged white republicans.
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those koreans weren't rough ridin' around
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I learned a lot on the O.J. made in America doc and various other documentaries.
I can't really add more to the dialogue as I was 6 years old. I am curious to ask friends and family what their take was.
Also curious to ask them about what was going on in my life. Military family. Thanks for the discussion points and the tangent it took me too.
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those koreans weren't rough ridin' around
Really makes sense what Walt said on lost.
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I remember thinking that the beating, acquittal and subsequent rioting were all kind of mildly crappy. In retrospect, I think I was kind of young and naive on the police and acquittal stuff and should have been more angered by them.
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If nothing else I hope that this week teaches people that the LAPD verdicts were the match that lit the fire instead of the entire cause.
This history channel doc is doing a great job of showing the framework although they've yet to explore the issues between the Koreans and the blacks before the riots.
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I was pretty young, but remember thinking the cops getting off was pretty mumped up. I don't remember any feelings on the riots other than wtf
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http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/la-riots-deaths/
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http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/249152966-story
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MiR I'm curious to see how small town KS viewed it and what kinds of pressure/views/narratives were impressed upon you.
Also side note, what about the OKC bombing effected you?
All at your discretion.
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MiR I'm curious to see how small town KS viewed it and what kinds of pressure/views/narratives were impressed upon you.
Also side note, what about the OKC bombing effected you?
All at your discretion.
There was no pressure, narratives, or views I'm sure for most people that may as well be in Liberia. There were no conversations at all about it, not even an "I wish those people would stop." There was one person, a teacher at the high school, that I would have had a conversation with about this, he was very socially conscious and like-minded, but I didn't have that type of relationship with him at that point.
As far as the Murrah Building bombing, I was born in OKC and lived there until I was 10. My parents got divorced, mom remarried and moved to Kansas. My dad worked in that building at one time, I spent time in there as a young kid. I had an aunt in the building at the time of the explosion, she was thrown out of her chair and broke her leg. My great aunt, who essentially was a grandmother to me growing up, lived a short distance from there. That neighborhood was gentrified for Bricktown, that's another story for another day though.
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This history channel doc is doing a great job of showing the framework although they've yet to explore the issues between the Koreans and the blacks before the riots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwA0UwnuS8
the Latasha Harlins incident pushed things over the edge
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At the time, it meant almost nothing to me. Not that it wasn't important but I grew up in a very small town, was around 11, and barely watched tv(we had 3 channels, 4 on good days). I remember hearing about it and seeing a couple news clips about it. It was a world away at that time and I was more confused about it than anything.
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https://youtu.be/N-LB94Kwlws
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don't remember it. the OJ Made in America documentary might have been the first time i really learned anything substantial about it.
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i thought it was in miami (thanks bradley :curse: )
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"Burn [redacted] Burn" on HBO was really good. Went from the 65 Watts riots thru 1992.
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I was only 12 but I remember vividly what happened to Reginald Denny. That was scary crap.
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Anyone that was so young that they don't remember just needs to listen to Sublime's, April 29th 1992 song. This will catch you up on it. Sorry, I was to lazy to post for you.
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Anyone that was so young that they don't remember just needs to listen to Sublime's, April 29th 1992 song. This will catch you up on it. Sorry, I was to lazy to post for you.
i thought it was in miami (thanks bradley :curse: )
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I was too busy making out with chicks on the playground when all of this stuff happened. I have no idea what it is. I might look into it.
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i thought it was in miami (thanks bradley :curse: )
also confusing is he screwed up the date in the lyrics of the song when sings April 26th, 1992 in the original version (which I purchased for a penny, thanks BMG!)
My favorite parts of the song are the samples and it appears the cop ones are actually real Long Beach PD radio transmissions from the riot. Here is a somewhat interesting article about those locations in Long Beach and what is there now
http://www.ocweekly.com/music/we-check-up-on-the-long-beach-addresses-in-sublimes-riot-song-april-29-1992-miami-6603037 (http://www.ocweekly.com/music/we-check-up-on-the-long-beach-addresses-in-sublimes-riot-song-april-29-1992-miami-6603037)
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"Burn [redacted] Burn" on HBO was really good. Went from the 65 Watts riots thru 1992.
Unfortunately it's on Showtime not HBO, it's the only documentary I've heard of that I can't see.
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i was pretty young at the time but definitely being relatively close-ish at the time (phoenix) seemed like it was all over the place as far as news/pop culture
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I was only 12 but I remember vividly what happened to Reginald Denny. That was scary crap.
Yeah that is burned in to my mind.
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MiR thanks for your perspective on both events.
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I vaguely remember cops beating the crap out of a serial felon high on pcp at the conclusion of a high speed chase thst unnecessarily risked the lives of countless people. I recall a bunch of people burning down the shittiest part of l.a., but never considered that a significant event in history for non l.a. residents.
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You've never in your life driven drunk, fsd?
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Never on a highway at a high rate of speed?
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SDK, I was like 10yr old. Just telling you what I remember. I also conflate the event with the OJ crap show, which probably undermines the significance of the events.
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I was just curious of the ground your standing on that justifies a beating of someone driving under the influence.
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You know what, maybe I misread. Does your opinion remain the same of the events now that you are not 10?
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I was just curious of the ground your standing on that justifies a beating of someone driving under the influence.
He wasn't just drunk, he was driving 80 through neighborhoods and a convicted felon.
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You know what, maybe I misread. Does your opinion remain the same of the events now that you are not 10?
I didn't formulate an opinion then, and generally don't have one now. I'm fine with cops beating the crap out of people who reckless endanger the lives of innocent people.
I don't believe it to be a significant event in history.
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Ok. Thanks.
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I vaguely remember cops beating the crap out of a serial felon high on pcp at the conclusion of a high speed chase thst unnecessarily risked the lives of countless people. I recall a bunch of people burning down the shittiest part of l.a., but never considered that a significant event in history for non l.a. residents.
You remember all of that but don't consider it a significant event for non LA residents?
SDK, I was like 10yr old. Just telling you what I remember.
I didn't formulate an opinion then, and generally don't have one now.
I don't believe it to be a significant event in history.
:dunno: :confused:
You're always been a pretty substandard troll/sock. The potential is there but you just aren't quite sharp enough to pull it off.
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I remember Sonny Bono bouncing his head off an Aspen and don't consider that a signisignificant event for non-bono family/friends.
Don't get mad that I disagree with you, and no reason to get nasty. I understand how important it is for you to find deep meaning and significance in anecdotal events among complete strangers thousands of miles away.
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Tries too hard to be edgy
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I remember Sonny Bono bouncing his head off an Aspen and don't consider that a signisignificant event for non-bono family/friends.
Don't get mad that I disagree with you, and no reason to get nasty. I understand how important it is for you to find deep meaning and significance in anecdotal events among complete strangers thousands of miles away.
What do we disagree about? I'm just trying to figure out what you remember and whether or not to believe the opinions you said you have no opinions about. Lots of memories and opinions about a non significant event from a 10 year old.
I didn't know crap about felons and pcp at 10.
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The funny thing is I actually believe that you don't remember anything about the riots. Your first post about it we full of nonsense; king wasn't on pcp when he got beaten, he only had what was found to be "traces of alcohol and marijuana." They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
You didn't have to lie about those being your memories at 10, we already know you're an ignorant dipshit with no drive for actually acquiring knowledge.
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
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Watched it unfold on the tube. More of a rinse and repeat moment in history, imho.
I refuse to let the actions of others define/affect me.
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The most chilling moment was when that guy smashed the truck driver in the face with a brick. The first time I had ever witnessed such violence, and not a cop to be seen. It was disgusting.
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
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The most chilling moment was when that guy smashed the truck driver in the face with a brick. The first time I had ever witnessed such violence, and not a cop to be seen. It was disgusting.
Saw in one of the docs that the police were instructed to stay the hell out. Like they were staged blocks away ready to bring some order and they were told not to intervene. That's about the riots as a whole. Not just that incident.
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
You asked what people remembered and I told you. Turns out he died from od'ing on pcp, so that got jumbled in there. Again, no reason to get mad or nasty.
I really don't recall anything about the riots, and if you're more than 6 blocks from the ocean, there really aren't any nice parts of l.a.
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
You asked what people remembered and I told you. Turns out he died from od'ing on pcp, so that got jumbled in there. Again, no reason to get mad or nasty.
I really don't recall anything about the riots, and if you're more than 6 blocks from the ocean, there really aren't any nice parts of l.a.
He drowned and Beverly Hills is closer to the location of the riots than it is to the ocean. You must be the world's most blissful person.
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I remember footage but do not remember it being discussed much.
Great wiki page to read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
INTERESTING FACT I LEARNED (AMONG MANY): Katy Tur's dad was a helicopter reporter that shot the Denny beating and changed genders not long ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoey_Tur
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so what we've learned is that most people here from small towns in kansas have little to no recollection of the los angeles riots of the early 90's as they were too young and too distant from the events despite nearly a billion dollars worth of property damage occurring
not all that surprised. i remember them well, but i am old balls and love los angeles.
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I remember talking about them in school a lot. I went to a pretty mixed raced school at the time. I'd love to hear more about why it was so significant to you MIR. I remember them well but there isn't much long term impact for me
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
You asked what people remembered and I told you. Turns out he died from od'ing on pcp, so that got jumbled in there. Again, no reason to get mad or nasty.
I really don't recall anything about the riots, and if you're more than 6 blocks from the ocean, there really aren't any nice parts of l.a.
He drowned and Beverly Hills is closer to the location of the riots than it is to the ocean. You must be the world's most blissful person.
Blissful:
Rodney King's death in June was the result of accidental drowning, although alcohol, cocaine, marijuana and PCP found in his system were contributing factors, authorities said Thursday.
King, whose beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 was caught on camera and sparked riots after the acquittal of the four officers involved, was found dead in the swimming pool at his Rialto, California, home on June 17, authorities and his fiancee said. He was 47.
King was "in a state of drug and alcohol-induced delirium" and "either fell or jumped into the swimming pool," said the autopsy report released by the San Bernardino County coroner Thursday.
Family, friends remember Rodney King at funeral
"The effects of the drugs and alcohol, combined with the subject's heart condition, probably precipitated a cardiac arrhythmia and the subject, thus incapacitated, was unable to save himself and drowned," the autopsy summary said. "There is nothing in the history or autopsy examination to suggest suicide or homicide, and the manner of death is therefore judged to be accident."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/rodney-king-autopsy/
MIR: I want to discuss something, unless you disagree with me, then I'll personally attack you, because I'm angry and mean and generally just regurgitating crap I heard.
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
You asked what people remembered and I told you. Turns out he died from od'ing on pcp, so that got jumbled in there. Again, no reason to get mad or nasty.
I really don't recall anything about the riots, and if you're more than 6 blocks from the ocean, there really aren't any nice parts of l.a.
He drowned and Beverly Hills is closer to the location of the riots than it is to the ocean. You must be the world's most blissful person.
Blissful:
Rodney King's death in June was the result of accidental drowning, although alcohol, cocaine, marijuana and PCP found in his system were contributing factors, authorities said Thursday.
King, whose beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 was caught on camera and sparked riots after the acquittal of the four officers involved, was found dead in the swimming pool at his Rialto, California, home on June 17, authorities and his fiancee said. He was 47.
King was "in a state of drug and alcohol-induced delirium" and "either fell or jumped into the swimming pool," said the autopsy report released by the San Bernardino County coroner Thursday.
Family, friends remember Rodney King at funeral
"The effects of the drugs and alcohol, combined with the subject's heart condition, probably precipitated a cardiac arrhythmia and the subject, thus incapacitated, was unable to save himself and drowned," the autopsy summary said. "There is nothing in the history or autopsy examination to suggest suicide or homicide, and the manner of death is therefore judged to be accident."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/rodney-king-autopsy/
MIR: I want to discuss something, unless you disagree with me, then I'll personally attack you, because I'm angry and mean and generally just regurgitating crap I heard.
We haven't disagreed on anything, you just keep typing incorrect "facts," I correct you, you whine. You stated that he ODed on PCP, I know reading is difficult for you but what you just posted contradicts that he ODed on PCP, he drowned just like I said he did.
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I remember talking about them in school a lot. I went to a pretty mixed raced school at the time. I'd love to hear more about why it was so significant to you MIR. I remember them well but there isn't much long term impact for me
The larger significance to me was for the first time I was forced to take a look at race and the role it played in the country and in my life. Because of a combination of my age and where I spent the previous six years of my life, I was kind of ignorant of such things. Black people, at the time were such a non-entity in Garden City, that I was on a racial island. There were lots of conversations about the Hispanic and the Southeast Asian communities but I had nothing. The Rodney Kind video, and subsequent evidence of how the officers viewed King and black people in general, made me scared, the verdict made me angry. The only outlet I had was to go home after working at Dillon's every day and watching television.
Honestly it was the event that led me to explore what it was to be black in America, it pushed me out of a shell; to use a term from today, I got woke, real quick.
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My spanish teacher in 8th grade was a cop during the riots and had a framed front page of the L.A. Times on the wall. It had a huge photo of him dragging a rioter on the ground. I didn't think much of it of the time but in retrospect that was pretty mumped up to proudly frame.
This was in 1998 btw, and the school he taught me at was in Guam (not close to L.A. for low pacific island IQ people.). Recalling all that just now I wonder if he got fired over that picture? That's a big career change/move in a few years timespan
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They also didn't "burn for down the shittiest part of l.a." unless you consider multiple parts the shittiest part.
Come on now, they didn't burn place he would ever step foot in, so to him they were the shitty parts of town.
FSD the kind of dude who would have gone to the Cat's game at USC till he saw the driving directions and he was afraid of making a wrong turn south of campus.
Most of the fires weren't in South Central, they were in Koreatown which is 10 miles away from "the hood."
You asked what people remembered and I told you. Turns out he died from od'ing on pcp, so that got jumbled in there. Again, no reason to get mad or nasty.
I really don't recall anything about the riots, and if you're more than 6 blocks from the ocean, there really aren't any nice parts of l.a.
He drowned and Beverly Hills is closer to the location of the riots than it is to the ocean. You must be the world's most blissful person.
Blissful:
Rodney King's death in June was the result of accidental drowning, although alcohol, cocaine, marijuana and PCP found in his system were contributing factors, authorities said Thursday.
King, whose beating by Los Angeles police in 1991 was caught on camera and sparked riots after the acquittal of the four officers involved, was found dead in the swimming pool at his Rialto, California, home on June 17, authorities and his fiancee said. He was 47.
King was "in a state of drug and alcohol-induced delirium" and "either fell or jumped into the swimming pool," said the autopsy report released by the San Bernardino County coroner Thursday.
Family, friends remember Rodney King at funeral
"The effects of the drugs and alcohol, combined with the subject's heart condition, probably precipitated a cardiac arrhythmia and the subject, thus incapacitated, was unable to save himself and drowned," the autopsy summary said. "There is nothing in the history or autopsy examination to suggest suicide or homicide, and the manner of death is therefore judged to be accident."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/rodney-king-autopsy/
MIR: I want to discuss something, unless you disagree with me, then I'll personally attack you, because I'm angry and mean and generally just regurgitating crap I heard.
We haven't disagreed on anything, you just keep typing incorrect "facts," I correct you, you whine. You stated that he ODed on PCP, I know reading is difficult for you but what you just posted contradicts that he ODed on PCP, he drowned just like I said he did.
You are a lunatic
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My spanish teacher in 8th grade was a cop during the riots and had a framed front page of the L.A. Times on the wall. It had a huge photo of him dragging a rioter on the ground. I didn't think much of it of the time but in retrospect that was pretty mumped up to proudly frame.
This was in 1998 btw, and the school he taught me at was in Guam (not close to L.A. for low pacific island IQ people.). Recalling all that just now I wonder if he got fired over that picture? That's a big career change/move in a few years timespan
I wonder if the teachers were military employees.
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A lot of them were locals but this guy and a few others may have been. It was on an air force base.
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They were DOD employees then.
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They were DOD employees then.
True, but you still pretty much have to be a certified teacher, although there may be some exceptions/differences overseas.
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They were DOD employees then.
True, but you still pretty much have to be a certified teacher, although there may be some exceptions/differences overseas.
They're regular ass civilian teachers their checks just say DOD on them. It's not like they went from basic training to the classroom still in fatigues.
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:sdeek:
Howard Epstein, a 45-year-old white man, was shot and killed Thursday, April 30, 1992, near Slauson and 7th avenues in Hyde Park.
Epstein, who had flown from his Northern California home to check on his South Los Angeles metal manufacturing business, was struck in the head by a bullet that apparently came from a pickup truck that had pulled alongside his car.
His car careened into a liquor store parking lot, where a crowd quickly gathered. Onlookers broke into applause when someone yelled that the dead driver was white, witnesses said, and Epstein's cellular telephone, camera, briefcase and pistol were stolen.
Hostility was so intense after the shooting of Epstein that detectives towed away the Epstein's Thunderbird while his body was still behind the wheel -- an unusual step.
Source: MIR's link to the L.A. Times archive.
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:frown:
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Fascinating subject. What a complete failure by Gates and the LAPD. I watched the Smithsonian Channel one last night and will probably watch A&E's tonight and maybe more when they come out.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/25/492994148/five-films-look-at-the-l-a-riots-from-almost-every-angle
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what failure by gates/lapd are you referring to?
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what failure by gates/lapd are you referring to?
All of them! But mostly large scale. Their significant contribution toward creating an environment that would cause people to want to riot.
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They were DOD employees then.
True, but you still pretty much have to be a certified teacher, although there may be some exceptions/differences overseas.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.syracuse.com%2Fnews%2Fphoto%2F2014%2F04%2Fprezteachingjpg-faf527f15e1a7bce.jpg&hash=86080ff1352497e5f18aaf01edb912238db9cdb3)
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what failure by gates/lapd are you referring to?
All of them! But mostly large scale. Their significant contribution toward creating an environment that would cause people to want to riot.
that's a tough one. i think you have to look a lot higher up the food chain than the LAPD. they're an easy target, for sure. but imo in my opinion, imo, they didn't create the environment at all. they were players in the game but this crap goes well beyond daryl gates and i don't think he could have done a thing to prevent the riots. he got paid to protect the neighborhoods that he and his superiors lived in and frequented and that's what they did. watts burned just fine in the 60's without any help from dg.
i'm not trying to say that i don't think that the lapd wasn't complicit but gates and the lapd didn't sit on that jury in simi valley and deliver the verdict
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well the lapd beat the crap out of rodney king
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well the lapd beat the crap out of rodney king
they beat the crap out of a lot of people of color
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what failure by gates/lapd are you referring to?
All of them! But mostly large scale. Their significant contribution toward creating an environment that would cause people to want to riot.
that's a tough one. i think you have to look a lot higher up the food chain than the LAPD. they're an easy target, for sure. but imo in my opinion, imo, they didn't create the environment at all. they were players in the game but this crap goes well beyond daryl gates and i don't think he could have done a thing to prevent the riots. he got paid to protect the neighborhoods that he and his superiors lived in and frequented and that's what they did. watts burned just fine in the 60's without any help from dg.
i'm not trying to say that i don't think that the lapd wasn't complicit but gates and the lapd didn't sit on that jury in simi valley and deliver the verdict
America being America led to the riots.
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that's pretty much it
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9/11 and OKC bombing (which there is a good documentary on Netflix about it) are the two things in my mind are most there. I would be too young to remember the riots. I also remember the white ford bronco of OJ, but not really knowing the meaning other than like everyone talking about.
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From my youth, Columbine is the news story that probably impacted me the most.
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9/11 for me. We sat in the library, the senior class, and watched the news all day.
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From my youth, Columbine is the news story that probably impacted me the most.
Yup, 9/11, columbine, and then in college I was super interested in the DC sniper. Probably the closest I've ever followed a news story as it was happening.
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what failure by gates/lapd are you referring to?
All of them! But mostly large scale. Their significant contribution toward creating an environment that would cause people to want to riot.
that's a tough one. i think you have to look a lot higher up the food chain than the LAPD. they're an easy target, for sure. but imo in my opinion, imo, they didn't create the environment at all. they were players in the game but this crap goes well beyond daryl gates and i don't think he could have done a thing to prevent the riots. he got paid to protect the neighborhoods that he and his superiors lived in and frequented and that's what they did. watts burned just fine in the 60's without any help from dg.
i'm not trying to say that i don't think that the lapd wasn't complicit but gates and the lapd didn't sit on that jury in simi valley and deliver the verdict
America being America led to the riots.
There are lots of contributing factors to a riot in any city. Police are one. The degree to which the police are a contributing factor varies. The LAPD had a relatively high degree of contribution.
DG's mentor was chief during Watts and it was the same crap.
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The Showtime doc I referenced earlier spelled it out pretty good. The indictment on Gates was that he could have gone in sooner and probably squashed the riot before it really got going but did not cause he wanted to show people what it would be like without his police force doing what they do in the hood.
As for Gates he was a protege of the previous Chief that was a giant racist douche. That is why after the riots when Gates was pushed out they went outside the department for a new chief. The Mayor and Council felt that the entire force was so corrupt that they had to go outside.
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From my youth, Columbine is the news story that probably impacted me the most.
Oh yeah, forgot that one. Shouldn't have forgot it but alas i did :frown:
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The Showtime doc I referenced earlier spelled it out pretty good. The indictment on Gates was that he could have gone in sooner and probably squashed the riot before it really got going but did not cause he wanted to show people what it would be like without his police force doing what they do in the hood.
As for Gates he was a protege of the previous Chief that was a giant racist douche. That is why after the riots when Gates was pushed out they went outside the department for a new chief. The Mayor and Council felt that the entire force was so corrupt that they had to go outside.
whether or not gates could have slowed the riots is not really an indictment that the riots were his fault. racial tension in los angeles and across the country had come to a boiling point and were going to release eventually. the rioters weren't going after koreans and vice versa because of daryl gates and the lapd.
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A big indictment of Gates and the LAPD is all of the talk about them from the black community in relation to the cause of the riot. Those people are not just making things up, looking for a scapegoat. They know why they are outraged.
I get the impression that the LAPD was quite a bit worse than average in areas like racial discrimination and excessive force. But even if all police departments were equally bad, the LAPD could still be blameworthy.
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Roger Guenveur Smith's spoken word "Rodney King" on Netflix is very good. Takes a little getting used to at first, but hard to turn away from once he gets going.
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Saying the riots were the effect of America being America bails LA out on two very crucial things the city did very wrongly, both rooted in the 40s through the 60s. The first was the housing discrimination crisis and the second was how Gates' mentor viewed blacks and Hispanics who were victims of the housing discrimination. They pushed all of the Mexican migrants and blacks moving into LA to escape the Jim Crow South. William Parker was an awful racist and he ran the department that way and it continued under Darryl Gates. The neighbourhoods that backs and Mexicans were crammed into weren't policed, they were treated like occupations. This is what Parker said about the influx of blacks into LA.
"They came in and flooded a community that wasn't prepared to meet them, despite the fact that we got all this relief money going in there," Parker said. "We didn't ask these people to come here."
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LA 92 on national gel at 10 tonight is pretty good
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LA 92 on national gel at 10 tonight is pretty good
Just watched and it was very good. I don't remember the Korean's arming themselves to protect their shops like they did. Crazy.