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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: renocat on April 14, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
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This guy looks.too nice, oscarery. Does he have a history of hiring and firing? Romance, for how long?
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From Hawkeye officialized website...
"The 2013-14 NDSU men's basketball team posted a 26-7 record, won the Summit League regular season and post-season tournament championships, and advanced to the third round of the 2014 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament by beating Oklahoma. NDSU's volleyball and softball teams have also been regular participants in NCAA post-season competition with softball advancing to the 2009 Super Regional."
He knows about winning basketball. Will he put Weber's butt to the fire? Good chance IMWO.
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If he's the AD, he has the power to fire Oscar now. The body of work is there for all to see. None of us had to give Oscar 5 years to figure out if he could do the job. All we had to do was look at his record at the place that had just fired his ass.
BITB and Stanbot are convinced that ADGT just has to take Oscar aside and ask him, "What do I need to do to help you improve the talent level at KState?" The answer to that question is simple. Oscar will say, "I don't want to get my hands even a little dirty bringing in Jacob Pullen-type kids."
So, ADGT will easily know right away to fire Oscar.
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Nebraska basketball coach Tim Miles has a message for Kansas State fans as the prepare to meet new athletic director Gene Taylor - expect a lasting first impression.
"The first game I remember him being at as my athletic director was awesome," Miles said in a phone interview. "I'm walking behind the refs at halftime and Gene is leaned over in the stands just giving it to them, yelling, 'You guys are awful!' It was amazing."
Good. Hope to see Meandog Gene hollering at courtside lighting up the east side heathens. Gone is the Church of the Curdog.
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Quick, someone send our new AD a video of the end of the Texas Southern game.
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He's gonna let the students sandstorm their rough ridin' asses off!
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He's gonna let the students sandstorm their rough ridin' asses off!
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Until the dipshits eff it up again.
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Quick, someone send our new AD a video of the end of the Texas Southern game.
good grief, stop. We almost lost to Florida International under Frank's watch. Stop pin pointing games after he made the tourney. oscar is douche, but he rebounded from that: just like Frank.
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Lol
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I don't remember frank missing the tourney 3 years in a row. I must just have some missing memories in this great memory of mine.
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The Big O is 21-33 in Big 12 games in the last three seasons
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The Big O is 21-33 in Big 12 games in the last three seasons
Good grief stop randomly picking games
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https://twitter.com/coachbruceweber/status/853000577428725761
The empty Bramlage behind Oscar is appropriate.
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Good grief Ptolemy. Change the record.
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As soon as Gene buys a house, oscar will be mowing the lawn.
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Good grief Ptolemy. Change the record.
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THIS is why Veatch should have fired Oscar's incompetent ass.
Now we have an AD, finally, and he now has to go through the tedious process of "evaluating" a sitting head coach that most of the fan base knows is not up to the task of winning at the Power 5 level.
This task should have been handled before we hired the new AD because the capabilities of Oscar WERE NOT IN QUESTION.
This university is REALLY dumb when it comes to basketball. It's embarrassing.
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I don't remember frank missing the tourney 3 years in a row. I must just have some missing memories in this great memory of mine.
I don't recall oscar doing it either. Sounds like you have a shitty memory to me.
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I don't remember frank missing the tourney 3 years in a row. I must just have some missing memories in this great memory of mine.
I don't recall oscar doing it either. Sounds like you have a shitty memory to me.
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It's actually v good, thanks.
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lol. You dumbfuck. Frank missed the tourney his first 4 years at South Carolina. That also wasn't what you were implying. Get over your little dick syndrome with me.
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I mean I wasn't wrong :dunno:
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Also, half of Ptolemy 697 posts are about the rough ridin' Texas Southern game. It's so rough ridin' bizarre.
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kinda early in the week for a meltdown
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I mean I wasn't wrong :dunno:
You were. You first implied that Frank had never done it and you were trying to make a jab at oscar missing 3 years in a row at K-State, which was also wrong.
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No meltdown on this end, just missed TBT's false smartass comment back to me in this thread.
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You really do live and die by this board, this has just been eating at you. Sad.
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:facepalm:
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It was only a matter of time before wacky went back to being all in on oscar.
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Did he ever abandon oscar?
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Good grief Ptolemy. Change the record.
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THIS is why Veatch should have fired Oscar's incompetent ass.
Now we have an AD, finally, and he now has to go through the tedious process of "evaluating" a sitting head coach that most of the fan base knows is not up to the task of winning at the Power 5 level.
This task should have been handled before we hired the new AD because the capabilities of Oscar WERE NOT IN QUESTION.
This university is REALLY dumb when it comes to basketball. It's embarrassing.
Hobby sport? :dunno:
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you don't abandon your #myguy
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Did he ever abandon oscar?
Not really, but he came up for air for a bit.
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All in on facts and non dumbassery. Demanding the new AD come in and fire oscar immediately is embarrassing. Especially after we just gave him a "vote of confidence" for this upcoming year. Let the rough ridin' man setup his office first. Jesus.
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I think giving him a to-do list should be one of the first things he should get imo
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Such language...and the day after Easter.
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oscar has like 1 more year left on his contract. This guy knows wtf he's doing.
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I'm sure Gene's top priority is reading and worrying about what some random people are saying on a message board. Definitely worth getting IRL flustered about for sure
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Relax everyone, it's Monday!
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/854005789450788864
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:emawkid:
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oh man. talk about making an entrance.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/854005789450788864
Well, thats crap :buh-bye:
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WHY?!?!?!?!
:dubious: :shakesfist: :Crybaby: :bawl: :facepalm: :bang:
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Never in doubt.
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article145018284.html
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Not too concerned about the extension. If Weber sucks this year he'll get fired.
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Not too concerned about the extension. If Weber sucks this year he'll get fired.
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He won't get fired next year.
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http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article145018284.html
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The extension better come with a drastic pay cut. :dubious:
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We are such losers
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Guy doesn't even start until May 1 and he's already got a crap ton of stuff to do. Can't even let the guy settle in
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#fireMyers
#firewhateverthenewADnameis
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Traveling. Listening to Soren on WHB. He said they are negotiating an extension for Oscar. ????? I dang near drove into the ditch. Make him earn it. Starting with spring recruits. One or two of new Bigas will have broken foots. So more attackMeat is needed.
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"Honey, go ahead and get that new mower"
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Maybe Oscar promised Gene he'd cheat his ass off??
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Why would the general guy do this right after hiring an AD? Also, is this general guy a huge dumbass?
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He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
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He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
But Oscar can't recruit.
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Maybe Oscar promised Gene he'd cheat his ass off??
Could you imagine how LOL Oscar would be if he tried to cheat? He'd probably blame a booster or AAU coach in a press conference after a loss or something equally dumb.
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He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
But Oscar can't recruit.
His recruiting has been the least of his issues here.
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His recruiting has been the least of his issues here.
Not for a Power 5 conference job. His substandard recruiting is why his team is picked to finish 9th in a 10 team conference in his 5th year.
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:facepalm:
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Bunch of low-mediums losing their crap about a meaningless extension. Chicat is apparently the only non-dumbass analyzing this situation. This is not a long-term commitment to oscar, regardless of your stance on whether that would be good or bad. They are protecting their asset by making sure that the cupboard is not completely bare when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State. They will support Oscar publicly until the day that they fire Oscar publicly. This isn't hard.
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when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State.
"inevitably?" Why would he leave? He takes $2mil of our money and blames everyone else for all his failures. We suffer through three straight losing conference records and a 0.500 5-yr conference record and we extend him purportedly to give him leeway to do something (recruit) he has proven to be unable to do?
What am I missing here?
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You're missing the obvious PR move here, Ptolemy. Stop with the broken record crap that we already know.
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Lol why is this so hard to understand. Veatch and meyers already stated support. The new AD has no option here. If he doesnt extend, oscar cant recruit and the program gets even worse. He already sucks at recruiting but jesus this isnt difficult. It sucks, but Taylor had nothing to do with it. It would be a horrible idea to get on bad terms with the univ pres this early by firing him without warning. Quit being dumbasses
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We could probably get some better recruits if we tell them they won't have to play for a loser after next year
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You're missing the obvious PR move here, Ptolemy. Stop with the broken record crap that we already know.
PR move? I thought it was for recruiting? WTH?!?!
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You're missing the obvious PR move here, Ptolemy. Stop with the broken record crap that we already know.
PR move? I thought it was for recruiting? WTH?!?!
I dont see how the two are mutually exclusive. I hate oscar too but the second currie left was the nail in that coffin.
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I dont see how the two are mutually exclusive. I hate oscar too but the second currie left was the nail in that coffin.
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KU recruits well. Their PR absolutely sucks.
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Isn't it a thing for coaches to get extensions before getting canned?
Happened to Jeff Fisher at least..
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/854005789450788864
Finally! Should have happened months ago.
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Isn't it a thing for coaches to get extensions before getting canned?
Happened to Jeff Fisher at least..
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Not right before they get canned.
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KStateMBB needs to get new unis that have the name under the number on the back so that I could get a custom 4eva one. At the end of the day, I don't think I could go through with carving into my own flesh.
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He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
Yeah, even if that stability is an illusion, athletics admin generally is going to follow similar procedures. It is what it is, but there is no reason to question Taylor because of this.
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I wish people would quit implying that oscar's ability to recruit is better than his ability to coach
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He will be extended, paid about the same, and it will cost about the same to fire him. All of it is just to ensure he has some appearance of stability in order to recruit.
Yeah, even if that stability is an illusion, athletics admin generally is going to follow similar procedures. It is what it is, but there is no reason to question Taylor because of this.
Could hold out hope that the extended years are lower base and higher in incentives really just easier to cut your losses later. :crossfingers:
Maybe but if they go too far in that direction, they might as well fire him
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Bunch of low-mediums losing their crap about a meaningless extension. Chicat is apparently the only non-dumbass analyzing this situation. This is not a long-term commitment to oscar, regardless of your stance on whether that would be good or bad. They are protecting their asset by making sure that the cupboard is not completely bare when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State. They will support Oscar publicly until the day that they fire Oscar publicly. This isn't hard.
Doing this now, in this manner for recruiting, doesn't hold water. If they were interested in the '17 recruits went why wait so long? This was clearly Myers decision, so if the recruits were so important why leave oscar publicly twisting with his job status for two weeks, then wait another three to leak, not even formally announce, an extension? As for the '18 recruits, we don't even have a scholarship opening up for '18 right now.
Stop acting like this is s.o.p. even if the contract is, the way this has been handled certainly isn't and should be scrutinized.
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No base salary raise and only incentive raises then :don'tcare:
Yep.
Give him 2.05 mil (same as this year) and incentives for a top 3 Big 12 and/or round of 32.
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If a recruit is smart enough to look at their prospective coaches contract situation before signing you would think they would be smart enough to realize that an extension is just a game played because it is perceived to help recruiting but is actually meaningless in regards to job security. Right?
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If a recruit is smart enough to look at their prospective coaches contract situation before signing you would think they would be smart enough to realize that an extension is just a game played because it is perceived to help recruiting but is actually meaningless in regards to job security. Right?
I think that is why Laird gave oscar a vote of confidence.
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Right?
Right.
I assume that any recruit that agrees to play for oscar's 'cats has no other options at this level and/or is pretty stupid anyway.
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I mean, if he hasn't been fired yet, it should be clear to everyone that he will be here as long as he feels like it. Might as well give him the contract.
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Summary statement: Kansas State Men's Basketball is in a world of hurt for the foreseeable future.
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I mean, if he hasn't been fired yet, it should be clear to everyone that he will be here as long as he feels like it. Might as well give him the contract.
It still isn't clear to many people on this board that oscar doesn't have to do much to keep his job
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They don't call this place dumbasscity.com for nothing
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No base salary raise and only incentive raises then :don'tcare:
Yep.
Give him 2.05 mil (same as this year) and incentives for a top 3 Big 12 and/or round of 32.
Why not just give a small raise for appearance stake.
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Myers should be impeached.
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So who in the hell is he, Oscar, recruiting that warranted giving him an extension to make it look like he is going to be here until he croaks. No one shows us in the running for anybody. Even knotheads are choosing other programs. That Raynere Thornton guy chose Memphis over us. That like choosing sex with your grandma rather than choosing KState Bessy. Everyone is having hot flashes and big Oscargasms about last year's record, but forget the noncon puds. I still get ill thinking about the Oklahoma game. I guess I am dirt stupid. In RenoCounty you don't get rewarded for doing crap work.
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Bunch of low-mediums losing their crap about a meaningless extension. Chicat is apparently the only non-dumbass analyzing this situation. This is not a long-term commitment to oscar, regardless of your stance on whether that would be good or bad. They are protecting their asset by making sure that the cupboard is not completely bare when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State. They will support Oscar publicly until the day that they fire Oscar publicly. This isn't hard.
Doing this now, in this manner for recruiting, doesn't hold water. If they were interested in the '17 recruits went why wait so long? This was clearly Myers decision, so if the recruits were so important why leave oscar publicly twisting with his job status for two weeks, then wait another three to leak, not even formally announce, an extension? As for the '18 recruits, we don't even have a scholarship opening up for '18 right now.
Stop acting like this is s.o.p. even if the contract is, the way this has been handled certainly isn't and should be scrutinized.
I agree that it could have been handled better, but basketball recruiting begins the summer after a player's sophomore year. How is the staff supposed to recruit the '19 class without this extension?
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Bunch of low-mediums losing their crap about a meaningless extension. Chicat is apparently the only non-dumbass analyzing this situation. This is not a long-term commitment to oscar, regardless of your stance on whether that would be good or bad. They are protecting their asset by making sure that the cupboard is not completely bare when Oscar inevitably parts ways with K-State. They will support Oscar publicly until the day that they fire Oscar publicly. This isn't hard.
Doing this now, in this manner for recruiting, doesn't hold water. If they were interested in the '17 recruits went why wait so long? This was clearly Myers decision, so if the recruits were so important why leave oscar publicly twisting with his job status for two weeks, then wait another three to leak, not even formally announce, an extension? As for the '18 recruits, we don't even have a scholarship opening up for '18 right now.
Stop acting like this is s.o.p. even if the contract is, the way this has been handled certainly isn't and should be scrutinized.
Oh, I'm not saying K-State executed it correctly, I just think it's what we're attempting to do.
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I mean, if he hasn't been fired yet, it should be clear to everyone that he will be here as long as he feels like it. Might as well give him the contract.
It still isn't clear to many people on this board that oscar doesn't have to do much to keep his job
There's a pretty strong contingent of r-tards on this board who think oscar and Woolridge have had equally successful tenures at k-state.
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I mean, if he hasn't been fired yet, it should be clear to everyone that he will be here as long as he feels like it. Might as well give him the contract.
It still isn't clear to many people on this board that oscar doesn't have to do much to keep his job
There's a pretty strong contingent of r-tards on this board who think oscar and Woolridge have had equally successful tenures at k-state.
No there isn't (although so far they've won an equal amount of ncaa tourney games)
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This is bullshit. I don't know wtf they are considering "extending" him, but there's no good reason imo. No recruit worth his dick will want to come play for this nightmare of a program that isn't getting BETTER, it's stalling out and getting WORSE. Mediocre to poor coaches (and programs) do not get top recruits.
The best approach to a gangrenous limb is to cut it off and get to the healing.
Good Lord.
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Who you hiring right this second, grainer?
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i hate oscar but can we not call a team that won a play-in game a "nightmare program"? seems a bit dramatic.
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Who you hiring right this second, grainer?
eric musselman at Nevada might come for the $2M we are paying oscar - he just hired ex LSU HC Johnny Jones who is a super connected guy in DFW
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bonus points for the gangrenous limb take tho
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
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Maybe they know new logo will explode and we'll be a mid-major soon.
We could succeed with oscar as our coach in the Mountain West.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
improvement because he lowered expectation first
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i hate oscar but can we not call a team that won a play-in game a "nightmare program"? seems a bit dramatic.
It's the fact that we had to get in via a play-in game that's got me. I don't understand people who think this kind of low bar is acceptable.
I am old. I've been watching KSU basketball since Jack Hartman. I remember Lon as a player. I attended games in Ahearn. I saw Mitch Richmond and Charlie Bledsoe play. And most in between then and now, except for a stretch when I lived out of state and was busy climbing the professional ladder (Asbury years plus a few, so not entirely sorry I was gone from the arena at that time).
And it's been up and it's been down during that time, for sure. But my standards are higher than what we've got going on now. And to be honest, I just don't like BW. I don't like his style of play, I don't like how he "handles" the team, I don't like what comes out of his mouth in press conferences. So, I'm biased - I'll give you that.
But I know this University can do better. I remember the pre-Bill football. I was there in person. The university decided to do better, found a guy who could do it, and put some serious donations behind it and look at us now. There's no excuse for us to find our current .500 and below status, not making the tourney in a legit way (play-in is not legit in my book) as "good enough" to me.
That's it.
And with Underwood now moved again, not sure who I'd pick. But I agree with the general sentiment that him leaving the Big 12 is a more realistic way for us to get him headed back to MHK. At this point, I would consider about anyone with a decent pedigree for a year or two. Crean would have been worth a thought for short term at the very least.
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And - just for the record - I was never a Frank groupie. He was a little rough around the edges on the sidelines for my tastes. But I'm certainly glad for him for what he has accomplished at S Carolina, and hold no ill will towards him. And I'd certainly take him over what we have now.
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^^^ making it grain in here
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Who you hiring right this second, grainer?
At this point, anyone would be better than Oscar Weber.
Anyone.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
Not true. When Currie ran Frank off, I admitted the truth, that we were topped-out offensively under Frank. It was time for an upgrade.
But going with a just-fired-for-losing Big 10 coach was the wrong answer.
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Sounds like Ptolemy is a Coach K/Coach Cal or bust kinda guy.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
Not true. When Currie ran Frank off, I admitted the truth, that we were topped-out offensively under Frank. It was time for an upgrade.
But going with a just-fired-for-losing Big 10 coach was the wrong answer.
That Big 10 loser of a coach then proceeded to win a Big 12 title.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
Not true. When Currie ran Frank off, I admitted the truth, that we were topped-out offensively under Frank. It was time for an upgrade.
But going with a just-fired-for-losing Big 10 coach was the wrong answer.
That Big 10 loser of a coach then proceeded to win a Big 12 title.
Where he then proceeded to lose as a 4 seed in a de facto home game to La Salle.
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*Sweet 16 team La Salle.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
The thing about getting a little bit better every day is that it only really works when you don't have some days where you get a whole lot worse.
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
Folks here don't want improvement, they want Frank.
Not true. When Currie ran Frank off, I admitted the truth, that we were topped-out offensively under Frank. It was time for an upgrade.
good grief
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i hate oscar but can we not call a team that won a play-in game a "nightmare program"? seems a bit dramatic.
It's the fact that we had to get in via a play-in game that's got me. I don't understand people who think this kind of low bar is acceptable.
I am old. I've been watching KSU basketball since Jack Hartman. I remember Lon as a player. I attended games in Ahearn. I saw Mitch Richmond and Charlie Bledsoe play. And most in between then and now, except for a stretch when I lived out of state and was busy climbing the professional ladder (Asbury years plus a few, so not entirely sorry I was gone from the arena at that time).
And it's been up and it's been down during that time, for sure. But my standards are higher than what we've got going on now. And to be honest, I just don't like BW. I don't like his style of play, I don't like how he "handles" the team, I don't like what comes out of his mouth in press conferences. So, I'm biased - I'll give you that.
But I know this University can do better. I remember the pre-Bill football. I was there in person. The university decided to do better, found a guy who could do it, and put some serious donations behind it and look at us now. There's no excuse for us to find our current .500 and below status, not making the tourney in a legit way (play-in is not legit in my book) as "good enough" to me.
That's it.
And with Underwood now moved again, not sure who I'd pick. But I agree with the general sentiment that him leaving the Big 12 is a more realistic way for us to get him headed back to MHK. At this point, I would consider about anyone with a decent pedigree for a year or two. Crean would have been worth a thought for short term at the very least.
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Grainer, it makes me sad that some KSU Purple Cat fans don't want the best. Some people are just infected with complacent mediocrity loser syndrome (CMLS). I enjoyed this post, fwiw. Welcome to gE!
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You know what helps recruiting? Winning games. Players don't care about coaches contract extensions, because they know at any moment, the coach could leave for a different job, get fired for whatever reason, and they can transfer if they don't like it. So, extending him for the sake of recruiting is complete bs. It should be the other way around, when he recruits better and wins games, then we will extend him. Not extend his contract so he can recruit better and win games. We gave him 5 years to do that already. If he does so next year, then we can extend him. If not, then contract is up, we go our separate ways. We've given him everything he has needed to be successful, and then some. It's time for him to produce. And First Four is not producing. That is getting by barely, and I do mean barely.
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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oscar has improved two seasons in a row.
How hard is it to improve upon a losing record? We didn't lose to N. Colorado this year, talk about improvement.
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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In the recruiting thread, someone I admire and respect is saying that the last scholarship is going to a glorified no name MeatGrunt. So to the "Give Oscar an Extension so he can recruit" crowd, HOG SPIT!!!! Diamonds in the rough, cast offs from other teams and jucojunk ain't deserving of an extension. To hell with what is a standard practice in College basketball. Kstate whizbanging sports executives laid a dog turd on that aurguement by not canning Weber. I don't want the 5 star women and car beaters like KU, but sheesh a power five coach should be able to get a 4 star. I need to rip off a big fart, and try to back to sleep .......