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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Kat Kid on March 30, 2017, 10:20:13 PM
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I'll take the NIT title thank you very much.
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for sure
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I would absolutely rather lose in the first round of the tournament than win the nit and it isn't particularly close. I watch the nit and I have no idea who won it last year. I could absolutely list every P5 school who made last year's tournament.
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Would rather hang a banner.
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Not that one, ewww. There's no chance you'd wear a NIT Champions t-shirt. The NIT was cool Huggins' year because of the terrible drought we were in, and it's cool for TCU for the same reason.
You can't want oscar out then say you'd be happy with a NIT run. I feel like oscar would own the crap out of the NIT.
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Nit. Proves that that you are the half full champions.
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I'll take the NIT title thank you very much.
Uhhh no.
Looks better getting into NCAA Tourney as any seed. Our Frosh/Soph got to play 2 games in the "actual tournament" and hopefully that experience will help in 18' & 19'
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I would absolutely rather lose in the first round of the tournament than win the nit and it isn't particularly close. I watch the nit and I have no idea who won it last year. I could absolutely list every P5 school who made last year's tournament.
This is a v. good point.
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Congrats to TCU on winning the Motel 6 Cactus Bowl of postseason basketball tournaments.
Would much rather make the field of 64.
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gross kat kid, just gross
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An NCAA Rnd of 64 loss is always better, but an NIT title for a program that hasn't been to the NCAAs since 1998 and hasn't even been to the NIT since 2005 (CBI in 2012) is a good thing. An NIT title for a program that has been in the NCAAs regularly for a decade and has an Elite 8 in that time frame is pretty worthless and sad.
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An NCAA Rnd of 64 loss is always better, but an NIT title for a program that hasn't been to the NCAAs since 1998 and hasn't even been to the NIT since 2005 (CBI in 2012) is a good thing. An NIT title for a program that has been in the NCAAs regularly for a decade and has an Elite 8 in that time frame is pretty worthless and sad.
how many 'ships does our program have? so many we turn our nose up at an NIT title?
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No way in hell could I name every P5 tourney team from last season
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I don't think I could name them from this season without cheating.
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An NCAA Rnd of 64 loss is always better, but an NIT title for a program that hasn't been to the NCAAs since 1998 and hasn't even been to the NIT since 2005 (CBI in 2012) is a good thing. An NIT title for a program that has been in the NCAAs regularly for a decade and has an Elite 8 in that time frame is pretty worthless and sad.
how many 'ships does our program have? so many we turn our nose up at an NIT title?
Fair.
And I know I'd get caught up in it and be going way overboard about an NIT title.
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An NCAA Rnd of 64 loss is always better, but an NIT title for a program that hasn't been to the NCAAs since 1998 and hasn't even been to the NIT since 2005 (CBI in 2012) is a good thing. An NIT title for a program that has been in the NCAAs regularly for a decade and has an Elite 8 in that time frame is pretty worthless and sad.
how many 'ships does our program have? so many we turn our nose up at an NIT title?
#notmychampionship
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and of course an NIT 'ship would still fit perfectly in to anyone's pre-fab narrative with just as much ease as a first four.
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This is the dumbest argument of all time. I rather lose by 30 in the opening round of the tourney vs winning the shitty NIT.
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so which would you guys have preferred this year in our situation?
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so which would you guys have preferred this year in our situation?
Exactly what just happened. Listening to ppl bitch about oscar winning a NIT is "such a oscar thing to do" would have been painful BBS'ing.
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Winning the NIT used to be springboard for teams making the NCAA the following season, but not recently. In the past 8 seasons only 2011 WSU and 2013 Baylor made the NCAA the next season.
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so which would you guys have preferred this year in our situation?
On one hand, shitty games going through the end of march? :flush:
On the other hand, could've had a proper season finale for sergio.
Back to the original hand, scheme shut their doors for all those deep nit games.
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that's two more votes for ksu would be better off if they just won the nit
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NIT title is lame but lots of good programs have won one.
would take.
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Winning the NIT is about equal to losing in the second round to me
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NCAA tournament appearances are the gold standard for basketball currency. NIT is like bitcoin.
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TCU will be better than us next year....no question...
so will about 6 or other teams in the league... Oh and Oklahoma.
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I'll take the First Four 'ship thank you. :cheese:
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TCU will be better than us next year....no question...
so will about 6 or other teams in the league... Oh and Oklahoma.
Hot rough ridin' take bookcat
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what a weird thing to debate
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Would you rather have an NIT Championship or one of your women players win the 3pt competition?
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Only the bluest of the blue have both an NCAA and an NIT so it's a good start.
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I would absolutely rather lose in the first round of the tournament than win the nit and it isn't particularly close. I watch the nit and I have no idea who won it last year. I could absolutely list every P5 school who made last year's tournament.
you watch the NIT? why?
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Would you rather have an NIT Championship or one of your women players win the 3pt competition?
The biggest accomplishment is being in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Nobody is watching the first four, NIT, or college 3 pt contests.
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No way in hell could I name every P5 tourney team from last season
I believe in you
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Winning the NIT used to be springboard for teams making the NCAA the following season, but not recently. In the past 8 seasons only 2011 WSU and 2013 Baylor made the NCAA the next season.
I remember laughing at South Carolina for winning it back to back under Dave Odum.
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Would you rather have an NIT Championship or one of your women players win the 3pt competition?
I love Kindred so much, my favorite WBBer OAT.
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I would absolutely rather lose in the first round of the tournament than win the nit and it isn't particularly close. I watch the nit and I have no idea who won it last year. I could absolutely list every P5 school who made last year's tournament.
you watch the NIT? why?
How is it any different than watching a K-State vs. Texas Tech regular season game?
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i caught four or five of them this year, its basketball? :dunno:
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Winning the NIT used to be springboard for teams making the NCAA the following season, but not recently. In the past 8 seasons only 2011 WSU and 2013 Baylor made the NCAA the next season.
I remember laughing at South Carolina for winning it back to back under Dave Odum.
Back to back NIT Champs!
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I would absolutely rather lose in the first round of the tournament than win the nit and it isn't particularly close. I watch the nit and I have no idea who won it last year. I could absolutely list every P5 school who made last year's tournament.
you watch the NIT? why?
How is it any different than watching a K-State vs. Texas Tech regular season game?
I would never watch K-State vs Texas Tech if I didn't go to K-State. You enjoy the game much more than I do. I can appreciate that.
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Why settle for 69th when 68th is available? :excited:
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An NCAA Rnd of 64 loss is always better, but an NIT title for a program that hasn't been to the NCAAs since 1998 and hasn't even been to the NIT since 2005 (CBI in 2012) is a good thing. An NIT title for a program that has been in the NCAAs regularly for a decade and has an Elite 8 in that time frame is pretty worthless and sad.
how many 'ships does our program have? so many we turn our nose up at an NIT title?
It depends a little on where your program is that year. Even with us picked 9th in the preseason poll, no one was gonna be thrilled with NIT champs on Nov 1. Even more so when we were at 4-3 in the B12 late January.
For TCU, it's a cool thing for them. They finished strong after being 3-10 to finish B12 Reg Season
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The NIT championship would be more fun. Making the tournament is a bigger deal for the program, though.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
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What is a bigger accomplishment? Summiting K2 or dying at the Mount Everest base camp?
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K2
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
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^ actual irl post
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What is a bigger accomplishment? Summiting K2 or dying at the Mount Everest base camp?
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I think the better analogy would be whether it is a bigger accomplishment to lose in the first round of the CFB Playoff or to win the Beef O'Brady's Bowl.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
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What is a bigger accomplishment? Summiting K2 or dying at the Mount Everest base camp?
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I think the better analogy would be whether it is a bigger accomplishment to lose in the first round of the CFB Playoff or to win the Beef O'Brady's Bowl.
Not at all. Good grief.
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I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
You must have loved oscar's OOC scheduling this year then.
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Nope. Hated it. Winning the NIT and getting to watch Wes play longer would have been more fun for me than watching the cats get beat by Cincy.
Equating that to not wanting to win a natty is absurd.
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KSU got an NCAA participation trophy this year. The team could have ended the season with a win and a title.
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"Let's just let the kids have fun in a consolation tournament instead of competing to win it all."
I'm starting to get why oscar is coming back next year. :facepalm:
We don't deserve Frank.
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You keep making false equivalencies.
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No one, not I not anyone, wants and NIT title over and NCAA title.
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You are the one who believes last year's team could have won it all.
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I am saying the team played as expected and could have played longer and won more games. Who gives a crap about a few more swatches of paint. To think that changes anything about the state of the program is a joke.
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I'm saying that trying to win it all, even if you fail, is always better than winning a consolation prize.
Pullen wasn't going to settle for NIT when he played for Frank. Try telling him it would have been better to just go to the NIT than lose to Whisky in the round of 32.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
Wait, I may be wrong but didn't you, wacky, and dax spend most of the season comparing K-State and South Carolina?
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And I'm saying that this past seasons dance appearance doesn't matter. It will never matter.
I'd hope the players always get to play their seasons out how they want. As a fan, I'd rather watch as many games as I can.
I would have enjoyed watching the team achieve something. Losing the round of 64 isn't an achievement.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
Wait, I may be wrong but didn't you, wacky, and dax spend most of the season comparing K-State and South Carolina?
And i was way wrong. That what you brought this up for? Good grief.
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I heard a stat that every year but 1-2 since they have had a MacDowels game tha the NCAA champion has had at least one burger boy on the roster.
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
No crap? Good for them and their ww2 vet roster. I didn't even think they would make the nit.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
Wait, I may be wrong but didn't you, wacky, and dax spend most of the season comparing K-State and South Carolina?
And i was way wrong. That what you brought this up for? Good grief.
No, I brought it up because they were a bubble team that nearly won it all. You said "This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke." When a team, according to some, weren't any better than K-State nearly won it all. It can't be both, which is more correct?
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I don't think anyone here is saying they would rather make the NIT than the field of 64. Just with hindsight, it would have been a lot more fun to win the NIT than it was to lose in the first round.
Does anyone really believe that we would have won the NIT, though? I really don't think we would have.
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
Wait, I may be wrong but didn't you, wacky, and dax spend most of the season comparing K-State and South Carolina?
And i was way wrong. That what you brought this up for? Good grief.
No, I brought it up because they were a bubble team that nearly won it all. You said "This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke." When a team, according to some, weren't any better than K-State nearly won it all. It can't be both, which is more correct?
Is a 7 seed a bubble team?
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As the 26th team selected they weren't even close to a bubble team:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6wEITrWYAA4mQE.jpg:large)
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who said that usc wasn't any better than k-state?
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
I thought it was TCU.
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
I thought it was TCU.
:peek:
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
I thought it was TCU.
What's the difference
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A lot of trolls outing themselves ITT. What kind of loser wants a crappy consolation trophy instead of competing for a championship. You are the reason we can't have nice things.
yeah, making the tornament* this year is definitely guiding us toward nice things and healing the program, idiot
First of all, you can remove the asterisk as we clearly made the field of 64. Second, I'm not addressing the state of our program, just the loser mentality that some folks around here would rather win a door prize than play to win it all. You can kindly GTFOOH if you don't want a Natty.
I'd rather watch more cats and watch cat student athletes have fun. This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke.
Wait, I may be wrong but didn't you, wacky, and dax spend most of the season comparing K-State and South Carolina?
And i was way wrong. That what you brought this up for? Good grief.
No, I brought it up because they were a bubble team that nearly won it all. You said "This idea that a year we are a bubble team we are going to win it is all is a joke." When a team, according to some, weren't any better than K-State nearly won it all. It can't be both, which is more correct?
Is a 7 seed a bubble team?
They didn't finish that way but they certainly were with two weeks left in the regular season.
who said that usc wasn't any better than k-state?
I @ed them already. In fairness it stopped when they started winning in the tournament, wacky was the loudest one throughout the season, but I seem to remember dax and SdK doing some of it too.
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I did. USC became better at the season went on. A lot of was being just being against all the Frank love. As I watch them in the tourney my view softened.
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. :dunno:
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Let me put it this way: I'm much more emotionally invested in a NCAA tournament 1st round game than I am in an NIT championship appearance.
In that regard, a first four win means more to me than an NIT championship.
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. :dunno:
let me say it more directly: are you arguing that february was their true baseline and they were lucky all the other months of the season?
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Let me put it this way: I'm much more emotionally invested in a NCAA tournament 1st round game than I am in an NIT championship appearance.
In that regard, a first four win means more to me than an NIT championship.
It's this.
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. :dunno:
let me say it more directly: are you arguing that february was their true baseline and they were lucky all the other months of the season?
Frank did what all his tournament teams do, he earned a spot easily with good wins during most of the regular season so that stupid losses late didn't put them on the bubble. The previous season his schedule was so weak he couldn't follow the usual Frank plan.
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. :dunno:
let me say it more directly: are you arguing that february was their true baseline and they were lucky all the other months of the season?
Frank did what all his tournament teams do, he earned a spot easily with good wins during most of the regular season so that stupid losses late didn't put them on the bubble. The previous season his schedule was so weak he couldn't follow the usual Frank plan.
Thats not true, usually Frank earns his bid in February. This year he did most of his work before January. If his slide happened a couple more weeks earlier he would have been in trouble.
I don't think people understand how soft the bubble this year was. It was super fluid.
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it's not like south carolina sucked and then came on strong at the end. you people apparently only watched frankuary
They lost 6 out of their last 9 regular season games. :dunno:
let me say it more directly: are you arguing that february was their true baseline and they were lucky all the other months of the season?
Frank did what all his tournament teams do, he earned a spot easily with good wins during most of the regular season so that stupid losses late didn't put them on the bubble. The previous season his schedule was so weak he couldn't follow the usual Frank plan.
Thats not true, usually Frank earns his bid in February. This year he did most of his work before January. If his slide happened a couple more weeks earlier he would have been in trouble.
I don't think people understand how soft the bubble this year was. It was super fluid.
The bubble wasn't any different this year than last. This year's South Carolina was Cal.
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Should I know who won the NIT? Is it even over?
Texas Tech.
I thought it was TCU.
What's the difference
Wgaf, it's the nit