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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 10:43:07 PM
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Probably.
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Knowing what we know now, the probability would've been pretty good. But, we would've needed some additional talent (especially a big or two). Would've been fun to watch . . . :cry:
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Knowing what we know now, the probability would've been pretty good. But, we would've needed some additional talent (especially a big or two). Would've been fun to watch . . . :cry:
Frank could have handled/mentored Robert Upshaw
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Probably.
I wouldn't say probably. But would I say maybe? Yes I would.
We were good in 2013 with McGruder/Angel/Weber and would have been good with McGruder/Angel/Frank..... But FFs are hard to get to.
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Probably.
I wouldn't say probably. But would I say maybe? Yes I would.
We were good in 2013 with McGruder/Angel/Weber and would have been good with McGruder/Angel/Frank..... But FFs are hard to get to.
Returned roughly 62% - Sprads from the 23th ranked kenpom team. Probably would not have won the big 12 because Weber was outrageously fortunate in close games. But should have been his 2nd best team ever and been favored in an elite 8 game. The team would have also probably been a points better than Weber's team.
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I think him being let go and then suspended at another job for his temper is what made him go from a very good coachto a great coach. That said, he built a program from nothing there, and would not have had to do that if he had stayed here. So maybe.
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No. The move to SC and his being told to settle down took Frank from a good to great coach. I wish that would have taken place at KSU, but I don't think it was going to happen. I hope Frank achieves all he desires. To think that all his current and future achievements would have happened at KSU is a farse. He needed a reset and to learn some lessons. He has and it is paying dividends and will continue to do so.
One can only hope that KSU can make a great next hire to take us back to where Frank left us off at and push the bar higher.
God bless Frank and may KSU be blessed once again.
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no, i don't think so
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I think him being let go and then suspended at another job for his temper is what made him go from a very good coachto a great coach. That said, he built a program from nothing there, and would not have had to do that if he had stayed here. So maybe.
FWIW, I don't his temper has changed much.
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it's a coping mechanism
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So, the talking point about Frank changing at SC is correct but pointless. A competent AD (like apparently the one at SC) would be capable of working with their coach to modify a coach's less savory behavior. This could very well have happened at K-State had K-State not had an insane person as their AD.
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not trying to take anything away from frank but i'm not sure how much coaching had to do with usc shooting +20% higher through the tournament than their season average
there are a lot of factors that go into getting to the final four and each team's path is different
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not trying to take anything away from frank but i'm not sure how much coaching had to do with usc shooting +20% higher through the tournament than their season average
there are a lot of factors that go into getting to the final four and each team's path is different
This. Frank is a quality coach--no doubt--but this run involves a little luck. Props to Frank for getting his team in this position, and I do think his teams have a certain toughness that helps in the tourney, but the reality is that this South Carolina team was just slightly better than the team we had this year.
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not trying to take anything away from frank but i'm not sure how much coaching had to do with usc shooting +20% higher through the tournament than their season average
there are a lot of factors that go into getting to the final four and each team's path is different
This. Frank is a quality coach--no doubt--but this run involves a little luck. Props to Frank for getting his team in this position, and I do think his teams have a certain toughness that helps in the tourney, but the reality is that this South Carolina team was just slightly better than the team we had this year.
A few bounces here or there...
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True.
Frank had a little luck and shocked the world by going to the Final 4.
Our guys had a little luck and shocked the world by finishing 6th when picked 9th and made the First 4.
Those things are almost identical achievements.
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In a single elimination tournament there will always be some luck, but South Carolina beat two teams in the tournament by 20 and won even their closest games by 3 possessions. This South Carolina team is considerably better than the team we have this year. We couldn't play two consecutive games at the level that they've played four.
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In a single elimination tournament there will always be some luck, but South Carolina beat two teams in the tournament by 20 and won even their closest games by 3 possessions. This South Carolina team is considerably better than the team we have this year. We couldn't play two consecutive games at the level that they've played four.
yeah this. good pts chicat
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Frank had them in the elite eight at KSU and had the bad luck of playing a team with an incredibly elite coach with an NBA all-star. A team with Angel as an upperclassman would have been of a similar quality to that team. (Probably twice).
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So, the talking point about Frank changing at SC is correct but pointless. A competent AD (like apparently the one at SC) would be capable of working with their coach to modify a coach's less savory behavior. This could very well have happened at K-State had K-State not had an insane person as their AD.
I think the prospect of getting let go as a head BBall coach at SC is a lot more sobering than at KSU.
I believe Frank has improved as a coach and a person, which is great for him and SC. The only reason people around here have trouble appreciating that is because we don't have a better coach at the moment.
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Also, right now I can't help thinking how many folks on this board a few weeks ago were saying it shouldn't matter whether oscar made the tournament or even won a few games this year because how a coach does in conference is a better indicator of their abilities than winning a few NCAA games.
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In a single elimination tournament there will always be some luck, but South Carolina beat two teams in the tournament by 20 and won even their closest games by 3 possessions. This South Carolina team is considerably better than the team we have this year. We couldn't play two consecutive games at the level that they've played four.
this south carolina team is playing much better now than they did in the regular season when they lost 10 games. not that it matters but the two teams were very comparable during the regular season.
what you have in south carolina is a team that plays great team defense, has a good team make up, has an unstoppable stud named sindarius thornwell, and has had the ball bounce their way in the tournament
that said, i'm really not sure why anyone is comparing a final four team to k-state because it's a dumb comparison to make
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Also, right now I can't help thinking how many folks on this board a few weeks ago were saying it shouldn't matter whether oscar made the tournament or even won a few games this year because how a coach does in conference is a better indicator of their abilities than winning a few NCAA games.
If oscar had made a run to the 2nd weekend some people would've looked at him more favorably. But he didn't come close to that, and his Big 12 record speaks for itself.
Granted, Frank moving past his Elite 8 accomplishment here and to the Final 4 makes the reactions more extreme, but K-State hasn't been to a Final 4 since the 60s, so it makes more sense. I mean, to have any real memories of K-State in the Final 4 you are at least 65 years old.
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Also, right now I can't help thinking how many folks on this board a few weeks ago were saying it shouldn't matter whether oscar made the tournament or even won a few games this year because how a coach does in conference is a better indicator of their abilities than winning a few NCAA games.
I guess if you want to overlook Franks F4 run and call it luck here's what he's done in conference since arriving at SC.
4-14
5-13
6-12
11-7
12-6
Looks like an upward tick to me :dunno:
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Also, right now I can't help thinking how many folks on this board a few weeks ago were saying it shouldn't matter whether oscar made the tournament or even won a few games this year because how a coach does in conference is a better indicator of their abilities than winning a few NCAA games.
I still think that. I also think Frank would have gotten a Final Four if he had been able to stay at KSU.
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I will also say this: there is no reason to think he's going to stay at SC much longer, and we didn't have a great reason to think he would stay in Manhattan this long even with a good working AD relationship.
This is coming from someone who would love to bring Frank back, but I'd also be just as happy appreciating what Frank has done and picking up a new stud coach for ourselves.
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I will also say this: there is no reason to think he's going to stay at SC much longer, and we didn't have a great reason to think he would stay in Manhattan this long even with a good working AD relationship.
This is coming from someone who would love to bring Frank back, but I'd also be just as happy appreciating what Frank has done and picking up a new stud coach for ourselves.
SC already took care of him after last year. He's now making 2.5 mil and is extended through 2022. His buyout after this season is nearly 5 mil. I bet he they bump him to around $3 mil for next year after his Final 4 run. He'll be at SC as long as he wants to be and with what looks like a good relationship with his AD that will be a while.
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Wow. Did not realize those numbers were even in the pay scale of SEC BBall coaches outside of UK. Would be pretty tough to steal but I still see him ending up in Miami.
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They'll probably finish below 500 in the sec without thornwell next year
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Yes, good point steffy. Franks runs into the elite 8 and final four in the last decade at two trash schools involve a lot of luck.
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You giant dumbass
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I will also say this: there is no reason to think he's going to stay at SC much longer, and we didn't have a great reason to think he would stay in Manhattan this long even with a good working AD relationship.
This is coming from someone who would love to bring Frank back, but I'd also be just as happy appreciating what Frank has done and picking up a new stud coach for ourselves.
SC already took care of him after last year. He's now making 2.5 mil and is extended through 2022. His buyout after this season is nearly 5 mil. I bet he they bump him to around $3 mil for next year after his Final 4 run. He'll be at SC as long as he wants to be and with what looks like a good relationship with his AD that will be a while.
It isn't the same AD that hired him btw. I also don't think those numbers are the going rate right now. He probably get a raise to 3 and a buyout bumped up to 8+ after the season.
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Jk, but seriously
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Wow. Did not realize those numbers were even in the pay scale of SEC BBall coaches outside of UK. Would be pretty tough to steal but I still see him ending up in Miami.
Why? He's 51 years old, has never been a job hopper, his thing is loyalty, and he has a better job. Why can't you assholes just be happy for the dude?
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I'm not sure who all you're referencing, but I'm totally happy for Frank.
And I don't understand the age reference. Is 51 too old to change jobs or something?
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SoCar's current AD is the former baseball coach - having a former coach of a revenue sport is probably the best type of AD for Frank
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Also, right now I can't help thinking how many folks on this board a few weeks ago were saying it shouldn't matter whether oscar made the tournament or even won a few games this year because how a coach does in conference is a better indicator of their abilities than winning a few NCAA games.
I guess if you want to overlook Franks F4 run and call it luck here's what he's done in conference since arriving at SC.
4-14
5-13
6-12
11-7
12-6
Looks like an upward tick to me :dunno:
#trajectory
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I mean, to have any real memories of K-State in the Final 4 you are at least 65 years old.
This makes me very, very sad. Coach Altman mentioned the 'almost' Final Four in '88. That plus the 'almost' Final Four in 2010 are two of my fondest memories of K-State basketball. (and I wasn't even a legitimate 'Cat fan in '88!). Losing Lon and losing Frank are two of my worst K-State basketball memories.
All that said, you have to give Frank some props. He gets his guys to play tough and to love one another. In tight situations where you need to manufacture 'luck,' that's important. I think Frank is firmly at S. Carolina until Larranaga retires and the U comes calling. I hope he wins the whole damn thing this year. Are two more opposite personalities than Roy and Frank?
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at this point, miami is not a better job than south carolina. even for frank.
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Frank isn't stupid. If someone offers him a lot more money, he'll take it.
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at this point, miami is not a better job than south carolina. even for frank.
Just imagine if the money was the same. Miami vs. Columbia (advantage Miami: place, family, etc.); would be more of a maintenance and boosting to the next level kind of gig, Frank has proven he can build, maintain and boost (with and without the GRCOAT). Plus there are just intangibles about 'home,' that might appeal to Frank.
In the end, who knows? Maybe Frank is a lifer at USCarolina - unless Duke, Kentucky, Florida, KU (gulp!) or Indiana come calling? No tengo la menor idea. In the mean time, Go Frank!
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Yes, good point steffy. Franks runs into the elite 8 and final four in the last decade at two trash schools involve a lot of luck.
The final four run this year involved a lot of luck, yes. The run to the Elite 8 with us did not. Frank is a good coach.
These are three separate concepts that you need to keep separate.
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I had a good time pak'n and pr flag'n for #teamangel there last year, but it's hard to picture Frank being satisfied w/the hoops atmosphere with what he's accomplished so far. Their arena holds a little less than 8K, and while we were good walking and drinking to campus, it didn't seem primed for being a miami hotspot even if Frank made them the best team ever. They officially sell out their tickets, but we got ours for like $10 each on stubhub.
Frank can probably do better for himself by leveraging what he's done to get the best of all worlds at this big public state school that's in love with him. Have them fly up his mom and buds and food from wherever he wants for every game, play a home game in the Heat's arena every year, etc.
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“In the ACC we have some programs that are like the Four Seasons, the Ritz-Carlton,” Larranaga said, according to Canesport. “We’re more like the Delano, that boutique place. A small private school, beautiful location, a great environment, very different than a large state university that has all the bells and whistles, facilities, 20,000 seat arena.”
http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/10/10/miami-hurricanes-basketball-arena-renamed-watsco-center/
Coach L put in terms we'd know from the credit card thread. :lol:
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Yes, good point steffy. Franks runs into the elite 8 and final four in the last decade at two trash schools involve a lot of luck.
The final four run this year involved a lot of luck, yes. The run to the Elite 8 with us did not. Frank is a good coach.
These are three separate concepts that you need to keep separate.
Every final 4 run requires some degree of luck. Even as a 1 seed, the odds of getting there aren't terrific.
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According to kenpom, Frank actually had a more difficult path to the Final Four this year than he had w/ KSU.
with KSU he beat 175, 10, 18, and lost to 12.
with USCe he beat 31, 13, 14, and 5.
both are really tough runs. By comparison KU this year played 219, 40, 18, and 10.
In KU's last final four (2012(!)) they played 114, 30, 42, and 6 to get there. 2008 they beat 112, 48, 46, and 11
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“In the ACC we have some programs that are like the Four Seasons, the Ritz-Carlton,” Larranaga said, according to Canesport. “We’re more like the Delano, that boutique place. A small private school, beautiful location, a great environment, very different than a large state university that has all the bells and whistles, facilities, 20,000 seat arena.”
http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/10/10/miami-hurricanes-basketball-arena-renamed-watsco-center/
Coach L put in terms we'd know from the credit card thread. :lol:
that is fantastic!
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I'm not sure who all you're referencing, but I'm totally happy for Frank.
And I don't understand the age reference. Is 51 too old to change jobs or something?
51 is old enough to know he isn't a job hopper
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How is that? He's had two 5 year stints as a major coach. I'm not sure what his age has to do with anything.
I'm not saying he is or isn't a job hopper. Just that there is no proof one way or another yet.
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Pretty much what SdK said. Frank became valuable in his last 3 years as a KSU head coach and he's been valuable the last couple years at SC. There simply isn't enough data yet. Even if he left in the next couple years, I wouldn't call him a job hopper. It's just leveraging your success at other gigs until you reach your ideal job.
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Pretty much what SdK said. Frank became valuable in his last 3 years as a KSU head coach and he's been valuable the last couple years at SC. There simply isn't enough data yet. Even if he left in the next couple years, I wouldn't call him a job hopper. It's just leveraging your success at other gigs until you reach your ideal job.
Leveraging his success to get a worse job, makes sense.
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Pffffft if he can do it at SC he also can do it at Miami and it will be easier.
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The divide between people supporting Frank is large. Some see reality some see a fairy tale.
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I'm not sold he wouldn't go to Miami. Was going to say I could see him going to Florida but not with it being in the SEC. with UNC and Duke being open in the next 5 years, I could see one of them hiring someone like Mack or Few and Frank getting one of those jobs. What a fun culture that would be to coach in.
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How old is Frank's oldest son? I think that was potentially a reason he would want to go to Florida.
If he's 18 now, or close, there probably isn't a ton drawing him to Miami when he already lives in the Southeast.
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
because dana altman is boring and nobody cares
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because dana altman is boring and nobody cares
that can be reason 1a. 1b is that oregon is a better job than usc and 1c is that in the face of his making the final four, people want to believe that martin leaving kstate was inevitable rather than assume responsibility for supporting a school than ran him off (and him leaving usc would validate that he left kstate for reasons other than currie).
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K-Staters mostly don't care about Dana. K-Staters mostly love Frank.
Nobody was passionate about Dana when he left. 1 NCAA first round exit in 4 seasons and a terrible conference record, its unbelievable how many K-State fans have forgotten about that. The silly NIT Final 4 the last year can't mean that much? Did Ski's 63 really cover up the ineptitude of that season? We returned nearly everyone (especially key players like Beane and Cunningham) from the previous NCAA season and tanked outside of a fluke win in Lawrence.
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because dana altman is boring and nobody cares
that can be reason 1a. 1b is that oregon is a better job than usc and 1c is that in the face of his making the final four, people want to believe that martin leaving kstate was inevitable rather than assume responsibility for supporting a school than ran him off (and him leaving usc would validate that he left kstate for reasons other than currie).
Yeah, it's 1c.
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Yes, good point steffy. Franks runs into the elite 8 and final four in the last decade at two trash schools involve a lot of luck.
The final four run this year involved a lot of luck, yes. The run to the Elite 8 with us did not. Frank is a good coach.
These are three separate concepts that you need to keep separate.
He was so lucky to face the Vegas favorite to win the tournament, and then the 3 and 4 seeds in his region. Wow what a busted bracket.
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Yes, good point steffy. Franks runs into the elite 8 and final four in the last decade at two trash schools involve a lot of luck.
The final four run this year involved a lot of luck, yes. The run to the Elite 8 with us did not. Frank is a good coach.
These are three separate concepts that you need to keep separate.
He was so lucky to face the Vegas favorite to win the tournament, and then the 3 and 4 seeds in his region. Wow what a busted bracket.
Lucky bastard, winning by an average of over 13 pts per game.
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
Nike. Try harder
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I'm not sure what that means
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
Nike. Try harder
Is this a reference to money? Dana Altman is outside of the top 25 coaching salaries, he makes less money than Frank.
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Yeah, 1c makes quite a bit of sense. Everybody likes to talk about the jobs Frank flirted with while he was at K-State, they conveniently leave out the fact that he wasn't making any rough ridin' money and he used those job openings as pressure to get a raise. Then he rough ridin' bawled like a little girl when he got the commitment he had been looking for. I'm pretty sure all Frank wants is a program to call his own, pay commiserate with his peers, and respect from the people he's working with. I think he's got all of that at SC. He doesn't look like a guy that's about to go anywhere. Also, he was mentioned in regard to a crap ton of open jobs his first couple years at South Carolina, many of which were much better jobs than the one he currently had. It would have been much easier to parlay one of those jobs into a gig at a big time basketball school, but he stayed at SC and gutted it out, because that's the kind of dude he is. Nothing he has done so far suggests he's looking to coach at a basketball school with national prestige.
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Yeah, 1c makes quite a bit of sense. Everybody likes to talk about the jobs Frank flirted with while he was at K-State, they conveniently leave out the fact that he wasn't making any rough ridin' money and he used those job openings as pressure to get a raise. Then he rough ridin' bawled like a little girl when he got the commitment he had been looking for. I'm pretty sure all Frank wants is a program to call his own, pay commiserate with his peers, and respect from the people he's working with. I think he's got all of that at SC. He doesn't look like a guy that's about to go anywhere. Also, he was mentioned in regard to a crap ton of open jobs his first couple years at South Carolina, many of which were much better jobs than the one he currently had. It would have been much easier to parlay one of those jobs into a gig at a big time basketball school, but he stayed at SC and gutted it out, because that's the kind of dude he is. Nothing he has done so far suggests he's looking to coach at a basketball school with national prestige.
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
Nike. Try harder
Is this a reference to money? Dana Altman is outside of the top 25 coaching salaries, he makes less money than Frank.
If Oregon wants to keep a coach they will. Money will never be an issue. Elite gear? Never gonna be am issue. A conference that is easy to be a perennial power in? Not an issue. There is no better job outside of blue bloods and no blue blood will hire him.
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Why is Dana Altman exempt from rumors of where he's going next while enjoying his first final four but Frank isn't? I suppose it doesn't matter as I doubt very few people outside of some on this board are on year 8 of the Miami countdown.
Nike. Try harder
Is this a reference to money? Dana Altman is outside of the top 25 coaching salaries, he makes less money than Frank.
If Oregon wants to keep a coach they will. Money will never be an issue. Elite gear? Never gonna be am issue. A conference that is easy to be a perennial power in? Not an issue. There is no better job outside of blue bloods and no blue blood will hire him.
He must be a real dipshit to not be getting paid more at this point if what you say is true.
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Dana just got a new deal in November. He'll make 2.5 mil next season.
His salary was "only" 1.8 mil this year, but he gets 850K for staying. Next year he gets 200K for staying, then 300K every year after that.
Its an interesting structure with a lot of incentives, but Altman will be making plenty of money with all the bonuses.
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2016/11/oregon_dana_altman_agree_on_7-.html
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Dana just got a new deal in November. He'll make 2.5 mil next season.
His salary was "only" 1.8 mil this year, but he gets 850K for staying. Next year he gets 200K for staying, then 300K every year after that.
Its an interesting structure with a lot of incentives, but Altman will be making plenty of money with all the bonuses.
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2016/11/oregon_dana_altman_agree_on_7-.html
I'm just saying, if money is no option for Oregon, he should be much closer to Bill Self pay than oscar Weber after like eight years at Oregon.
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Weird. Oregon is paying him well.
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This is pretty cool:
https://twitter.com/CoachKTaylor/status/847159709194964992
I also was able to use that to recreate that classic logo.
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that is depressing.
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fuckin roy williams
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Crazy af
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Logo needs more teal
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This is pretty cool:
https://twitter.com/CoachKTaylor/status/847159709194964992
I also was able to use that to recreate that classic logo.
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My dad used to have a purple cap with that logo on it.
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This is pretty cool:
https://twitter.com/CoachKTaylor/status/847159709194964992
I also was able to use that to recreate that classic logo.
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You can be depressed that we went from 6th to 23rd or you can relish in the fact we have finally separated from that pesky St John's program by one appearance.
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I wonder if Oregon told him no.
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I can just see Dana with a brand new Oregon Basketball logo printed out on some very nice poster board, ready to pitch it to the powers that be. "Now, not only do I coach basketball, but...well, I don't like to brag. I am QUITE the graphic designer as well. Let me show you some of my work, notice the subtle differences I incorporate in each piece. This is just a start, we can add some more teal or make the cursive even MORE slanty if you want to get real wild. Just let me know, I like to think of myself as an adaptable artist."
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my mom use to drive a sweet van with a vanity plate with that on it.. I've looked everywhere for one of those plates. If anyone ever finds one of those give ole yla a ring
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You can just order one online using that image
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You can just order one online using that image
take me to the site big guy
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https://www.buildasign.com/license-plates
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LOL at Nebraska being better at hoops than the Clones and Pokes back then.
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Protip: use a teal background :love:
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:excited:
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I can't choose between the black background or the white one !
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(https://pdf.buildasign.com//Proof.ashx?tcid=5230563764705563714B33393377666A536C354864773D3D&width=700&height=450&watermark=false&r=1490889169802)
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(https://pdf.buildasign.com//Proof.ashx?tcid=6951617449757246765470726A7452413533302F42673D3D&width=700&height=450&watermark=false&r=1490888656114)
I can't choose between the black background or the white one !
What color automobile is this work of art going on?
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Silver Tacoma
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rust colored 82 chevy pickup :fatty: I went with the black
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Black for sure.
This would also make for a pretty sweet Fathead.
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(https://pdf.buildasign.com//Proof.ashx?tcid=5230563764705563714B33393377666A536C354864773D3D&width=700&height=450&watermark=false&r=1490889169802)
Why is this one all squished?
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Guys, not a Fanningbrag. But irl I designed that "classic" logo as a graphic designer employee of the office of University Relations.
I'm pretty old I guess.
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not a fanningbrag, that's a stud thing
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what kind of input did they give?
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No input really. I originally created the Cats artwork (by hand in the day) for the football promotion "Makin' Tracks!" with cat scratch marks. Vintage tacky stuff. Coach was Rainsberger I think. He DNGAF. The Cats art found its way into the basketball materials eventually.
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Guys, not a Fanningbrag. But irl I designed that "classic" logo as a graphic designer employee of the office of University Relations.
I'm pretty old I guess.
That's awesome.
I tried to replicate it a few years ago, but I could never find a good image of the original and I knew there was no "font" for the Cats. That picture from the Altman media guide was good enough that I could blow it up and piece together the layers. I suppose its only because it was while I first started liking K-State basketball and also because we went on the Elite 8 run in 88, but I've always really liked that logo. I have a etched glass piece I made with that on it somewhere from high school too.
Also, I apologize for copying your work.
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Etched glass? Lol.
I like what you did better, don't apologize. I had about forgotten it anyway. Refresh my memory, did they use in on helmets for a season? I kind of think they did.
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Etched glass? Lol.
I like what you did better, don't apologize. I had about forgotten it anyway. Refresh my memory, did they use in on helmets for a season? I kind of think they did.
Oh yeah, an awesome high school art project where you took a pane of glass and put the acid on it after you cut our contact paper. I think I framed it with some purple fabric behind it, I wish I could find it actually.
And yes, according to http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/ we used a white "Cats" on a purple helmet in 1988 as the final pre-powercat helmet.
I also have to laugh at how loose copyright was back then, or that no one really cared. Our entire university used your idea, then Dana basically took the same design and used it at Creighton.
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Great link, thanks
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wasn't it also on the side of almant era basketball shorts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozxaEv-fZBE
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wasn't it also on the side of almant era basketball shorts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozxaEv-fZBE
Yes, that's the main way I remember it.
Also, I have fond memories of watching the 2nd half of that game at the Hays (KS) mall.
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Also, it was the original logo at center court in Bramlage.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FCats-on-the-floor.png&hash=cf52f4ef507066d0a30f4cf9a476281a78ec7faf)
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Wow. I was a 22 year old civil servant making about 10 bucks an hour. Clearly I got stiffed.
Wefald :shakesfist:
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fan should get to therapeutically fabricate a backdated C&D to send to ksu athletics
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fan should get to therapeutically fabricate a backdated C&D to send to ksu athletics
Yes!
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Would sign.
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I could be that kind of lawyer.
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I'll report back with pics when the license comes in.
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better idea: fan and I get into that low down doc senior picture crouch and angle our vehicles and take pics in front of them
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Also, it was the original logo at center court in Bramlage.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FCats-on-the-floor.png&hash=cf52f4ef507066d0a30f4cf9a476281a78ec7faf)
that center court logo right there is the best we've ever had. not joking. i love that era's logo.
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better idea: fan and I get into that low down doc senior picture crouch and angle our vehicles and take pics in front of them
When you order 2, they become much cheaper.
Also, anyone want to go in on the black Cats one with me? I haven't ordered yet.
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No but if we ever don't suck again at basketball I'll by some _FAN shirts with that logo.
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Wow. I was a 22 year old civil servant making about 10 bucks an hour. Clearly I got stiffed.
Wefald :shakesfist:
Creighton got you too :curse:
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Guys, not a Fanningbrag. But irl I designed that "classic" logo as a graphic designer employee of the office of University Relations.
I'm pretty old I guess.
this is the coolest thing ever posted to this forum
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Guys, not a Fanningbrag. But irl I designed that "classic" logo as a graphic designer employee of the office of University Relations.
I'm pretty old I guess.
this is the coolest thing ever posted to this forum
Yeah, wow.
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and porky ramano sky rockets into relevance
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Etched glass? Lol.
I like what you did better, don't apologize. I had about forgotten it anyway. Refresh my memory, did they use in on helmets for a season? I kind of think they did.
Oh yeah, an awesome high school art project where you took a pane of glass and put the acid on it after you cut our contact paper. I think I framed it with some purple fabric behind it, I wish I could find it actually.
And yes, according to http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/ we used a white "Cats" on a purple helmet in 1988 as the final pre-powercat helmet.
I also have to laugh at how loose copyright was back then, or that no one really cared. Our entire university used your idea, then Dana basically took the same design and used it at Creighton.
I'm not completely positive on this, but I'm pretty sure that when a university employee creates something using university resources, the property belongs to the university and not the employee.
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Etched glass? Lol.
I like what you did better, don't apologize. I had about forgotten it anyway. Refresh my memory, did they use in on helmets for a season? I kind of think they did.
Oh yeah, an awesome high school art project where you took a pane of glass and put the acid on it after you cut our contact paper. I think I framed it with some purple fabric behind it, I wish I could find it actually.
And yes, according to http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/ we used a white "Cats" on a purple helmet in 1988 as the final pre-powercat helmet.
I also have to laugh at how loose copyright was back then, or that no one really cared. Our entire university used your idea, then Dana basically took the same design and used it at Creighton.
I'm not completely positive on this, but I'm pretty sure that when a university employee creates something using university resources, the property belongs to the university and not the employee.
Yes, I'm sure that is accurate.
I was more talking about Creighton using the same concept with the Jays logo. Granted, its pretty broad because both are just script over a basketball, but if K-State wanted to push it they could have. I'm sure a lot of 80s/90s teams had some version of that it seemed to be pretty popular at the time.
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Etched glass? Lol.
I like what you did better, don't apologize. I had about forgotten it anyway. Refresh my memory, did they use in on helmets for a season? I kind of think they did.
Oh yeah, an awesome high school art project where you took a pane of glass and put the acid on it after you cut our contact paper. I think I framed it with some purple fabric behind it, I wish I could find it actually.
And yes, according to http://nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/ we used a white "Cats" on a purple helmet in 1988 as the final pre-powercat helmet.
I also have to laugh at how loose copyright was back then, or that no one really cared. Our entire university used your idea, then Dana basically took the same design and used it at Creighton.
My Jr high shop class sandblasted mirror project was a hand drawn powercat. I'll try to find it tonight.
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It came in the mail yesterday
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:emawkid:
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haven't bought any screws to put it on the front but still.. cats, man
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Frank and whoever was playing here would have gone to the final 4, probably angel, but whoever
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No. He became a final four coach when the SC AD suspended him for 1 game for sideline profanity fit directed a player. He has since learned to control this demon and channel it to demanding more from his players - fear is not love.
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No. He became a final four coach when the SC AD suspended him for 1 game for sideline profanity fit directed a player. He has since learned to control this demon and channel it to demanding more from his players - fear is not love.
Yet all his players still love him to death. Despite that. A 1 game suspension did not magically change Frank into a Final Four Coach.