Post by: Pete on March 19, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
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Post by: bucket on March 19, 2017, 10:51:55 PM
:cry:
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 10:57:01 PM
https://twitter.com/MarchMadnessTV/status/843666807630131200Lulz
:cry:
https://twitter.com/ZaldyKSNT/status/843670662082453505
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:04:39 PM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:25:25 PM
A week late but looks like gE is ready to have an old-fashioned lawn orgy up in here.
AWWWWWWWWWW YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 19, 2017, 11:25:33 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 11:28:23 PM
I'm happy for Frank. A lot of people here and nationally doubted him when he got the job and he did well. When he went to SC a lot of people here said he wouldn't build that program into anything. The guy does a good job of doing this his way and turning out some wins. I hope SC values him.
I kind of doubted SC will ever care much about basketball, but then I heard how loud the crowd was at the Duke/USC game. But then I realized a lot of those were just UNC fans, so I'm still not sure.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 11:29:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 11:41:25 PM
Watching Franks team beat the dukies was the best yet of this years tourney. There is no doubt in my mind that Frank Martin is a coach that the most talented kids will want to play for for years to come. Knowing that our Illini now have a coach who learned from this man gives me hope for our program.
eat all of the dicks
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 11:43:23 PM
Yeah, I said it.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 19, 2017, 11:44:00 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/GamecockMBB/status/843673325834571776/video/1
Post by: ednksu on March 20, 2017, 12:05:03 AM
Is that Jadeveon Clowney @27 seconds? :gocho:
https://mobile.twitter.com/GamecockMBB/status/843673325834571776/video/1
Post by: sys on March 20, 2017, 12:19:46 AM
kstate, coaches' cradle.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 20, 2017, 12:30:45 AM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 20, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
He may be my favorite K-State coach ever.
Yeah, I said it.
Definitely mine. He was kind of corny sometimes, but he gave us all something special, a basketball program to be proud of again.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 20, 2017, 08:20:13 AM
How did everyone feel about Frank's suit?
Post by: grainer on March 20, 2017, 08:42:23 AM
Frank's gotta be Frank.
How did everyone feel about Frank's suit?
Very happy for him and his team on the win, although it blew up one of my brackets.
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Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2017, 08:47:27 AM
He may be my favorite K-State coach ever.
Yeah, I said it.
Definitely mine. He was kind of corny sometimes, but he gave us all something special, a basketball program to be proud of again.
He is definitely my favorite K-State coach ever. All sports included.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2017, 09:01:06 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 20, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
And one time during the tournament we used a trashcan receipt to suspend his best rebounder before a game against Syracuse....memories
Post by: DQ12 on March 20, 2017, 09:04:13 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 09:06:56 AM
wasn't a huge fan of Assaley's maroon paisley tie yesterday but i got to admit he was looking good. satan's chin strap beard needs to go though and i'd tell that to his face.
Then he would rip your arms off and beat you with them.
Post by: pissclams on March 20, 2017, 09:11:22 AM
wasn't a huge fan of Assaley's maroon paisley tie yesterday but i got to admit he was looking good. satan's chin strap beard needs to go though and i'd tell that to his face.
Then he would rip your arms off and beat you with them.
he would but then i would rip his arms off and sew them onto my torso
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 09:13:19 AM
Post by: kim carnes on March 20, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
I'm happy for Frank. A lot of people here and nationally doubted him when he got the job and he did well. When he went to SC a lot of people here said he wouldn't build that program into anything. The guy does a good job of doing this his way and turning out some wins. I hope SC values him.
I kind of doubted SC will ever care much about basketball, but then I heard how loud the crowd was at the Duke/USC game. But then I realized a lot of those were just UNC fans, so I'm still not sure.
the game was played in South Carolina
Post by: 0.42 on March 20, 2017, 09:38:21 AM
had a blast when he was here, but at the end of the day, when the going got tough at K-State, Frank got going.
I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for getting the hell out when they're in a hostile work environment with a micromanaging boss that has no real interest in working with them and actively makes their job more difficult. It would've taken LHC Bill Snyder levels of loyalty on Frank's part to keep him here, and that's something that only comes around once in a generation at best for a school like KSU. I don't blame him for looking elsewhere in the least.
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2017, 09:49:35 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 09:58:37 AM
Post by: Woogy on March 20, 2017, 10:10:24 AM
The anti-Frankers on twitter/Facebook are a trip. Similar to the folks that try to discredit Brad, but even more over the top in trying to discredit Frank. Its really amazing how much people are willing to accept being mediocre.[/U]
Absolutely Stockholm'd
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 10:31:42 AM
The anti-Frankers on twitter/Facebook are a trip. Similar to the folks that try to discredit Brad, but even more over the top in trying to discredit Frank. Its really amazing how much people are willing to accept being mediocre.Any chance it's just poorly expressed jealousy of their success or anger about our own program? I'm assuming it's mostly men, we aren't known for handling emotions super well. Especially not the tucky folks I am guessing are trying to discredit both. I'm painting with broad strokes.
Or maybe I live in a bubble and only come into contact with people who want oscar gone. Some don't like Frank and or Brad's move either.
Post by: cfbandyman on March 20, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
Post by: kim carnes on March 20, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
The anti-Frankers on twitter/Facebook are a trip. Similar to the folks that try to discredit Brad, but even more over the top in trying to discredit Frank. Its really amazing how much people are willing to accept being mediocre.
Frank's last few team were mediocre and they weren't exactly trending up.
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 11:28:33 AM
Post by: TheFormerKCCat on March 20, 2017, 11:56:29 AM
How did everyone feel about Frank's suit?It was 100% Frank. It's part of his charm (oversized, ill-fitting suits). Does he have Gamecock cowboy boots yet?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 12:15:31 PM
Frank's last few team were mediocre and they weren't exactly trending up.
Over 95% of the production for nearly every statistical category came from Frank's players in 2013 and Frank's final team had a higher kenpom rating than any of oscar's teams including the 2013 Big 12 co-champs.
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Post by: Justwin on March 20, 2017, 12:27:09 PM
The anti-Frankers on twitter/Facebook are a trip. Similar to the folks that try to discredit Brad, but even more over the top in trying to discredit Frank. Its really amazing how much people are willing to accept being mediocre.
Frank's last few team were mediocre and they weren't exactly trending up.
South Carolina SEC Record and Postseason Result
2007: 4-12 (None)
2008: 5-11 (None)
2009: 10-6 (NIT First Round)
2010: 6-10 (None)
2011: 5-11 (None)
2012: 2-14 (None)
****Frank Hired****
2013: 4-14 (None)
2014: 5-13 (None)
2015: 6-12 (None)
2016: 11-7 (NIT Second Round)
2017: 12-6 (NCAA Sweet Sixteen at a minimum)
Kansas State Big 12 Record and Postseason Result
2002: 6-10 (None)
2003: 4-12 (None)
2004: 6-10 (None)
2005: 6-10 (None)
2006: 6-10 (None)
2007: 10-6 (NIT Second Round)
****Frank Hired****
2008: 10-6 (NCAA Round of 32)
2009: 9-7 (NIT Second Round)
2010: 11-5 (NCAA Elite Eight)
2011: 10-6 (NCAA Round of 32)
2012: 10-8 (NCAA Round of 32)
****Frank Departs****
2013: 14-4 (NCAA Round of 64)
2014: 10-8 (NCAA Round of 64)
2015: 8-10 (None)
2016: 5-13 (None)
2017: 8-10 (NCAA Round of 64)
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
Frank :bawl:
Fantastic sig pic
Post by: 8manpick on March 20, 2017, 12:47:15 PM
Last few teams for Frank: 5 NCAA tournament wins, 31-19 in Big XII play.The anti-Frankers on twitter/Facebook are a trip. Similar to the folks that try to discredit Brad, but even more over the top in trying to discredit Frank. Its really amazing how much people are willing to accept being mediocre.
Frank's last few team were mediocre and they weren't exactly trending up.
Post by: Stupid Fitz on March 20, 2017, 04:03:56 PM
I loved that Frank was unique. Winning with a boring or even dorky coach would still be nice, but winning with Frank was on another level. He made it really fun and I miss that.This is exactly how I feel. Basketball is a stupid and boring sport that I never really watched but when Frank was stomping ass and calling his players stupid mother fuckers on the sidelines, I never missed it. Game day, being in the studio, etc. He was great and we let him go to South Carolina. Plus, remember when he got his new boots!!! :love:
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 20, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
I also don't think comparing him to Snyder in this respect isn't fair, because Snyder became bigger than the AD in short order. Frank couldn't do that, was a different time.
Post by: renocat on March 20, 2017, 08:23:35 PM
Post by: Trim on March 20, 2017, 08:49:16 PM
Does this mean we are going to scrap our man basketball and just show South Carolina's games on the jumbo tron?
Should do a thing where the Wildcocks play a few home games in the OOD each year, like when the Buffalo Bills tried to make Toronto a secondary home.
Post by: slackcat on March 20, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 21, 2017, 02:03:23 AM
Dude was lobbying for jobs every year at the end tho and would let you know about it. Sorry if I have a little scorn ex lover in me, when the dude preaches toughness , over coming adversity, etc. and then jumps ship for that crap program. I think it's totally fair for fans to have a love/hate relationship with the dude.had a blast when he was here, but at the end of the day, when the going got tough at K-State, Frank got going.
I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for getting the hell out when they're in a hostile work environment with a micromanaging boss that has no real interest in working with them and actively makes their job more difficult. It would've taken LHC Bill Snyder levels of loyalty on Frank's part to keep him here, and that's something that only comes around once in a generation at best for a school like KSU. I don't blame him for looking elsewhere in the least.
Post by: Joker on March 21, 2017, 07:25:51 AM
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Post by: pissclams on March 21, 2017, 07:49:05 AM
Can't wait for Brad to start crushing it at Illinois. Then come tourney time every year I can cheer for two former KSU Cats coaches that we let walk.
it will be very interesting to see how he assimilates into the big 10 and if he can win the chicago recruiting market. i don't know how much quan brad has in that area and he does only have 1 year of p5 experience. if he can turn around that program and compete for big 10 titles, i will be very impressed but they're not paying him that kind of money for 2nd place and round of 64/32 exits.
Post by: ednksu on March 21, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
:frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown:
(Frank was on Mike and Mike this morning.)
Post by: cfbandyman on March 21, 2017, 09:10:19 AM
Frank :bawl:
Fantastic sig pic
Thanks, I've just decided it's time to go full NDT
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ozGmM6yio1Ue4/giphy.gif)
Post by: Pete on March 22, 2017, 08:16:32 PM
Post by: Trim on March 24, 2017, 12:30:52 PM
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Truly, I don’t care what you think about how I dress or how I choose to coach my team or how I act on the sidelines. That’s just noise.
https://theplayerstribune.com/frank-martin-university-of-south-carolina-basketball/
Post by: pissclams on March 24, 2017, 12:51:34 PM
QuoteTruly, I don’t care what you think about how I dress or how I choose to coach my team or how I act on the sidelines. That’s just noise.
https://theplayerstribune.com/frank-martin-university-of-south-carolina-basketball/
tl:dr
Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 01:03:08 PM
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So when I was contemplating making the move here, what I heard from people was, “Frank, everyone loses their job there.”
Nobody gets out of there alive.
Yet, he still viewed it as a better option than trying to work with John Currie.
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 07:36:08 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 24, 2017, 07:37:11 PM
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Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 07:44:42 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 24, 2017, 08:17:47 PM
QuoteTruly, I don’t care what you think about how I dress or how I choose to coach my team or how I act on the sidelines. That’s just noise.
https://theplayerstribune.com/frank-martin-university-of-south-carolina-basketball/
I'm not convinced this is true after seeing 3-piece suit and fresh haircut Frank on the sideline vs Baylor.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 24, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Post by: Pete on March 24, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
Post by: The Big Train on March 24, 2017, 08:24:52 PM
I MISS HIM SO DAMN MUCH!Me too, Pete. :frown:
Post by: chum1 on March 24, 2017, 08:25:08 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 24, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
This is legit killing me. That's our guy. How did this happen?
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1f2e3cd6428d54e30d4542f23c1b2bcf46efe396/c=11-0-3315-2484&r=x393&c=520x390/local/-/media/2017/02/28/TennGroup/Knoxville/636238808360574750-neyland.co-5859.JPG)
Post by: wetwillie on March 24, 2017, 09:13:12 PM
Post by: CatMission on March 24, 2017, 09:16:15 PM
https://twitter.com/t_adame/status/845456052283998208
I think I love Frank even more after reading that.
Can anyone imagine Oscar ever admitting that?
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Post by: Pete on March 24, 2017, 09:34:09 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 09:34:52 PM
Yep. So, so many K-State fans deserve this pain.
lots of bad people outing themselves tonight
Post by: Pete on March 24, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
Post by: Joker on March 24, 2017, 09:37:19 PM
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Calling it a “twist” in the story of the two coaches, Martin explained how when he lost his coaching job at Miami Senior High School in 1998, he decided to try for a college position.
Via The Dan Patrick Show:
I wrote 120, 140 letters to coaches around the country. One guy sent me a hand-written note back. It was Coach K. And I didn’t even know him back then. He knew who I was because I was part of a very successful high school team, but all that kind of all lumped into that one moment there.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/mike-krzyzewski-duke-blue-devils-frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-hand-written-letter-coaching-job-search (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/mike-krzyzewski-duke-blue-devils-frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-hand-written-letter-coaching-job-search)
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 24, 2017, 09:41:54 PM
I find it hard to root for a program whose fan base tolerated the running off of Frank Martin.
Yeah, I can't imagine being embarrassed by Frank Martin, but so many of our fans were. We really value appearances more than substance at K-State, which I'm sure is pretty much the opposite of the way those people perceive themselves. We're shallow hypocrites and we deserve every shitty thing that happens to us as a fanbase. Not all of us, but most of us. As a whole, we're awful.
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
Post by: Pete on March 24, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
I find it hard to root for a program whose fan base tolerated the running off of Frank Martin.
Yeah, I can't imagine being embarrassed by Frank Martin, but so many of our fans were. We really value appearances more than substance at K-State, which I'm sure is pretty much the opposite of the way those people perceive themselves. We're shallow hypocrites and we deserve every shitty thing that happens to us as a fanbase. Not all of us, but most of us. As a whole, we're awful.
Agreed
Post by: Trim on March 24, 2017, 10:51:53 PM
https://twitter.com/BUDREW/status/845479192137531393
Post by: Tobias on March 24, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 24, 2017, 10:56:29 PM
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Post by: Trim on March 25, 2017, 12:04:45 AM
A potential remaining torny path for EMAW Frank is baylor,wisconsin,west virginia, squawks.
FPs, TCs, etc.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 25, 2017, 01:20:12 AM
7 years ago today.
#NeverForget
Post by: Tobias on March 25, 2017, 01:29:10 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 25, 2017, 04:45:30 AM
Some of the posts in this thread, OMG #tears.
There's like 1 coach in college basketball who doesn't have anybody bitching about him right now, but I suspect there probably is now after another early exit. If Seff doesn't win a title they'll be low self esteem KU fans bitching about him.
There's OU fans bitching about Lon Kruger, and he hung a FF banner in their arena.
Frank is gone because of one guy. Not any fan or booster complaining. But (maybe two) one guy who couldn't deal with Frank being Frank and lacked the fortitude despite his position to ignore the noise. A guy who proactively sought conflict and confrontation with coaches and staff members in the athletic department. An athletic department that now has to purge his little snitches from the ranks.
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Post by: steve dave on March 25, 2017, 06:38:45 AM
Post by: Joker on March 25, 2017, 08:48:33 AM
https://twitter.com/gogamecocks/status/845468795376406531
Post by: KST8FAN on March 25, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
I like to pretend it's EMAW fist pump kid asking Frank this question.
https://twitter.com/gogamecocks/status/845468795376406531
What the ef was Currie's problem with this guy again? I am going back to bed and dream about 2010.
Tom
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Frank is gone because of one guy. Not any fan or booster complaining. But (maybe two) one guy who couldn't deal with Frank being Frank and lacked the fortitude despite his position to ignore the noise.
I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people complaining about Frank, FYI. At least according to the person I talked to at the AD. Of course, I think many of the same folks were not very happy about oscar getting hired.
Frank has also said himself he's realized he had to work through some issues since leaving KSU. Just another thing that makes him so lovable.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 25, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 10:10:37 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 25, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
Frank is gone because of one guy. Not any fan or booster complaining. But (maybe two) one guy who couldn't deal with Frank being Frank and lacked the fortitude despite his position to ignore the noise.
I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people complaining about Frank, FYI. At least according to the person I talked to at the AD. Of course, I think many of the same folks were not very happy about oscar getting hired.
Frank has also said himself he's realized he had to work through some issues since leaving KSU. Just another thing that makes him so lovable.
True, and I've shared before a colleague of mine lives next door to a guy who is on USCe's board, regents/curators, something like that. Anyway, recall that USCe has suspended Frank and after the one incident caught on ESPN some board members wanted Frank fired. He was told to chill, or else. Thankfully for everyone, he has.
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Post by: mocat on March 25, 2017, 10:43:03 AM
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 11:25:15 AM
I'm happy for him and his current success. It's nice to see that he was able to calm to eff down and still have an intense team.
Post by: wetwillie on March 25, 2017, 11:27:57 AM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 25, 2017, 11:33:02 AM
He's the same old Frank he just hides it better in public now.
Yeah, I don't see much difference in the intensity of Frank on the sidelines. Maybe he learned to filter out the F bombs, but he's not that much different.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 25, 2017, 11:39:43 AM
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2017, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Maybe it's the haircut and less pans to the sideline during games. I dunno. Maybe its the gray hair. Or maybe I can only remember the tirades and less the times his players were imitating him on espn.He's the same old Frank he just hides it better in public now.
Yeah, I don't see much difference in the intensity of Frank on the sidelines. Maybe he learned to filter out the F bombs, but he's not that much different.
For whatever reason, he seems softer to me. Not in a bad way. Maybe part of it is no longer working for Currie.
If USCe sustains this success, I'm sure he will be all over tv again and maybe my opinion will change.
Either way, his success is amazing. I loved coach Cals interview after the game yesterday where he mentioned SC. Also when he said no, don't put 3 SEC teams in the E8. Not the SEC.
Post by: Pete on March 25, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 25, 2017, 12:18:53 PM
The loss of Frank is on the heads of every single fan who sat quietly while John Currie ruined this program.
Kirk also
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 25, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
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Post by: michigancat on March 25, 2017, 12:41:46 PM
Remember how much fun it was to have a coach that fans of other teams hated? And a style of play many basketball dorks thought was beneath them? That was a lot of fun. Now other fans pitty our program mostly. No one is jealous or hates it or has any real emotion about any of our coaches or players or anything.Yes, I remember. It was definitely a lot of fun.
Post by: kim carnes on March 25, 2017, 12:42:20 PM
Frank was all ours too. Huggs was Cincy's and WVU's at his core, but Frank was ours. He could've had a 20 year run at K State if we had played our cards right and not been stupid.
Pfft he literally campaigned for the Miami job
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 25, 2017, 12:59:17 PM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 25, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 25, 2017, 02:12:12 PM
Frank was all ours too. Huggs was Cincy's and WVU's at his core, but Frank was ours. He could've had a 20 year run at K State if we had played our cards right and not been stupid.
Pfft he literally campaigned for the Miami job
so what? he wasn't offered it
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Post by: wazucat on March 25, 2017, 02:31:10 PM
The loss of Frank is on the heads of every single fan who sat quietly while John Currie ruined this program.
If you are not a major donor just what was one to do to stop Currie/Shulz ? Especially with a time frame of a few days/hours between Jamargate and Frank taking another job.
Post by: SdK on March 25, 2017, 02:35:56 PM
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Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/846100646214414336like he gives a eff now
Post by: pissclams on March 26, 2017, 04:19:36 PM
So, so many rough ridin' assholes doubted Frank. eff each and every one of you. eff you all.
frank can't coach for crap and you know it
Post by: chum1 on March 26, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 26, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 04:43:03 PM
I don't see the point of putting on a brave face here. This is an absolute disaster for K-State fans.
Not for those of us who have always loved Frank, and hated Currie/Oscar. For us, it's rough ridin' great. I am party rocking so hard right now and so are so many of my best buds.
Post by: sys on March 26, 2017, 04:43:32 PM
I don't see the point of putting on a brave face here. This is an absolute disaster for K-State fans.
if you're a kstate fan and you don't hate kstate, you deserve whatever disaster comes your way.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on March 26, 2017, 04:50:09 PM
Post by: kim carnes on March 26, 2017, 04:51:41 PM
I don't see the point of putting on a brave face here. This is an absolute disaster for K-State fans.
Not for those of us who have always loved Frank, and hated Currie/Oscar. For us, it's rough ridin' great. I am party rocking so hard right now and so are so many of my best buds.
You're living the dream man
Post by: chum1 on March 26, 2017, 04:52:11 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
The only appropriate thing for any of us to do is hate ourselves.
Why? I hate every tuck who contributed (directly or indirectly) to pressure on Currie/Schultz to micromanage Frank, but I sure as eff don't hate myself or any other Frank supporter because we were right as crap and being right feels super good.
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 05:00:55 PM
I don't see the point of putting on a brave face here. This is an absolute disaster for K-State fans.
if you're a kstate fan and you don't hate kstate, you deserve whatever disaster comes your way.
I might buy one of those bricks in the bsfs field wall things and have this engraved on it.
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 05:01:18 PM
It doesn't feel super good when another team is yet again hanging a banner that should be at K-State.The only appropriate thing for any of us to do is hate ourselves.
Why? I hate every tuck who contributed (directly or indirectly) to pressure on Currie/Schultz to micromanage Frank, but I sure as eff don't hate myself or any other Frank supporter because we were right as crap and being right feels super good.
I'm slightly bitter at Frank for folding up shop. If he and Bill had presented a united front to the public Currie would have been out on his ass.
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 05:02:30 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: chum1 on March 26, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
The only appropriate thing for any of us to do is hate ourselves.
Why?
You chose a school that sucks. That's on you.
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 05:09:10 PM
I'm not bitter towards Frank at all. His micromanaging boss tried to bigtime him so he bolted to spite him and now he's partying while Currie has disappeared from the public eye. And Frank is going to make it his mission to pisspound Tennessee every single time they play. Frank is great and I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
For me, I would have hoped he showed a bit more loyalty to the fans and school that made him. I would have probably done the same thing he did. For me, my bitterness for him leaving is well eclipsed by our eff faced tuck fans who wanted him gone and love to have Oscar now.
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 05:14:08 PM
It's so cute how people on here are lashing out. As if any fan had anything to do with Frank leaving and us getting oscar. Simple things for simple people.You don't think the people sitting behind the bench, constantly bitching about naughty words, didn't help Currie along?
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2017, 05:20:14 PM
Again, simple people act in simple ways.
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2017, 05:21:53 PM
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 05:23:57 PM
No. To think Currie gave a eff what anyone said is ludicrous. Currie was a micromanaging was that wanted things his way or the highway, but took time to listen to a handful of fans and make up his mind? Yeah ok. Then he holed up in a hotel and reached out to Gene to hire oscar. Nah, my bad, I remember all the KSU fans clamoring for oscar that lead him to hire Weber.
Again, simple people act in simple ways.
I've said nothing like that. You're arguing made up points to make yourself feel better.
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Just a bunch of whining going on in this thread. I'm happy for and impressed by Frank at SC. Some people are able to do that and not piss and moan like a toddler.
Dude
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
Post by: SdK on March 26, 2017, 05:28:50 PM
Then if it doesn't apply to you, feel free to ignore it.No. To think Currie gave a eff what anyone said is ludicrous. Currie was a micromanaging was that wanted things his way or the highway, but took time to listen to a handful of fans and make up his mind? Yeah ok. Then he holed up in a hotel and reached out to Gene to hire oscar. Nah, my bad, I remember all the KSU fans clamoring for oscar that lead him to hire Weber.
Again, simple people act in simple ways.
I've said nothing like that. You're arguing made up points to make yourself feel better.
Post by: ednksu on March 26, 2017, 05:30:47 PM
Sorry Pete. It just seems a bit ridiculous to think Currie overlooked the success and packed arena and listened to some fans and decided to micromanage Frank out the door. Currie was gonna Currie no matter what. Did I miss all the cheering when Jamar sat out? Seriously, did I? All the support for Currie sitting by the bench and taking notes? If I missed all the support for Currie being Currie, clue me in. Did I miss when Currie routinely asked for the thoughts of Joe Fan on how to run the AD?
Who is saying that?
The same fans that bitched about Frank's naughty words are the same tucks who stood in the way of firing oscar. Sometimes it's about leveraging crap fans to cover your own agenda. 100% of people here knew Frank was gone entirely because of Currie's agenda. Don't make crap out to be something it's clearly not.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 05:30:56 PM
Sorry Pete. It just seems a bit ridiculous to think Currie overlooked the success and packed arena and listened to some fans and decided to micromanage Frank out the door. Currie was gonna Currie no matter what. Did I miss all the cheering when Jamar sat out? Seriously, did I? All the support for Currie sitting by the bench and taking notes? If I missed all the support for Currie being Currie, clue me in. Did I miss when Currie routinely asked for the thoughts of Joe Fan on how to run the AD?
I can think of multiple tuck idiots I've talked to in person who thought Currie's actions surrounding Jamargate were not only okay, but also the right thing to do.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 05:31:56 PM
Sorry Pete. It just seems a bit ridiculous to think Currie overlooked the success and packed arena and listened to some fans and decided to micromanage Frank out the door. Currie was gonna Currie no matter what. Did I miss all the cheering when Jamar sat out? Seriously, did I? All the support for Currie sitting by the bench and taking notes? If I missed all the support for Currie being Currie, clue me in. Did I miss when Currie routinely asked for the thoughts of Joe Fan on how to run the AD?
Who is saying that?
The same fans that bitched about Frank's naughty words are the same tucks who stood in the way of firing oscar. Sometimes it's about leveraging crap fans to cover your own agenda. 100% of people here knew Frank was gone entirely because of Currie's agenda. Don't make crap out to be something it's clearly not.
Gonna agree. This one is pretty cut and dried.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:37:52 PM
So, so many rough ridin' assholes doubted Frank. eff each and every one of you. eff you all.
:emawkid: Go Pete Go!
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 26, 2017, 05:39:50 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:40:44 PM
The only appropriate thing for any of us to do is hate ourselves.
Why?
You chose a school that sucks. That's on you.
Oh look at you
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
Sorry Pete. It just seems a bit ridiculous to think Currie overlooked the success and packed arena and listened to some fans and decided to micromanage Frank out the door. Currie was gonna Currie no matter what. Did I miss all the cheering when Jamar sat out? Seriously, did I? All the support for Currie sitting by the bench and taking notes? If I missed all the support for Currie being Currie, clue me in. Did I miss when Currie routinely asked for the thoughts of Joe Fan on how to run the AD?
I can think of multiple tuck idiots I've talked to in person who thought Currie's actions surrounding Jamargate were not only okay, but also the right thing to do.
Someone post that captain crap bat signal thingie
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
Yeah, just because our shitty, racist fans didn't cause any of this to happen doesn't mean that they don't deserve every bit of misery that comes their way. They may not have caused it, but they rough ridin' fist pumped and party rocked when we ran Frank and hired oscar. They're shitty people who deserve bad things regardless of their influence.
I'm not racist against Cubans or any Cuban married to a black woman, just white people. Maybe that's why I have no misery today, just joy for the homie Frank.
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 05:50:03 PM
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 26, 2017, 05:52:31 PM
I don't think any fans were truly happy when we ran off Frank and replaced him with oscar. They're just fans trying to make the most of a shitty deal.
They may not have been happy we hired oscar, but I bet 10-20% of our fans were rough ridin' pumped when we ran Frank.
Post by: sys on March 26, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
I don't think any fans were truly happy when we ran off Frank and replaced him with oscar. They're just fans trying to make the most of a shitty deal.
same thing.
Post by: michigancat on March 26, 2017, 05:53:33 PM
I don't think any fans were truly happy when we ran off Frank and replaced him with oscar. They're just fans trying to make the most of a shitty deal.
They may not have been happy we hired oscar, but I bet 10-20% of our fans were rough ridin' pumped when we ran Frank.
true. I'm guessing you can go back on this board and see how lukewarm people were about Frank's performance before he was run off.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 26, 2017, 05:55:17 PM
I don't think any fans were truly happy when we ran off Frank and replaced him with oscar. They're just fans trying to make the most of a shitty deal.
They may not have been happy we hired oscar, but I bet 10-20% of our fans were rough ridin' pumped when we ran Frank.
true. I'm guessing you can go back on this board and see how lukewarm people were about Frank's performance before he was run off.
I think another 10-20% of our fans were pretty ambivalent about it too. Like, "Frank's alright, but he says bad words, and I bet we can get somebody just as good."
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 06:30:43 PM
Random question: any chance Frank parlays this into a job somewhere else? Or do you guys think he'll be at SCar for a long time (and inevitably get a gigantic raise)?
Post by: renocat on March 26, 2017, 06:42:45 PM
Post by: MadCat on March 26, 2017, 06:44:11 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 26, 2017, 06:48:20 PM
Just a bunch of whining going on in this thread. I'm happy for and impressed by Frank at SC. Some people are able to do that and not piss and moan like a toddler.Not me.
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 06:56:47 PM
A potential remaining torny path for EMAW Frank is baylor,wisconsin,west virginia,squawks.
FPs, TCs, etc.
:frown:
At least for this next one there's revenge for when that guy hoodwinked a bunch of us into going to the gonzaga bar and we all got boo'd hard by their fans, but that was pretty fun anyway.
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 07:09:20 PM
My take is Martin always loved the average grunt fans and students. I get no such vibe from Weber. I found myself rooting for Frank. Little guy made good. I am glad we gave him the chance.
I agree.
Post by: Pete on March 26, 2017, 07:13:32 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 26, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 26, 2017, 08:11:03 PM
I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.He sent a personal note to a friend of mine after the death of a child.
Post by: Trim on March 26, 2017, 08:20:22 PM
I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.
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Post by: BBF$$Kat on March 26, 2017, 08:42:57 PM
Memories.... :cry:I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 08:43:36 PM
I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.
It was more than a picture and I'll never forgive those motherfuckers for that.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
Either way, this thread is for loving Frank Martin so everybody stfu.
Random question: any chance Frank parlays this into a job somewhere else? Or do you guys think he'll be at SCar for a long time (and inevitably get a gigantic raise)?
He's a pretty loyal dude, I think he's there for life. He's been away from Miami for a very long time, he's close enough to see Shakey and Lourdes whenever he wants to.
Post by: BBF$$Kat on March 26, 2017, 08:46:39 PM
:dunno: :nono:I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.
It was more than a picture and I'll never forgive those motherfuckers for that.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 26, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
:dunno: :nono:I don't know why I remember this but didn't frank take a picture with a bunch of pakr's at a Wichita pizza joint one time? He always struck me as genuine in that way that he actually cares about people.
It was more than a picture and I'll never forgive those motherfuckers for that.
I was playing at a golf tournament at Reflection Ridge and I met up with you guys about 10 minutes after Frank left.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 26, 2017, 09:12:41 PM
Frank and his mama
Post by: catastrophe on March 26, 2017, 09:50:35 PM
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 26, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Quote
I had a good friend back in Indiana who would get worked up over sporting games. He was an avid St. Louis fan. One day a St. Louis player sustained an injury and was out for the whole season. My friend was moping around all depressed for several days. He was visiting his parents for Sunday dinner and was moping around when his dad grabbed him by the shirt collar: "That son of a bleep could care less whether you live or die tomorrow and you're all depressed because of his injury." I'll never forget that Monday when my friend came to work and told me of those wise words uttered by his father. We laughed until we fell on the floor because it was the awful truth.
I have the same words of wisdom for a large number of Kansas State fans who are bawling all over themselves because ole Frank Martin was chased out of Manhattan by that dirty John Currie. FRANK MARTIN COULD CARE LESS IF MANHATTAN, KANSAS WAS BLOWN OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP TOMORROW. Frank Martin doesn't give a rat's ass about Kansas State or any of you Kansas State fans. He doesn't care any more about your school than Brad Underwood cared about Oklahoma State. Some of these people actually believe Frank Martin would still be in Manhattan, Kansas if John Currie had not chased him out of Manhattan. They claim that Frank, and his wife, really liked it in Manhattan. I'm sure some of them can tell us how Frank, and his wife, even told them as much. I've got news for you. Brad Underwood stated, a few days before he hopped a plane for Illinois, that Oklahoma State was one of the best basketball schools in the nation....and he was going to do everything he could do to make sure that it returned to Glory! He then stated he was a man of his word!
When Frank Martin told some of you that he really wanted to stay in Manhattan, he played you for a con like many coaches do. It's like Bob Huggins saying: "There is only one job that would have made me leave Kansas State......" It makes you feel gushy all over, but you know it's nothing more than words. There's only one thing you can believe and that is ACTIONS. Frank Martin had no plans to stay in the pastures of Kansas. His family was in Florida. His son lived in Florida. The only reason he stayed here as long as he did was because no one wanted him. When Currie gave Frank a contract extension which included him making over one million per year, Frank cried on TV saying how lucky of a man he was.....gushing about the opportunity K-State had afforded he and his family. Within six months, the man was, publicly, campaigning for the Miami job. He actually stated that he would listen to any program that would contact him because he had to think about his family. Right then and there, K-State fans should have known Frank was gone if, and when, the job of his dreams came calling. If that wasn't enough, Frank complained because Miami did not contact him.
He actually implied that Miami didn't contact him because they thought he was making 1.7 million when he was only making 1.1 million. At that point in time, I determined I would not have any more gushy feelings about Frank and his wife's waxing sentimental about Manhattan.
Just the other day, Frank threw sand in K-State faces when he made a statement about how South Carolina fans were the best of all the places he had been....or something to that effect. K-State fans.....quit crying over Frank Martin. He doesn't have one ounce of a care about you or your school.
I have always stated this. Frank gave us some fun memories. When he left, I wished him well and hoped that he would do well for himself, and his family. I wished this because it would mean that Frank had gained control of his temper. I stated if he did not, he would end up being a failure. When he went to South Carolina, Frank was suspended once and warned another time if memory serves me correctly. He was walking on thin ice. It is evident that Frank took the proper steps through counseling, or medicine, and has gained control. He's not the same raving lunatic that he was when at Manhattan. I'm happy for him and his family. But this is one fan who is not going to spend the next week crying over a coach who never really wanted to be in Manhattan any more than Brad Underwood wanted to be in Stillwater.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 11:08:48 PM
QuoteI had a good friend back in Indiana who would get worked up over sporting games. He was an avid St. Louis fan. One day a St. Louis player sustained an injury and was out for the whole season. My friend was moping around all depressed for several days. He was visiting his parents for Sunday dinner and was moping around when his dad grabbed him by the shirt collar: "That son of a bleep could care less whether you live or die tomorrow and you're all depressed because of his injury." I'll never forget that Monday when my friend came to work and told me of those wise words uttered by his father. We laughed until we fell on the floor because it was the awful truth.
I have the same words of wisdom for a large number of Kansas State fans who are bawling all over themselves because ole Frank Martin was chased out of Manhattan by that dirty John Currie. FRANK MARTIN COULD CARE LESS IF MANHATTAN, KANSAS WAS BLOWN OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP TOMORROW. Frank Martin doesn't give a rat's ass about Kansas State or any of you Kansas State fans. He doesn't care any more about your school than Brad Underwood cared about Oklahoma State. Some of these people actually believe Frank Martin would still be in Manhattan, Kansas if John Currie had not chased him out of Manhattan. They claim that Frank, and his wife, really liked it in Manhattan. I'm sure some of them can tell us how Frank, and his wife, even told them as much. I've got news for you. Brad Underwood stated, a few days before he hopped a plane for Illinois, that Oklahoma State was one of the best basketball schools in the nation....and he was going to do everything he could do to make sure that it returned to Glory! He then stated he was a man of his word!
When Frank Martin told some of you that he really wanted to stay in Manhattan, he played you for a con like many coaches do. It's like Bob Huggins saying: "There is only one job that would have made me leave Kansas State......" It makes you feel gushy all over, but you know it's nothing more than words. There's only one thing you can believe and that is ACTIONS. Frank Martin had no plans to stay in the pastures of Kansas. His family was in Florida. His son lived in Florida. The only reason he stayed here as long as he did was because no one wanted him. When Currie gave Frank a contract extension which included him making over one million per year, Frank cried on TV saying how lucky of a man he was.....gushing about the opportunity K-State had afforded he and his family. Within six months, the man was, publicly, campaigning for the Miami job. He actually stated that he would listen to any program that would contact him because he had to think about his family. Right then and there, K-State fans should have known Frank was gone if, and when, the job of his dreams came calling. If that wasn't enough, Frank complained because Miami did not contact him.
He actually implied that Miami didn't contact him because they thought he was making 1.7 million when he was only making 1.1 million. At that point in time, I determined I would not have any more gushy feelings about Frank and his wife's waxing sentimental about Manhattan.
Just the other day, Frank threw sand in K-State faces when he made a statement about how South Carolina fans were the best of all the places he had been....or something to that effect. K-State fans.....quit crying over Frank Martin. He doesn't have one ounce of a care about you or your school.
I have always stated this. Frank gave us some fun memories. When he left, I wished him well and hoped that he would do well for himself, and his family. I wished this because it would mean that Frank had gained control of his temper. I stated if he did not, he would end up being a failure. When he went to South Carolina, Frank was suspended once and warned another time if memory serves me correctly. He was walking on thin ice. It is evident that Frank took the proper steps through counseling, or medicine, and has gained control. He's not the same raving lunatic that he was when at Manhattan. I'm happy for him and his family. But this is one fan who is not going to spend the next week crying over a coach who never really wanted to be in Manhattan any more than Brad Underwood wanted to be in Stillwater.
Guarantee this guy chiding everyone for falling prey to Frank's con also voted for Trump :users:
Post by: mocat on March 26, 2017, 11:11:56 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 26, 2017, 11:53:17 PM
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2017, 06:16:43 AM
However, I need to have more empathy. They are just scared. Some of these people must feel soul crushing shame for their past support of John Currie in lieu of Frank. The pain that they must feel is so sad...the fear of looking like absolute rough ridin' fools, of being utterly and completely taken advantage of (again) by their beloved authority figure, must be absolutely suffocating.
I have felt very scared in my life at many different times, and it led me to make horrible decisions, and do things that I regretted. I get it. I am no better than them.
Let's practice some kindness with these people who are behaving cowardly, and hope that our kindness helps them transition to a more truthful existence. Remember, they aren't gutless fucks, they are just BEHAVING like gutless fucks.
EMAW!
Post by: MakeItRain on March 27, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
Post by: 0.42 on March 27, 2017, 10:09:38 AM
I find it hard to root for a program whose fan base tolerated the running off of Frank Martin.
Yeah, I can't imagine being embarrassed by Frank Martin, but so many of our fans were. We really value appearances more than substance at K-State, which I'm sure is pretty much the opposite of the way those people perceive themselves. We're shallow hypocrites and we deserve every shitty thing that happens to us as a fanbase. Not all of us, but most of us. As a whole, we're awful.
The Word :frown:
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 10:31:08 AM
If some wizard could slap a goEMAW reference on there, that would be a great avi for all of us to use across all platforms as this continues.
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Post by: MadCat on March 27, 2017, 10:48:18 AM
Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 10:49:29 AM
You gonna @ somebody at some point?
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 11:27:04 AM
Probably the only SCAR gear I'm gonna get.
If some wizard could slap a goEMAW reference on there, that would be a great avi for all of us to use across all platforms as this continues.
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If I bought one of these and had it shipped to wherever the Gooches live at that time, could Mrs. Gooch sew (embroider?) "goEMAW.com" onto/into it, for a FattyFest auction item?
Post by: Pete on March 27, 2017, 11:52:54 AM
You gonna @ somebody at some point?
Not you, SDK, nor this board...the Lon Floyd catbacker crowds and such.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
Not you, SDK, nor this board...the Lon Floyd catbacker crowds and such.
It's time for gE to be the lead sponsor of another kc catbacker event.
Post by: Trim on March 27, 2017, 11:59:27 AM
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Missouri – Kansas City
The Granfalloon
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Kansas City, MO 64112
Washington – Seattle
Whisky West
6451 California Ave SW
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Post by: SdK on March 27, 2017, 12:09:03 PM
:thumbs:You gonna @ somebody at some point?
Not you, SDK, nor this board...the Lon Floyd catbacker crowds and such.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 12:57:21 PM
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/846414056709861378
https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/846414324923060224
Post by: pissclams on March 27, 2017, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 27, 2017, 03:54:15 PM
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Currie made a decision to bench Jamar when we played Syracuse. Basically, for a fake infraction he felt would occur from the NCAA. Currie did not hire Frank. And if you know Curries history from Tennessee he wasn't doing any favors by leaving there. He wants to be in control. To be very, very clear....Shane Southwell, Will Spradling were the main two to complain about Frank's mouth along with their parents. Stop making up assumptions. Right after the Syracuse loss the wheels began to turn with Frank leaving. As I have stated many times before he is still extremely close to everyone except maybe Will. Not sure about Shane. So no matter what any of you want to believe or conjure up its not the NCAA rules or its dynamics, it's John Currie and some parents who don't understand that coaches curse at your kids. If your kids don't like it, you and your kid SHOULD LEAVE, NOT THE COACH. But Currie didn't want a winning Coach who was bigger than him. He wanted a Coach he could control. He certainly couldn't FIRE a winning Coach. So with pressure, Frank got a great job and Karma is a bitch. Currie is gone, KSTATE basically has a losing basketball program compared to when Frank was here, and Frank is in the Final Four with South Carolina. End of story. Please stop making things up.
Post by: wetwillie on March 27, 2017, 03:57:32 PM
Post by: Steffy08 on March 27, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
JO's mom. (Salute response.)QuoteCurrie made a decision to bench Jamar when we played Syracuse. Basically, for a fake infraction he felt would occur from the NCAA. Currie did not hire Frank. And if you know Curries history from Tennessee he wasn't doing any favors by leaving there. He wants to be in control. To be very, very clear....Shane Southwell, Will Spradling were the main two to complain about Frank's mouth along with their parents. Stop making up assumptions. Right after the Syracuse loss the wheels began to turn with Frank leaving. As I have stated many times before he is still extremely close to everyone except maybe Will. Not sure about Shane. So no matter what any of you want to believe or conjure up its not the NCAA rules or its dynamics, it's John Currie and some parents who don't understand that coaches curse at your kids. If your kids don't like it, you and your kid SHOULD LEAVE, NOT THE COACH. But Currie didn't want a winning Coach who was bigger than him. He wanted a Coach he could control. He certainly couldn't FIRE a winning Coach. So with pressure, Frank got a great job and Karma is a bitch. Currie is gone, KSTATE basically has a losing basketball program compared to when Frank was here, and Frank is in the Final Four with South Carolina. End of story. Please stop making things up.
Can you imagine Currie hiring a new football coach?
Post by: michigancat on March 27, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
JO's mom. (Salute response.)QuoteCurrie made a decision to bench Jamar when we played Syracuse. Basically, for a fake infraction he felt would occur from the NCAA. Currie did not hire Frank. And if you know Curries history from Tennessee he wasn't doing any favors by leaving there. He wants to be in control. To be very, very clear....Shane Southwell, Will Spradling were the main two to complain about Frank's mouth along with their parents. Stop making up assumptions. Right after the Syracuse loss the wheels began to turn with Frank leaving. As I have stated many times before he is still extremely close to everyone except maybe Will. Not sure about Shane. So no matter what any of you want to believe or conjure up its not the NCAA rules or its dynamics, it's John Currie and some parents who don't understand that coaches curse at your kids. If your kids don't like it, you and your kid SHOULD LEAVE, NOT THE COACH. But Currie didn't want a winning Coach who was bigger than him. He wanted a Coach he could control. He certainly couldn't FIRE a winning Coach. So with pressure, Frank got a great job and Karma is a bitch. Currie is gone, KSTATE basically has a losing basketball program compared to when Frank was here, and Frank is in the Final Four with South Carolina. End of story. Please stop making things up.
I'm sure it's been discussed, but it's widely confirmed that Shannon Spradling is a red-assed cussing dickhead of a coach, right?
Post by: chum1 on March 27, 2017, 05:11:54 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on March 27, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
Will was 2nd in minutes per game in 11-12 but my guess is Frank was giving Will & Shannon crap over not getting any of the good mokan guys
Post by: WildcatPower on March 27, 2017, 06:06:20 PM
News flash. Frank is right in terms of kids haven't changed. It's the adults who have changed, and demand less from their kids. If Huggins agrees with that, then you know it's a fact.
To the dumb ass tucks, you reap what you sow. You are the reason why we can't have nice things (ie. National Champions, Conference Champs, etc.). If you're all butt hurt about a college coach who actually cares about the players (and there is strong evidence of this, see Pullen to name one), who are adults, that sometimes the coach has to resort to using the full dictionary, then you're in the wrong business. This ain't JAM basketball. I'd rather have my coach yell at me because that tells me he does care about me and he's working with me to try to become a better player, one way or another. If you can't handle being yelled at, then you're not mentally strong enough to be a productive individual on the court, and you'd be better off playing in the rec league.
Want evidence? Compare Martin's team to Weber's team. You'll KNOW and INSTANTLY notice the difference between those teams, talent be damned. The grit and toughness under Martin was a fantastic sight to see, and they come to play, even if they have a off-day on offense, at least they can play some defense and show toughness.
Weber? Lol. A weakling.
Huggins is exactly the same cut as Frank is, albeit different in some areas, but same nonetheless. If the coach doesn't yell at you for whatever reason, then you know you're hosed.
And Currie.... woe is you. You could have been a great AD for Kansas State, had you not micromanaged the hell out of every little damned thing, just because you want to go on a power trip. I hope your teams in Tennessee fails miserably and becomes the new "Vanderbilt" in the SEC.
Post by: catastrophe on March 27, 2017, 06:18:00 PM
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Post by: gatoveintisiet on March 27, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
Post by: Bookcat on March 27, 2017, 09:20:11 PM
RIP KSU Hoops until, maybe.....2020.... Who knows by then. ? We might make the Tornament.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
Will Spradling had his girl voice feelings hurt, cried to mommy and daddy and it got back to John Currie and it was all the excuse John needed to tell Frank "hey, I didn't hire you, so there's the door...I'm the AD".We just made the tournament, dumbass.
RIP KSU Hoops until, maybe.....2020.... Who knows by then. ? We might make the Tornament.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 28, 2017, 08:38:23 AM
Will Spradling had his girl voice feelings hurt, cried to mommy and daddy and it got back to John Currie and it was all the excuse John needed to tell Frank "hey, I didn't hire you, so there's the door...I'm the AD".We just made the tournament, dumbass.
RIP KSU Hoops until, maybe.....2020.... Who knows by then. ? We might make the Tornament.
Did we win a game? Genuinely curious to know if you think that counts as a legit tourney win. I don't. Half a win...maybe.
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 08:46:44 AM
https://twitter.com/chambershoops/status/846168380000296960
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
He was acting like we didn't make the tournament nor have we since Frank has left. I don't care how you count a play in win. Just sick of the melodramatic dumbasses. Obviously we'd rather have frank, but we don't.Will Spradling had his girl voice feelings hurt, cried to mommy and daddy and it got back to John Currie and it was all the excuse John needed to tell Frank "hey, I didn't hire you, so there's the door...I'm the AD".We just made the tournament, dumbass.
RIP KSU Hoops until, maybe.....2020.... Who knows by then. ? We might make the Tornament.
Did we win a game? Genuinely curious to know if you think that counts as a legit tourney win. I don't. Half a win...maybe.
Post by: meow meow on March 28, 2017, 09:01:20 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2017, 09:01:54 AM
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Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2017, 09:19:32 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2017, 09:25:37 AM
Is Frank the only coach to make it to the final four prior to collecting his first league championship?
Shaka Smart did it.
Post by: GregKSU1027 on March 28, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
Look how far he has comeIs Frank the only coach to make it to the final four prior to collecting his first league championship?
Shaka Smart did it.
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Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 09:45:39 AM
Also Kevin Ollie. I'm guessing it's happened fairly often.Is Frank the only coach to make it to the final four prior to collecting his first league championship?
Shaka Smart did it.
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Post by: Tobias on March 28, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 10:30:11 AM
Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 10:31:18 AM
Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?
oscar won the big 10 in 04 and 05, finished second (tie) in 06 and 09.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 10:33:01 AM
I should rephrase: It's easier for a non-elite team to make it to a Final Four. It could be more difficult for a school like Kentucky or Kansas or Villanova to make a Final Four than win a conference title. Because they have more to lose when luck is a factor.Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
I should rephrase: It's easier for a non-elite team to make it to a Final Four. It could be more difficult for a school like Kentucky or Kansas or Villanova to make a Final Four than win a conference title. Because they have more to lose when luck is a factor.Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
I agree with this.
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2017, 11:54:48 AM
That said there are a host of other fair grievances with Currie. Specifically, it's Currie's job to do every reasonable thing he can do to keep the talent happy. It's clear to me (especially in light of the Mike Cox situ.) that Currie is a complete failure when it comes to managing his head coaches. To anyone who still had doubts about whose "fault" Frank's departure was, the Mike Cox issue should be all you need to vindicate Frank.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
To state what is probably obvious, I bet Frank was a nightmare to supervise. Yes, he won, but really, him screaming "eff!" in a way that could be heard throughout the OOD is -- suboptimal? I don't blame Currie for trying to address that to some degree. Curse all you want at practice and at games, but, can you try not doing it in such a way that everyone in the building can hear you? I mean, that's not an unreasonable demand from an AD I don't think.
That said there are a host of other fair grievances with Currie. Specifically, it's Currie's job to do every reasonable thing he can do to keep the talent happy. It's clear to me (especially in light of the Mike Cox situ.) that Currie is a complete failure when it comes to managing his head coaches. To anyone who still had doubts about whose "fault" Frank's departure was, the Mike Cox issue should be all you need to vindicate Frank.
I like your consistency with being reasonable when you post Dlew.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 28, 2017, 12:38:05 PM
a normal functioning adult would have been able to convey this info to frank in a normal/non condescending way and I don't think currie was capable of that. I guarantee I could have.
Post by: manpow5 on March 28, 2017, 01:22:45 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 28, 2017, 01:24:39 PM
I knew a girl who "dated" Spradling. Said he talked a big game, but was pretty much a pussy who got handed everything.This must have been HS, because he was pretty much with the same girl all through college. Everyone shits on this kid, but you guys should really be shitting on the coaching staff if you hate him that much.
Post by: manpow5 on March 28, 2017, 01:50:22 PM
I knew a girl who "dated" Spradling. Said he talked a big game, but was pretty much a pussy who got handed everything.This must have been HS, because he was pretty much with the same girl all through college. Everyone shits on this kid, but you guys should really be shitting on the coaching staff if you hate him that much.
Nope, Sprads Freshman year. She chased jerseys.
Post by: wetwillie on March 28, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
I should rephrase: It's easier for a non-elite team to make it to a Final Four. It could be more difficult for a school like Kentucky or Kansas or Villanova to make a Final Four than win a conference title. Because they have more to lose when luck is a factor.Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
I agree with this.
Did the research and the unofficial results stoping at 1985 with tourney expansion it was 11/46 that made a final four before a league championship. Kind of * with some guys who won them at lower leagues but never with the team they took to final four.
Rick Pitino 1987
Steve Fisher 1989
PJ Carlesimo 1989
Lon Kruger 1994
Mike Montgomery 1998
Dick Bennett 2000
Kelvin Sampson 2002
Paul Hewitt 2004
Shaka Smart 2011
Kevin Ollie 2014
Frank Martin 2017
Post by: Tobias on March 28, 2017, 02:08:31 PM
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 02:11:49 PM
Post by: DQ12 on March 28, 2017, 02:26:41 PM
yes frank would have been a mild pita to manage and yes he needed to tone down the language, etc.Being that you're not a power hungry, paranoid control freak, I'm sure you're right.
a normal functioning adult would have been able to convey this info to frank in a normal/non condescending way and I don't think currie was capable of that. I guarantee I could have.
If the Mike Cox thing has any legs, it's by far the strangest pursuit Currie has ever devised. Frankly ( ;) ) that makes the Frank stuff look like child's play imo.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
I knew a girl who "dated" Spradling. Said he talked a big game, but was pretty much a pussy who got handed everything.This must have been HS, because he was pretty much with the same girl all through college. Everyone shits on this kid, but you guys should really be shitting on the coaching staff if you hate him that much.
what are you even talking about
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 28, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
yes frank would have been a mild pita to manage and yes he needed to tone down the language, etc.
a normal functioning adult would have been able to convey this info to frank in a normal/non condescending way and I don't think currie was capable of that. I guarantee I could have.
If Frank thought the AD was for him and not against him, its reasonable to assume he would've been more adaptable while here at KSU
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2017, 02:45:05 PM
I knew a girl who "dated" Spradling. Said he talked a big game, but was pretty much a pussy who got handed everything.
Well good thing Frank "handout" Martin is no longer around to baby our players like he did with Will then.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
No way Oscar ever gets this kind of play. Frank is the talk of college basketball.
Post by: 114Hickory on March 28, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
Post by: catastrophe on March 28, 2017, 05:26:23 PM
All Frank all day today. ESPN radio this morning with DL, and then Bobby Cremins (USCe Alum) singing Frank's praises on regional sports talk radio later in the day.
No way Oscar ever gets this kind of play. Frank is the talk of college basketball.
If oscar made the FF as a 7th seed or higher (which isn't going to happen), he would get plenty of play as well.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 28, 2017, 05:31:12 PM
All Frank all day today. ESPN radio this morning with DL, and then Bobby Cremins (USCe Alum) singing Frank's praises on regional sports talk radio later in the day.
No way Oscar ever gets this kind of play. Frank is the talk of college basketball.
If oscar made the FF as a 7th seed or higher (which isn't going to happen), he would get plenty of play as well.
No, no he wouldn't. Not like this.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 07:49:01 PM
All Frank all day today. ESPN radio this morning with DL, and then Bobby Cremins (USCe Alum) singing Frank's praises on regional sports talk radio later in the day.
No way Oscar ever gets this kind of play. Frank is the talk of college basketball.
If oscar made the FF as a 7th seed or higher (which isn't going to happen), he would get plenty of play as well.
:lol:
Do you not see the charisma difference between Frank and oscar? Dana Altman and Mark Few have underdog stories, how much of them have we seen this week? Charisma.
Post by: Joker on March 28, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
oscar is the exact opposite. When oscar squeaks, people roll their eyes or nod off.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 08:02:23 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on March 28, 2017, 08:26:53 PM
I listen when oscar speaks because it's generally incoherent and hilarious
Kurtz compared him to Kanye.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
I listen when oscar speaks because it's generally incoherent and hilarious
Kurtz compared him to Kanye.
Oh man, I can't wait to read rusty's reaction to this.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 08:29:04 PM
I listen when oscar speaks because it's generally incoherent and hilarious
That's fine for politics, but not something serious like college basketball
Post by: Tobias on March 28, 2017, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
if your basketball team is going to be gross, being gross with oscar is about as good as it gets
I enjoyed being gross with Jim Wooldridge, I liked him and didn't feel weird cheering my ass off for him to turn the corner. I don't like the purgatory oscar has placed most of us in.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 08:46:03 PM
if your basketball team is going to be gross, being gross with oscar is about as good as it gets
I enjoyed being gross with Jim Wooldridge, I liked him and didn't feel weird cheering my ass off for him to turn the corner. I don't like the purgatory oscar has placed most of us in.
Yeah, it's weird to see fan's stat comparisons cause Oscar FEELS so much worse. I loved wooly and his teams and wanted him to dominate. I also didn't ever watch anyone but k-state so maybe I just had no calibration of what terrible was.
Post by: michigancat on March 28, 2017, 09:06:52 PM
if your basketball team is going to be gross, being gross with oscar is about as good as it gets
I enjoyed being gross with Jim Wooldridge, I liked him and didn't feel weird cheering my ass off for him to turn the corner. I don't like the purgatory oscar has placed most of us in.
Yeah, it's weird to see fan's stat comparisons cause Oscar FEELS so much worse. I loved wooly and his teams and wanted him to dominate. I also didn't ever watch anyone but k-state so maybe I just had no calibration of what terrible was.
A lot of it is you probably didn't appreciate how good Frank was, too.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 28, 2017, 10:27:15 PM
Post by: sys on March 28, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
i mean, mathematically, obviously it's not. but maybe you meant for non p5 schools.
Post by: kim carnes on March 28, 2017, 11:35:56 PM
It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
i mean, mathematically, obviously it's not. but maybe you meant for non p5 schools.
Yeah, there are 4 final 4 spots for all of the conferences and there are 5 P5 conference championships (5 > 4) Pretty amazing that someone would come on here and argue that it's easier as the math is straightforward but someone did so here we are.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 12:54:56 AM
It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
i mean, mathematically, obviously it's not. but maybe you meant for non p5 schools.
Yeah, there are 4 final 4 spots for all of the conferences and there are 5 P5 conference championships (5 > 4) Pretty amazing that someone would come on here and argue that it's easier as the math is straightforward but someone did so here we are.
WAIT! YOU CAN WIN A CONFERENCE BY ONLY WINNING FOUR GAMES? HOLY crap, THAT'S A BAD CONFERENCE!
Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2017, 06:14:26 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2017, 06:32:41 AM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18988768
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 07:18:25 AM
It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
i mean, mathematically, obviously it's not. but maybe you meant for non p5 schools.
I should rephrase: It's easier for a non-elite team to make it to a Final Four. It could be more difficult for a school like Kentucky or Kansas or Villanova to make a Final Four than win a conference title. Because they have more to lose when luck is a factor.Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
I imagine someone like Pomeroy could do the math.
Post by: Joker on March 29, 2017, 08:08:13 AM
I listen when oscar speaks because it's generally incoherent and hilarious
Sure. oscar's fanbase will listen. He's like our drunk uncle. But, I don't think anyone from the national stage cares to hear what our drunk uncle has to say.
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 08:09:13 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 08:24:19 AM
Are you all just trying to marginalize what frank accomplished this year by chalking it up to luck and matchups?I actually said he had a really difficult path. Definitely more difficult than his E8 run with us.
I do think it was easier than winning the SEC, though.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2017, 08:56:10 AM
i think that it's fair to say that usc can beat duke, baylor, and florida, but not kentucky
It is fair to say this, but SC could have won a share of the conference title this year without beating UK.
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 09:12:07 AM
i think that it's fair to say that usc can beat duke, baylor, and florida, but not kentucky
It is fair to say this, but SC could have won a share of the conference title this year without beating UK.
so what?
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2017, 09:32:51 AM
Post by: sys on March 29, 2017, 02:57:33 PM
It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
i mean, mathematically, obviously it's not. but maybe you meant for non p5 schools.I should rephrase: It's easier for a non-elite team to make it to a Final Four. It could be more difficult for a school like Kentucky or Kansas or Villanova to make a Final Four than win a conference title. Because they have more to lose when luck is a factor.Yea, I'm not sure getting to a FF is significantly harder than winning a major conference championship. Did oscar win the conference at Illinois when he did it?It's absolutely easier to make it to a Final Four than win a P5 Conference championship. You can get to a Final Four with a little luck and favorable matchups - not so with a regular season conference title.
I imagine someone like Pomeroy could do the math.
i understand your point - that a 14-18 game season makes it much more likely that the best team will win a conference compared to a four game subsample of a tournament resulting in the four best teams making that tournament's semifinals.
i just take issue with the premise, that we should assume the team of interest will not be the best team.
Post by: sys on March 29, 2017, 03:06:33 PM
Post by: pissclams on March 29, 2017, 03:22:39 PM
actually, no, i take issue with more than that. i don't like equating more variable with easier. just because luck plays a larger role in the outcome does not make it easier. the plain old pomeroyless coin flip odds are a more honest representation of which is easier.
so you're saying that frank can't coach and the only reason he made it to the final 4 is luck :rolleyes:
Post by: chum1 on March 29, 2017, 03:43:29 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 29, 2017, 08:57:14 PM
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html
Post by: ben ji on March 29, 2017, 09:02:52 PM
You guys are getting lost in the weeds. I'll get this thread back on track. Don't think this has been posted yet but not sure.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html
Wow, Wefald shits all over Currie.
Post by: ben ji on March 29, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
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“Frank should still be at K-State,” Wefald said. “John Currie wanted to hire his own coach, and they didn’t get along. It’s too bad. Frank told me many times that he wanted to coach here until he retired. Indeed, he told me that for a year or two after he left here.
“Now, of course, Frank is a Gamecock and he loves his job completely. But if someone like Tim Weiser, for example, had been the athletic director at K-State or someone like him in 2012 and in the years to come, Frank Martin would still be K-State’s head basketball coach.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html#storylink=cpy
So if Wefald is still president in 2012 he tells John Currie to shut the hell up and live with it or leave? What was the timeline of Wefald Leaving and Currie being hired?
Post by: 'taterblast on March 29, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
http://1350kman.com/the-game-32917/ (http://1350kman.com/the-game-32917/)
Post by: kim carnes on March 29, 2017, 10:05:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 29, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
You guys are getting lost in the weeds. I'll get this thread back on track. Don't think this has been posted yet but not sure.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html
Wow, Wefald shits all over Currie.
yeah that was a surprisingly insightful article.
Post by: Joker on March 30, 2017, 09:17:10 AM
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"I wasn't a feel-good story then, was I?" Martin recalled Tuesday. "I am fortunate that I have never been one to spend a lot of time worrying about what other people said or wrote about me, because a lot of it wasn't good. But there have been so many people who stood by me, who did it, quite frankly, when I probably didn't deserve it. I remember who those people were. And I know people will remember when I did the same for them."
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"At heart I am still a high school math teacher," he said. "I have done things I'm not proud of, and I have done a lot of things I am proud of. No matter what I have done, I'm an open book. I've got no secrets. My players aren't going to learn from me unless they know everything about me."
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19034606/south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-frank-martin-even-sure-all-frank-martin-stories
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2017, 09:31:39 AM
Post by: Cire on March 30, 2017, 09:33:38 AM
Post by: wetwillie on March 30, 2017, 10:05:47 AM
The next person to downplay frank's tourney success is getting banned lock stock and barrel
Let's see how he does without Figger before we call him a success.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 30, 2017, 10:13:34 AM
the tone of this board has always been anti-wefald yet here we are
Lots of feelings about Wefald. His tenure had its bright spots and its black marks, and his speeches as pep rallies were always just boring as crap, but yeah...he loves the qats.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
the tone of this board has always been anti-wefald yet here we are
Lots of feelings about Wefald. His tenure had its bright spots and its black marks, and his speeches as pep rallies were always just boring as crap, but yeah...he loves the qats.
my feelings about him are that he is a complete stud
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2017, 10:39:03 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
wefald was a stud for a period of time and then he turned 117 and his usefulness to cats u dried up but he stuck around and became anti-useful, then he left and instead of hiring the next up and coming wefald stud we hired dickhead fanimal who basically cauterized a lot of the growth that former stud wefald had put into motion. now we have a dude who is 10 years wefald's senior and all this guy knows is missiles and aircraft carriers.
aircraft carriers are awesome tho
Post by: pissclams on March 30, 2017, 10:55:13 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 30, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
wefald was a stud for a period of time and then he turned 117 and his usefulness to cats u dried up but he stuck around and became anti-useful, then he left and instead of hiring the next up and coming wefald stud we hired dickhead fanimal who basically cauterized a lot of the growth that former stud wefald had put into motion. now we have a dude who is 10 years wefald's senior and all this guy knows is missiles and aircraft carriers.
The Word.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 30, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 30, 2017, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: mocat on March 30, 2017, 11:24:11 AM
if wefald was an animal, what type would he be? i say aardvark.
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Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2017, 11:40:13 AM
You guys are getting lost in the weeds. I'll get this thread back on track. Don't think this has been posted yet but not sure.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article141535974.html
Thanks for posting this. You saved me from having to paste it as I was going to comment this evening.
There's no need to ban any properly stated opinion and view point. Actually, I heard about the article on KMAN
this afternoon as I drove home from work. Wefald claims that Frank would still be here if Currie had not been AD.
Well, he is entitled to his opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. There is no way Wefald could know if Frank was
serious about remaining at Kansas State. I would imagine there were more than a few Cowboys who thought
Brad Underwood was their coach for how ever many years it would take Underwood to return their program to glory.
After all, that's what the man told them. Within a few days, Underwood's words were nothing but a coach blowing hot air.
Wefald relates Martin told him that he (Martin) would like to retire at Kansas State. I have only one question.
Would Wefald expect that Frank would say any thing but those words?
"Hey President Wefald, I really thank you for the huge break you gave me. I was an unknown coach.....unproven and
I want you to know that I appreciate what you have done for us, but I'm going to move on as soon as Miami calls. No hard feelings, huh?"
I remember quite well when I was hired at my first job after finishing school. These were my exact words to the Director of the Department.
"Thank you for giving me this opportunity and putting your trust in me. To show my gratitude, I'll work here for at least one year
and as soon as a better deal comes along, I'll be departing." No, wait a minute, that's not what I said. I said the following:
"Thank you for giving me this opportunity and putting your trust in me. I really want to retire here in 40 years."
Actually, I didn't have the nerve to say that because I knew, and the Director would have known, I was blowing hot air.
Wefald claims that John Currie wanted to, "HIRE HIS OWN COACH". I hope John Currie responds to this allegation.
Did Currie tell Wefald that he wanted to get rid of Frank so he could hire his own coach? If not, then, Wefald is simply
forming this opinion. Obviously, Wefald can't understand why an AD would refuse to cater to Martin's every whim.
A case could be made, however, that Currie took his job seriously as head of Kansas State Athletics and, because of this,
had to insist that certain rules and decorum be followed. I know that Bill Self rules the roost in the Kansas Athletic Department
but, from the looks of things, some one should have enough back bone to say no at some point. After all,
President Wefald presided over the Ron Prince under the table payout and played fast and loose with donor money. Currie
was hired to stop the underhandedness and, obviously, he took his job seriously. In the world of sports, that can be a bad
thing because it's all about winning, baby.
As has been stated before, it's a good bet that we're not going to hear the other side of the story. President Wefald, and
Jamar Samuels, are entitled to their opinions but pardon me if I'm not that impressed.
Post by: michigancat on March 30, 2017, 02:16:52 PM
Yeah remember when dax credited Brad for any of Frank's success? That was great.The next person to downplay frank's tourney success is getting banned lock stock and barrel
Let's see how he does without Figger before we call him a success.
Post by: kim carnes on March 30, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
Yeah remember when dax credited Brad for any of Frank's success? That was great.The next person to downplay frank's tourney success is getting banned lock stock and barrel
Let's see how he does without Figger before we call him a success.
The strength coach is the common thread here
Post by: #LIFE on March 30, 2017, 02:41:13 PM
With Frank's success, at Manhattan, he still isn't getting any offers from comparable schools. When Frank's Rodriquez and Malone pipeline dries up, and there is a player revolt at hand, a basketball program, that is in complete shambles, decides to take a risk on Frank. Even still, South Carolina felt it necessary to inform Frank that his abuse of players would not be tolerated. He would be placed on a short leash and, in fact, was suspended early in his tenure at Columbia. At the very moment when Frank's record was destined to take a hit at K-State, he was saved by South Carolina. Frank was able to exit Kansas State before his mythical image was shattered.
Frank desperately needed another Jake Pullen and he got one. There were two players that grew up in Columbia's back yard, and were ready to play college ball, just as Frank began his South Carolina gig. The better player wanted to play basketball for Roy Williams, but ole Roy told Sindarius Thornwell to go to......well, not hell, but South Carolina. Frank got his Jake Pullen. Sindarius Thornwell is the SEC player of the year. Coaches don't win without good ball players. South Carolina's final four run doesn't happen without Sindarius Thornwell. If Roy Williams had decided to take Thornwell, Frank doesn't have a tournament appearance after five years.
My point? These things don't happen by chance. For whatever reason, Frank Martin has been guided to the top of the basketball world this year. This is not to say that he lacks coaching skills. Not at all! It's simply to say that Frank was destined for this. With this in mind, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Frank Martin coaching a blue blood at some point unless the FORCE turns against him at some point.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 30, 2017, 02:43:29 PM
Post by: slackcat on March 30, 2017, 03:05:45 PM
Post by: pvegs on March 30, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
One thing the man has in his favor is a boat load of mind boggling luck. It IS mind boggling when you think about it. With his baggage, and abusive temper, it would have taken him a long time to land a head coaching job at a Div. I school. Most likely it would never have occurred except for a series of incredibly, and inexplicably, fortunate occurrences. Huggins brings him on to kick start K-State because of his Rodriquez AAU connections. During Huggins first year, Frank becomes deathly ill because of drinking, comes down with acute pancreatitis and was close to death. As the story was related by Frank, a stranger visits his bedside and informs him that he will get better....and he did. After one year, West Virginia comes calling and Huggins leaves. The only way to keep Beasley, and the D.C. pipeline, is to offer Frank the job. Frank's abuse of Jake Pullen came within a hair of running Jake out of Manhattan. By a stroke of incredible luck, Jake Pullen stays, becomes the all time leading scorer in K-State history, and gave Frank an elite 8 with several NCAA appearances while at Manhattan. If Jake leaves, and he was within a hair of leaving, Frank is a failure at K-State. Follow me here, because it gets even more incredible.
With Frank's success, at Manhattan, he still isn't getting any offers from comparable schools. When Frank's Rodriquez and Malone pipeline dries up, and there is a player revolt at hand, a basketball program, that is in complete shambles, decides to take a risk on Frank. Even still, South Carolina felt it necessary to inform Frank that his abuse of players would not be tolerated. He would be placed on a short leash and, in fact, was suspended early in his tenure at Columbia. At the very moment when Frank's record was destined to take a hit at K-State, he was saved by South Carolina. Frank was able to exit Kansas State before his mythical image was shattered.
Frank desperately needed another Jake Pullen and he got one. There were two players that grew up in Columbia's back yard, and were ready to play college ball, just as Frank began his South Carolina gig. The better player wanted to play basketball for Roy Williams, but ole Roy told Sindarius Thornwell to go to......well, not hell, but South Carolina. Frank got his Jake Pullen. Sindarius Thornwell is the SEC player of the year. Coaches don't win without good ball players. South Carolina's final four run doesn't happen without Sindarius Thornwell. If Roy Williams had decided to take Thornwell, Frank doesn't have a tournament appearance after five years.
My point? These things don't happen by chance. For whatever reason, Frank Martin has been guided to the top of the basketball world this year. This is not to say that he lacks coaching skills. Not at all! It's simply to say that Frank was destined for this. With this in mind, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Frank Martin coaching a blue blood at some point unless the FORCE turns against him at some point.
good pts #life. god is real/great
Post by: nicname on March 30, 2017, 09:17:01 PM
"I'm just Coach Frank, man. We've got two games to win."
Frank Martin isn't even sure about all these Frank Martin stories
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19034606/south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-frank-martin-even-sure-all-frank-martin-stories
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2017, 11:38:14 PM
the tone of this board has always been anti-wefald yet here we are
Jon Michael Wefald was K-State's first black president.
Post by: renocat on March 31, 2017, 11:17:33 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 31, 2017, 11:25:45 AM
"I'm just Coach Frank, man. We've got two games to win."Frank Martin isn't even sure about all these Frank Martin storieshttp://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19034606/south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-frank-martin-even-sure-all-frank-martin-stories
He is the greatest of all-time
Post by: eat_beef on March 31, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2017, 12:34:28 PM
Yeah remember when dax credited Brad for any of Frank's success? That was great.The next person to downplay frank's tourney success is getting banned lock stock and barrel
Let's see how he does without Figger before we call him a success.
I do. Pretty fantastic take if you ask me.
Glad Frank absorbed all of it.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 31, 2017, 12:43:24 PM
Did politics play a role in the administration's dislike of Frank? Frank was a pull yourself up by the bootstraps individualist. He was listed as a sponsor (or something similar) of a fundraiser or dinner for Brownback prior to his first gubernatorial election. Seeing how Schulz was pretty PC, I imagine that he didn't care for that.
nah
Post by: Cire on March 31, 2017, 01:22:10 PM
Post by: Joker on March 31, 2017, 01:28:02 PM
Post by: wetwillie on March 31, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Post by: michigancat on March 31, 2017, 01:38:37 PM
Remember how enraged phog was when everyone called him just Frank all the time?
lol yes this was a great message board talking point. IT'S OBVIOUS THE PLAYERS DON'T RESPECT HIM!!!
Post by: Trim on March 31, 2017, 02:08:29 PM
Post by: Tobias on March 31, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
"clankmigos"
i use this irl all the time, peak dax
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 31, 2017, 03:05:31 PM
Remember when Dax would burn franks ass for the backdoor layups his defense gave up?
It was bad, man. It was all in the spirit of wanting more.
We could do that then. :(
Post by: steve dave on March 31, 2017, 03:13:29 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 31, 2017, 04:39:20 PM
Remember when Dax would burn franks ass for the backdoor layups his defense gave up?
It was bad, man. It was all in the spirit of wanting more.
We could do that then. :(
Yeah, it was great when backdoor layups were our program's biggest problem.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 31, 2017, 06:01:35 PM
man I love frank. he is the absolute best.
we named an entire month after him.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 01, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
Scroll down for a video clip of Frank's postgame presser :cry:
Post by: RickRampus on April 01, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
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Post by: ELL3 on April 01, 2017, 11:45:49 PM
One thing the man has in his favor is a boat load of mind boggling luck. It IS mind boggling when you think about it. With his baggage, and abusive temper, it would have taken him a long time to land a head coaching job at a Div. I school. Most likely it would never have occurred except for a series of incredibly, and inexplicably, fortunate occurrences. Huggins brings him on to kick start K-State because of his Rodriquez AAU connections. During Huggins first year, Frank becomes deathly ill because of drinking, comes down with acute pancreatitis and was close to death. As the story was related by Frank, a stranger visits his bedside and informs him that he will get better....and he did. After one year, West Virginia comes calling and Huggins leaves. The only way to keep Beasley, and the D.C. pipeline, is to offer Frank the job. Frank's abuse of Jake Pullen came within a hair of running Jake out of Manhattan. By a stroke of incredible luck, Jake Pullen stays, becomes the all time leading scorer in K-State history, and gave Frank an elite 8 with several NCAA appearances while at Manhattan. If Jake leaves, and he was within a hair of leaving, Frank is a failure at K-State. Follow me here, because it gets even more incredible.
With Frank's success, at Manhattan, he still isn't getting any offers from comparable schools. When Frank's Rodriquez and Malone pipeline dries up, and there is a player revolt at hand, a basketball program, that is in complete shambles, decides to take a risk on Frank. Even still, South Carolina felt it necessary to inform Frank that his abuse of players would not be tolerated. He would be placed on a short leash and, in fact, was suspended early in his tenure at Columbia. At the very moment when Frank's record was destined to take a hit at K-State, he was saved by South Carolina. Frank was able to exit Kansas State before his mythical image was shattered.
Frank desperately needed another Jake Pullen and he got one. There were two players that grew up in Columbia's back yard, and were ready to play college ball, just as Frank began his South Carolina gig. The better player wanted to play basketball for Roy Williams, but ole Roy told Sindarius Thornwell to go to......well, not hell, but South Carolina. Frank got his Jake Pullen. Sindarius Thornwell is the SEC player of the year. Coaches don't win without good ball players. South Carolina's final four run doesn't happen without Sindarius Thornwell. If Roy Williams had decided to take Thornwell, Frank doesn't have a tournament appearance after five years.
My point? These things don't happen by chance. For whatever reason, Frank Martin has been guided to the top of the basketball world this year. This is not to say that he lacks coaching skills. Not at all! It's simply to say that Frank was destined for this. With this in mind, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Frank Martin coaching a blue blood at some point unless the FORCE turns against him at some point.
Frank abusing alcohol and Will Spradling, he is now my favorite human being as well as coach
Post by: chum1 on April 02, 2017, 01:31:59 AM
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Post by: The Big Train on April 02, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
Someone reminded me about this thing.
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Wow I had never seen that before. My face is melting rn
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2017, 09:39:47 AM
Someone reminded me about this thing.
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Wow I had never seen that before. My face is melting rn
The work of catlab was very interesting.
Post by: The Big Train on April 02, 2017, 09:41:34 AM
Someone reminded me about this thing.
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Wow I had never seen that before. My face is melting rn
The work of catlab was very interesting.
I mean it was a good trip but wasn't quite expecting one
Post by: kso_FAN on April 02, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
Someone reminded me about this thing.
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Wow I had never seen that before. My face is melting rn
The work of catlab was very interesting.
I mean it was a good trip but wasn't quite expecting one
Well, there are a plethora of trips available: https://www.youtube.com/user/tdj7349/videos
Post by: The Big Train on April 02, 2017, 09:51:08 AM
Someone reminded me about this thing.
https://youtu.be/op-3hDlRtPY
Wow I had never seen that before. My face is melting rn
The work of catlab was very interesting.
I mean it was a good trip but wasn't quite expecting one
Well, there are a plethora of trips available: https://www.youtube.com/user/tdj7349/videos
There's some good ones in there. I forgot about the Dana holgerson halftime adjustments one :lol: the Miami vice stuff :lol:
Post by: Joker on April 05, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
https://twitter.com/SEC/status/849403718604791808
Post by: Pett on February 01, 2018, 09:01:15 AM
jfc you guys.
Post by: 8manpick on February 01, 2018, 04:25:57 PM
Just opened this thread for the first time since March... This post aged perfectlyJO's mom. (Salute response.)QuoteCurrie made a decision to bench Jamar when we played Syracuse. Basically, for a fake infraction he felt would occur from the NCAA. Currie did not hire Frank. And if you know Curries history from Tennessee he wasn't doing any favors by leaving there. He wants to be in control. To be very, very clear....Shane Southwell, Will Spradling were the main two to complain about Frank's mouth along with their parents. Stop making up assumptions. Right after the Syracuse loss the wheels began to turn with Frank leaving. As I have stated many times before he is still extremely close to everyone except maybe Will. Not sure about Shane. So no matter what any of you want to believe or conjure up its not the NCAA rules or its dynamics, it's John Currie and some parents who don't understand that coaches curse at your kids. If your kids don't like it, you and your kid SHOULD LEAVE, NOT THE COACH. But Currie didn't want a winning Coach who was bigger than him. He wanted a Coach he could control. He certainly couldn't FIRE a winning Coach. So with pressure, Frank got a great job and Karma is a bitch. Currie is gone, KSTATE basically has a losing basketball program compared to when Frank was here, and Frank is in the Final Four with South Carolina. End of story. Please stop making things up.
Can you imagine Currie hiring a new football coach?
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on February 01, 2018, 07:02:17 PM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TA6XjlInI4[/youtube]
jfc you guys.
