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Title: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: renocat on March 11, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
Well Oscar out lasted his replacement.  Proves hiring and firing has its perils.  Illini think they are going to get Greg Marshal.  Won't happen. 
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: wetwillie on March 11, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
Well Oscar out lasted his replacement.  Proves hiring and firing has its perils.  Illini think they are going to get Greg Marshal.  Won't happen. 

No they don't.  They think Indiana is going to get Greggggg and that they are going to get Archie Miller.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 11, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
Groce was way worse than oscar, like by a lot.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 11, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
At this point I'm not sure who's more delusional about their program, Mizzou or Illinoize. Illinoize couldn't even hire back oscar.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 11, 2017, 05:46:56 PM
At this point I'm not sure who's more delusional about their program, Mizzou or Illinoize. Illinoize couldn't even hire back oscar.

Yeah, they are both in a sad state. When you combine Illinois men's BB and football... WOOF.

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: dal9 on March 11, 2017, 06:40:21 PM
isnt lovie smith good
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 11, 2017, 07:53:39 PM
https://twitter.com/rungirlrun26/status/840677253881221122
https://twitter.com/mdthompFWFB/status/840672640562024449
https://twitter.com/KingDonutI/status/840718416856068096
https://twitter.com/rivermen7/status/840708107965759489
https://twitter.com/nerdrium/status/840697780758802432
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 11, 2017, 08:23:12 PM
At this point I'm not sure who's more delusional about their program, Mizzou or Illinoize. Illinoize couldn't even hire back oscar.

Yeah, they are both in a sad state. When you combine Illinois men's BB and football... WOOF.
What's even sadder is we happily lapped up their  garbage.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 11, 2017, 08:32:33 PM
Groce was way worse than oscar, like by a lot.
Really?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/john-groce-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/oscar-weber-1.html

Seems pretty close to me.
Title: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 11, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
I'm talking the last 5 years.

kp finishes of 27, 45, 80, 55, 29. 1 league title. 2 NCAAs, probably 3.

Vs 39, 52, 60, 125, 70. 1 NCAA. 2 NITs.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 11, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
Took over different situations as well.  I mean they both shuold have been fired last year
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
They gave Beckman a buy out? No way.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 11, 2017, 10:18:11 PM
They gave Beckman a buy out? No way.
Oh its a crap show around here
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 11, 2017, 10:28:43 PM
They gave Beckman a buy out? No way.
Oh its a crap show around here

Yikes. We're they afraid of a lawsuit or something? Giving someone money after you've fired them for cause makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trogdor on March 11, 2017, 10:56:31 PM
Those tweets made me lol
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 12, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
We do have a lot of crazy people 'round these parts.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MidIllini on March 14, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
I'm talking the last 5 years.

kp finishes of 27, 45, 80, 55, 29. 1 league title. 2 NCAAs, probably 3.

Vs 39, 52, 60, 125, 70. 1 NCAA. 2 NITs.

Weber's last five seasons at Illinois:
98 - 73 (.573) overall / 41 - 49 (.455) conference

Groce's five seasons at Illinois:
95 - 74 (.562) overall / 37 - 53 (.411) conference

Illinois' last ten seasons:
193 - 147 (.567) overall / 78 - 102 (.433) conference

Not a lot of difference between the two...and what will KSU's record look like five years from now?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: pissclams on March 14, 2017, 09:26:48 AM
and what will KSU's record look like five years from now?

it will be better than .567/.433 and played in a better conference
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on March 14, 2017, 02:01:15 PM
I've heard rumors they're interested in Jankovich.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2017, 02:15:18 PM
I've heard rumors they're interested in Jankovich.

Hopefully they get him.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Bookcat on March 14, 2017, 02:51:02 PM
Jank's ex wife lives in MHK. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to move back and start networking again with her circle of friends that think he's the debil.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 14, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
Jank's ex wife lives in MHK. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to move back and start networking again with her circle of friends that think he's the debil.
I bet he DGAF about any of that.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
Didn't see this coming...

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/843191589258366976
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:08:07 PM
uh...
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:08:19 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
Man.  Good thing we didn't dump oscar for that guy.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: manpow5 on March 18, 2017, 03:12:27 PM
 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
Looks legit.

https://twitter.com/RyanBakerMedia/status/843192916562530305
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 03:15:10 PM
uh...
Appears to be legitimate.  Hope he has not signed anything yet.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
Wow. Good thing we didn't waste money on him
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:17:26 PM
I'm lol'n at the hilarity of this turn
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:17:40 PM
Alright Brad, let's Painter/Altman this thing. We can do this.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 18, 2017, 03:18:38 PM
yuck.  :frown:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
Obviously has his sights set higher than a little state school. Good for Brad and lol at all who clamored for him.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:21:58 PM
Playing his KSU Cats twice a year was just too heart-wrenching for him.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
I love Brad, but this isn't the greatest look. His team just lost yesterday, right?

Still, good for Illinois on moving quickly and getting this done.

https://twitter.com/IlliniAD/status/843194461194764289
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: renocat on March 18, 2017, 03:25:21 PM
I'm lol'n at the hilarity of this turn
Coacing incest.  Now watch OKie State hire Frank Martin.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: manpow5 on March 18, 2017, 03:26:22 PM
I'm lol'n at the hilarity of this turn
Coacing incest.  Now watch OKie State hire Frank Martin.

Don't do that to me
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
I love Brad, but this isn't the greatest look. His team just lost yesterday, right?

Still, good for Illinois on moving quickly and getting this done.

https://twitter.com/IlliniAD/status/843194461194764289

I think people will give him a break when we found out the brinks truck dropped off $1.8m a year or something absurd.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:31:42 PM
 :lol: @ Okie though.  First KD leaves them and now Brad.  They're going to need Gundy's mullet to soak up all the tears.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:31:55 PM
I'd guess an additional 1.8 on top of his paltry earnings at cows u
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
:lol:

i dunno what we're gonna call them, but we'll think of something.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:34:18 PM
jealous of chings/8mp/dlew rn
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/843194236250050561
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
I'd guess an additional 1.8 on top of his paltry earnings at cows u

the cows deserve everything they're getting for raping underwood on the contract last year.  you don't treat people like that.


ui has now fired oscar and hired brad, you have to admire them.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 03:37:10 PM
absolutely
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 18, 2017, 03:38:13 PM
This is strange even if the long term plan is K-State.  They've mentioned doubling his salary but I would've thought OSU would probably match that.  Will be interested to see if the KSU buyout is in there.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 03:40:56 PM
Per Andy Katz.

Quote
Just spoke with an Oklahoma State official and was told Brad Underwood flew back with the team after the Michigan game Friday, landing at 8 pm CT. There was no indication he was leaving. School official was stunned and learned about his hiring at Illinois via twitter.

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
I can't admire a guy who was obviously leaving way before this . I wonder how long ago this deal got done. Just like stoops Venables who mumped us in the big 12 champy.

You folks are so weird. Worse than the oscar lovers at times.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2017, 03:42:40 PM
i've just endured a gut wrenching spasm
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
Via Twitter? And you were all pissed about text to foster?

What a bunch of morons you all are. Brad is a piece of crap apparently.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 03:43:29 PM
ui is a better job and osu treated him like crap.  why in the world would you think he shouldn't go?  these are humans we're talking about here.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 18, 2017, 03:44:28 PM
Per Andy Katz.

Quote
Just spoke with an Oklahoma State official and was told Brad Underwood flew back with the team after the Michigan game Friday, landing at 8 pm CT. There was no indication he was leaving. School official was stunned and learned about his hiring at Illinois via twitter.


I was just about to post that.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 03:44:58 PM
Never could understand the love for T Boone's athletic department.  Good for Brad.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2017, 03:46:01 PM
Never could understand the love for T Boone's athletic department.  Good for Brad.

 :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 03:51:14 PM
I can't admire a guy who was obviously leaving way before this . I wonder how long ago this deal got done. Just like stoops Venables who mumped us in the big 12 champy.

You folks are so weird. Worse than the oscar lovers at times.
No way. You could make this argument if Brad went after the conference tourney or selection sunday. 
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 03:52:12 PM
ui is a better job and osu treated him like crap.  why in the world would you think he shouldn't go?  these are humans we're talking about here.
How did they treat him like crap?  Low balling is business, he needed a better agent.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2017, 03:53:06 PM
My first thought is Evans must be gone but it would probably be tough to get a better gig even with one more successful season with Evans. Good for Brad.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
ui is a better job and osu treated him like crap.  why in the world would you think he shouldn't go?  these are humans we're talking about here.
How did they treat him like crap?  Low balling is business, he needed a better agent.


Take a vastly better offer is also business, right?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 03:56:12 PM
ui is a better job and osu treated him like crap.  why in the world would you think he shouldn't go?  these are humans we're talking about here.
How did they treat him like crap?  Low balling is business, he needed a better agent.


Take a vastly better offer is also business, right?

Note my post above.  You have someone probably double your salary, you need to take it. 
He was at base $800k right? I'm sure Illinois is around $1.5m.  Wouldn't surprise me if they just doubled his salary too.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2017, 03:56:53 PM
sounds like his agent did fine
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 18, 2017, 03:58:03 PM
Holder is going to get punted out of Stillwater asap


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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2017, 03:59:58 PM
sounds like his agent did fine
He was making $400k at SFA a year ago which was a ridiculous amount for that conference. So he's making at least 4x more in one year? Yeah, he did alright.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
i don't know how you can treat an employee worse than paying him 1/3 of what his peers make and trying to make it difficult for him to leave for a better job.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: OK_Cat on March 18, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
So we are stuck with oscar, lose out on brad again, and now OSU will get Doug.

Jfc


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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 18, 2017, 04:01:41 PM
Seems like an obvious way around the $6 million intra conference buy out. See you in a couple years, Brad.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 18, 2017, 04:02:35 PM
I'm guessing Illinois stepped up. George was making $1.7 mil, I'm guessing Brad will get $2+.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 04:03:46 PM
So we are stuck with oscar, lose out on brad again, and now OSU will get Doug.

Jfc


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They aren't going to hire Gottlieb, lol. Like sys said we better hope they didn't get Forbes.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 18, 2017, 04:03:59 PM
Not just about the money.

Quote
Told the fractured relationship between Brad Underwood and Oklahoma State AD Mike Holder was a major factor in his decision to leave for Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2017, 04:04:12 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
i don't know how you can treat an employee worse than paying him 1/3 of what his peers make and trying to make it difficult for him to leave for a better job.
Alright agent for hot commodity coach, we'd like to hire him.  What do you think is a fair salary?

Why not $800k zoidberg.jpg?

HIRED!


Too much back and forth to make a lot of assumptions though. We both recognize that his salary is pretty darn low and it's not like college athletics is putting pressure on coaches and athletics departments to contract salaries.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 04:06:01 PM
Not just about the money.

Quote
Told the fractured relationship between Brad Underwood and Oklahoma State AD Mike Holder was a major factor in his decision to leave for Illinois.
Oh man well see if there is a difference between KSU and OSU really quick to see how the admin/boosters deal.


Maybe the Frank coaching tree is just really poisonous and full of mean faces?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 04:07:17 PM
So we could have had him this off season after all?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 18, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
6 years, over 3M per year according to ESPN
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 18, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
Schulz & Currie in charge, Frank had to go.  Schulz bails anyway, but Currie still here so can't get Brad back.  Then Currie bails, but Brad's already on to Illinois.

Amy Button Renz gotta go.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 18, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
6 years, over 3M per year according to ESPN

So now we are never getting brad unless it's oscar part II
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 18, 2017, 04:16:08 PM
:D
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
6 years, over 3M per year according to ESPN

:kstategrad:

Holy crap  :lol: :lol: :lol:

That makes things easier to swallow.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 18, 2017, 04:21:33 PM
shitty agent
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 18, 2017, 04:22:18 PM
I'd guess an additional 1.8 on top of his paltry earnings at cows u

lowballed it!
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
shitty agent
Dumb post
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: AppleJack on March 18, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
Trim - find the contract so we can look at any EMAW deets
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 18, 2017, 04:32:04 PM
Look at the bright side: if he fails at Illinois we can swoop in and grab their refuse again.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
Look at the bright side: if he fails at Illinois we can swoop in and grab their refuse again.


Fair point.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 04:34:27 PM
I wonder if oscar will give him a few words of wisdom about the murders row of a job he just landed.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 18, 2017, 04:45:15 PM
If brad can keep this incoming recruiting class he'll have a lot of talent to work with.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: mocat on March 18, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
I sure as crap hope this brings Bread back.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: mocat on March 18, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
Mods pls change all illini fans sig to "we took your brad"
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2017, 05:24:03 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1lo23h.jpg)
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 18, 2017, 05:49:54 PM
So we could have had him this off season after all?

Everyone knew we could have Brad if we were willing to spend a boatload of money. The real question was whether it would be worth it.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 05:51:19 PM
Amy Button Renz gotta go.

Watch your mouth, boy.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 18, 2017, 05:59:13 PM
Is he going to bring Pullen on board to help recruit the Chicago kids?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 05:59:22 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1lo23h.jpg)
:D
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: IPA4Me on March 18, 2017, 06:02:26 PM
Well that was an odd turn of events.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Everyone knew we could have Brad if we were willing to spend a boatload of money. The real question was whether it would be worth it.

you're gonna spend a boatload of money on any decent coach.  you might get one bargain year on a budget hire, but you're not gonna retain anyone for under market.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Pete on March 18, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
I sure as crap hope this brings Bread back.


No one misses him more than me. :sad:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 06:18:29 PM
I can't admire a guy who was obviously leaving way before this . I wonder how long ago this deal got done. Just like stoops Venables who mumped us in the big 12 champy.

You folks are so weird. Worse than the oscar lovers at times.
No way. You could make this argument if Brad went after the conference tourney or selection sunday.
When do you think all of this got done? Today? Good grief.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 18, 2017, 06:24:25 PM
I can't admire a guy who was obviously leaving way before this . I wonder how long ago this deal got done. Just like stoops Venables who mumped us in the big 12 champy.

You folks are so weird. Worse than the oscar lovers at times.
No way. You could make this argument if Brad went after the conference tourney or selection sunday.
When do you think all of this got done? Today? Good grief.
Leaving != getting the deal done. 

For all we know this deal was in the works weeks ago if/when there was a convo about re-working Brad's deal.  Too many variables that we probably wont ever know to make a decision.
As I recall Stoops left us in a much worse spot.  Maybe I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 18, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Feeling pretty good to be an Illini bball fan  :cool:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 18, 2017, 09:44:31 PM
So we could have had him this off season after all?

Everyone knew we could have Brad if we were willing to spend a boatload of money. The real question was whether it would be worth it.
We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just fired oscar last year like he should have.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 09:52:45 PM
Shoulda woulda coulda. Brad is a great con man for all we know. Keep moving around. Don't stay in one place too long or they will catch on. Eventually he will have to stay somewhere long enough to prove his mettle. If that happens, and he kicks major ass, you can all take a victory lap.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 09:54:49 PM
SdK your Brad crusade is weird, more so given you are not shy about telling us how big of a UK fan you are.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: schreds21 on March 18, 2017, 09:58:35 PM

We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just hired him instead of oscar  like he should have.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2017, 09:59:22 PM

We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just hired him instead of oscar  like he should have.
For a year, perhaps
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 18, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
If he had a good enough year we would have paid him more, which is fair.   Just need to warm up the t-shirt machine.

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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kim carnes on March 18, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
If he had a good enough year we would have paid him more, which is fair.   Just need to warm up the t-shirt machine.

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Not before Illini swooped in
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 10:04:25 PM

We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just hired him instead of oscar  like he should have.
For a year, perhaps

It seems clear that it wasn't just about the money at OSU. Yes, Currie and Underwood would have clashed but Currie still would have gotten the Tennessee job. I'd like to think that Brad wouldn't have dipped given the AD candidates.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 18, 2017, 10:05:35 PM
Shoulda woulda coulda. Brad is a great con man for all we know. Keep moving around. Don't stay in one place too long or they will catch on. Eventually he will have to stay somewhere long enough to prove his mettle. If that happens, and he kicks major ass, you can all take a victory lap.
What is your solution? Keep oscar until we can hire someone who is a sure thing?  Which means keep oscar forever.

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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2017, 10:09:39 PM

We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just hired him instead of oscar  like he should have.
For a year, perhaps

It seems clear that it wasn't just about the money at OSU. Yes, Currie and Underwood would have clashed but Currie still would have gotten the Tennessee job. I'd like to think that Brad wouldn't have dipped given the AD candidates.
He also like tripled his salary
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 18, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
If he had a good enough year we would have paid him more, which is fair.   Just need to warm up the t-shirt machine.

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Not before Illini swooped in
I mean, if ksu would have gotten away with paying him 800k last year and then Illinois offered him 3 million this year, I'm sure ksu would have given him a raise.  But what do I know, I'm only using common sense.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 18, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Although I think Okie state had a better roster and Brad honestly wouldn't have done significantly better at KSU than oscar
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 10:14:11 PM

We could have had Brad for a small amount of money if Currie would have just hired him instead of oscar  like he should have.
For a year, perhaps

It seems clear that it wasn't just about the money at OSU. Yes, Currie and Underwood would have clashed but Currie still would have gotten the Tennessee job. I'd like to think that Brad wouldn't have dipped given the AD candidates.
He also like tripled his salary

Sure, haven't we've been hearing for a week that we had the money for a $6 million buyout plus making his salary around $2 million?

The K-State angle of this aside, I think this completely kills the notion of OSU being the basketball school it was before they expanded Gallagher-Iba. Their absolutely trash fan base has to also be a contributing factor.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 10:16:31 PM
Although I think Okie state had a better roster and Brad honestly wouldn't have done significantly better at KSU than oscar

I don't think they had a better roster but they clearly had the best player. I think K-State had better roster balance and it looks like both teams will end up having one draft pick.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 18, 2017, 10:18:29 PM
Everyone knew we could have Brad if we were willing to spend a boatload of money. The real question was whether it would be worth it.

you're gonna spend a boatload of money on any decent coach.  you might get one bargain year on a budget hire, but you're not gonna retain anyone for under market.

Market plus $6 million in our case.  That is a part of the K-State calculus that does not apply to Illinois.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 18, 2017, 10:19:21 PM
the lesson people should take from this is that it's stupid to try to underpay coaches.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 18, 2017, 10:30:30 PM
SdK your Brad crusade is weird, more so given you are not shy about telling us how big of a UK fan you are.

This.

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
SdK your Brad crusade is weird, more so given you are not shy about telling us how big of a UK fan you are.
How do those two have anything to do with each other?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 10:51:45 PM
Shoulda woulda coulda. Brad is a great con man for all we know. Keep moving around. Don't stay in one place too long or they will catch on. Eventually he will have to stay somewhere long enough to prove his mettle. If that happens, and he kicks major ass, you can all take a victory lap.
What is your solution? Keep oscar until we can hire someone who is a sure thing?  Which means keep oscar forever.

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I'll let the post you quoted stand on it's own. It's how I feel and I have no more to add to it.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 18, 2017, 11:18:19 PM
Shoulda woulda coulda. Brad is a great con man for all we know. Keep moving around. Don't stay in one place too long or they will catch on. Eventually he will have to stay somewhere long enough to prove his mettle. If that happens, and he kicks major ass, you can all take a victory lap.
What is your solution? Keep oscar until we can hire someone who is a sure thing?  Which means keep oscar forever.

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I'll let the post you quoted stand on it's own. It's how I feel and I have no more to add to it.

Your post about Brad being a "con man" is where you lose all credibility. WAY too many people from K-State have known him since before he played at K-State and know he's the furthest thing from being a con man.

He earned his P5 shot with his work at SFA and obviously profited via Illinois due to Holder/OSU's mismanagement of the situation in Stillwater.



Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 18, 2017, 11:49:59 PM
SdK your Brad crusade is weird, more so given you are not shy about telling us how big of a UK fan you are.
How do those two have anything to do with each other?

You are calling Brad unscrupulous because he had the audacity to triple his salary. While I don't agree at all, the biggest criticism of UK is how unscrupulous Cal is. Being a big UK fan I'd think you'd be sensitive to calling a coach unscrupulous just because he's doing what's best for him.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 18, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
I was grumpy today watching the lady cats commit so many turnovers. I saw the Brad move and decided to take my anger out in this thread. Poor move on my part.

I'm happy for Brad. He made a smart move for himself and his career. I wish him the best.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 12:14:12 AM
 :lol:
https://twitter.com/cabening/status/843194975269638144
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 19, 2017, 12:19:50 AM
I was grumpy today watching the lady cats commit so many turnovers. I saw the Brad move and decided to take my anger out in this thread. Poor move on my part.

I'm happy for Brad. He made a smart move for himself and his career. I wish him the best.

I agree. Kudos to Illinois for stepping up.

This would have been an ideal opportunity for Laird Veatch to distinguish himself. He failed in that opportunity. That is what it is.

At this point, were I in the decision-making process, I'd fire the men's bball coach and give the new AD a clean slate. Why should they be saddled with running a known loser?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2017, 12:20:43 AM
the lesson people should take from this is that it's stupid to try to underpay coaches.

That lesson should've been learned back at pay frank
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on March 19, 2017, 12:22:56 AM
Underwood has to know that the timing looks slimy.  The only thing he gained by announcing the deal the day after his team's tourney loss (i.e., going scorched earth on the OSU AD) was the ability to broadcast a giant middle finger to someone he obviously hated.  Childish and slightly damaging to his own reputation, but hilarious and really aggressive.  If it wasn't already abundantly clear that Brad is the effing boss, it should be now. 
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 19, 2017, 12:26:38 AM
Also something that we might be able to take from this is that weiberg won't be replacing the osu ad like had been possibly speculated. They were friends.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 19, 2017, 12:44:30 AM
Amy Button Renz gotta go.

Watch your mouth, boy.

She's the common thread of suck.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 19, 2017, 01:43:54 AM
http://on.si.com/2n9Ik8q
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 19, 2017, 02:26:04 AM
Yep. Our ex-ex AD tried this strategy. We lost Self and got stuck with Weber.
the lesson people should take from this is that it's stupid to try to underpay coaches.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 07:22:51 AM
This is definitely one of my favorite basketball things from this season.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: chum1 on March 19, 2017, 07:33:41 AM
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Underwood and Holder had preliminary discussions a few weeks ago, but an OSU source said that Underwood discovered that both Illinois and Missouri were interested in talking, giving him more negotiating leverage.

Last Monday, the day after the Cowboys were assigned to Indianapolis for a first-round NCAA Tournament game against Michigan, Holder and Underwood met. The OSU source said Holder offered $2.2 million per year and would get Underwood to $3 million after five seasons. The Big 12 average is $2.9 million for a head coach. But Underwood said he wanted $2.9 million now and would prefer $3 million.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5542248
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 08:20:23 AM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 19, 2017, 08:26:23 AM
Underwood has to know that the timing looks slimy.  The only thing he gained by announcing the deal the day after his team's tourney loss (i.e., going scorched earth on the OSU AD) was the ability to broadcast a giant middle finger to someone he obviously hated.  Childish and slightly damaging to his own reputation, but hilarious and really aggressive.  If it wasn't already abundantly clear that Brad is the effing boss, it should be now.
Solid analysis
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 08:41:52 AM
The Big 12 average is $2.9 million? Damn
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 08:45:36 AM
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Underwood and Holder had preliminary discussions a few weeks ago, but an OSU source said that Underwood discovered that both Illinois and Missouri were interested in talking, giving him more negotiating leverage.

Last Monday, the day after the Cowboys were assigned to Indianapolis for a first-round NCAA Tournament game against Michigan, Holder and Underwood met. The OSU source said Holder offered $2.2 million per year and would get Underwood to $3 million after five seasons. The Big 12 average is $2.9 million for a head coach. But Underwood said he wanted $2.9 million now and would prefer $3 million.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5542248
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I'm going to be here until they put me in the ground or something else happens.

lol
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 09:15:32 AM
He did give himself and out. Something else definitely happened.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 09:42:32 AM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 09:55:46 AM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?
And really, his agent should be the one doing all the work on the deal. It isn't like Brad was hammering out incentive clause details instead of scouting Michigan.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: #LIFE on March 19, 2017, 10:56:24 AM
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Do you want to see the force in action? I want you all to consider the path of Brad Underwood who is now a multimillionaire.

If Underwood doesn't have Walkup at Stephen F Austin, he doesn't get the Oklahoma State gig. By all measure, he would still be floundering around down there.

If Forte and Evans did not get hurt, during Travis Ford's last year, Oklahoma State would not have had a bad record. This led to Underwood getting the Oklahoma State gig. Travis Ford's bad luck became a huge stroke of luck for Underwood.

Illinois, and pundits, look at Oklahoma State and say: "Man, what a job of coaching. Underwood completely turned that program around in one year." Nothing could be further from the truth. Oklahoma State was terrible, during Ford's last year, because their two best players were unable to play. They heal up and come back just in time for Underwood. UNDERWOOD GETS THE CREDIT FOR TURNING OKLAHOMA STATE AROUND WHEN IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH INJURIES THAN IT DID COACHING.

Someday, Underwood may go down in the books as a very good coach. Time will tell. The fact of the matter is, however, his career was jumpstarted by a great measure of good luck.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: wazucat on March 19, 2017, 11:07:08 AM
If I'm the AD and I've identified a coach who has "the force" it's a no brainer.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 11:26:21 AM
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Do you want to see the force in action? I want you all to consider the path of Brad Underwood who is now a multimillionaire.

If Underwood doesn't have Walkup at Stephen F Austin, he doesn't get the Oklahoma State gig. By all measure, he would still be floundering around down there.

If Forte and Evans did not get hurt, during Travis Ford's last year, Oklahoma State would not have had a bad record. This led to Underwood getting the Oklahoma State gig. Travis Ford's bad luck became a huge stroke of luck for Underwood.

Illinois, and pundits, look at Oklahoma State and say: "Man, what a job of coaching. Underwood completely turned that program around in one year." Nothing could be further from the truth. Oklahoma State was terrible, during Ford's last year, because their two best players were unable to play. They heal up and come back just in time for Underwood. UNDERWOOD GETS THE CREDIT FOR TURNING OKLAHOMA STATE AROUND WHEN IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH INJURIES THAN IT DID COACHING.

Someday, Underwood may go down in the books as a very good coach. Time will tell. The fact of the matter is, however, his career was jumpstarted by a great measure of good luck.

I can sort of understand the most non-critical K-State fan's blind support of oscar, but those that go out of their way like this to discredit Brad as some justification of oscar is pretty unbelievable.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ednksu on March 19, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
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Do you want to see the force in action? I want you all to consider the path of Brad Underwood who is now a multimillionaire.

If Underwood doesn't have Walkup at Stephen F Austin, he doesn't get the Oklahoma State gig. By all measure, he would still be floundering around down there.

If Forte and Evans did not get hurt, during Travis Ford's last year, Oklahoma State would not have had a bad record. This led to Underwood getting the Oklahoma State gig. Travis Ford's bad luck became a huge stroke of luck for Underwood.

Illinois, and pundits, look at Oklahoma State and say: "Man, what a job of coaching. Underwood completely turned that program around in one year." Nothing could be further from the truth. Oklahoma State was terrible, during Ford's last year, because their two best players were unable to play. They heal up and come back just in time for Underwood. UNDERWOOD GETS THE CREDIT FOR TURNING OKLAHOMA STATE AROUND WHEN IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH INJURIES THAN IT DID COACHING.

Someday, Underwood may go down in the books as a very good coach. Time will tell. The fact of the matter is, however, his career was jumpstarted by a great measure of good luck.

I can sort of understand the most non-critical K-State fan's blind support of oscar, but those that go out of their way like this to discredit Brad as some justification of oscar is pretty unbelievable.
It's amazing to me that someone thinks he was "floundering" when crushing his conference in back to back to back years.  Or that recruiting and developing players like Waklup into potential pros happened on its own.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2017, 11:50:07 AM
Its really all that anyone who is pro-oscar can do. When I put up the charts that show his career, his time at K-State, and his postseason lack of success no one can really say anything to refute how mediocre he is. After that you only get weird justifications and the common response of "who can K-State get right now?" The mentality is so losery and small time its sickening.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 19, 2017, 12:13:00 PM
People forget that before Kstate sucked at basketball we were really good for a long time.  It's sad we have lost the expectation of being good.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 12:13:56 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 19, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

Protip to catastrophe and everyone on earth: no one cares about your bracket. Stop talking about your bracket.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 19, 2017, 12:22:42 PM
Also there are plenty of non-controversial stances that are wrong
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 12:23:14 PM
Just venting about Brad.  At least my gripe is about something that actually affects me.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 19, 2017, 02:25:45 PM
Just think if oscar had an nba hero like Nathan Walkup on his roster. Kstate would be stuck looking to replace a coach who got hired away to basketball utopia illinois. I, for one, am counting my blessings.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 19, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

You have no clue how much he prepped. Why didn't you have this objection last year?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: catastrophe on March 19, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

You have no clue how much he prepped. Why didn't you have this objection last year?

Because I didn't have him going any further in my bracket last year.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 20, 2017, 09:38:02 AM
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Do you want to see the force in action? I want you all to consider the path of Brad Underwood who is now a multimillionaire.

If Underwood doesn't have Walkup at Stephen F Austin, he doesn't get the Oklahoma State gig. By all measure, he would still be floundering around down there.

If Forte and Evans did not get hurt, during Travis Ford's last year, Oklahoma State would not have had a bad record. This led to Underwood getting the Oklahoma State gig. Travis Ford's bad luck became a huge stroke of luck for Underwood.

Illinois, and pundits, look at Oklahoma State and say: "Man, what a job of coaching. Underwood completely turned that program around in one year." Nothing could be further from the truth. Oklahoma State was terrible, during Ford's last year, because their two best players were unable to play. They heal up and come back just in time for Underwood. UNDERWOOD GETS THE CREDIT FOR TURNING OKLAHOMA STATE AROUND WHEN IT HAD MORE TO DO WITH INJURIES THAN IT DID COACHING.

Someday, Underwood may go down in the books as a very good coach. Time will tell. The fact of the matter is, however, his career was jumpstarted by a great measure of good luck.

I can sort of understand the most non-critical K-State fan's blind support of oscar, but those that go out of their way like this to discredit Brad as some justification of oscar is pretty unbelievable.

that was a kstate fan? jfc..thought it was a scorned OSU fan.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 09:49:07 AM
I'm curious to see how Brad does at Illinois. Curious if Pullen is in touch at all. Im glad that my interests will be larger than KSU and UK next year.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 20, 2017, 11:49:07 AM
Underwood asked the OSU AD for 2 more treadmills.  He said no.

Local radio said that Underwood and his agent had a verbal agreement with OSU that if OSU was going to give him a new contract/raise, they'd have it done before leaving for the NCAA tourney.  When they got on the plane for Indy without a new deal done, Brad was gone.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 20, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
You have to admire a man of principle
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Powercat Posse on March 20, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Brad's buyout the next 3 yrs is 8.5M, 7.4M, and then 6.3M.  His chances of coming to Ksu in the near future just went down even more  :Ugh:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2017, 03:05:05 PM
I'm sure a guy who loves us like Brad does has a K-State clause in that contract.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on March 20, 2017, 03:13:18 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

You have no clue how much he prepped. Why didn't you have this objection last year?

Because I didn't have him going any further in my bracket last year.
Nothing you said here is wrong. Kinda mumped up he was scheming and working on his next role at the same time. If this was a likable coach doing the same at K-state, MIR would probably think differently. Whatever tho, good for him.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 03:14:30 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

You have no clue how much he prepped. Why didn't you have this objection last year?

Because I didn't have him going any further in my bracket last year.
Nothing you said here is wrong. Kinda mumped up he was scheming and working on his next role at the same time. If this was a likable coach doing the same at K-state, MIR would probably think differently. Whatever tho, good for him.

I assume every coach, likable or not, would have acted the same with any job that could triple their salary.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
I assume every coach, likable or not, would have acted the same with any job that could triple their salary.

Especially after a soured relationship with your AD.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 20, 2017, 03:23:20 PM
still pretty unreal he left oSu that quickly. good for him though!
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
https://twitter.com/wcia3annice/status/843920271623028736
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
I mean he's making more than Frank now. 
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 20, 2017, 03:33:03 PM
Dyk Illinois is home to the world's tallest cow @ 6'4"?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 03:40:33 PM
https://twitter.com/wcia3annice/status/843920271623028736

lol different but reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeUZFagfR80
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
If Brad would have come here last year, I could definitely see this playing out the same way with Currie.

http://newsok.com/article/5542289

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But sources say any chance of a compromise on Underwood's part were squelched Monday when during a meeting he felt insulted by Holder. The source said that Underwood was told by Holder that Ford won more games in his first year than did Underwood and went on to make five NCAA Tournaments. The source said that Underwood was so angry he got up to leave the office at that point, though Holder convinced him to stay.

“I think that was really hurtful,” the source said. “I believe that was the dagger.”

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If not, the dagger came a few minutes later. When discussing the value of OSU basketball on campus, the source said, Holder told Underwood he was asking for Final Four-type money and that the Cowboys currently are on a level of Iowa State, Texas Tech and Kansas State in the Big 12.

“He was going to Illinois the moment Holder said that to him,” the source said. “What he was looking for, Holder's vision for the program, ‘I believe you can get us up to KU and Bill Self and blah-blah,' and that just wasn't what he heard.”
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 04:48:44 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 05:45:14 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois

Different school, friend.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Joker on March 20, 2017, 05:46:39 PM
Basically he was just chumming the water at OSU.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 20, 2017, 05:55:55 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois

Different school, friend.

well yeah. but the fact that he got it means it wasn't an unreasonable fishing expedition.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 06:17:29 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois

Different school, friend.

well yeah. but the fact that he got it means it wasn't an unreasonable fishing expedition.

Relative to Okie State, it was.   That was the point, cRusty.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 06:43:39 PM
Through all this, the only thing I am really upset at Brad for is working out this deal during the tournament instead of game planning thus messing up my pick for OSU to win their first game.

Is he not allowed to eat either? You really think basketball coaches prep for games 16 hours a day, everyday?

I definitely think he would have prepared more if he was not looking at other jobs.  I don't think that is a very controversial stance for me to take.

That said, I'm not that mad at him.  My bracket is a mess anyway.

You have no clue how much he prepped. Why didn't you have this objection last year?

Because I didn't have him going any further in my bracket last year.
Nothing you said here is wrong. Kinda mumped up he was scheming and working on his next role at the same time. If this was a likable coach doing the same at K-state, MIR would probably think differently. Whatever tho, good for him.

I'm interested to know what stance you think I'm taking here. You clearly are inferring something other than what I typed. I want to know how your mind got there.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: MakeItRain on March 20, 2017, 06:46:33 PM
If Brad would have come here last year, I could definitely see this playing out the same way with Currie.

http://newsok.com/article/5542289

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But sources say any chance of a compromise on Underwood's part were squelched Monday when during a meeting he felt insulted by Holder. The source said that Underwood was told by Holder that Ford won more games in his first year than did Underwood and went on to make five NCAA Tournaments. The source said that Underwood was so angry he got up to leave the office at that point, though Holder convinced him to stay.

“I think that was really hurtful,” the source said. “I believe that was the dagger.”

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If not, the dagger came a few minutes later. When discussing the value of OSU basketball on campus, the source said, Holder told Underwood he was asking for Final Four-type money and that the Cowboys currently are on a level of Iowa State, Texas Tech and Kansas State in the Big 12.

“He was going to Illinois the moment Holder said that to him,” the source said. “What he was looking for, Holder's vision for the program, ‘I believe you can get us up to KU and Bill Self and blah-blah,' and that just wasn't what he heard.”

Texas Tech? eff Mike Holder.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kitten_mittons on March 20, 2017, 10:35:43 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois

Different school, friend.

well yeah. but the fact that he got it means it wasn't an unreasonable fishing expedition.

Relative to Okie State, it was.   That was the point, cRusty.
The problem with the analogy is that OSU wasn't the pier, it was the bait.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
I think Undie was fishing off the wrong pier if he wanted OSU to triple his salary after 1 year.   



except he tripled his salary at Illinois

Different school, friend.

well yeah. but the fact that he got it means it wasn't an unreasonable fishing expedition.

Relative to Okie State, it was.   That was the point, cRusty.
The problem with the analogy is that OSU wasn't the pier, it was the bait.

Bait doesn't get to choose.

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2017, 11:14:20 PM
I'm honestly interested to see how he does there. I hope he doesn't get Groced.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: sys on March 20, 2017, 11:15:42 PM
like kruger, altman, huggins and martin before him, he will do great.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: SdK on March 20, 2017, 11:17:46 PM
What if he doesn't? Oh well, still a millionaire.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 22, 2017, 08:34:39 AM
I asked Brad if he was aware of your #BringBackBrad campaign.  He said yes. Just not in this video. (Keep scrolling.)

[youtube]http://youtu.be/5LidxEHAjyE[/youtube]
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Woogy on March 22, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
I asked Brad if he was aware of your #BringBackBrad campaign.  He said yes.


"You can sell tradition..."

* Except Kazzou.  There are those that would rather crush it like a dove. Salllllllute!

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 22, 2017, 09:41:04 AM
I think we can still land him, guys. He's EMAW to the core.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 22, 2017, 09:48:10 AM
I asked Brad if he was aware of your #BringBackBrad campaign.  He said yes.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/5LidxEHAjyE[/youtube]

When?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 22, 2017, 09:55:53 AM
Monday, a little after 1 p.m.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 22, 2017, 10:03:32 AM
Oh, sorry.
When?
It's in this one, at 2:26
[youtube]http://youtu.be/61R7v9mBMGw[/youtube]

Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Tobias on March 22, 2017, 10:19:21 AM
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: wetwillie on March 22, 2017, 10:21:47 AM
I was tricked into watching that original 7 minute clip too.  Good job Rob.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 10:24:11 AM
is assembly hall as gross as it appears on tv and in pictures?  i mean, it's just disgusting appearing but who knows, maybe not?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CHONGS on March 22, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
is assembly hall as gross as it appears on tv and in pictures?  i mean, it's just disgusting appearing but who knows, maybe not?
You mean State Farm Center.

Its been under renovation for a while now.  At least the outside is completely painted now.  Before it was covered in flaking off paint.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 22, 2017, 10:37:01 AM
I'm happy for Brad and for Illinois.  After watching the 7m and 3m videos my Currie hate went up (I already thought it was at max). 
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 22, 2017, 10:42:49 AM
I was tricked into watching that original 7 minute clip too.  Good job Rob.

Not me.  I saw it was 9 minutes and shut it down immediately.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Trim on March 22, 2017, 10:44:18 AM
my Currie hate went up (I already thought it was at max). 

Brad really should've orally @'d currie in the KSU-specific answer.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: rob mccolley on March 22, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
I had a good time hanging out with Marcus Fuller this year. He's the Mpls beat writer who covers the Gophers.  He cracked a lot of jokes about the $170 million we spent on the renovation. The basic theme was "where?"
is assembly hall as gross as it appears on tv and in pictures?  i mean, it's just disgusting appearing but who knows, maybe not?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
brad seems pretty great
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: pissclams on March 22, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
he does.  i've never really heard him talk that much.
but to determine how great he is, i'd need to know how much of this payday that he's giving to blake young.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 22, 2017, 05:07:32 PM
brad seems pretty great

I'm still, to this day, baffled by the fact that Currie hired Oscar over simply maintaining continuity in the program with Brad when he ran Frank off...

 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 22, 2017, 05:24:11 PM
brad seems pretty great

I'm still, to this day, baffled by the fact that Currie hired Oscar over simply maintaining continuity in the program with Brad when he ran Frank off...

 :shakesfist:

I'm pretty sure Currie just wanted to be done with that era of K-State basketball. Period.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ksupamplemousse on March 22, 2017, 05:38:58 PM
Do you think Currie thought that oscar could possibly be as effective as Brad?
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: michigancat on March 22, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Do you think Currie thought that oscar could possibly be as effective as Brad?
Absolutely. Brad had always been an assistant.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Skipper44 on March 22, 2017, 08:57:25 PM
Do you think Currie thought that oscar could possibly be as effective as Brad?
schememaster Currie knew oscar would win right away and be gone before the music stopped
spreadsheet Currie saw oscar had a better winning % and a deeper tournament run than Frank and knew he could win the press conference
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on March 23, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
brad seems pretty great

I'm still, to this day, baffled by the fact that Currie hired Oscar over simply maintaining continuity in the program with Brad when he ran Frank off...

 :shakesfist:

I'm pretty sure Currie just wanted to be done with that era of K-State basketball. Period.

I tend to agree with this.  Plus, I'm not that sure that Currie was concerned with us actually "winning" as long as we remained in the meaty part of the bell curve.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Ptolemy on March 23, 2017, 12:14:07 AM

I tend to agree with this.  Plus, I'm not that sure that Currie was concerned with us actually "winning" as long as we remained in the meaty part of the bell curve.

You guys apparently haven't watched Currie much. All he cares about is compliance. He wants to be the BEST compliance AD in history. He does not give a rip if the teams win.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: CatMission on March 23, 2017, 04:29:54 AM

I tend to agree with this.  Plus, I'm not that sure that Currie was concerned with us actually "winning" as long as we remained in the meaty part of the bell curve.

You guys apparently haven't watched Currie much. All he cares about is compliance. He wants to be the BEST compliance AD in history. He does not give a rip if the teams win.

I can confirm.

#1 priority - don't even have a whiff of impropriety around a program.


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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 23, 2017, 09:08:35 AM

I tend to agree with this.  Plus, I'm not that sure that Currie was concerned with us actually "winning" as long as we remained in the meaty part of the bell curve.

You guys apparently haven't watched Currie much. All he cares about is compliance. He wants to be the BEST compliance AD in history. He does not give a rip if the teams win.

Yeah, that's why I said he was done with that era of K-State basketball, including all people associated with it. Brad was never going to be considered because his connections with Frank while Currie was here. I don't think its accurate to say he doesn't want to win, but its going to be "the right way".
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on March 23, 2017, 09:28:32 AM
brad also wasn't going to be hired because he was already a coach here and because he was a former player here. currie doesn't believe in promoting current assistants to head coaches or hiring former players as head coaches. brad was never, ever, ever, ever going to become head coach while currie was here.

also yeah, anybody with 1/3 of a brain immediately knew that winning wasn't a huge priority the second that frank was pushed out and oscar was hired. that was 100% obvious to every single moderately functioning adult human.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 23, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
brad seems pretty great

I'm still, to this day, baffled by the fact that Currie hired Oscar over simply maintaining continuity in the program with Brad when he ran Frank off...

 :shakesfist:

I'm pretty sure Currie just wanted to be done with that era of K-State basketball. Period.

I heard a story that Currie was planning to keep Brad on as Associate Head Coach but when oscar was hired, he insisted on Lowery.  No idea how true it is but a oscar/Brad dynamic would have been interesting.  I think having some of the previous regime's intensity carry over could've made a big difference in the long run.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: kso_FAN on March 23, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
I heard a story that Currie was planning to keep Brad on as Associate Head Coach but when oscar was hired, he insisted on Lowery.  No idea how true it is but a oscar/Brad dynamic would have been interesting.  I think having some of the previous regime's intensity carry over could've made a big difference in the long run.

Perhaps, but he had to know that nearly from the start. I'm sure one of the first things oscar asked for was bringing Lowery with him as AHC.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 23, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
I heard a story that Currie was planning to keep Brad on as Associate Head Coach but when oscar was hired, he insisted on Lowery.  No idea how true it is but a oscar/Brad dynamic would have been interesting.  I think having some of the previous regime's intensity carry over could've made a big difference in the long run.

Perhaps, but he had to know that nearly from the start. I'm sure one of the first things oscar asked for was bringing Lowery with him as AHC.

Yea, I think Currie made an effort to keep him around before they had oscar hired.  Brad would know that the next coach would have the ultimate say.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
Post by: PandaXpanda on March 23, 2017, 12:43:53 PM
I heard a story that Currie was planning to keep Brad on as Associate Head Coach but when oscar was hired, he insisted on Lowery.  No idea how true it is but a oscar/Brad dynamic would have been interesting.  I think having some of the previous regime's intensity carry over could've made a big difference in the long run.

Perhaps, but he had to know that nearly from the start. I'm sure one of the first things oscar asked for was bringing Lowery with him as AHC.

Yea, I think Currie made an effort to keep him around before they had oscar hired.  Brad would know that the next coach would have the ultimate say.

JC offered Brad to stay as AHC. Brad called Self, they were decent friends off the court, Bill basically LOL'd and recommended Brad leave immediately. Not saying this was the sole reason he left, or that the other examples didn't happen as well, but it contributed.
Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
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Title: Re: Illinois cans Groce.
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