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Title: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
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DJamer saves Wes. Cats get a road win. Nothing quality, but keeps the postseason hopes alive.

I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Prince McJunkins on February 18, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
Great thread title.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Canary on February 18, 2017, 03:14:18 PM
I can't ever cheer for a KSU loss, but I want oscar gone no matter what.  Even if we did great things in the postseason, I'd want him out. 
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 03:16:26 PM
I can't ever cheer for a KSU loss, but I want oscar gone no matter what.  Even if we did great things in the postseason, I'd want him out.
This. I want KSU to win all the time, but losses give me hope for a brighter future and don't crush me like they used to.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 03:19:19 PM
Shaka's dumb.  The whole world knew oscar would be in the backcourt.  College basketball just had an end-of-game inbounds trick-ish play involving people running into people.  How did texas not have at least 2 guys streaking up the sideline along KSU's bench?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 18, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
We need Tech to lose, right?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 03:24:36 PM
The 12 Possessions without a FG and only 2 pts scored  almost doomed us. Fortunately, UT only outgained us 7-2 over that long 8 minute stretch.

Thought Brown and Wes played well...Until it's crunch time under 2:00 and Wes is a disaster.

DJamer and Wade 3 combined Reb. Really. Maurice got 2 and barely played. Our 2 starting guards got 4. We can't have Wes be the only guy who goes after Rebounds (he had 7 DRs today)
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: CHONGS on February 18, 2017, 03:24:38 PM
We need Tech to lose, right?
No, his job is secure after this win. 
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
We need Tech to lose, right?

Doesn't matter to us at all
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 03:26:16 PM
We need Tech to lose, right?
No, his job is secure after this win.
Take a grain of salt while reading this post.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 18, 2017, 03:26:53 PM
I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: pvegs on February 18, 2017, 03:27:23 PM
we all got what we wanted out of this one: kp 30 nt still in play for sys, fan_'s faint hopes continue to flicker, DJamer gave us all a great going away present, and trim got in his nap.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:28:02 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:29:26 PM
I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise

Still doesn't matter much as it relates to Wednesday play
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.

i knew it wasn't for real this time.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:30:49 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.

i knew it wasn't for real this time.

I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 18, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise

Still doesn't matter much as it relates to Wednesday play
Ok. Still want to avoid Wednesday, but it's probably happening, right?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:32:44 PM
I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.

that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
Ideally, we would finish 9-9, OkSt and Tcu finish 8-10. This would mean we would be in the 4vs5 game vs Isu. I know we lost 2x to them...But I'd rather play them over playing Huggy
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
Thank you.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:34:19 PM
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Canary on February 18, 2017, 03:34:37 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I want a good tourney appearance and a termination. Can I get that?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 03:34:46 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Ok sys trim tobias chingon
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.

i knew it wasn't for real this time.

I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.

No you're fine and definitely in the majority. You can want the coach fired and still cheer for your team. I watched NCSU boo the hell out of Gottfried but then cheer for their team. Those other people are the freaks _FWN, not you.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 03:35:09 PM
I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.

that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.

Does FWN stand for F*** Weber Nation
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 18, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.
Thank god they expanded to 68 or not, however you want to look at it.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:37:40 PM
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.

If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: renocat on February 18, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
Swampthing.  We are going to the TOURNAMENT.  So find some oscar love, some how.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:38:18 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I agree. (and he should be)

I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.

that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.

Also agree with this.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:39:27 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:39:46 PM
No you're fine and definitely in the majority. You can want the coach fired and still cheer for your team. I watched NCSU boo the hell out of Gottfried but then cheer for their team. Those other people are the freaks _FWN, not you.

Thanks MIR. I know I can be a ridiculous roller coaster of a fan though.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:42:19 PM
If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.

maybe he's accounting for the projections that kstate will likely win a couple more.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:43:53 PM
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I agree. (and he should be)

_fwn, did you read mir's statement correctly?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 03:44:07 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:44:54 PM
If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.

maybe he's accounting for the projections that kstate will likely win a couple more.

That's not what he posted. Is this pit logic?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I agree. (and he should be)

_fwn, did you read mir's statement correctly?

Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.

Also, thank you to DJamer for bailing out oscar after the TO.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: CHONGS on February 18, 2017, 03:46:18 PM
This win guarantees a better record than last season and a clear sign of improvement over last year.  The streak of getting worse each season is over.  The streak of not winning road games is over.  All along I have maintained that is all oscar had to do to keep his job this season (I admit my belief might be wrong, but I firmly believe it).  An NCAA tournament appearance just makes it all the more secure for the next three years.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: The Big Train on February 18, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
God you are insufferable about basketball chings
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 03:48:48 PM
1) We hit the 50-40-80 threshold.  Anytime we made 50% 2pt 40% 3pt and 80% FT, we had better win. It was 54-53-83 today.  Making our FTs today was HUGE.

2) both teams crazy hot, then crazy not.
Cats shot 93.4% first 23 min. 27.5% rest of game
Texas 76.2% first 18 min. 37.5% rest of game.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:49:35 PM
God you are insufferable about basketball chings

He is resolute in his posting on K-State basketball, I'll give him that.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:50:56 PM
1.  hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2.  kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3.  you decline to fire a coach in 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9?  you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.

not in order.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: pvegs on February 18, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
i'm v. happy for DJamer and for a brief period this afternoon i'm gonna fire up the grill and bask in the glow of a totally unimpressive win by a coach i hate. that's p. much where i'm at with cats bball.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: The Big Train on February 18, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
God you are insufferable about basketball chings

He is resolute in his posting on K-State basketball, I'll give him that.

BITB
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.

Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.

All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:55:36 PM
1.  hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2.  kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3.  you decline to fire a coach in year 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9?  you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.

not in order.

I can't disagree with any of this.

Especially considering the hire-able options right now.

If Currie has a great belief that he can hire someone that will more than likely be better, go for it, but that becomes much tougher when you are talking about a guy going to his third tournament in 5 years. (inherited roster or not)
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: renocat on February 18, 2017, 03:56:03 PM
Many, like myself, love KState basketball too weirdly.  When we don't win we have childish tantrums. Scream if we don't get our ice cream.  We lash out Weber just because... it is good to get a cone.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.

well, i think you'd know.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.

All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.

IIRC, Currie absolutely made some comments that point toward an AD approved roster rebuild. That is completely true IMO and part of the reason that I think any tournament appearance leaves oscar completely safe.

I will add the qualifier that the home crowd at the final two games will be interesting and could have some say, the crowd last Wednesday was much worse than I expected. I will be in attendance again this Wednesday (free tix), so I will have a first hand report.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 18, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.


Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table? 
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
This win guarantees a better record than last season and a clear sign of improvement over last year. The streak of getting worse each season is over.  The streak of not winning road games is over.  All along I have maintained that is all oscar had to do to keep his job this season (I admit my belief might be wrong, but I firmly believe it).  An NCAA tournament appearance just makes it all the more secure for the next three years.

It isn't that at all and you know it.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 04:00:17 PM
Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.


Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table? 

Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:01:15 PM


I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.

Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.

All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.

sys articulated it better than I did. The team was 5-13 last year. When he didn't get fired then (with a realistic popular hire waiting in the wings) an NCAA tournament appearance this year virtually guarantees his return.

Like, what are you thinking the minimum results to keep his job should be? A top 3 B12 finish and/or a Sweet 16?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:03:03 PM
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
1.  hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2.  kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3.  you decline to fire a coach in 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9?  you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.

not in order.

1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 18, 2017, 04:04:36 PM
Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.


Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table? 

Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.

I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
I don't think DJamer and Wes are clearly the two best players
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:06:05 PM
God you are insufferable about basketball chings
It's the easy way to post. A cop out. Just keep being negative and once proven wrong, you just get to say oops my bad. Then party with the no idiots. There's no consequence. Whereas those that hold out hope for KSU cats and coaching changes can get crucified at every term. Weak people post weakly.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:06:27 PM


I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?

From the rough ridin' newspaper

http://cjonline.com/sports-catzone/2015-03-25/k-state-ad-john-currie-supports-decisions-made-oscar-weber
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 04:07:04 PM
Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.


Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table? 

Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.

I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.

Lock him up now.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
Non* and turn*
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:08:33 PM


I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?

From the rough ridin' newspaper

http://cjonline.com/sports-catzone/2015-03-25/k-state-ad-john-currie-supports-decisions-made-oscar-weber
Did not read. I'm guessing it is an AD showing public support for his hire? Weird.
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Post by: ksu101 on February 18, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561

Who's the hero?
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Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:09:40 PM
So you have no rough ridin' idea. You're just another Trim Tobias Chingon Sys. Got it.
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Post by: The Big Train on February 18, 2017, 04:10:45 PM
https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561

Who's the hero?

The video of this is on twitter too, very cringeworthy
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 04:10:54 PM
1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.

1.  who?
2.  i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard.  most teams lose more than that most years.
3.  i violently disagree.
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Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:11:05 PM
Link it
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
The guy looks silly. IMO.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 04:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561

Who's the hero?

Our guy.

https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040
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Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 04:12:40 PM
I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.

i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.
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Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:13:13 PM
_FAN, I'm a weirdo and don't like that W.A.S.P. is in your screen name
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Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561

Who's the hero?

Our guy.

https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040
And still gave a high five. Coward.
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Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 04:14:42 PM
So he is your guy, Trim. Not our guy.
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Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 04:15:30 PM
you can't boo and high 5 at the same time.  great job by weber of exploiting the social contract again.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:15:54 PM


I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.

Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.

Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.

Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.

I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.

Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.

Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.

All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.

sys articulated it better than I did. The team was 5-13 last year. When he didn't get fired then (with a realistic popular hire waiting in the wings) an NCAA tournament appearance this year virtually guarantees his return.

Like, what are you thinking the minimum results to keep his job should be? A top 3 B12 finish and/or a Sweet 16?

I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

I think at the end of the season, all of the factors will be evaluated and a decision will be made. Like I said before, I don't think just a tournament appearance will absolutely make him safe.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 18, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
I still think it is likely this team loses to OU, OSU, and TCU. Do they still make the tournament if they lose all 3?
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Post by: renocat on February 18, 2017, 04:17:25 PM
Another year, maybe, but no contact extension.  Year to year.  Don't produce you are gone.  It will cost us 2.4 million to buy out his contract if we let oscar go.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 04:18:28 PM
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

we do know he kept him after 5-13.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
https://twitter.com/JamarSamuels/status/833071087961382913
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.

All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.

IIRC, Currie absolutely made some comments that point toward an AD approved roster rebuild. That is completely true IMO and part of the reason that I think any tournament appearance leaves oscar completely safe.

So we're just talking about MF2, at the time we thought oscar and Currie should have worked with him more. Since that happened Marcus has hinted/said? that he should have been dismissed. I think we should use the retrospect offered to us and they should get more credit how this was handled than what we thought two years ago. I didn't want to get bogged down by arguing this because it isn't important to the overall conversation.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 18, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.

i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.

If the world wasn't so complex with human emotions, we could state that Currie let a coach walk before. We could also say Currie didn't call Frank's non-bluff. Maybe we will be able to say Currie doesn't call Weber's real-bluff.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:24:36 PM
1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.

1.  who?
2.  i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard.  most teams lose more than that most years.
3.  i violently disagree.

1. Ford
2. Fine agree then, tell me who we have around who will fill the roles of Wes and DJamer, not to mention the points and defensive presence.
3. We'll agree to disagree but that doesn't mean either Currie, AD brand x, or myself thinks Weber is entitled to what you seem to think is nearly blanket immunity.
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Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:26:44 PM
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:27:41 PM
I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.

i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.

LOL, yes we can agree on this. M-N is out of his goddamned mind.
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Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:28:20 PM
Ford was 3-15 last season
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:29:37 PM
I still think it is likely this team loses to OU, OSU, and TCU. Do they still make the tournament if they lose all 3?

Probably
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Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 04:31:33 PM
osu didn't go to the tournament last year.

i haven't paid any attention to who we already have signed to come in next year.  so maybe we already have people recruited or on the bench, no idea.  i think we could use a juco pg and a decent big.  we don't need to replace iwu with another point forward, just use a more normal lineup.  if they don't get another usable big, i don't hate the idea of playing small/skilled with wade at the 5 a fair bit.  nothing wrong with outscoring people.  wade at the 4 and the no defense, good offense big we have whose name i can't recall could also outscore people.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:37:00 PM
Ford was 3-15 last season

Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.

Tubby Smith.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 18, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
That is a lot that goes into it and I haven't done a deep dive. But I believe our preseason kenyon ranking with have a slight up tick. With projected natural development plus it is going to make the assumption that Dean and Sneed usage and minutes rates will go up. Both of them are pretty darn efficient. There is also just a ton of room for improvement based depth.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on February 18, 2017, 04:38:40 PM
Ford was 3-15 last season

Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.

Tubby Smith.

Tubby took the Memphis job. He was trying to leave the job ever since he got there.
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Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
Ford was 3-15 last season

Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.

Tubby Smith.
Tubby wasn't fired, they tried to give him a raise.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-hires-tubby-smith-away-from-texas-tech/
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:44:14 PM
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?

What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:45:17 PM
Ford was 3-15 last season

Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.

Tubby Smith.
Tubby wasn't fired, they tried to give him a raise.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-hires-tubby-smith-away-from-texas-tech/

Minnesota
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:48:01 PM
osu didn't go to the tournament last year.

i haven't paid any attention to who we already have signed to come in next year.  so maybe we already have people recruited or on the bench, no idea.  i think we could use a juco pg and a decent big.  we don't need to replace iwu with another point forward, just use a more normal lineup.  if they don't get another usable big, i don't hate the idea of playing small/skilled with wade at the 5 a fair bit.  nothing wrong with outscoring people.  wade at the 4 and the no defense, good offense big we have whose name i can't recall could also outscore people.

You just described another rebuild, not a complete one but an identity change, again.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?

What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 04:53:59 PM
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?

What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.

It would have been acceptable if you were okay with letting the entire back court go at the end of the previous season.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 04:54:53 PM
1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.

1.  who?
2.  i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard.  most teams lose more than that most years.
3.  i violently disagree.

1. Ford
2. Fine agree then, tell me who we have around who will fill the roles of Wes and DJamer, not to mention the points and defensive presence.
3. We'll agree to disagree but that doesn't mean either Currie, AD brand x, or myself thinks Weber is entitled to what you seem to think is nearly blanket immunity.

2. I think we will be just fine without Wes. Sneed will be better next year. We will have Diarra. Plus 2 starting guards a year older, should be better. Also, Patrick will improve and get more minutes.  His shooting is nice to have to go along with Kam Sneed Barry and Dean

Now losing DJamer hurts. We don't have an inside scorer to replace him
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Post by: michigancat on February 18, 2017, 04:58:06 PM
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.

I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.

I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.

We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?

What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.

It would have been acceptable if you were okay with letting the entire back court go at the end of the previous season.
Hmmmm
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: pvegs on February 18, 2017, 05:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561

Who's the hero?

Our guy.

https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040

his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 18, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 05:50:29 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.

Any commentary on the rationale or no?
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Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2017, 06:05:34 PM
this whole thing is just sad  :frown:
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Post by: renocat on February 18, 2017, 06:08:56 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Its just like when a dog hacks and harfs up living vomit, and then sits there and eats it.  We have been warpathing for the demise of oscar every spring for the last 4 years.  He loses and we hate him.  Then his team does better, and we think he doesn't look so bad.  We are barf eatin dogs.
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 18, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
I got excited when I saw there was a five pager after the game.  Only to find out it's five pages of suck.
 :buh-bye:
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 18, 2017, 06:25:14 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.

Any commentary on the rationale or no?

my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
In my mind, the only possible sway for Currie could be 2 more crowds worse than last Wednesday night. If the fans speak by not showing up to these last two games then maybe a move is made with just a first four selection. But realistically, I can't see Currie making any move with an NCAA appearance. If oscar manages to win the last 2 home games, there is no measurable criteria that hasn't improved over last year at least a little bit.
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Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 07:12:24 PM
the cows game is like a four-d fulcrum.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 07:21:41 PM
the cows game is like a four-d fulcrum.


(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fadammclane.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2Ffulcrum-1.jpg&hash=f444e1df04b37ee5c976d1d9655a6dcf843eb704)
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Post by: Skipper44 on February 18, 2017, 07:26:49 PM
MIR can't be serious with this?  Did he not have dozens of posts re: the Leti release where our AD went to the goddamn wall to make sure his hire didn't lose his best player?  Motherfucking Jay Bilas called us out on that before we finally did the right thing
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Post by: Powercat Posse on February 18, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.

If we can win 3-4 more games before Selection Sunday and make the tourney, I can't see firing him.
This league has a 1,2,3 seed in it, and 4 teams that should make it.  If we go 9-9, it's not what I ultimately wanted, but I do know that if this team was just barely better, we win the Tech & Tcu games (that's still saying we lose both Ku and Isu games).

Thing that stings right now is the 4 losses at home. We are 3-4 on road and and eyelash from being 4-3.
Hey, Baylor WV and Isu all have 3 road losses.  The way we have played on the road.....for the most part...is encouraging as of this moment
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 18, 2017, 08:30:47 PM
oscar high-fived the magnet guy.  That's so amazing.

 Now who's wearing the clown suit Testy-Westy? 

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Post by: sys on February 18, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
oscar high-fived the magnet guy.  That's so amazing.

probably his finest moment at kstate.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 18, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
testy westy is the greatest, I don't know him at all, but he sent me a magnet once and he boos oscar every time he sees him. I think that guy's a hero.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: SdK on February 18, 2017, 08:52:40 PM
testy westy is the greatest, I don't know him at all, but he sent me a magnet once and he boos oscar every time he sees him. I think that guy's a hero.
Ok trim
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 18, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
I hate the rain, Trim and I have little in common.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 09:51:02 PM
I hate the rain, Trim and I have little in common.

Nope, did you see how I walked Payton to a whole other neighborhood via numerous public transit options and underground tunnels to spite the rain right in its face?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.

Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 10:21:39 PM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.

Any commentary on the rationale or no?

my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?

I'm not going to give a percentage because there is such a wide variance of circumstance on how the season will play out, even at this point. I will say that right now I think the most likely circumstance is that we make the tournament and oscar oscar is retained, but that's far from a given.


I do appreciate actually discussing reasons why he should go or stay, by nearly everyone itt, instead of the normal he's staying because CurDog hur hur hur, for the 10,000th time.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
MIR can't be serious with this?  Did he not have dozens of posts re: the Leti release where our AD went to the goddamn wall to make sure his hire didn't lose his best player?  Motherfucking Jay Bilas called us out on that before we finally did the right thing

What in the entire world does Leticia Romero have to do with this?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 18, 2017, 10:29:00 PM
his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.

Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.

Does this story entail more than pissclams banning him because of big brother, lol?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Trim on February 18, 2017, 11:27:10 PM
his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.

Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.

Does this story entail more than pissclams banning him because of big brother, lol?

That notwithstanding that big brother silliness, tw's been a gE hero for almost half a decade.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on February 19, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Context is important, but this is still a funny quote. Also why I don't agree with timeouts in that situation, whatever oscar drew up clearly didn't work, Stokes was forced to shoot a floater, and DJamer made a play.

Also, down the stretch Stokes and Brown both made big shots. Players making plays after the under 4 is what wins close games.

Quote
Johnson downplayed his performance and his game-winning play. It happened so fast he wasn’t sure how it transpired.

“My memory is really bad. I don’t exactly remember what coach drew up,” Johnson said. “But we got the job done.”

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article133604194.html#storylink=cpy
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2017, 10:38:17 AM
We got lucky UT is trash, Scott Drew definitely had the more egregious, WTF time out, great double team call by Burrito Bill.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 19, 2017, 10:53:07 AM
Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.

Any commentary on the rationale or no?

my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?

I'm not going to give a percentage because there is such a wide variance of circumstance on how the season will play out, even at this point.

Oh good grief
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2017, 11:00:19 AM
Taking the tact of "I don't know what the hell this team is going to do let's let the season play out" leads to that reaction? Okay buddy :lol:
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 19, 2017, 01:24:45 PM
asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.

I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2017, 05:13:12 PM
asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.

I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.

You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on February 19, 2017, 05:40:37 PM
asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.

I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.

You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?

I think that I simply took all of the available information available to me and used it to make a prediction. This post took less than 30 seconds.
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on February 19, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.

I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.

You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?

I think that I simply took all of the available information available to me and used it to make a prediction. This post took less than 30 seconds.

Yet you couldn't take 5-30 seconds to answer my question, I won't point out the obvious hypocrisy though.

To answer your question, I'd say 3-33%, happy?
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: Cartierfor3 on February 19, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
If KSU makes the tourney and oscar gets fired, I will eat my hat
Title: Re: If you are Smart, you knew we would win: UT ADV
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
If KSU makes the tourney and oscar gets fired, I will eat my hat

 :crossfingers: