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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kso_FAN on February 18, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
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DJamer saves Wes. Cats get a road win. Nothing quality, but keeps the postseason hopes alive.
I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
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Great thread title.
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I can't ever cheer for a KSU loss, but I want oscar gone no matter what. Even if we did great things in the postseason, I'd want him out.
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I can't ever cheer for a KSU loss, but I want oscar gone no matter what. Even if we did great things in the postseason, I'd want him out.
This. I want KSU to win all the time, but losses give me hope for a brighter future and don't crush me like they used to.
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Shaka's dumb. The whole world knew oscar would be in the backcourt. College basketball just had an end-of-game inbounds trick-ish play involving people running into people. How did texas not have at least 2 guys streaking up the sideline along KSU's bench?
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
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We need Tech to lose, right?
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The 12 Possessions without a FG and only 2 pts scored almost doomed us. Fortunately, UT only outgained us 7-2 over that long 8 minute stretch.
Thought Brown and Wes played well...Until it's crunch time under 2:00 and Wes is a disaster.
DJamer and Wade 3 combined Reb. Really. Maurice got 2 and barely played. Our 2 starting guards got 4. We can't have Wes be the only guy who goes after Rebounds (he had 7 DRs today)
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We need Tech to lose, right?
No, his job is secure after this win.
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We need Tech to lose, right?
Doesn't matter to us at all
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We need Tech to lose, right?
No, his job is secure after this win.
Take a grain of salt while reading this post.
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I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise
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we all got what we wanted out of this one: kp 30 nt still in play for sys, fan_'s faint hopes continue to flicker, DJamer gave us all a great going away present, and trim got in his nap.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
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I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise
Still doesn't matter much as it relates to Wednesday play
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.
i knew it wasn't for real this time.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.
i knew it wasn't for real this time.
I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
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I was thinking Big 12 tourney wise
Still doesn't matter much as it relates to Wednesday play
Ok. Still want to avoid Wednesday, but it's probably happening, right?
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
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I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.
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Ideally, we would finish 9-9, OkSt and Tcu finish 8-10. This would mean we would be in the 4vs5 game vs Isu. I know we lost 2x to them...But I'd rather play them over playing Huggy
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
Thank you.
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Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I want a good tourney appearance and a termination. Can I get that?
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Ok sys trim tobias chingon
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss.
i knew it wasn't for real this time.
I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
No you're fine and definitely in the majority. You can want the coach fired and still cheer for your team. I watched NCSU boo the hell out of Gottfried but then cheer for their team. Those other people are the freaks _FWN, not you.
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I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.
Does FWN stand for F*** Weber Nation
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Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.
Thank god they expanded to 68 or not, however you want to look at it.
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Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
i dunno how much chingon is trolling and how much he believes, but there's no way weber is fired if we make the tournament.
If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.
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Swampthing. We are going to the TOURNAMENT. So find some oscar love, some how.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I agree. (and he should be)
I can't do it. I can never be fully FWN I guess.
that's what makes it fun when you overreact to every loss.
Also agree with this.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
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No you're fine and definitely in the majority. You can want the coach fired and still cheer for your team. I watched NCSU boo the hell out of Gottfried but then cheer for their team. Those other people are the freaks _FWN, not you.
Thanks MIR. I know I can be a ridiculous roller coaster of a fan though.
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If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.
maybe he's accounting for the projections that kstate will likely win a couple more.
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Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I agree. (and he should be)
_fwn, did you read mir's statement correctly?
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
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If he thinks a 3 point win against the worst team secures Weber's job, he's either trolling or stupid, and of course he isn't stupid.
maybe he's accounting for the projections that kstate will likely win a couple more.
That's not what he posted. Is this pit logic?
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Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I agree. (and he should be)
_fwn, did you read mir's statement correctly?
Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.
Also, thank you to DJamer for bailing out oscar after the TO.
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This win guarantees a better record than last season and a clear sign of improvement over last year. The streak of getting worse each season is over. The streak of not winning road games is over. All along I have maintained that is all oscar had to do to keep his job this season (I admit my belief might be wrong, but I firmly believe it). An NCAA tournament appearance just makes it all the more secure for the next three years.
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God you are insufferable about basketball chings
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1) We hit the 50-40-80 threshold. Anytime we made 50% 2pt 40% 3pt and 80% FT, we had better win. It was 54-53-83 today. Making our FTs today was HUGE.
2) both teams crazy hot, then crazy not.
Cats shot 93.4% first 23 min. 27.5% rest of game
Texas 76.2% first 18 min. 37.5% rest of game.
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God you are insufferable about basketball chings
He is resolute in his posting on K-State basketball, I'll give him that.
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1. hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2. kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3. you decline to fire a coach in 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9? you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.
not in order.
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i'm v. happy for DJamer and for a brief period this afternoon i'm gonna fire up the grill and bask in the glow of a totally unimpressive win by a coach i hate. that's p. much where i'm at with cats bball.
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God you are insufferable about basketball chings
He is resolute in his posting on K-State basketball, I'll give him that.
BITB
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.
All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
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1. hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2. kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3. you decline to fire a coach in year 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9? you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.
not in order.
I can't disagree with any of this.
Especially considering the hire-able options right now.
If Currie has a great belief that he can hire someone that will more than likely be better, go for it, but that becomes much tougher when you are talking about a guy going to his third tournament in 5 years. (inherited roster or not)
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Many, like myself, love KState basketball too weirdly. When we don't win we have childish tantrums. Scream if we don't get our ice cream. We lash out Weber just because... it is good to get a cone.
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Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.
well, i think you'd know.
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Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.
All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
IIRC, Currie absolutely made some comments that point toward an AD approved roster rebuild. That is completely true IMO and part of the reason that I think any tournament appearance leaves oscar completely safe.
I will add the qualifier that the home crowd at the final two games will be interesting and could have some say, the crowd last Wednesday was much worse than I expected. I will be in attendance again this Wednesday (free tix), so I will have a first hand report.
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Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.
Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table?
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This win guarantees a better record than last season and a clear sign of improvement over last year. The streak of getting worse each season is over. The streak of not winning road games is over. All along I have maintained that is all oscar had to do to keep his job this season (I admit my belief might be wrong, but I firmly believe it). An NCAA tournament appearance just makes it all the more secure for the next three years.
It isn't that at all and you know it.
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Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.
Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table?
Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.
All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
sys articulated it better than I did. The team was 5-13 last year. When he didn't get fired then (with a realistic popular hire waiting in the wings) an NCAA tournament appearance this year virtually guarantees his return.
Like, what are you thinking the minimum results to keep his job should be? A top 3 B12 finish and/or a Sweet 16?
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?
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1. hardly any coaches ever get fired after going to the tournament.
2. kstate would be bringing back a lot of young players.
3. you decline to fire a coach in 5-13 year x, giving up a chance to hire an alumnus coach that virtually your entire fanbase wanted and then fire him in year x+1 when he justifies your faith by improving to 8-10 or 9-9? you may as well lynch yourself rather than wait for your new coach to falter for even a game or two.
not in order.
1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.
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Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.
Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table?
Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.
I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
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I don't think DJamer and Wes are clearly the two best players
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God you are insufferable about basketball chings
It's the easy way to post. A cop out. Just keep being negative and once proven wrong, you just get to say oops my bad. Then party with the no idiots. There's no consequence. Whereas those that hold out hope for KSU cats and coaching changes can get crucified at every term. Weak people post weakly.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?
From the rough ridin' newspaper
http://cjonline.com/sports-catzone/2015-03-25/k-state-ad-john-currie-supports-decisions-made-oscar-weber
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Wes was great today minus the one missed layup.
Think about this possible scenario. We make the tournament and grind out a win. oscar is going to be in a position for contract negotiations. Will we be his best offer on this table?
Yes. And I would guess a tourney win gets him at least a 2 year extension.
I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
Lock him up now.
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Non* and turn*
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Where do you get your intimate knowledge of the inner workings on such matters?
From the rough ridin' newspaper
http://cjonline.com/sports-catzone/2015-03-25/k-state-ad-john-currie-supports-decisions-made-oscar-weber
Did not read. I'm guessing it is an AD showing public support for his hire? Weird.
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https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561
Who's the hero?
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So you have no rough ridin' idea. You're just another Trim Tobias Chingon Sys. Got it.
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https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561
Who's the hero?
The video of this is on twitter too, very cringeworthy
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1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.
1. who?
2. i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard. most teams lose more than that most years.
3. i violently disagree.
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Link it
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The guy looks silly. IMO.
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https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561
Who's the hero?
Our guy.
https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040
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I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.
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_FAN, I'm a weirdo and don't like that W.A.S.P. is in your screen name
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https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561
Who's the hero?
Our guy.
https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040
And still gave a high five. Coward.
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So he is your guy, Trim. Not our guy.
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you can't boo and high 5 at the same time. great job by weber of exploiting the social contract again.
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I couldn't cheer for a K-State loss, but I don't know what to think. It is what it is, and an absolutely oscar thing to do.
Some advice? This team is in the tourney, enjoy it and look forward to another year.
Probably correct. Now I look forward to that and my new username I guess.
Despite what the gE trolls insist on, oscar is not absolutely safe with simply a tournament appearance.
I'm not trolling, I would be shocked if he makes the tournament and gets canned.
Why do you think this?
Based on expectations established when he was brought back last year. A tourney two years after an AD-approved house cleaning? Come on.
Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.
All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
sys articulated it better than I did. The team was 5-13 last year. When he didn't get fired then (with a realistic popular hire waiting in the wings) an NCAA tournament appearance this year virtually guarantees his return.
Like, what are you thinking the minimum results to keep his job should be? A top 3 B12 finish and/or a Sweet 16?
I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
I think at the end of the season, all of the factors will be evaluated and a decision will be made. Like I said before, I don't think just a tournament appearance will absolutely make him safe.
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I still think it is likely this team loses to OU, OSU, and TCU. Do they still make the tournament if they lose all 3?
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Another year, maybe, but no contact extension. Year to year. Don't produce you are gone. It will cost us 2.4 million to buy out his contract if we let oscar go.
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I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
we do know he kept him after 5-13.
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https://twitter.com/JamarSamuels/status/833071087961382913
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Let's agree to argue about "AD-approved house cleaning." Okay now that's out of the way, no matter whether we make the tournament or not the story of this season has been told. We are returning nice pieces but we're losing our two best players. The fans are either losing faith or have lost faith. The coach is making absurd excuses nearly every time he has a mic in his face. Next year is another season of uncertainty. The media are even circling above looking for a corpse.
All signs point to oscar being is very real trouble right now, getting in with a 11 seed then losing by 9 on a Thursday afternoon in Spokane doesn't change any of this.
IIRC, Currie absolutely made some comments that point toward an AD approved roster rebuild. That is completely true IMO and part of the reason that I think any tournament appearance leaves oscar completely safe.
So we're just talking about MF2, at the time we thought oscar and Currie should have worked with him more. Since that happened Marcus has hinted/said? that he should have been dismissed. I think we should use the retrospect offered to us and they should get more credit how this was handled than what we thought two years ago. I didn't want to get bogged down by arguing this because it isn't important to the overall conversation.
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I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.
If the world wasn't so complex with human emotions, we could state that Currie let a coach walk before. We could also say Currie didn't call Frank's non-bluff. Maybe we will be able to say Currie doesn't call Weber's real-bluff.
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1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.
1. who?
2. i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard. most teams lose more than that most years.
3. i violently disagree.
1. Ford
2. Fine agree then, tell me who we have around who will fill the roles of Wes and DJamer, not to mention the points and defensive presence.
3. We'll agree to disagree but that doesn't mean either Currie, AD brand x, or myself thinks Weber is entitled to what you seem to think is nearly blanket immunity.
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I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
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I would bet a two year extension wouldn't be his best offer.
i mean, i wouldn't fire him if i was currie, but if he left on his own i'd be skipping down the halls of whatever building he has an office in.
LOL, yes we can agree on this. M-N is out of his goddamned mind.
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Ford was 3-15 last season
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I still think it is likely this team loses to OU, OSU, and TCU. Do they still make the tournament if they lose all 3?
Probably
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osu didn't go to the tournament last year.
i haven't paid any attention to who we already have signed to come in next year. so maybe we already have people recruited or on the bench, no idea. i think we could use a juco pg and a decent big. we don't need to replace iwu with another point forward, just use a more normal lineup. if they don't get another usable big, i don't hate the idea of playing small/skilled with wade at the 5 a fair bit. nothing wrong with outscoring people. wade at the 4 and the no defense, good offense big we have whose name i can't recall could also outscore people.
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Ford was 3-15 last season
Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.
Tubby Smith.
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That is a lot that goes into it and I haven't done a deep dive. But I believe our preseason kenyon ranking with have a slight up tick. With projected natural development plus it is going to make the assumption that Dean and Sneed usage and minutes rates will go up. Both of them are pretty darn efficient. There is also just a ton of room for improvement based depth.
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Ford was 3-15 last season
Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.
Tubby Smith.
Tubby took the Memphis job. He was trying to leave the job ever since he got there.
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Ford was 3-15 last season
Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.
Tubby Smith.
Tubby wasn't fired, they tried to give him a raise.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-hires-tubby-smith-away-from-texas-tech/
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I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
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Ford was 3-15 last season
Jesus, not sure how I just forgot about that, sorry.
Tubby Smith.
Tubby wasn't fired, they tried to give him a raise.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/memphis-hires-tubby-smith-away-from-texas-tech/
Minnesota
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osu didn't go to the tournament last year.
i haven't paid any attention to who we already have signed to come in next year. so maybe we already have people recruited or on the bench, no idea. i think we could use a juco pg and a decent big. we don't need to replace iwu with another point forward, just use a more normal lineup. if they don't get another usable big, i don't hate the idea of playing small/skilled with wade at the 5 a fair bit. nothing wrong with outscoring people. wade at the 4 and the no defense, good offense big we have whose name i can't recall could also outscore people.
You just described another rebuild, not a complete one but an identity change, again.
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I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.
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I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.
It would have been acceptable if you were okay with letting the entire back court go at the end of the previous season.
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1. Happened in this conference last season.
2. Missing our best 2
3. As much as we didn't think oscar was the right guy, you don't fire your coach just to hire someone else, that someone who may not have even wanted the job.
1. who?
2. i don't agree, but even if i did, replacing two players isn't hard. most teams lose more than that most years.
3. i violently disagree.
1. Ford
2. Fine agree then, tell me who we have around who will fill the roles of Wes and DJamer, not to mention the points and defensive presence.
3. We'll agree to disagree but that doesn't mean either Currie, AD brand x, or myself thinks Weber is entitled to what you seem to think is nearly blanket immunity.
2. I think we will be just fine without Wes. Sneed will be better next year. We will have Diarra. Plus 2 starting guards a year older, should be better. Also, Patrick will improve and get more minutes. His shooting is nice to have to go along with Kam Sneed Barry and Dean
Now losing DJamer hurts. We don't have an inside scorer to replace him
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I reject the notion that any improvement over 5-13 constitutes enough of an improvement to keep his job. If we are smart enough to evaluate the course of and to project what we see why can't the athletic director do the same? I also reject the absolute knowledge of oscar getting to do what he wants because Currie can't admit his mistake.
I agree, an NCAA tournament after 5-13 constitutes enough improvement though. I've seen enough from oscar that I don't expect a significant dropoff (if any) assuming everyone returns next year.
I don't think we have enough knowledge about Currie to be so resolute about what he's going to do. When I evaluate what I think is going to happen I see Currie as brand x athletic director. I think others are placing attributes to him we don't know are true or not.
We know he hired oscar immediately after he was fired and kept him after consecutive disastrous seasons. And oscar's five seasons at KSU have been arguably better than his last five at Illinois. Firing oscar after cleanly building an NCAA tournament team seems to contradict every decision Currie has made regarding men's basketball to date. What more information would we need to make a reasonable assumption about Currie's thought process?
What does his last five years at Illinois have to do with anything? You also have no idea whether or not Currie thinks he made a mistake five years ago, not necessarily in who he hired but his methodology and process. He was a young AD making his first major hire. Why do people think he can't see his mistake and want to be better?
If he really changed, the end of last season would have been the perfect time to admit he made a mistake. No reasonable person could have found last year's results acceptable yet turned around and fired Weber for this year's results. I suppose it's possible Currie had some sort of change of heart this season but it seems very unlikely because I think he's a reasonable person.
It would have been acceptable if you were okay with letting the entire back court go at the end of the previous season.
Hmmmm
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https://twitter.com/LonghornRdTrip/status/833061251232194561
Who's the hero?
Our guy.
https://twitter.com/testy_westy/status/833064917645271040
his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Any commentary on the rationale or no?
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this whole thing is just sad :frown:
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Its just like when a dog hacks and harfs up living vomit, and then sits there and eats it. We have been warpathing for the demise of oscar every spring for the last 4 years. He loses and we hate him. Then his team does better, and we think he doesn't look so bad. We are barf eatin dogs.
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I got excited when I saw there was a five pager after the game. Only to find out it's five pages of suck.
:buh-bye:
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Any commentary on the rationale or no?
my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?
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In my mind, the only possible sway for Currie could be 2 more crowds worse than last Wednesday night. If the fans speak by not showing up to these last two games then maybe a move is made with just a first four selection. But realistically, I can't see Currie making any move with an NCAA appearance. If oscar manages to win the last 2 home games, there is no measurable criteria that hasn't improved over last year at least a little bit.
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the cows game is like a four-d fulcrum.
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the cows game is like a four-d fulcrum.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fadammclane.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F01%2Ffulcrum-1.jpg&hash=f444e1df04b37ee5c976d1d9655a6dcf843eb704)
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MIR can't be serious with this? Did he not have dozens of posts re: the Leti release where our AD went to the goddamn wall to make sure his hire didn't lose his best player? Motherfucking Jay Bilas called us out on that before we finally did the right thing
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
If we can win 3-4 more games before Selection Sunday and make the tourney, I can't see firing him.
This league has a 1,2,3 seed in it, and 4 teams that should make it. If we go 9-9, it's not what I ultimately wanted, but I do know that if this team was just barely better, we win the Tech & Tcu games (that's still saying we lose both Ku and Isu games).
Thing that stings right now is the 4 losses at home. We are 3-4 on road and and eyelash from being 4-3.
Hey, Baylor WV and Isu all have 3 road losses. The way we have played on the road.....for the most part...is encouraging as of this moment
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oscar high-fived the magnet guy. That's so amazing.
Now who's wearing the clown suit Testy-Westy?
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oscar high-fived the magnet guy. That's so amazing.
probably his finest moment at kstate.
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testy westy is the greatest, I don't know him at all, but he sent me a magnet once and he boos oscar every time he sees him. I think that guy's a hero.
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testy westy is the greatest, I don't know him at all, but he sent me a magnet once and he boos oscar every time he sees him. I think that guy's a hero.
Ok trim
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I hate the rain, Trim and I have little in common.
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I hate the rain, Trim and I have little in common.
Nope, did you see how I walked Payton to a whole other neighborhood via numerous public transit options and underground tunnels to spite the rain right in its face?
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his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.
Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Any commentary on the rationale or no?
my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?
I'm not going to give a percentage because there is such a wide variance of circumstance on how the season will play out, even at this point. I will say that right now I think the most likely circumstance is that we make the tournament and oscar oscar is retained, but that's far from a given.
I do appreciate actually discussing reasons why he should go or stay, by nearly everyone itt, instead of the normal he's staying because CurDog hur hur hur, for the 10,000th time.
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MIR can't be serious with this? Did he not have dozens of posts re: the Leti release where our AD went to the goddamn wall to make sure his hire didn't lose his best player? Motherfucking Jay Bilas called us out on that before we finally did the right thing
What in the entire world does Leticia Romero have to do with this?
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his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.
Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.
Does this story entail more than pissclams banning him because of big brother, lol?
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his twitter has a photo showing he was banned from gE? which like i didn't even know was humanly possible. in any case, he just looks like a creepy idiot imo.
Just text me or something when you need a quick background story.
Does this story entail more than pissclams banning him because of big brother, lol?
That notwithstanding that big brother silliness, tw's been a gE hero for almost half a decade.
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Context is important, but this is still a funny quote. Also why I don't agree with timeouts in that situation, whatever oscar drew up clearly didn't work, Stokes was forced to shoot a floater, and DJamer made a play.
Also, down the stretch Stokes and Brown both made big shots. Players making plays after the under 4 is what wins close games.
Johnson downplayed his performance and his game-winning play. It happened so fast he wasn’t sure how it transpired.
“My memory is really bad. I don’t exactly remember what coach drew up,” Johnson said. “But we got the job done.”
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article133604194.html#storylink=cpy
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We got lucky UT is trash, Scott Drew definitely had the more egregious, WTF time out, great double team call by Burrito Bill.
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Good lord. We didn't keep oscar at the end of last year to then fire him after making the tourney this year. If he makes the tourney, he stays. I'm baffled that people are arguing the possibility that this isn't true.
Any commentary on the rationale or no?
my post was commentary. I also agree with everything sys and Russ have said. Out of curiosity, if this team makes the tourney, what percent chance do you give for oscar being fired?
I'm not going to give a percentage because there is such a wide variance of circumstance on how the season will play out, even at this point.
Oh good grief
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Taking the tact of "I don't know what the hell this team is going to do let's let the season play out" leads to that reaction? Okay buddy :lol:
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asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.
I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.
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asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.
I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.
You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?
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asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.
I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.
You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?
I think that I simply took all of the available information available to me and used it to make a prediction. This post took less than 30 seconds.
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asking you to put a percentage chance of Weber getting fired if (if) this team makes the tournament seems like an insanely reasonable question to ask, given that you've been arguing for pages now that you think it's a very real possibility.
I'll even go first....as if right now I think there is a less than five percent chance that oscar gets fired if this team makes the tournament. That took me less than a minute.
You think the chances of him getting fired are the same if we finish 2-4 with let's say three double digit losses than they are if we go 5-1 in our next six games?
I think that I simply took all of the available information available to me and used it to make a prediction. This post took less than 30 seconds.
Yet you couldn't take 5-30 seconds to answer my question, I won't point out the obvious hypocrisy though.
To answer your question, I'd say 3-33%, happy?
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If KSU makes the tourney and oscar gets fired, I will eat my hat
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If KSU makes the tourney and oscar gets fired, I will eat my hat
:crossfingers: