Post by: renocat on December 29, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
Post by: mocat on December 29, 2016, 03:54:57 PM
Post by: Gooch on December 29, 2016, 03:56:23 PM
Post by: CNS on December 29, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
They were probably just trying to get on YouPorn and accidentally hacked the DNC. Why so sensitive?
Post by: The Big Train on December 29, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Post by: CNS on December 29, 2016, 04:10:31 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoO8kXqd.gif&hash=023ba09af2bed51a27249ae5875d8d95046f6bbb)
If you showed that to Trump under the guise of your understanding of Computer, he would hire you as some sort of advisor in charge of Computer or Cyber. Maybe even both!
Post by: Phil Titola on December 29, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Post by: Panjandrum on December 30, 2016, 12:01:49 AM
I'm confused...people made fun of BO for being weak when he said "cut it out", etc...but now this is too tough? What is everybody looking for? Is the current admin being too tough on your new BFFs in Moscow?
Unless you've been asleep for eight years, this is the formulaic narrative for every possible scenario.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 30, 2016, 08:37:27 AM
I'm confused...people made fun of BO for being weak when he said "cut it out", etc...but now this is too tough? What is everybody looking for? Is the current admin being too tough on your new BFFs in Moscow?
Unless you've been asleep for the last 200 years, this is the formulaic narrative for every possible scenario.
Fify
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 30, 2016, 02:04:30 PM
I'm confused...people made fun of BO for being weak when he said "cut it out", etc...but now this is too tough? What is everybody looking for? Is the current admin being too tough on your new BFFs in Moscow?
Unless you've been asleep for eight years, this is the formulaic narrative for every possible scenario.
That's right, Trump and Putin are allies, but Trump is going to start a nuclear war with him because of his reckless tweets. #thinkprogress
Meanwhile, B.O. was totally okay with Russia until they went too far by allowimg wikileaks to post copies of Hilltards emails, and there's no evidence her email server was ever compromised. #thinkprogress
In real life, this is one of the most petty and ill advised moves by a butthurt lame duck president to attempt to contrive strained relations between america and russia, and to undetmine the Donald's electoral college ass whooping and the republicans ongoing ass whoopings of the loser party the lame duck destroyed with his incoherent and ineffective policies and general dogmatic hatred of all non-libtarded endeavors.
Post by: star seed 7 on December 30, 2016, 02:10:55 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 30, 2016, 02:19:38 PM
fsd's dementia is facinating
Something about the word dementia really messes with the ability to spell words.
Post by: CNS on December 30, 2016, 02:20:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on December 30, 2016, 02:22:30 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 30, 2016, 05:12:36 PM
fsd's dementia is facinating
Something about the word dementia really messes with the ability to spell words.
:lol:
Post by: Phil Titola on December 31, 2016, 12:46:09 AM
I'm confused...people made fun of BO for being weak when he said "cut it out", etc...but now this is too tough? What is everybody looking for? Is the current admin being too tough on your new BFFs in Moscow?
Unless you've been asleep for eight years, this is the formulaic narrative for every possible scenario.
That's right, Trump and Putin are allies, but Trump is going to start a nuclear war with him because of his reckless tweets. #thinkprogress
Meanwhile, B.O. was totally okay with Russia until they went too far by allowimg wikileaks to post copies of Hilltards emails, and there's no evidence her email server was ever compromised. #thinkprogress
In real life, this is one of the most petty and ill advised moves by a butthurt lame duck president to attempt to contrive strained relations between america and russia, and to undetmine the Donald's electoral college ass whooping and the republicans ongoing ass whoopings of the loser party the lame duck destroyed with his incoherent and ineffective policies and general dogmatic hatred of all non-libtarded endeavors.
??????????
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 31, 2016, 01:28:45 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 08:57:12 AM
Post by: renocat on December 31, 2016, 09:40:30 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 31, 2016, 09:46:58 AM
Standing up to Russia is great.
Drawing red lines to skip over, deporting computer guys, suck it russia, you can have crimea, georgia and ukraine!
#obamabossmoves
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2016, 10:27:44 AM
Post by: The Big Train on December 31, 2016, 10:32:25 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 10:34:03 AM
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 31, 2016, 12:05:44 PM
Oh hey, we'd win a war with Russia and nobody on our side would get killed, only Russians (and thousands of innocents).
'merica!!
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 31, 2016, 12:06:41 PM
Boss move to head that off by deporting 35 computer programmers. :lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 31, 2016, 12:07:33 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 12:56:03 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2016, 01:04:52 PM
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Why was Russia so scared of Hillary Clinton?
Not scared, but their influence would be zero.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 01:38:15 PM
Why was Russia so scared of Hillary Clinton?
Not scared, but their influence would be zero.
Ok, is this accurate? that is a legit explanation if so
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2016, 01:42:12 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 02:12:42 PM
Post by: chum1 on December 31, 2016, 02:13:53 PM
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Clinton meant exporting oil and gas to allies who are heavily reliant on Russian imports. The Democratic nominee’s private positions on energy, as indicated in speeches released by WikiLeaks in October, suggest how she might use America’s oil and gas industry as a bludgeon against Moscow.
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-hillary-clinton-energy-oil-natural-gas-ukraine-europe-fracking-516397
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 02:18:22 PM
QuoteClinton meant exporting oil and gas to allies who are heavily reliant on Russian imports. The Democratic nominee’s private positions on energy, as indicated in speeches released by WikiLeaks in October, suggest how she might use America’s oil and gas industry as a bludgeon against Moscow.
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-hillary-clinton-energy-oil-natural-gas-ukraine-europe-fracking-516397
I thought we were doing that kind of thing already...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 31, 2016, 02:55:32 PM
Literally no one has said any of that, holy crap the changing of subject is mad funny
You didn't read the Rolling Stone article I posted then.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 31, 2016, 02:57:49 PM
why is it such a incredibly sore subject for Trump fans? If true (not saying it is) then yes Russia has decided that Trump is impotent/dumb but guess what, ha can absolutely prove them wrong. It's like when the other team gets to pick who shoots free throws, they pick the biggest weenie on the other team but he can still make the shots.
LOL, you're such a dumbass sometimes. Literally the entire excuse train and total meltdown from the left about the horrible candidate they rigged their primaries for to get her on the ballot and then her subsequent loss (because she ran a shitty campaign) has been blamed on "Russian Hackers".
Post by: Phil Titola on December 31, 2016, 03:07:19 PM
why is it such a incredibly sore subject for Trump fans? If true (not saying it is) then yes Russia has decided that Trump is impotent/dumb but guess what, ha can absolutely prove them wrong. It's like when the other team gets to pick who shoots free throws, they pick the biggest weenie on the other team but he can still make the shots.
LOL, you're such a dumbass sometimes. Literally the entire excuse train and total meltdown from the left about the horrible candidate they rigged their primaries for to get her on the ballot and then her subsequent loss (because she ran a shitty campaign) has been blamed on "Russian Hackers".
IMO it's time to split off the discussion of US institutions being hacked and that hack being used as an excuse for losing....it's not a valid excuse for HRC losing the election....now, how do we deal with the hacking?
Post by: chum1 on December 31, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
And no one is saying they think that the outcome of the election was affected. If they say anything, they say it wasn't.
It is possible for people to talk about it and be concerned about it without making excuses, right?
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
why is it such a incredibly sore subject for Trump fans? If true (not saying it is) then yes Russia has decided that Trump is impotent/dumb but guess what, ha can absolutely prove them wrong. It's like when the other team gets to pick who shoots free throws, they pick the biggest weenie on the other team but he can still make the shots.
LOL, you're such a dumbass sometimes. Literally the entire excuse train and total meltdown from the left about the horrible candidate they rigged their primaries for to get her on the ballot and then her subsequent loss (because she ran a shitty campaign) has been blamed on "Russian Hackers".
IMO it's time to split off the discussion of US institutions being hacked and that hack being used as an excuse for losing....it's not a valid excuse for HRC losing the election....now, how do we deal with the hacking?
We hack the eff out of them back which is im sure what we are already doing.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 31, 2016, 04:33:18 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 31, 2016, 04:59:25 PM
Russia didn't "hack our election" you stupid fucks.
There was hacking and attempting hacking of key parts of the election cycle. Not saying it was Russia. Who did it is secondary.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2016, 05:04:19 PM
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2016, 06:26:56 PM
I mean, many here lost their crap over some Saudi donations yet the over all pub approval of putin has gone from 10% to like 37% from during the election to now. I mean, that is super lol'y.
Post by: CNS on December 31, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 08:54:51 AM
Who would have thought that the country we spent several decades in a cold war with, during a few of your lives, not only is making international aggressive moves, but over a third of pubs think the leader of said country is a good guy. That is probably the most mind blowing thing that has happened since the invention of this particular pit.
Lol, yet all the U.S. has done for decades and particularly once the break up of the Soviet Union came is bomb the crap out of Russian allies, overthrow the governments of Russian allies (or try to), expand NATO, place ABM systems in former Soviet bloc countries (if Russia put ABM systems in Mexico, we'd go nuts) and generally stick and instigate the bear at nearly every turn.
Wow, a whole new generation of US hegemonists living in all places, the ranks of Libs??
Post by: mocat on January 01, 2017, 09:25:24 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 09:45:38 AM
Russia didn't "hack our election" you stupid fucks.
There was hacking and attempting hacking of key parts of the election cycle. Not saying it was Russia. Who did it is secondary.
No. Nobody "hacked the election." B.O. has even acknowledged that.
Podesta got fished like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and hilltard set up a server in a bathroom. Their emails were published by wikileaks. The emails demonstrated disdain for democracy and their own constituency causing the dnc to be somewhat exposed for what it really is.
What happrned is no different than Jimmy Carter Jr. sneaking into Romney's 47% speach or the redux of the "grabbin' pussy" comment.
It's fuckimg nuts that the libtard finds russia culpable for the dems getting pasted at all levels of govt. People are bored with the left.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
Who would have thought that the country we spent several decades in a cold war with, during a few of your lives, not only is making international aggressive moves, but over a third of pubs think the leader of said country is a good guy. That is probably the most mind blowing thing that has happened since the invention of this particular pit.
Not sure what this 1/3 comment is, most pubs I know just think it's funny how Putin pushed obama around like his cuckold little bitch. They can laugh because they were on the side that said not to get pushed around like a pacifist bitch.
What's far more appalling is the admiration of Castro demonstrated by the libtarded. That truly is sick.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 09:53:23 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 01, 2017, 09:57:11 AM
Russia didn't "hack our election" you stupid fucks.
There was hacking and attempting hacking of key parts of the election cycle. Not saying it was Russia. Who did it is secondary.
No. Nobody "hacked the election." B.O. has even acknowledged that.
Podesta got fished like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and hilltard set up a server in a bathroom. Their emails were published by wikileaks. The emails demonstrated disdain for democracy and their own constituency causing the dnc to be somewhat exposed for what it really is.
What happrned is no different than Jimmy Carter Jr. sneaking into Romney's 47% speach or the redux of the "grabbin' pussy" comment.
It's fuckimg nuts that the libtard finds russia culpable for the dems getting pasted at all levels of govt. People are bored with the left.
I see what you are saying....I wasn't trying to say script kiddies got into vote data and manipulated it. What did happen should be bothersome to all of us but instead we've come to the point that if it didn't happen to the political team you cheer for, you are okay with it.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
why is it such a incredibly sore subject for Trump fans? If true (not saying it is) then yes Russia has decided that Trump is impotent/dumb but guess what, ha can absolutely prove them wrong. It's like when the other team gets to pick who shoots free throws, they pick the biggest weenie on the other team but he can still make the shots.
I don't know if you're trying to be deliberately dense, are genuinely confused/ignorant, or are just trolling, but...
1) zero evidence has been made available that the russian government obtained the email that wikileaks published.
2) the notion that russia "prefers" hilltard over trump is baseless conjecture as far as I can tell. In fact, russias domination of obama would lead any logical person to think if it had a preference it would be hilltard and not the dude the dems said can't be trusted with nukes. In any event, I believe the foundation for this misbelief is butthurt libtardedness.
3) what most people are actually concerned with is this very obvious effort from b.o. and the dems to undermine a legitimate election. It feels very 3rd world autocracy-y, and is very troubling in a country that's enjoyed "peaceful transition of power for 2+ centuries" (see libtarded columnists posts the 3rd debate about how dangerous the administrations behavior is".
In sum, you're premise is based upon 1&2, which are wholly unfounded and likely 100% contrived, and you are somehow so rough ridin' stupid that you are completely unaware of 3.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 10:07:20 AM
Russia didn't "hack our election" you stupid fucks.
There was hacking and attempting hacking of key parts of the election cycle. Not saying it was Russia. Who did it is secondary.
No. Nobody "hacked the election." B.O. has even acknowledged that.
Podesta got fished like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and hilltard set up a server in a bathroom. Their emails were published by wikileaks. The emails demonstrated disdain for democracy and their own constituency causing the dnc to be somewhat exposed for what it really is.
What happrned is no different than Jimmy Carter Jr. sneaking into Romney's 47% speach or the redux of the "grabbin' pussy" comment.
It's fuckimg nuts that the libtard finds russia culpable for the dems getting pasted at all levels of govt. People are bored with the left.
I see what you are saying....I wasn't trying to say script kiddies got into vote data and manipulated it. What did happen should be bothersome to all of us but instead we've come to the point that if it didn't happen to the political team you cheer for, you are okay with it.
Email was published that nobody disputes is not authentic. It is far closer to actual journalism than espionage. The desire to demonize russia is a not so thinly veiled attempt to shift blame from the responsible parties (dnc dumb fucks) and to undermine the election.
We've been playing spy game with russia for a century.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
Do you seriously think anyone in the current admin or elsewhere is going to stop your guy from getting sworn in later this month? Please tell me you don't honestly because I would have to call a doctor for your head injury.
Post by: CNS on January 01, 2017, 10:11:58 AM
Also, lol at Castro anything. Cuba is only relevant to anyone in the US for reasons of cheap vacations and stuff that happened like 60 yrs ago. It's not like Cuba has been making moves. Cuba isn't even making moves in Cuba. I mean, we have a rough ridin' military base in Cuba. Your deflection from a discussion of Putin's russia to Castro's Cuba is probably the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) bridge you have tried to lead us across.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 10:19:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
I definitely think Trump is a weakling that Russia can dominate. Much moreso than Obama. In fact, I'd say they're already dominating him and he's too ignorant to know it.
But that doesn't make his fans weak and impotent irl does it?
Post by: Phil Titola on January 01, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Russia didn't "hack our election" you stupid fucks.
There was hacking and attempting hacking of key parts of the election cycle. Not saying it was Russia. Who did it is secondary.
No. Nobody "hacked the election." B.O. has even acknowledged that.
Podesta got fished like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and hilltard set up a server in a bathroom. Their emails were published by wikileaks. The emails demonstrated disdain for democracy and their own constituency causing the dnc to be somewhat exposed for what it really is.
What happrned is no different than Jimmy Carter Jr. sneaking into Romney's 47% speach or the redux of the "grabbin' pussy" comment.
It's fuckimg nuts that the libtard finds russia culpable for the dems getting pasted at all levels of govt. People are bored with the left.
I see what you are saying....I wasn't trying to say script kiddies got into vote data and manipulated it. What did happen should be bothersome to all of us but instead we've come to the point that if it didn't happen to the political team you cheer for, you are okay with it.
Email was published that nobody disputes is not authentic. It is far closer to actual journalism than espionage. The desire to demonize russia is a not so thinly veiled attempt to shift blame from the responsible parties (dnc dumb fucks) and to undermine the election.
We've been playing spy game with russia for a century.
:ROFL:
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 01, 2017, 11:23:20 AM
Internet safety tip: This isn't Mission Impossible. When someone sends you an email you don't recognize, often on behalf of a Nigerian prince, and you click on the attachment, that doesn't mean a foreign government hacked you. It means you're a dumbass.
And as if this entire story isn't laughably thin, it is premised on the assumption that the Russian government preferred Donald Trump over Hillary "Obama's Third Term and Author of the Russian Reset" Clinton. :lol:
They are completely unhinged.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 11:28:20 AM
I hope it wasn't Russia's intent to do this to sway the election towards the candidate they can use and manipulate because he is an equally big idiot.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 11:30:01 AM
#tears
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 11:41:43 AM
Oh yeah, Obama has absolutely manhandled Vlad.
#tears
America has
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 01, 2017, 12:01:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
Oh yeah, Obama has absolutely manhandled Vlad.
#tears
America has
You mean a Syrian cease fire without US involvement, and Crimea are examples of handling Vlad?
Hilarious
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:07:18 PM
Gosh, it almost sounds like Obama is losing the Cold War.
What did he promise Vlad after the 2012 election, anyway?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:12:19 PM
The U.K. military just did a study which concluded Russia would annihilate forward placed NATO forces without substantial reinforcements.
Gosh, it almost sounds like Obama is losing the Cold War.
What did he promise Vlad after the 2012 election, anyway?
Why would Russia pick trump as the weakling in this election?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:16:07 PM
The U.K. military just did a study which concluded Russia would annihilate forward placed NATO forces without substantial reinforcements.
Gosh, it almost sounds like Obama is losing the Cold War.
What did he promise Vlad after the 2012 election, anyway?
Why would Russia pick trump as the weakling in this election?
To date there's literally no real world action of any kind to indicate Trump is weak with Russia. Nothing but words.
This has all been conjured up in the lib meltdown.
On the flip side we can see that Obama and Hillary as SOS were s total disaster in regards to Russia on every front. Weak, yet confrontational, the worst of all worlds.
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 12:18:48 PM
It's amazing the level of dumbasses that still click on phishing....We do regular tests and still get like 40% of people to click.
:blindfold:
Quote
When the phishing email first arrived, Podesta referred it to a number of aides. An aide named Charles Delavan replied, “This is a legitimate email. John needs to change his password immediately.” But according to the Times report, that email was a simple flub — at least according to the aide in question. Delavan says he knew the email was a fraud, based on similar phishing attempts that had been spotted and blocked. He had meant to write “illegitimate email,” and simply mistyped. On that recommendation, the email was opened and the account was compromised
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/13/13940514/dnc-email-hack-typo-john-podesta-clinton-russia
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:22:09 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
So if I've got this right, some hackers that were maybe operating out of Russia/Ukraine (not confirmed, but also irrelevant because that's where a LOT of hackers operate) engaged in a spearphishing campaign that was no more sophisticated than any other spearphishing campaign, so of course John Podesta and other assorted DNC dumbasses actually clicked on the malware, resulting in true and truly embarrassing emails being leaked wherein it is revealed how much these assholes hate their fellow Americans, and Obama and his media surrogates are claiming this means (1) "the Russian government" (2) "hacked the election" and (3) assorted dumbasses here in the Pit have accepted this hook like and sinker? :lol:
Internet safety tip: This isn't Mission Impossible. When someone sends you an email you don't recognize, often on behalf of a Nigerian prince, and you click on the attachment, that doesn't mean a foreign government hacked you. It means you're a dumbass.
And as if this entire story isn't laughably thin, it is premised on the assumption that the Russian government preferred Donald Trump over Hillary "Obama's Third Term and Author of the Russian Reset" Clinton. :lol:
They are completely unhinged.
Excellent summary.
I suppose if the libtatded want to believe that Russia prefers Trump bc they think Trump will be weak against them (completely unfounded and contracdictory to many other things they believe) that's fine. They believe in many fantasy and are hopelessly delusional to the point of rage.
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 12:26:09 PM
To date there's literally no real world action of any kind to indicate Trump is weak with Russia. Nothing but words.
You mean apart from everything about his extensively documented personality and decision making?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
To date there's literally no real world action of any kind to indicate Trump is weak with Russia. Nothing but words.
You mean apart from everything about his extensively documented personality and decision making?
Was he president?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:28:45 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Oh yeah, Obama has absolutely manhandled Vlad.
#tears
America has
Russia probs thought Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter were weak, THEN CAME SOME STUPID DUMBFUCK ACTOR FROM CALIFORNIA NAMED RONALD REAGAN. "Tear down that wall!"
That's why libtards love Reagan, super tough on Russia. :ROFL:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:31:36 PM
Oh yeah, Obama has absolutely manhandled Vlad.
#tears
America has
Russia probs thought Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter were weak, THEN CAME SOME STUPID DUMBFUCK ACTOR FROM CALIFORNIA NAMED RONALD REAGAN. "Tear down that wall!"
That's why libtards love Reagan, super tough on Russia. :ROFL:
Time for another lib think tank white paper on how Reagan didn't really win the Cold War.
The modern lib, the passive aggressive Cold Warrior.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:32:45 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
You have to ask why another country wants free money and weapons?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 01, 2017, 12:33:03 PM
They've lost their rough ridin' minds. Watching these libtards try to figure this out is like watching a mentally challenged 5yr old try to wiggle out of a chinese finger trap. :love:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:35:09 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
You have to ask why another country wants free money and weapons?
We give weapons to the U.K. now, gosh I wonder why they had all the debate about BUYING F35's?
Technically we didn't even them free weapons during WWII.
Weird
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:37:34 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
You have to ask why another country wants free money and weapons?
We give weapons to the U.K. now, gosh I wonder why they all the debate about BUYING F35's?
Technically we didn't even them free weapons during WWII.
Weird
You can't see a self interest in the U.K. determining that NATO bases need shoring up? Really?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
You have to ask why another country wants free money and weapons?
We give weapons to the U.K. now, gosh I wonder why they all the debate about BUYING F35's?
Technically we didn't even them free weapons during WWII.
Weird
You can't see a self interest in the U.K. determining that NATO bases need shoring up? Really?
Pss, the U.K. has several robust and substantial defense contractors, that we buy systems from as well.
They build their own tanks, ships and most of their planes.
No charge.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 12:41:55 PM
I just did a study: The UK wants more $$ and guns from us
Why? Because of how Obama has rolled over for Putin,
You have to ask why another country wants free money and weapons?
We give weapons to the U.K. now, gosh I wonder why they all the debate about BUYING F35's?
Technically we didn't even them free weapons during WWII.
Weird
You can't see a self interest in the U.K. determining that NATO bases need shoring up? Really?
Post by: EMAWican on January 01, 2017, 12:42:28 PM
That's high level hacking right there.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 01, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
This, btw, brought to you by the same pols and their media surrogates complaining about "fake news." What's the word for pathetic and disgusting? It's that.
I used to be really worried about the efficacy of the liberal propaganda machine, but Trump beat it so that gives me a little more confidence that Americans aren't quite as gullible as I feared.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 01, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 01, 2017, 01:32:31 PM
Are the same people who deny obama was weak on russia the ones conjecturalizing that trump will be weak on russia, cuz :lol: And are they the same people worried that trump will start ww3 with russia because he's so ill-tempered, cuz :ROFL:
They've lost their rough ridin' minds. Watching these libtards try to figure this out is like watching a mentally challenged 5yr old try to wiggle out of a chinese finger trap. :love:
Same reason people are worried about DJT....don't think that petty guy can't be baited?
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
The DNC hack/cover up is a familiar Russian scheme that was recognized by cybersecurity nerds even before CrowdStrike or ThreatConnect released their findings.
Trump showed he was a weakling that Russia can dominate the instant he out of the blue started talking about NATO.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
A NATO where German troops are collectively unfit for war (one example)??
Interesting
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
No one has ever talked about the other NATO partners taking on a greater burden.
Yeah, I mean, if you have an old Breitbart link or something, I'd definitely rethink that one. I have to admit that I don't get info from the same places that Trump does.
Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2017, 05:23:38 PM
No one has ever talked about the other NATO partners taking on a greater burden.
Yeah, I mean, if you have an old Breitbart link or something, I'd definitely rethink that one. I have to admit that I don't get info from the same places that Trump does.
Per google search excluding Trump results, it looks like Robert Gates talked about it in 2011, an op-ed in LA Times discussed it in 2014, and one in the Dallas paper in 2015. Not exactly a hot topic.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 01, 2017, 06:01:53 PM
No one has ever talked about the other NATO partners taking on a greater burden.
Yeah, I mean, if you have an old Breitbart link or something, I'd definitely rethink that one. I have to admit that I don't get info from the same places that Trump does.
I'm old, it's been talked about in some form or fashion for years.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 02, 2017, 06:30:14 PM
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To many Democrats who considered Obama’s bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1.
Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here’s a “progressive” Democrat:
“In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. … By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy.”
There’s a bit of a nod there—in the word “investigations”— to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes “aid and comfort.” What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows.
Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless “punishment” is much easier.
But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people.
Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren’t even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats’ emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary.
By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks’ actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 03, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
Just say NO to war and U.S. Hegemony: Unless a Democrat is President
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 07:12:18 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-do-not-appear-to-have-targeted-vermont-utility-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/01/02/70c25956-d12c-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.a90ce3549b02 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-do-not-appear-to-have-targeted-vermont-utility-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/01/02/70c25956-d12c-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.a90ce3549b02)
There's no evidence they hacked the DNC, either, but it's a start.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 09:39:58 AM
So when I hear the conjecture that Russia is behind this hacking I don't literally think there is a KGB hacking bureau who does this (though I am sure they have tried and I am equally as sure the CIA or someone in Virginia is working on this for us) I just assume it is some pretty sophisticated Russians with the knowledge and tacit backing of the USSR. I generally look at the Russian government as pretty third world and unable to pull much of this off.
This wasn't even particularly sophisticated by hacking standards. To date, not a shred of evidence has been made publicly available that the Russian government had knowledge of or tacitly backed this run of the mill spearphishing campaign. A ton of hackers operate out of Russia, Ukraine, and assorted eastern bloc countries because cyber crime deterrence is basically non-existent. But that's a pretty thin reed to blame the Russian government for even an indirect connection to this.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2017, 09:59:27 AM
So when I hear the conjecture that Russia is behind this hacking I don't literally think there is a KGB hacking bureau who does this (though I am sure they have tried and I am equally as sure the CIA or someone in Virginia is working on this for us) I just assume it is some pretty sophisticated Russians with the knowledge and tacit backing of the USSR. I generally look at the Russian government as pretty third world and unable to pull much of this off.
This wasn't even particularly sophisticated by hacking standards. To date, not a shred of evidence has been made publicly available that the Russian government had knowledge of or tacitly backed this run of the mill spearphishing campaign. A ton of hackers operate out of Russia, Ukraine, and assorted eastern bloc countries because cyber crime deterrence is basically non-existent. But that's a pretty thin reed to blame the Russian government for even an indirect connection to this.
Don't you think it is more likely than not that the Russian Gov will have knowledge of those types who are doing this and give them some blessing? I mean, they aren't constrained by the Constitution so they monitor professional hackers. so if they are allowed to continue to attack American institutions (which could cause an international incident) doesn't it stand to reason that they do so with Russian permission. Guys who conduct hacks that the Russian government DOES NOT want to happen end up gone.
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2017, 10:24:32 AM
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Who was behind all of this? When I stumbled on it last fall, I had an idea. I was already investigating a shadowy organization in St. Petersburg, Russia, that spreads false information on the Internet. It has gone by a few names, but I will refer to it by its best known: the Internet Research Agency. The agency had become known for employing hundreds of Russians to post pro-Kremlin propaganda online under fake identities, including on Twitter, in order to create the illusion of a massive army of supporters; it has often been called a “troll farm.” The more I investigated this group, the more links I discovered between it and the hoaxes. In April, I went to St. Petersburg to learn more about the agency and its brand of information warfare, which it has aggressively deployed against political opponents at home, Russia’s perceived enemies abroad and, more recently, me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 10:26:13 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 03, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
Just sayin.
Also, we let hackers hack so we can hack the hackers.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 03, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
This is what happens when you have shitty security (or none at all) on your IT platform.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2017, 11:37:59 AM
I don't think you can take the position that the russian government is third world while simultaneously taking the position it has full knowledge and awareness of activities allegedly being conducted inrussia that are not illegal. Assuming the sophmoric "hacking operation" was conducted from russia, why would the government even be monitoring it?
Because they monitor everything.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 03, 2017, 11:38:25 AM
Guys, we hack the eff out of other people and countries as well.
Just sayin.
Also, we let hackers hack so we can hack the hackers.
water is wet
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/16/fbi-agrees-cia-russia-hacked-help-trump/95528318/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/16/fbi-agrees-cia-russia-hacked-help-trump/95528318/)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
So you guys filling all this under fake news?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/16/fbi-agrees-cia-russia-hacked-help-trump/95528318/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/16/fbi-agrees-cia-russia-hacked-help-trump/95528318/)
They're relying on the WaPo and the WaPo's unidentified unofficial sources, so obviously fake news
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 12:17:47 PM
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The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on Thursday released a joint report detailing how federal investigators linked the Russian government to hacks of Democratic Party organizations.
The document makes clear reference to the hacks of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, though it does not mention either by name.
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 12:18:41 PM
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This Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of
Hom
eland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document
provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and
military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and
endpoints
associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. G
overnment, political, and private
sector entities.
The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber
activity by RIS as
GRIZZLY STEPPE
Post by: Phil Titola on January 03, 2017, 12:28:43 PM
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 12:34:08 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 12:40:45 PM
No evidence released would ever been enough or believed....Evidence that could be released that would be convincing would be too complex for most to understand and considered spoofed by those who did understand it. It's dumb dumb to even demand evidence. People either believe the agencies and independent firms or not....Published evidence isn't changing anybody's mind.
There was a pretty strong contingent of congresstards who wanted electors (regular civilians) to receive security briefings. It was rough ridin' kookooo.
When people say evidence, they mean an official statement from an agency. Not cryptic crap from unnamed WaPo sources.
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 12:43:53 PM
No evidence released would ever been enough or believed....Evidence that could be released that would be convincing would be too complex for most to understand and considered spoofed by those who did understand it. It's dumb dumb to even demand evidence. People either believe the agencies and independent firms or not....Published evidence isn't changing anybody's mind.
There was a pretty strong contingent of congresstards who wanted electors (regular civilians) to receive security briefings. It was rough ridin' kookooo.
When people say evidence, they mean an official statement from an agency. Not cryptic crap from unnamed WaPo sources.
So you mean something like a report issued from the Dept of Homeland Security?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf (https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296A_GRIZZLY%20STEPPE-2016-1229.pdf)QuoteThis Joint Analysis Report (JAR) is the result of analytic efforts between the Department of
Hom
eland Security (DHS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). This document
provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and
military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and
endpoints
associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. G
overnment, political, and private
sector entities.
The U.S. Government is referring to this malicious cyber
activity by RIS as
GRIZZLY STEPPE
You should actually read the report you linked. It does not contain one shred of evidence that the Russian government perpetrated, directly or indirectly, this hack. They don't even know for sure that the hackers were Russian.
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 01:39:47 PM
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 01:42:47 PM
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The U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party
This damn report is so vague! :shakesfist:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 01:46:16 PM
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IS “GRIZZLY STEPPE” REALLY A RUSSIAN OPERATION?
I wrote here about the Obama administration’s underwhelming report, purporting to show that the malware that infected the Democratic National Committee’s email system was planted by Russia. The report is unimpressive in part because it consists mostly of pedestrian advice to IT professionals about computer security. This is the report’s description of the “Grizzly Steppe” malware:
Indicators of Compromise (IOCs)
IOCs associated with RIS cyber actors are provided within the accompanying .csv and .stix files of JAR-16-20296.
Yara Signature
rule PAS_TOOL_PHP_WEB_KIT
{
meta:
description = “PAS TOOL PHP WEB KIT FOUND” strings:
$php = “ 20KB and filesize < 22KB) and #cookie == 2 and #isset == 3 and all of them }
Does anything here provide persuasive evidence of Russian origin, let alone Russian government origin? I don’t know, but some with considerably more expertise are unimpressed. The linked analysis is long and technical, although more or less comprehensible to the untutored. The author’s conclusions:
Malware Conclusions
DHS and DNI have released a joint statement that says:
This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities. The report contains specific indicators of compromise, including IP addresses and a PHP malware sample.
The PHP malware sample they have provided appears to be P.A.S. version 3.1.0 which is commonly available and the website that claims to have authored it says they are Ukrainian. It is also several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources.
The author separately analyzes the IP addresses that the report finds probative:
Out of the 876 IP addresses that DHS provided, 134 or about 15% are Tor exit nodes, based on a reverse DNS lookup that we did on each IP address. These are anonymous gateways that are used by anyone using the Tor anonymous browsing service.
***
Conclusion regarding IP address data
What we’re seeing in this IP data is a wide range of countries and hosting providers. 15% of the IP addresses are Tor exit nodes. These exit nodes are used by anyone who wants to be anonymous online, including malicious actors.
And finally:
Overall Conclusion
The IP addresses that DHS provided may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don’t appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15% of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes.
The malware sample is old, widely used and appears to be Ukrainian. It has no apparent relationship with Russian intelligence and it would be an indicator of compromise for any website.
Normally I would accept at face value an assertion by the U.S. government that intelligence agencies have identified Russia (or anyone else) as the source of a computer hack or other action. But the Obama administration has been so chronically dishonest, and the Democrats’ hysteria over their electoral defeats is so intense, that I don’t think they can be accorded the usual presumption of accuracy and truthfulness.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 01:47:10 PM
How often do you get disclosed evidence from DHS? You have some contact the rest of us don't?
I'm asking you to identify one. single. piece of evidence in that report that indicates a connection to the Russian government. It simply isn't there. It's like reading a headline that says one thing, only to read the article and realize it doesn't support the headline.
Give these a read - reputable internet security professional that have examined the DHS report and found is laughably lacking in any actual evidence of Russian hacking, let alone Russian government hacking.
https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/01/election-hack-faq/ (https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/01/election-hack-faq/)
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the PHP malware sample that the US government provided is:
•An old version of malware. The sample was version 3.1.0 and the current version is 3.1.7 with 4.1.1 beta also available.
•Freely available to anyone who wants it.
•The authors claim they are Ukrainian, not Russian.
•The malware is an administrative tool used by hackers to upload files, view files on a hacked website, download database contents and so on. It is used as one step in a series of steps that would occur during an attack.
Wordfence also analyzed the IP addresses available and demonstrated that they are in 61 countries, belong to over 380 organizations and many of those organizations are well known website hosting providers from where many attacks originate. There is nothing in the IP data that points to Russia specifically.
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We received the DHS/FBI report on Thursday. Rob McMahon, one of my colleagues and a security analyst at Wordfence alerted me to it’s existence at 8pm pacific time on Thursday December 29th. We worked through the night until 7am the next morning when we released the report. Here is what we did:
We read the report and noticed there was a Yara signature for PHP malware. That means that FBI and DHS provided just enough information to identify the existence of PHP malware. It didn’t actually provide the malware itself.
We went into Polestar which is a Wordfence proprietary big-data platform that we have developed to aggregate and mine a large number of attacks from a range of sources. We used the Yara signature to try to determine if anyone has attacked a WordPress site using this malware. At this point we didn’t know what it was or if it was even used against WordPress.
Jackpot! We had captured the entire 20k malware sample!
We extracted the malware sample from Polestar and I handed it to Rob who started analysis on the sample. We divided the work and I went off and analyzed the IP addresses that DHS/FBI had provided in Grizzly Steppe.
Rob realized that most of the malware is encrypted. The way it works is that a hacker will upload it to a website. They access the malware as a web page and are prompted for a password by a small amount of unencrypted code in the malware. They enter the password which is actually a decryption key.
That decryption key is stored in a cookie so the hacker doesn’t have to keep entering it. The key then decrypts the malware code which is executed. Then every time the hacker accesses the malware in future, the key stored in a cookie decrypts the malware so that it can execute. It’s quite clever and makes our jobs harder.
We needed to find the decryption key for the malware. So we went back to Polestar and tried to find an attack where the attacker was trying to access the malware they had uploaded.
Jackpot again! We found the key. Rob used the key to decrypt the malware and view the source code. Once he could see the source code, he could see the name of the malware and the version and a few Google searches revealed the source website that it came from.
The rest was much easier. We could now take the malware sample and put it on a sandboxed research environment and actually run it and see what it did. We could also download the newer version of the malware, called ‘P.A.S.’, and execute that to see what it does and how it differs.
This is how we determined that the FBI/DHS report contains an old malware sample that is publicly available and the hacker group that distributes it appears to be Ukrainian.
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Perhaps a better title would have been: US Government report does not contain data attributing 2016 election hacks to Russia. The report includes outdated PHP malware that is publicly available and appears to originate from a Ukrainian hacker group. It also includes IP addresses with no clear link to Russia.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/ (http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/)
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Security consultant Jeffrey Carr also cast doubt on claims that attacks that hit the Democratic National Committee could only have originated from Russian-sponsored hackers because they relied on the same malware that also breached Germany's Bundestag and French TV network TV5Monde. Proponents of this theory, including the CrowdStrike researchers who analyzed the Democratic National Committee's hacked network, argue that the pattern strongly implicates Russia because no other actor would have the combined motivation and resources to hack the same targets. But as Carr pointed out, the full source code for the X-Agent implant that has long been associated with APT28 was independently obtained by researchers from antivirus provider Eset.
"If ESET could do it, so can others," Carr wrote. "It is both foolish and baseless to claim, as CrowdStrike does, that X-Agent is used solely by the Russian government when the source code is there for anyone to find and use at will."
The doubts raised by Lee, Graham, and Carr underscore the difficulty members of the US intelligence community face when taking findings out of the highly secretive channels they normally populate and putting them into the public domain. Indeed, the Joint Analysis Report makes no mention of the Democratic party or even the Democratic National Committee. The lack of specifics and vagueness about exactly how the DHS and FBI have determined Russian involvement in the hacks leaves the report sounding more like innuendo than a carefully crafted indictment.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
QuoteThe U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party
This damn report is so vague! :shakesfist:
I asked for a piece of evidence - not a baseless conclusion.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 03, 2017, 01:48:21 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2017, 01:58:00 PM
:rolleyes:
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 01:59:39 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 03, 2017, 02:05:52 PM
QuoteThe U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party
This damn report is so vague! :shakesfist:
I asked for a piece of evidence - not a baseless conclusion.
Dumb dumb request as already stated.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 04:47:48 PM
Besides, eff Russia. Since when do we need evidence for that? This is the kind of crap Russia generally does. And some of the coding was uniquely Russian in nature on account of their mumped up language/keyboards. That's enough. eff Russia.
I agree with the eff Russia part. But I think it is important that the Obama admin and its media surrogates - the same ones bitching about "fake news" - are claiming the Russians somehow influenced the election in Trump's favor, and that appears to be false or at least completely unsupported at this point.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 03, 2017, 04:49:25 PM
QuoteThe U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party
This damn report is so vague! :shakesfist:
I asked for a piece of evidence - not a baseless conclusion.
Dumb dumb request as already stated.
Evidence schmevidence. Saddam is building WMD. Because our intelligence community says so. It is known.
Post by: CNS on January 03, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing about Russia because of the election outcome. My concern is that if they did hack us, we need to do something about it for security reasons for both actual security concerns moving forward and for world perception issues.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 03, 2017, 09:37:07 PM
QuoteThe U.S. Government confirms that two different RIS actors participated in the intrusion into a U.S. political party
This damn report is so vague! :shakesfist:
I asked for a piece of evidence - not a baseless conclusion.
Dumb dumb request as already stated.
Evidence schmevidence. Saddam is building WMD. Because our intelligence community says so. It is known.
So like Trump you know something they don't?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 03, 2017, 11:39:03 PM
If you are advocating for a much less secretive govt, I am for it.
Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing about Russia because of the election outcome. My concern is that if they did hack us, we need to do something about it for security reasons for both actual security concerns moving forward and for world perception issues.
Trickfucking a couple a dipshit dnctards using one of the oldest internet fishing schemes isn't "hacking", nor is it something we should spend actual resources investigating or trying to prevent. The dnctards should just be shamed into oblivian.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 12:24:59 AM
Sad
Post by: puniraptor on January 04, 2017, 12:35:36 AM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 08:09:25 AM
I think the biggest take away from this is that Libs clearly cannot handle or manage technology.
Sad
I think you mean "cyber".....or maybe "computer"?
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 08:11:17 AM
If you are advocating for a much less secretive govt, I am for it.
Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing about Russia because of the election outcome. My concern is that if they did hack us, we need to do something about it for security reasons for both actual security concerns moving forward and for world perception issues.
Trickfucking a couple a dipshit dnctards using one of the oldest internet fishing schemes isn't "hacking", nor is it something we should spend actual resources investigating or trying to prevent. The dnctards should just be shamed into oblivian.
Or maybe there should be stronger regs about how govt, and related entities, conduct electronic comm? That would be moving forward .
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2017, 08:16:56 AM
If you are advocating for a much less secretive govt, I am for it.
Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing about Russia because of the election outcome. My concern is that if they did hack us, we need to do something about it for security reasons for both actual security concerns moving forward and for world perception issues.
Trickfucking a couple a dipshit dnctards using one of the oldest internet fishing schemes isn't "hacking", nor is it something we should spend actual resources investigating or trying to prevent. The dnctards should just be shamed into oblivian.
Or maybe there should be stronger regs about how govt, and related entities, conduct electronic comm? That would be moving forward .
We should start by just making all of their communications public. Then we could end there, too.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2017, 08:33:07 AM
If you are advocating for a much less secretive govt, I am for it.
Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing about Russia because of the election outcome. My concern is that if they did hack us, we need to do something about it for security reasons for both actual security concerns moving forward and for world perception issues.
Trickfucking a couple a dipshit dnctards using one of the oldest internet fishing schemes isn't "hacking", nor is it something we should spend actual resources investigating or trying to prevent. The dnctards should just be shamed into oblivian.
Or maybe there should be stronger regs about how govt, and related entities, conduct electronic comm? That would be moving forward .
Trump should do this, and put Hillary in charge of drafting the regs.
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 09:27:16 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
I think the biggest take away from this is that Libs clearly cannot handle or manage technology.
Sad
I think you mean "cyber".....or maybe "computer"?
Nope all technology. Can't secure servers, don't know how to block or handle phishing attempts, can't black malware or discover malware, clearly don't get password security, can't lock down networks . . . pretty much everything.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 12:16:16 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
This is part of what I am saying. Stronger regs and stronger punishment. Actually write the reg that specifically says that all electronic comm has to go through govt servers, make those servers much easier to use, make those servers as secure as possible. Treat ppl that act outside of those regs as you would anyone who violates hard copy confidentiality.
Do all this now, regardless of who hacked, if FSD thinks its hacking, or who got hacked.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 12:19:29 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
This is part of what I am saying. Stronger regs and stronger punishment. Actually write the reg that specifically says that all electronic comm has to go through govt servers, make those servers much easier to use, make those servers as secure as possible. Treat ppl that act outside of those regs as you would anyone who violates hard copy confidentiality.
Do all this now, regardless of who hacked, if FSD thinks its hacking, or who got hacked.
Pss, if you're a Joe Six Pack Federal Worker, you have to sign off every year saying you're going to follow all Fed IT Regs which pretty much include all the stuff you just mentioned and a lot more. Violations are up to termination and/or criminal prosecution. "Tough" Regs are already in place.
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
This is part of what I am saying. Stronger regs and stronger punishment. Actually write the reg that specifically says that all electronic comm has to go through govt servers, make those servers much easier to use, make those servers as secure as possible. Treat ppl that act outside of those regs as you would anyone who violates hard copy confidentiality.
Do all this now, regardless of who hacked, if FSD thinks its hacking, or who got hacked.
Pss, if you're a Joe Six Pack Federal Worker, you have to sign off every year saying you're going to follow all Fed IT Regs which pretty much include all the stuff you just mentioned and a lot more. Violations are up to termination and/or criminal prosecution. "Tough" Regs are already in place.
Make them less general. I mean, if the regs were what they need to be Hill wouldn't be where she is. I remember this specifically being addressed when her email hit the fan. Evidently the regs don't disallow what she did and there were past precedent. Resolve both of those issues right now. Also, and this is govt wide, breaking rules needs to actually be met with punishment, regardless of where the national attention span and/or entertainment interest lies(not holding my breath, I know).
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 12:23:47 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
You are responding to arguments that aren't occuring. We've all determined lots of dumbassery has occured by those people.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 04, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Luckily the new administration knows more than anybody on computers....Well his 10 year old son at least.
If you're following Federal Standards, you're a lot less likely to have issues. When you place an unsecured server in a shitter closet, or your password is "password", all bets are off.
This is part of what I am saying. Stronger regs and stronger punishment. Actually write the reg that specifically says that all electronic comm has to go through govt servers, make those servers much easier to use, make those servers as secure as possible. Treat ppl that act outside of those regs as you would anyone who violates hard copy confidentiality.
Do all this now, regardless of who hacked, if FSD thinks its hacking, or who got hacked.
Pss, if you're a Joe Six Pack Federal Worker, you have to sign off every year saying you're going to follow all Fed IT Regs which pretty much include all the stuff you just mentioned and a lot more. Violations are up to termination and/or criminal prosecution. "Tough" Regs are already in place.
That should apply to all...Not just Joe six pack. The top of organizations are the targets and usually the biggest offenders.
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Yeah, I know CNS is a useful idiot and all, but does he really not think the Fed's IT policy doesn't explain how to identify a fishing scheme created circa Netscape navigator?
I would be shocked if it did. Maybe you could find a review of it from an obscure website that ends with a politically partisan opinion so that we could review that and know the truth?
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 12:35:06 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 12:38:52 PM
What standards are you referring dax/FSD?
Federal IT regulations, which would have been applicable to Hillary as SOS.
The DNC is obviously different, but they clearly didn't even get IT Security 001, so, ya know.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
What standards are you referring dax/FSD?
Federal IT regulations, which would have been applicable to Hillary as SOS.
The DNC is obviously different, but they clearly didn't even get IT Security 001, so, ya know.
Just asking for the title to what you are referring....A link....Anything.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 12:47:36 PM
What standards are you referring dax/FSD?
Federal IT regulations, which would have been applicable to Hillary as SOS.
The DNC is obviously different, but they clearly didn't even get IT Security 001, so, ya know.
Just asking for the title to what you are referring....A link....Anything.
I'm just relaying the words of DaxBro, a Federal Employee, who just had to sign off on his annual IT review thingy right when all the Hillary stuff started to hit. He said he had to go through a little webinar, and then at the end they told you all the bad stuff that could happen to you if you don't adhere to the policies. Essentially-password security, approved devices, conduct government business outside of government secured networks etc. etc. etc.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 04, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
It's absurd to think the government needs "harsher regulations" to help prevent these types of security breaches. It's a personnel issue. Should someone seemingly so stupid that they could drown taking a sip from the drinking fountain really be employed by the Fed, let alone the baseline for appropriate regulations?
Of course this is all a sidebar from the phony "russian hacking interfered with our election" narrative that repeatedly been proven to be baseless conjecture conjured up to undermine a president who needs no assistance undermining himself.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2017, 12:53:58 PM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 01:01:00 PM
2. Most fed employees make less than they could at a similar position in the private sector
3. take #1 and #2 and try to require an adequate amount of common sense as a prerequisite for being hired, let alone technological common sense.
Figure out this issue and run for office. Please.
Post by: renocat on January 04, 2017, 01:05:02 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2531054/america-special-forces-russian-border-lithuania-obama-putin/
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 01:14:27 PM
I post this against my general rule of interacting with Reno, but because the title of this thread, too.
Some pubs need to figure out where they stand with russia. Are we friends and Hill is a moron, are we weak for not stomping them in Crimea and taking Syria like a Rambo movie, or are we strong in showing forces where they have moved forces?
I don't know exactly where you guys can land given Trump's love for Putin, the standard past Pub hatred of russia, the fact that Obama did nothing in Crimea, and now Obama is sending a show of strength, and support of neighbor countries, to russia's border.
Quite a pickle for you guys with a team jersey on.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2017, 01:34:46 PM
1. The Fed has to be one of the top 5 employers in the country
2. Most fed employees make less than they could at a similar position in the private sector
3. take #1 and #2 and try to require an adequate amount of common sense as a prerequisite for being hired, let alone technological common sense.
Figure out this issue and run for office. Please.
Fixing 1 and 2 will fix absolutely nothing if our president decides to put an idiot like Hillary Clinton in charge.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 04, 2017, 01:48:44 PM
Post by: SdK on January 04, 2017, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 01:55:27 PM
Has Trump released the super secret info that he has proving Russia wasn't involved yet?
Well, he has tweeted a few times that "Russia didn't do it" or something like that. He has also tweeted a few times mocking our intelligent agencies. That is proof enough for many.
Post by: SdK on January 04, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
The escalation has begun. Thanx.Obama. He moves special forces in Europe to Russian border.Total cuck move
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2531054/america-special-forces-russian-border-lithuania-obama-putin/
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 02:51:37 PM
Chum and Dugout absolutely kept dax, fsd, and ksu going on and on with simple common sense posts. It's sad to watch. Love the life you live. Never change. Rep your city. I'm only at page 3 on TT. I'm sure it gets better.
Fap material SK?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
It would be best to note ITT that Russia has been moving weapons and forces to its boarders as of a week or two ago.
I post this against my general rule of interacting with Reno, but because the title of this thread, too.
Some pubs need to figure out where they stand with russia. Are we friends and Hill is a moron, are we weak for not stomping them in Crimea and taking Syria like a Rambo movie, or are we strong in showing forces where they have moved forces?
I don't know exactly where you guys can land given Trump's love for Putin, the standard past Pub hatred of russia, the fact that Obama did nothing in Crimea, and now Obama is sending a show of strength, and support of neighbor countries, to russia's border.
Quite a pickle for you guys with a team jersey on.
Pss . . a little while back NATO conducted it's largest war games in years just across the border from Russia. NATO has been moving units forward for months. ProgLibs and related war hawks want a war so bad. Oh and remember, per the resident logic of several, only Russians will die if there is a war.
Post by: CNS on January 04, 2017, 03:02:49 PM
1. Nato isn't part of the US govt and Obama is the US president, not NATO president
2. Literally no one ITT has said they want to go to war
3. none of this even addresses the Trump/pub discrepancies in my post you quoted
Post by: ChiComCat on January 04, 2017, 03:11:24 PM
Has Trump released the super secret info that he has proving Russia wasn't involved yet?
Well, he has tweeted a few times that "Russia didn't do it" or something like that. He has also tweeted a few times mocking our intelligent agencies. That is proof enough for many.
Well he said he would do it today so it must be coming in the evening
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 04, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Dax, I love you, but where to start....
1. Nato isn't part of the US govt and Obama is the US president, not NATO president
2. Literally no one ITT has said they want to go to war
3. none of this even addresses the Trump/pub discrepancies in my post you quoted
Pss...the US is THE integral part in NATO.
Discrepancies?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2017, 10:22:13 PM
It would be best to note ITT that Russia has been moving weapons and forces to its boarders as of a week or two ago.
I post this against my general rule of interacting with Reno, but because the title of this thread, too.
Some pubs need to figure out where they stand with russia. Are we friends and Hill is a moron, are we weak for not stomping them in Crimea and taking Syria like a Rambo movie, or are we strong in showing forces where they have moved forces?
I don't know exactly where you guys can land given Trump's love for Putin, the standard past Pub hatred of russia, the fact that Obama did nothing in Crimea, and now Obama is sending a show of strength, and support of neighbor countries, to russia's border.
Quite a pickle for you guys with a team jersey on.
Pss . . a little while back NATO conducted it's largest war games in years just across the border from Russia. NATO has been moving units forward for months. ProgLibs and related war hawks want a war so bad. Oh and remember, per the resident logic of several, only Russians will die if there is a war.
You look dumb when you say anyone thinks this.
Post by: SdK on January 05, 2017, 03:06:18 AM
No. The demeanor of some posters seem so opposite to me. Some come across as rough ridin' livid and angry and others seem to be just doing NeoChum and Dugout absolutely kept dax, fsd, and ksu going on and on with simple common sense posts. It's sad to watch. Love the life you live. Never change. Rep your city. I'm only at page 3 on TT. I'm sure it gets better.
Fap material SK?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 05, 2017, 07:15:01 AM
No. The demeanor of some posters seem so opposite to me. Some come across as rough ridin' livid and angry and others seem to be just doing NeoChum and Dugout absolutely kept dax, fsd, and ksu going on and on with simple common sense posts. It's sad to watch. Love the life you live. Never change. Rep your city. I'm only at page 3 on TT. I'm sure it gets better.
Fap material SK?
Nothing more Neo than the New McCarthyites.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 05, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
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President Obama's decision to expel Russian diplomats for interfering with the U.S. election is starting to look like "Alice in Wonderland"-style justice: sentence first, verdict afterward. Even some liberals are starting to wonder if the evidence against Russia holds water.
Late last week, the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI issued a joint report that supposedly tied the Russian government into the release of hacked Democratic National Committee documents.
But it didn't provide any such evidence. Instead, it simply listed tools used to carry out the attack, and asserted that Russia must have been the ones who used them.
Then it devoted eight of the report's 13 pages to offering tips on how to prevent future cyberattacks.
The problem is that the code identified in the report is "an outdated malware developed by Ukrainians that can be downloaded online," according to the conservative news site the Daily Caller. In other words, anyone could have used it.
The story quotes WordFence CEO Mark Maunder as saying that "there is nothing in the IP data that points to Russia specifically."
Jeffrey Carr, writing for the liberal site The Intercept, also blasted the DHS/FBI report, saying that it "adds nothing to the call for evidence that the Russian government was responsible for hacking the DNC."
He goes on to say that "this entire assignment of blame against the Russian government is looking more and more like a domestic political operation run by the White House that relied heavily on questionable intelligence generated by a for-profit cybersecurity firm with a vested interest."
Liberal columnist Matt Taibbi writes that "nothing quite adds up" with the Russian hacking story and admits that, based on the little we know, it could just be "a cynical ass-covering campaign, by a Democratic Party that has seemed keen to deflect attention from its own electoral failures." Taibbi rightly complains that journalists are running with a story based on nothing more than the word of "secret assessments of intelligence agencies."
Added to these concerns is the fact that the mainstream press has been incredibly irresponsible in reporting on Russian actions during the election campaign. The Washington Post, for example, has all but retracted a bombshell story claiming that Russia conducted a sophisticated propaganda campaign to help Trump.
On Friday, the Post offered up another bombshell — that Russia had infiltrated the U.S. electricity grid using the same malware they'd used to hack into the DNC. The story generated a huge response, but it, too, turned out to be false.
A utility company in Vermont found the code on a laptop that wasn't in any way connected to the electric grid. Nor is there any evidence that Russia planted the malware on that particular laptop.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, stated emphatically over the weekend that Russian hackers were not the source of the DNC documents that his group posted in the run-up to the election.
"We have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party," Assange told Fox News' Sean Hannity.
The bottom line is that we still don't know precisely what happened or why with the DNC hack. All we do know is that Democrats — from President Obama on down — have an obvious vested interest in blaming Russia, even if there's little actual evidence to support those accusations.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-russian-election-hacking-case-is-getting-murkier/ (http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-russian-election-hacking-case-is-getting-murkier/)
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 05, 2017, 10:13:53 AM
Post by: CNS on January 05, 2017, 03:28:22 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 05, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
It's pasted all over this thread. #lawl
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
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Early next week, the public will get its fullest information to date on the evidence the agencies have to support their contention that Mr. Putin’s government used the hacked emails to hurt Hillary Clinton’s campaign and help Mr. Trump’s. Mr. Clapper said he would “push the envelope” to include as much detail as possible in the unclassified version of the intelligence agencies’ report on the Russian operation.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/taking-aim-at-trump-leaders-strongly-affirm-findings-on-russian-hacking.html
Post by: CNS on January 05, 2017, 09:05:22 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 05, 2017, 09:08:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 05, 2017, 09:25:20 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 05, 2017, 09:59:33 PM
So in other words, they might actually publish some evidence of hacking by the Russian government? Well ok then. I hope they do have something - otherwise this is going to be another black eye for US Intel.
Lol evidence being released that Joe 6 pack would understand to uncover hacking.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 05, 2017, 10:00:15 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/8fcc73cd1be7?client=ms-android-verizon
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 05, 2017, 10:35:29 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 06, 2017, 03:06:57 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2017, 06:27:51 AM
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2017, 07:29:58 AM
Frank Martin was so ahead of his time.
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2017, 07:44:22 AM
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Retired General Michael T. Flynn, President-elect Trump’s national security adviser-designate, was DIA director until he was sacked by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. following a dispute with then-Undersecretary for Defense for Intelligence Michael G. Vickers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/06/mattis-clashing-with-trump-transition-team-over-pentagon-staffing
Post by: 8manpick on January 06, 2017, 08:08:40 AM
Trump's source is that wacko fake news (as in completely fabricated) retweeting Flynn:This seems good. Mattis is the most reasonable and intellectual Trump appointee.QuoteRetired General Michael T. Flynn, President-elect Trump’s national security adviser-designate, was DIA director until he was sacked by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. following a dispute with then-Undersecretary for Defense for Intelligence Michael G. Vickers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/06/mattis-clashing-with-trump-transition-team-over-pentagon-staffing
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 10:40:25 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 06, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
If you're trying to avoid having Dems look worse then they already do, consistently challenge the track record of the same individuals, obfuscate and re-direct.
#liblogic
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2017, 11:37:12 AM
Trying to make a 'Pub look bad: Go to central casting and roll out the same band of liars, and then repeatedly hammer home that their "findings" and "facts" are irrefutable, regardless of historical precedence and the track record of these individuals in matters of a similar nature.
If you're trying to avoid having Dems look worse then they already do, consistently challenge the track record of the same individuals, obfuscate and re-direct.
#liblogic
Are you talking about John McCain's (R) hearing in which Lindsey Graham (R) said that where Obama threw a pebble, he wanted throw a rock?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 06, 2017, 11:40:37 AM
Trying to make a 'Pub look bad: Go to central casting and roll out the same band of liars, and then repeatedly hammer home that their "findings" and "facts" are irrefutable, regardless of historical precedence and the track record of these individuals in matters of a similar nature.
If you're trying to avoid having Dems look worse then they already do, consistently challenge the track record of the same individuals, obfuscate and re-direct.
#liblogic
Are you talking about John McCain's (R) hearing in which Lindsey Graham (R) said that where Obama threw a pebble, he wanted throw a rock?
You're looking in the wrong place if you think I'm going to defend either one of those guys. Along with the New (old) War Hawks on the left aka the New McCarthyites, McCain is gunning for war(s) for some weird and evil reason.
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
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"While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election, including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines," he said in a statement after the meeting.
Trump insisted that hacking did not impact the outcome of the election, which is not a claim the Intelligence Community has ever made.
...
Trump also said he will appoint a team within 90 days to figure out ways to stop foreign hacking.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/trump-russia-intelligence-briefing/index.html
Post by: Phil Titola on January 06, 2017, 02:42:53 PM
I imagine him sitting in that meeting realizing he is completely unprepared to interrupt much less question the info they have and just wishing he could get back to tweeting about apprentice ratings.
Post by: ChiComCat on January 06, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
DipshitQuote"While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election, including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines," he said in a statement after the meeting.
Trump insisted that hacking did not impact the outcome of the election, which is not a claim the Intelligence Community has ever made.
...
Trump also said he will appoint a team within 90 days to figure out ways to stop foreign hacking.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/trump-russia-intelligence-briefing/index.html
This seems more reasonable than before. I wouldn't expect any politician to say they needed Russia's help
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 03:42:47 PM
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Trump insisted that hacking did not impact the outcome of the election, which is not a claim the Intelligence Community has ever made.Somebody get useful idiot CNS in here on this
Post by: chum1 on January 06, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 06, 2017, 04:44:37 PM
Here's the public report.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Pretty underwhelming. Mostly just a propaganda campaign targeting Hillary supporters. The most damning thing was the comment that Podesta's emails were not altered, which were the most effective campaign killer.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2017, 07:23:12 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
At this point, it's almost certain not even somebody operating out of Europe trickfucked the dnctards into giving out their passwords.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
Very bizarre report. It's like Putin tried to do this and that and he was 100% succesful. If Putin didn't publish this himself, he'll almost certainly see it widely distributed throughout russia.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2017, 08:38:06 PM
What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
Maybe some actual evidence. I mean, I understand the agencies have to be careful about what they declassify - but there's nothing here but naked conclusions. Most of this report is devoted to Russian propaganda efforts, and about half the report (Annex A) is just old info republished from several years ago.
This appears to be the extent of the detail provided on the hacking:
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The General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) probably began cyber operations aimed at the US election by March 2016. We assess that the GRU operations resulted in the compromise of the personal e-mail accounts of Democratic Party officials and political figures. By May, the GRU had exfiltrated large volumes of data from the DNC.
Public Disclosures of Russian-Collected Data.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.
Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity throughout the election. Press reporting suggests more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists.
? Content that we assess was taken from e-mail accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016 appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks. Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self- proclaimed reputation for authenticity. Disclosures through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.
Look, I'm not a computer forensic cyber security guy, but this report reads like political bullshit with a healthy dose of ass covering. i mean the first report at least contained one piece of actual evidence - it just didn't really point to the Russian government. So then promise "wait till you see the next report" and this is it?!
Honestly, I think the best indicator will be how Trump responds. He got the classified briefing which supposedly has the actual evidence. He knows that if they actually have evidence, and he denies it, they'll leak it to the press. So if he continues to slam the intelligence as bullshit, that's an indicator that it is. If he clams up or tries to change the focus, they may very well some proof.
Post by: steve dave on January 06, 2017, 08:45:12 PM
rednecks: I don't know, I need more proof guys. just doesn't add up to me.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 06, 2017, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2017, 08:49:07 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 06, 2017, 08:49:51 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 06, 2017, 08:51:24 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 06, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
I think Russia probably did it, but it was allowed through stupidity and could have been done by any country or 14 year old. It was allowed to be effective by stupid people and lax cyber security.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 06, 2017, 09:00:00 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Congrats russia, you sought to and successfully manipulated our election, and here's our half-assed report acklowledging you cuck'd us. - "top intelligence people"
gmafb
Post by: wetwillie on January 06, 2017, 09:50:29 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Fun times.
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2017, 10:12:47 PM
Why is half the report dedicated to some Internet channel called RT?
Russian Times, dumbass.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 06, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 10:28:14 PM
Wrong and doesn't answer the questio, useful idiot and libtard.
Apparently Ed Schultz has a program on RT :lol:
Post by: CNS on January 06, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 06, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
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But it also shined a light on what it characterized as Russia’s bigger propaganda efforts, especially RT, formerly known as Russia Today.
Post by: renocat on January 06, 2017, 10:55:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 06, 2017, 10:57:53 PM
Post by: sys on January 06, 2017, 11:09:44 PM
Hey you guys remember that debate where Romney said Russia was our #1 geopolitical rival and Obama was all like "the 1980s called and wants its foreign policy back".
the american people have spoken, not once, but twice. all hail mother russia.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:13:05 AM
The country's top intelligence people: "here's what we're sure happened - we can't give you any proof but we're totally confident."Are you serious? Who the eff are you that they need to win you over?
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:14:10 AM
That shuts everyone up that said this was some high powered assault...What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
I think Russia probably did it, but it was allowed through stupidity and could have been done by any country or 14 year old. It was allowed to be effective by stupid people and lax cyber security.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:15:35 AM
This ought to bring Comey back in the dnctards favor, and I can say that with a high degree of probability.Since I know who you are in real life how much of a cuck your wife has let you become, it's cute that you toss that insult around.
Congrats russia, you sought to and successfully manipulated our election, and here's our half-assed report acklowledging you cuck'd us. - "top intelligence people"
gmafb
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:16:00 AM
It sounds like most everyone agrees it was Russia except maybe ksu who wants trump to be the canary in the coal mine I guess.Leave my good friend out of this!
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:17:58 AM
Hey you guys remember that debate where Romney said Russia was our #1 geopolitical rival and Obama was all like "the 1980s called and wants its foreign policy back" and the media was all like "ZOMG Obama totally pnwed him I love love love Obama so much!"Because its been reported this was a high level hacking effort, not just tossing out bank lines and catching idiots.
Fun times.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 05:19:59 AM
I hope the fishing/phishing lingo wasn't lost on anyone.Hey you guys remember that debate where Romney said Russia was our #1 geopolitical rival and Obama was all like "the 1980s called and wants its foreign policy back" and the media was all like "ZOMG Obama totally pnwed him I love love love Obama so much!"Because its been reported this was a high level hacking effort, not just tossing out bank lines and catching idiots.
Fun times.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 06:52:46 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 07:06:00 AM
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Whether Sen. John McCain and Democrats on the Senate Armed Services Committee intended for Thursday’s Russian hack hearings to be used to undermine the U.S. presidential election, one thing is for sure: The hearings WILL be used to undermine the election — precisely as the Russians wanted.
This, according to top U.S. intelligence officials who say they are certain Russians hacked into the Democratic National Committee emails on orders from the highest levels and did so in hopes of undermining our elections.
But they won’t tell us how they know. Just trust them.
OK, if true, all of this certainly should enrage every American. Russia and anybody else committing cyberwar on the United States should be punished with massive retaliatory force.
But it is worth noting two things.
First, whoever hacked into the DNC is not responsible for all the lies, corruption, political rigging and mendacity exposed by the hacked emails. Only Hillary Clinton and her cabal of apparatchiks in the Democratic Party can be blamed for those things.
Second, it is abundantly clear that the United States has been under cyberattack by not only Russia but also China, Iran and many other enemies for years. Whatever efforts President Obama and his national security team have taken to thwart these damaging intrusions are obviously not working.
This should be a stunning black mark on Mr. Obama’s presidency.
Also, some blame for the hack must be laid at the feet of the DNC and Democratic officials such as Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta for their wanton disregard for securing their own email system.
NOTE TO MR. PODESTA: Using “P@ssw0rd” for your password is not really a password. It is more like a “welcome” sign.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 07:13:47 AM
SDK is kind of a jerk.Don't talk crap, won't be no crap.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 07:16:08 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2017, 07:51:16 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2017, 08:02:11 AM
Honestly, I think the best indicator will be how Trump responds. He got the classified briefing which supposedly has the actual evidence. He knows that if they actually have evidence, and he denies it, they'll leak it to the press. So if he continues to slam the intelligence as bullshit, that's an indicator that it is. If he clams up or tries to change the focus, they may very well some proof.
As I said, here is the best evidence the Russian gov hacked he DNC, from the Don himself, who actually saw the classified evidence (and can't really deny it without it blowing up in his face):
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I had a constructive meeting and conversation with the leaders of the Intelligence Community this afternoon. I have tremendous respect for the work and service done by the men and women of this community to our great nation.
While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines. There were attempts to hack the Republican National Committee, but the RNC had strong hacking defenses and the hackers were unsuccessful.
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 08:03:19 AM
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2017, 08:11:59 AM
Serious question, Did they ever disclose the content of the email Podesta fell for?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 08:58:12 AM
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2017, 08:59:34 AM
Serious question, Did they ever disclose the content of the email Podesta fell for?
It's amazing the level of dumbasses that still click on phishing....We do regular tests and still get like 40% of people to click.
:blindfold:QuoteWhen the phishing email first arrived, Podesta referred it to a number of aides. An aide named Charles Delavan replied, “This is a legitimate email. John needs to change his password immediately.” But according to the Times report, that email was a simple flub — at least according to the aide in question. Delavan says he knew the email was a fraud, based on similar phishing attempts that had been spotted and blocked. He had meant to write “illegitimate email,” and simply mistyped. On that recommendation, the email was opened and the account was compromised
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/13/13940514/dnc-email-hack-typo-john-podesta-clinton-russia
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2017, 09:12:22 AM
It's good to see the New McCarthyites channeling their inner General LeMay.
Oh hey, we'd win a war with Russia and nobody on our side would get killed, only Russians (and thousands of innocents).
'merica!!
The Clinton hawk wing of the Democratic Party are ghouls. Any thoughts on Nixon/Kissinger scuttling the Paris peace talks? Or is that all still LBJ's fault?
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2017, 09:51:56 AM
Russian officials partying because the candidate they think is a world class weakling isn't getting enough discussion.
Are you referring to Obama 2008?
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
If a basis of the report is content from RT, a channel virtually nobody in the u.s. watches, then the report is pretty silly.
Dax and the other Alex Jones acolytes love RT
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Post by: michigancat on January 07, 2017, 09:55:35 AM
I agree with this for the most part. I don't trust our intelligence services at all.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 10:14:02 AM
Russian officials partying because the candidate they think is a world class weakling isn't getting enough discussion.
Are you referring to Obama 2008?
You must be really old
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 10:15:50 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:01:52 AM
Weak sauce, but look at the New McCarthyites lapping it all up as absolute truth. The same people who were out protesting against government lies a few years back now suckle at the government disinformation teat.
Pathetic and sad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:03:58 AM
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 11:09:18 AM
If you guys think that there has been no attempt to effect our elections, what is the motivation for such stories?
I mean, you realize this is half the discussion about them effecting the election, right? When fake news is discussed, this is a big part of the discussion.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:12:06 AM
WL - completely affirmed and legitimized now, in the post election meltdown.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
Have you guys ever read RT? Couple weeks before the election, they ran a story that our real unemployment rate was 41% and that there has not been any recovery.
If you guys think that there has been no attempt to effect our elections, what is the motivation for such stories?
I mean, you realize this is half the discussion about them effecting the election, right? When fake news is discussed, this is a big part of the discussion.
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Lol, now blaming RT for the election results? Russia rough ridin' Today? #tears
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 11:16:29 AM
It's ok to recognize propaganda as a problem. It's ok to allow that propaganda can sway opinion.
Also, in this glorious pit you are basically a hyperbole machine. Input anything and output is something lacking all reason, nuance, or reality.
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 11:17:36 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:24:02 AM
It's part of it. The reason I know of it is because it was shared a bagillion times on FB by some of the pubs I know, and with comment about how this is what libs lead to.
It's ok to recognize propaganda as a problem. It's ok to allow that propaganda can sway opinion.
Also, in this glorious pit you are basically a hyperbole machine. Input anything and output is something lacking all reason, nuance, or reality.
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Facebook shares of RT articles swayed the election?
Stop it CNS, I can't breath #doubletears
I never said propaganda wasn't a problem, like for example CNN and others completely hammering home a false narrative about the election outcome based on utterly ineffective and antiquated polling methodologies.
But reread what you're posting and think about how whackadoddle it sounds.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:34:52 AM
Dax, think avg American. Are more of them logging into CNN or Facebook?
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Your going to continue to roll with that?
Not people signed up, but how many people actually use FB as their sole source of news and form all views of the world based on what they see on FB, and specifically things like RT? I know in the post election ProgLib New McCarthyite Meltdown you want to think that number is in the millions but in reality it's likely numbers in the the thousands (as in not even six figures) . . . at most.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:37:27 AM
It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
Readily subscribe? You've lost, but funny meltdown none-the-less.
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 11:38:34 AM
Anecdotally, I know far more ppl that read headline summaries only, on social media, and that is their source of news. Tons.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
I heard an interview about cable news during the primaries. It centered around why parties don't try to do something to address a lot of the inflammatory bullshit on MSNBC or fox news. The person (some past political aide) said that cable news is such a small percentage of where voters actually get their news that it only attracts those looking for confirmation, not information.
Anecdotally, I know far more ppl that read headline summaries only, on social media, and that is their source of news. Tons.
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You're giving social media way too much credit and instantly concluding that reading a news "headline" on social is the absolutely foundation of millions of people's world view.
When in reality, the number of people who base their entire world view on news headlines posted on social media likely doesn't even hit six figures.
You're insane with this tact. But this the melt down to end all meltdowns.
Post by: The Big Train on January 07, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
What's weird is they vote for Trump and don't even care that what he says he won't come close to do or has any knowledge of what he is talking about but they demand some sort of concrete evidence of out of the intelligence guys in a topic 90% of the population would have no idea what that evidence says if it was put right in front of them.
Hard for me to reconcile those two things....But that's how populism works I guess.
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Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 11:51:58 AM
Can you even imagine how much blood they would demand if trump came out and said that the cyber shows evidence of hacking?What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
What's weird is they vote for Trump and don't even care that what he says he won't come close to do or has any knowledge of what he is talking about but they demand some sort of concrete evidence of out of the intelligence guys in a topic 90% of the population would have no idea what that evidence says if it was put right in front of them.
Hard for me to reconcile those two things....But that's how populism works I guess.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
The same age group that complains about how much younger ppl are always on their phones don't understand what those on their phones are looking at on their phones.
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So now you're saying that "younger people" are reading RT headlines on their phones, and running and replacing their "Feel The Bern" stickers with Trump -Pence stickers?
You're in the midst of a total meltdown, friend
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
It's not surprising Dax, who is in his late 60's, doesn't know how much social media actually influences the world
Not in my late 60's and engaged in dealing with cyber security in the K-12 and higher ed market. I'll let you figure out who uses those platforms and what content causes the greatest security and utilization challenges.
But the theme here is RT and similar on social media forming the entire world view of MILLIONS of people. Social media news, which according to some on here is the exclusive domain of "young people". So using that logic and the meltdown logic. Millions of young voters abandoned Hillary (and Bernie) for Trump because RT and similar news headlines on social media.
Hilarious
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
Have you guys ever read RT? Couple weeks before the election, they ran a story that our real unemployment rate was 41% and that there has not been any recovery.
If you guys think that there has been no attempt to effect our elections, what is the motivation for such stories?
I mean, you realize this is half the discussion about them effecting the election, right? When fake news is discussed, this is a big part of the discussion.
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I had never heard of it until that report, which makes sense because it's basically russian pbs and only available to me if I were to search for it on youtube.
I can't believe Ed Schultz has a show on that channel, but he's a known commie, so not surprised.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 12:17:09 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 12:26:21 PM
If these people weren't so incompetent, stupid and crazy to the point of losing credibility this would actually be quite horrifying. It's still rather unsettling that the libtards are virulently and openly attempting to suppress free speech.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Here's hoping Trump suspends the writ of habeas and locks these treasonous ass holes up. JK
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
I thought we were going to get proof that the Russians hacked us.
#shrug
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call it a conspiracy, more like a misinformation campaign to rile up useful idiots like cns.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 12:39:51 PM
Goebbels would have cried tears of joy.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2017, 12:41:12 PM
The report reads like textbook examples of rudimentary propaganda tactics.
I thought we were going to get proof that the Russians hacked us.
#shrug
Lol...Quite a coup to get all these intelligence agencies to say the same thing...Yet demand no proof that twitter president has any evidence behind any of his tweets or statements.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 12:43:35 PM
And we're supposed to be concerned with a "hacking" campaign that resulted in those email being published because it undermines our democracy? LOFL
This is rough ridin' psychotic.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
The report reads like textbook examples of rudimentary propaganda tactics.
I thought we were going to get proof that the Russians hacked us.
#shrug
Lol...Quite a couple to get all these intelligence agencies to say the same thing...Yet demand no proof that twitter president has any evidence behind any of his tweets or statements.
So a few thousand people at most who are Trump supporters who take his Tweets seriously (but millions of ProgLibs act like he's chiseling known facts of life itself into stone) and that's exactly the same as a report from the government which vaguely implies that another country may have, on some levels, committed an act of war against the United States . . . Are on the same level?
You're out of your rough ridin' mind with rage.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
Lol & ProgLib Whackadoodle Nation
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 01:04:06 PM
The hacked emails revealed that the DNC fixed the primaries in order to hand Hillary the Democratic nomination yet it's the hacking which is undermining our nation.
Lol & ProgLib Whackadoodle Nation
I would like to have everyone who thinks the Russian hack undermines our nation tell me why you think that it.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 01:04:51 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 01:06:39 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 01:11:59 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 01:12:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:14:06 PM
the resident trumpinista's meltdown following the release of this report is all i need to know about the validity of the report.
Mocking is not melting.
You just recently came off white phosphorous level.
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 01:18:26 PM
You labeling anyone as useful idiot is very lol'y given your staunch defense and unwillingness to think.It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call it a conspiracy, more like a misinformation campaign to rile up useful idiots like cns.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:20:04 PM
Is the motivation for denying this caused by the insult that Russia determined hill is more formidable than trump?
Is the motivation for this is as Jill Stein said an attempt to avoid the eventual horrific and catastrophic war that Hillary (and McCain and the new/old left war hawks) would have gin'd up with Russia? The war that the New McCarthyite's apparently desperately want (while they ignore the destruction of the democratic process by the DNC)?
#greatquestion
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
You labeling anyone as useful idiot is very lol'y given your staunch defense and unwillingness to think.It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call it a conspiracy, more like a misinformation campaign to rile up useful idiots like cns.
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But let's not mention the total insanity and whackadoodle logic that you've managed to emote forth on this blog today.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:31:18 PM
#anothergreatquestion
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
Did you see that article a while back that valued the ad money from fake news on FB at like $10B/yr? Yep, I am totally off base.
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That has nothing to do with your insane taking points and time and time again estimates of online ad and related revenue are often shown to be dramatically overstated. No charge for the latter.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:34:50 PM
Has anyone actually said we should start a war (other than McCain and Graham)?
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There's talk and then there's action. If you haven't followed what we've actually been doing then you're a bigger dumbass then I thought.
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 01:36:48 PM
Ad rev is 100% tied to quantity of impressions it targets. Come on, Dax. You're better than that. Also, to reiterate an earlier point that I have already mentioned twice but you still ignore, it's not the entirety of the problem, but a part.Did you see that article a while back that valued the ad money from fake news on FB at like $10B/yr? Yep, I am totally off base.
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That has nothing to do with your insane taking points and time and time again estimates of online ad and related revenue are often shown to be dramatically overstated. No charge for the latter.
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Post by: The Big Train on January 07, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:45:17 PM
Ad rev is 100% tied to quantity of impressions it targets. Come on, Dax. You're better than that. Also, to reiterate an earlier point that I have already mentioned twice but you still ignore, it's not the entirety of the problem, but a part.Did you see that article a while back that valued the ad money from fake news on FB at like $10B/yr? Yep, I am totally off base.
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That has nothing to do with your insane taking points and time and time again estimates of online ad and related revenue are often shown to be dramatically overstated. No charge for the latter.
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Entities engaged in that industry use estimates (valuations)to draw investors and when they're on the fringes, they over state the estimates because of the regulatory risk.
You've also implied it was just old Trump supporters who are influenced by fake online news (by the millions, which is laughable) and then said it was young people (who are predominantly Democrats/left politically) who get their news exclusively from social media.
Your all over the rough ridin' map.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 01:51:17 PM
You labeling anyone as useful idiot is very lol'y given your staunch defense and unwillingness to think.It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call it a conspiracy, more like a misinformation campaign to rile up useful idiots like cns.
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Oooohhhh, bern :lol:
This from the guy who starts every dim-witted post with "I heard" or "I read".
What a dipshit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
Weekend did I say old ppl are the fake news ppl?
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Implied
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Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
L.Weekend did I say old ppl are the fake news ppl?
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Implied
O.
L.
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Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Yep, reading and listening to informative programming is the obvious sign of a dumbass. Nailed me again, dipshit.You labeling anyone as useful idiot is very lol'y given your staunch defense and unwillingness to think.It's been fun watching people who normally readily subscribe to conspiracy theories attempt to discredit this as one.
I'm not sure I'm ready to call it a conspiracy, more like a misinformation campaign to rile up useful idiots like cns.
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Oooohhhh, bern
This from the guy who starts every dim-witted post with "I heard" or "I read".
What a dipshit
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 01:55:32 PM
Has anyone actually said we should start a war (other than McCain and Graham)?
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There's talk and then there's action. If you haven't followed what we've actually been doing then you're a bigger dumbass then I thought.
Oh, don't sell him short, he's a tremendous dumbass
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 02:01:21 PM
L.Weekend did I say old ppl are the fake news ppl?
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Implied
O.
L.
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So you're saying that young people (who are predominantly left politically) were exclusively influenced to vote Trump (by the millions) by headlines from RT and similar that they saw on social media? BTW, that last part is what you said; millions voted for Trump because of fake news headlines on social media (specifically from RT).
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 02:01:58 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 02:02:47 PM
I have been engaged with you two for a while. guilty, I guess.
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I enjoy talking to crazy people, like you.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
Didn't the Podesta emails reveal that the dnc engaged in efforts to promote trump as a legitimate and viable candidate? Yes. Did those email show collaboration between camp hilltard and the cnn, the nyt and other so-called legitimate news sources? Yes.
And we're supposed to be concerned with a "hacking" campaign that resulted in those email being published because it undermines our democracy? LOFL
This is rough ridin' psychotic.
This pretty well sums it up. It may seem crazy, but this is exactly what the Democrats needed for their base. The election must be deligitimized. In 2000 it was Bush Stole The Election. In 2016 it is The Russians Hacked the Election.
Meanwhile conservatives can sit back and just soak it all in, enjoying the rank hypocrisy and irony layered upon irony. Here's my running list:
- Dems super butthurt thinking that Russian propaganda surpassed their own media's propaganda
- The Dems accused their opponents of McCarthyism for decades, until November 2016. Now they suddenly seeing Russians under every bed.
- Dems super butthurt about a foreign power rigging an election, while simultaneously trying to rig other nations' elections, including allies.
- Dems super butthurt that the Russians plotted to help Trump win - which is exactly what the Dems did during the GOP primary.
- Dems crowing that the Russians preferred Trump - just like they preferred Obama in 2008 and 2012.
- Dems super angry that the hacking exposed their true contempt for Americans and for democratic elections, including the DNC primary.
- Hillary's campaign manager falling for a spearphishing email that is designed to snare naive grandparents.
- The party that swore up and down that Hillary running top secret info through a private email server in a bathroom closet are suddenly super worried about cyber security.
- The party that screamed about intelligence failures with Iraq WMD is totally willing to accept current conclusions at face value.
- At the time the hacking occurred the DNC refused to assist the FBI in investigating but now wants a blue ribbon commission.
- The Dems did NOTHING when China hacked the White House and the OPM, but now we've gotta get serious!!!
I'm probably leaving a few out.
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Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 02:10:13 PM
CNS is completely and utterly incapable of comprehending what he's reading, whether it's what "he read" online, "heard" on a podcast or when engaging in discourse on this bbs. This entire medium of communication is unimaginably above his head. It's hard to believe, and I can't understand how someone so routinely clownsuited, trolled and set aside would feel emboldened to challenge anyone else, let alone a goliath like sugar dick.You are your own hero. That's pretty adorable.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 02:11:20 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
Post by: CNS on January 07, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 02:15:19 PM
Didn't the Podesta emails reveal that the dnc engaged in efforts to promote trump as a legitimate and viable candidate? Yes. Did those email show collaboration between camp hilltard and the cnn, the nyt and other so-called legitimate news sources? Yes.
And we're supposed to be concerned with a "hacking" campaign that resulted in those email being published because it undermines our democracy? LOFL
This is rough ridin' psychotic.
This pretty well sums it up. It may seem crazy, but this is exactly what the Democrats needed for their base. The election must be deligitimized. In 2000 it was Bush Stole The Election. In 2016 it is The Russians Hacked the Election.
Meanwhile conservatives can sit back and just soak it all in, enjoying the rank hypocrisy and irony layered upon irony. Here's my running list:
- Dems super butthurt thinking that Russian propaganda surpassed their own media's propaganda
- The Dems accused their opponents of McCarthyism for decades, until November 2016. Now they suddenly seeing Russians under every bed.
- Dems super butthurt about a foreign power rigging an election, while simultaneously trying to rig other nations' elections, including allies.
- Dems super butthurt that the Russians plotted to help Trump win - which is exactly what the Dems did during the GOP primary.
- Dems crowing that the Russians preferred Trump - just like they preferred Obama in 2008 and 2012.
- Dems super angry that the hacking exposed their true contempt for Americans and for democratic elections, including the DNC primary.
- Hillary's campaign manager falling for a spearphishing email that is designed to snare naive grandparents.
- The party that swore up and down that Hillary running top secret info through a private email server in a bathroom closet are suddenly super worried about cyber security.
- The party that screamed about intelligence failures with Iraq WMD is totally willing to accept current conclusions at face value.
- At the time the hacking occurred the DNC refused to assist the FBI in investigating but now wants a blue ribbon commission.
- The Dems did NOTHING when China hacked the White House and the OPM, but now we've gotta get serious!!!
I'm probably leaving a few out.
Amazing
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 02:17:37 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 07, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
Is the motivation for denying this caused by the insult that Russia determined hill is more formidable than trump?
Is the motivation for this is as Jill Stein said an attempt to avoid the eventual horrific and catastrophic war that Hillary (and McCain and the new/old left war hawks) would have gin'd up with Russia? The war that the New McCarthyite's apparently desperately want (while they ignore the destruction of the democratic process by the DNC)?
#greatquestion
So yes.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 03:53:56 PM
Is the motivation for denying this caused by the insult that Russia determined hill is more formidable than trump?
Is the motivation for this is as Jill Stein said an attempt to avoid the eventual horrific and catastrophic war that Hillary (and McCain and the new/old left war hawks) would have gin'd up with Russia? The war that the New McCarthyite's apparently desperately want (while they ignore the destruction of the democratic process by the DNC)?
#greatquestion
So yes.
So Jill was right, good for her.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
cRusty, first off, isn't Russian and American more of citizenship/country of origin question?
What was the general tone and attitude of McCarthyites towards the Soviet Union (Russia)?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:01:59 PM
Nothing makes me feel better than sleeping, waking, and no replies. Don't come at me.
It's hard to respond to gibberish.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 04:04:07 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 04:08:20 PM
Sadly it's not hard for me to read and not remember.Nothing makes me feel better than sleeping, waking, and no replies. Don't come at me.
It's hard to respond to gibberish.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:11:12 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
So, as a War Hawk, you were hoping for war with Russia, and now you're disappointed? Missed opportunity to kill a lot of people and prove a $650 billion dollar a year War Machine was better then those damn Russians? What exactly are they going to "beat" Trump at? I mean, you want war over rough ridin' Crimea or some lame bullshit like that?
Weird (and hypocritical on the part of the United States).
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
So, as a War Hawk, you were hoping for war with Russia, and now you're disappointed? Missed opportunity to kill a lot of people and prove a $650 billion dollar a year War Machine was better then those damn Russians? What exactly are they going to "beat" Trump at? I mean, you want war over rough ridin' Crimea or some lame bullshit like that?
Weird (and hypocritical on the part of the United States).
I am not the one who picked Trump to shoot the free throws. Ask them what they saw in him that made them decide he was a weakling.
Post by: michigancat on January 07, 2017, 04:16:36 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
cRusty, first off, isn't Russian and American more of citizenship/country of origin question?
What was the general tone and attitude of McCarthyites towards the Soviet Union (Russia)?
jeez, that's quite a leap, don't you think?
Post by: renocat on January 07, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-only-‘fools’-see-good-relationship-with-russia-as-bad/ar-BBxZ77n
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:19:31 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
cRusty, first off, isn't Russian and American more of citizenship/country of origin question?
What was the general tone and attitude of McCarthyites towards the Soviet Union (Russia)?
jeez, that's quite a leap, don't you think?
Not really.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:24:21 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
So, as a War Hawk, you were hoping for war with Russia, and now you're disappointed? Missed opportunity to kill a lot of people and prove a $650 billion dollar a year War Machine was better then those damn Russians? What exactly are they going to "beat" Trump at? I mean, you want war over rough ridin' Crimea or some lame bullshit like that?
Weird (and hypocritical on the part of the United States).
I am not the one who picked Trump to shoot the free throws. Ask them what they saw in him that made them decide he was a weakling.
Not the best tap out, but a tap out none-the-less.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
So, as a War Hawk, you were hoping for war with Russia, and now you're disappointed? Missed opportunity to kill a lot of people and prove a $650 billion dollar a year War Machine was better then those damn Russians? What exactly are they going to "beat" Trump at? I mean, you want war over rough ridin' Crimea or some lame bullshit like that?
Weird (and hypocritical on the part of the United States).
I am not the one who picked Trump to shoot the free throws. Ask them what they saw in him that made them decide he was a weakling.
Not the best tap out, but a tap out none-the-less.
It's cool, you don't have to admit Russia picked him. I don't care even a little, I for one hope they are wrong and he isn't what they think he is.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:36:59 PM
I didn't say that. I said that there was a lot of that type of news shared on FB and that it was from a Russian State source and that it was prevalent enough that it deserves to be recognized as contributing to influencing some ppls opinions. They aren't Turing into Russian zombies upon clicking the link, but if the consumers like that it makes it sound like our current admin is rough ridin' up, and hill would be more of that, they share it. Repeat that over and over and next thing you know it's "true". Just like what you are trying to accomplish by telling me over and over that I said specific things that I didn't.
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CNS you are endearing. But friend, Hillary sunk herself with real life stuff, not conspiratorial, made up BS on so called fake news. As we have being saying, this Russian meltdown is code word for - we mumped up and now we're trying to blame everyone else but ourselves and undermine the incoming president (as usual).
100% accurate.
I see the hack and the fact that Russia chose Trump as the mark they could beat as separate deals.
So, as a War Hawk, you were hoping for war with Russia, and now you're disappointed? Missed opportunity to kill a lot of people and prove a $650 billion dollar a year War Machine was better then those damn Russians? What exactly are they going to "beat" Trump at? I mean, you want war over rough ridin' Crimea or some lame bullshit like that?
Weird (and hypocritical on the part of the United States).
I am not the one who picked Trump to shoot the free throws. Ask them what they saw in him that made them decide he was a weakling.
Not the best tap out, but a tap out none-the-less.
It's cool, you don't have to admit Russia picked him. I don't care even a little, I for one hope they are wrong and he isn't what they think he is.
Russia may have picked him, because Hillary is weak, doesn't really know how to negotiate anything, lacks self esteem and thus comes at everything in an adversarial manner to "prove" she's "tough", is easily lead around by more powerful war pigs in the establishment and is too afraid to deviate from the plan.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 04:37:51 PM
Post by: Tobias on January 07, 2017, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
It was confusing for me because I first noticed dax using it at the same time Trump's team started requesting lists of government employees who ________.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:41:27 PM
Could be why they celebrated when Trump won.
That doesn't mean anything, but it's good to know that's your lame "go to".
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:45:03 PM
Post by: The Big Train on January 07, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:54:32 PM
Dax is having a major meltdown rn
Mocking is not melting. Meltdown: See ProgLibs
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 04:55:12 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
It was confusing for me because I first noticed dax using it at the same time Trump's team started requesting lists of government employees who ________.
Who?????
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2017, 05:09:00 PM
where did the McCarthyism thing come from? Are American citizens being targeted as Russians or something?
It was confusing for me because I first noticed dax using it at the same time Trump's team started requesting lists of government employees who ________.
Who?????
I've seen three requests reported for lists of people who've worked on climate change, gender equality, and something else I don't remember.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 05:20:29 PM
Could be why they celebrated when Trump won.
That doesn't mean anything, but it's good to know that's your lame "go to".
Don't spin out bud. Like I said, him being the perceived mark isn't a direct reflection on his fans.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
Should we be afraid of them, no. Are they annoying as eff, yes.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 05:30:44 PM
Russia is the red headed step child of the western world. They have the natural resources of a major world power, yet they look more like a second world country (thanks socialism), their economy produces nothing, their population is declining, and men die at age 55 from alcoholism. Their only ability to remain relevant is through their military and acting through surrogate countries like Syria. Compared to incompetent doofuses like b.o., they have a highly effective foreign policy and intelligence community. In real life, they're as sophisticated as Italy.
Should we be afraid of them, no. Are they annoying as eff, yes.
Agreed. I guess they think trump will help them out of their hole.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 05:46:04 PM
Could be why they celebrated when Trump won.
That doesn't mean anything, but it's good to know that's your lame "go to".
Don't spin out bud. Like I said, him being the perceived mark isn't a direct reflection on his fans.
Russians tend to respect and want to deal with stronger personalities. They don't want the messenger for the unseen sitting across the table aka Hillary.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 05:46:37 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 05:49:35 PM
You've posted something to that effect about 70 times itt.
Stop repeating yourself Dax
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 06:31:02 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 06:32:33 PM
You've posted something to that effect about 70 times itt.
Stop repeating yourself Dax
Really? From the dude who keeps saying the same thing over and over like Rain Man?
Sad
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 06:39:44 PM
You've posted something to that effect about 70 times itt.
Stop repeating yourself Dax
Really? From the dude who keeps saying the same thing over and over like Rain Man?
Sad
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
You've posted something to that effect about 70 times itt.
Stop repeating yourself Dax
Really? From the dude who keeps saying the same thing over and over like Rain Man?
Sad
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
More than 2 ='s Meltdown
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 06:57:37 PM
Post by: Tobias on January 07, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 07, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
:lol: :zzz:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 07, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
So sad
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 07, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
dax's guy won tho, and for some reason he's angry about it. drugs?
Post by: SdK on January 07, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
Post by: renocat on January 08, 2017, 12:24:07 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2017, 08:44:50 AM
Dax. Lots of us have small dicks and can't charm women. It's not worth being mad over
Weird post.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2017, 08:53:19 AM
yeah, if hillary didn't suck maybe i, and millions of principled people like me, would have voted for her.
dax's guy won tho, and for some reason he's angry about it. drugs?
Lol, how are we not about to inaugurate Jill Stein or someone else besides Trump (or Hillary) with the millions upon millions of libs claiming they didn't vote for Hillary?
Whatever you need to tell yourself I suppose.
So sad.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: bucket on January 08, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2017, 12:56:54 PM
I guess now it's time for Dax and FSD to argue how stupid the US's intelligence agencies are for reporting the RNC was hacked too and how the Russians didn't release these documents.
Well, if I'm one thing, I'm a huge RNC establishment guy.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 08, 2017, 01:02:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2017, 01:17:19 PM
dax loves the crap out of trump :Carl:
Still so angry
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
Post by: bucket on January 08, 2017, 02:19:18 PM
It won't let me copy and paste. Fake news, probably.
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2017, 02:25:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
It won't let me copy and paste. Fake news, probably.
Quote
They based that conclusion, in part, on another finding — which they say was also reached with high confidence — that the Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Now if I could just find that picture of Colin Powell and his Iraqi mobile WMD lab.
That was "high probability" as well.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on January 08, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
It won't let me copy and paste. Fake news, probably.
That article is pretty squishy. Fake news is probably right.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2017, 11:20:33 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2017, 11:42:22 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 11, 2017, 11:51:31 AM
So did Trump just state that he believes Russia was behind the hacking? I cannot watch his PC
Yes he did
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
What would it take to convince you guys that Russia did it?
Maybe some actual evidence. I mean, I understand the agencies have to be careful about what they declassify - but there's nothing here but naked conclusions. Most of this report is devoted to Russian propaganda efforts, and about half the report (Annex A) is just old info republished from several years ago.
This appears to be the extent of the detail provided on the hacking:QuoteThe General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) probably began cyber operations aimed at the US election by March 2016. We assess that the GRU operations resulted in the compromise of the personal e-mail accounts of Democratic Party officials and political figures. By May, the GRU had exfiltrated large volumes of data from the DNC.
Public Disclosures of Russian-Collected Data.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU used the Guccifer 2.0 persona, DCLeaks.com, and WikiLeaks to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets.
Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be an independent Romanian hacker, made multiple contradictory statements and false claims about his likely Russian identity throughout the election. Press reporting suggests more than one person claiming to be Guccifer 2.0 interacted with journalists.
? Content that we assess was taken from e-mail accounts targeted by the GRU in March 2016 appeared on DCLeaks.com starting in June.
We assess with high confidence that the GRU relayed material it acquired from the DNC and senior Democratic officials to WikiLeaks. Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self- proclaimed reputation for authenticity. Disclosures through WikiLeaks did not contain any evident forgeries.
Look, I'm not a computer forensic cyber security guy, but this report reads like political bullshit with a healthy dose of ass covering. i mean the first report at least contained one piece of actual evidence - it just didn't really point to the Russian government. So then promise "wait till you see the next report" and this is it?!
Honestly, I think the best indicator will be how Trump responds. He got the classified briefing which supposedly has the actual evidence. He knows that if they actually have evidence, and he denies it, they'll leak it to the press. So if he continues to slam the intelligence as bullshit, that's an indicator that it is. If he clams up or tries to change the focus, they may very well some proof.
This
Post by: chum1 on January 12, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
https://twitter.com/adamkraymond/status/819652787109765121
Post by: stunted on January 20, 2017, 12:09:54 AM
RIP HERO
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 20, 2017, 01:23:36 AM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/822213093065367553
RIP HERO
You have to admire in a rogues gallery sort of way, what stone cold killers the UnderClintons were/are.
Post by: renocat on May 15, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
Source is from leaked information stolen from NSA.
Putin is blaming U.S.
It.is called Web World.War
Post by: LickNeckey on January 17, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/822213093065367553
RIP HERO
You have to admire in a rogues gallery sort of way, what stone cold killers the UnderClintons were/are.
:gocho:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 08, 2021, 09:56:07 PM
Post by: CNS on May 09, 2021, 10:12:20 AM
This isn’t even the future, this is the recent past. I mean, a couple of guys from India claiming to be from Microsoft calling to make sure your Google Biz listing is claimed on your Apple account shouldn’t be shutting down the east coast.
Post by: wiley on May 09, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
If it’s not already the case, the lions share of our defense budget needs to move from ships, guns, and tanks to cyber warfare. Physical crap is getting pretty worthless these days.I'm not sure all the money in the world will defend companies, when employees blindly click on links in emails and install ransomware.
This isn’t even the future, this is the recent past. I mean, a couple of guys from India claiming to be from Microsoft calling to make sure your Google Biz listing is claimed on your Apple account shouldn’t be shutting down the east coast.
Or (the big one now), random phone calls from the IT dept asking for you password to some system because you are working remotely. People give away a ton of information on fb and LinkedIn, that could be used in a social engineering attack. Ransome attacks are becoming popular, pretty sure this is similar to Garmin last year. If systems aren't restored by midweek, i expect the ransom to be paid (if it hasn't already).
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2021, 10:45:47 AM
I'd like to think that they had great internal and external network surveillance, and I'd like to think that they were back up in near real time to a offsite 3rd party data center so they could just roll back in time if need be, that doesn't always work, tho.
Post by: wiley on May 10, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
I'd like to know about how this happened, likely a spearfishing attack.My understanding is they are still not back online.
I'd like to think that they had great internal and external network surveillance, and I'd like to think that they were back up in near real time to a offsite 3rd party data center so they could just roll back in time if need be, that doesn't always work, tho.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 10, 2021, 07:35:03 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on May 11, 2021, 07:57:46 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2021, 09:32:56 AM
Post by: wiley on May 11, 2021, 09:44:53 AM
The water treatment plant instances recently are more worrisome then this pipeline, but NERC CIP (or at least it's goals) is going to apply to a lot more things pretty soonIll be interested to see how well the regulations are deployed. I can see companies doing enough to pass audits and then essentially doing no more. That is until something like this happens. The sysadmin reddit has some interesting post when ransome ware incidents popup. There's one about the purchase of a pipeline, and the security that was setup by the original owner was comical at best.
Post by: CNS on May 11, 2021, 09:58:03 AM
The water treatment plant instances recently are more worrisome then this pipeline, but NERC CIP (or at least it's goals) is going to apply to a lot more things pretty soonIll be interested to see how well the regulations are deployed. I can see companies doing enough to pass audits and then essentially doing no more. That is until something like this happens. The sysadmin reddit has some interesting post when ransome ware incidents popup. There's one about the purchase of a pipeline, and the security that was setup by the original owner was comical at best.
Banks, accountants, etc have some regs on how they can electronically send and receive financial or personal info. Why can't we impose security regulations in a similar manner for certain industries that are super important for the basic function of society? This is what we should do.
This wouldn't be all biz, it would be water, power, gas, etc
Post by: cfbandyman on May 11, 2021, 10:11:39 AM
typical
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2021, 11:03:16 AM
lol @dax trying to fob that off (like he always does) when 0 was done by the ones in charge to even know wtf was going on or had the heft to understand what was needed.Actually it was brought up quite frequently by Republicans.
typical
In fact, the Trump administration attempted to place CyberCommand under its own leadership structure and break it away from the NSA because the job was simply too large for one leadership structure covering both. Dems of course melted down. Dems as usual wanted to kick the can down the the road in hopes that they could make the split using their politically dogmatic influence. Hiding behind such amazing bullshit as a lack of resources to support two separate entities. A trillion dollars a year, but lacking resources. Pfft.
LOL at the typically uninformed candy man
Post by: wiley on May 11, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
My assumption when the dust settles is that someone opened an email that pulled down an executable. That executable probably just inventoried all the installed applications on that computer and any machine that user had access to. Sent a diagnostic to the hackers. Once they knew what exploits were available they had a fair amount of access to start causing chaos. (This is just 1 theory out there, could be someone with a lot of access opened a link they shouldn't have and that's all it took).The water treatment plant instances recently are more worrisome then this pipeline, but NERC CIP (or at least it's goals) is going to apply to a lot more things pretty soonIll be interested to see how well the regulations are deployed. I can see companies doing enough to pass audits and then essentially doing no more. That is until something like this happens. The sysadmin reddit has some interesting post when ransome ware incidents popup. There's one about the purchase of a pipeline, and the security that was setup by the original owner was comical at best.
Banks, accountants, etc have some regs on how they can electronically send and receive financial or personal info. Why can't we impose security regulations in a similar manner for certain industries that are super important for the basic function of society? This is what we should do.
This wouldn't be all biz, it would be water, power, gas, etc
And that's where the real concerns come from, employees not being diligent on what they open in emails on company machines. And then third party applications like chrome. You have to keep these updated at a ridiculous pace. And when it's a mission critical app/device they get pushed for as long as humanly possible.
Dax's point about bringing up a 3rd party DC is valid, but if you have a tunnel replicating data to it, you better be damn quick about shutting it off so you don't destroy the all the data in the DR. I highly doubt that this would be the case if the hackers were able to download/retrieve 100 gb of data and nothing sounded alarm bells when that amount of data was leaving the network.
I wouldn't expect the govt to put in stringent regulations on this, and if they do it'll probably have leniency for a decade.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 11, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2021, 11:28:33 AM
I'm completely clueless but feel the need to chime in and prove it (once again)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 11, 2021, 11:31:26 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2021, 11:32:26 AM
it's a joke boomer. Stop whining for an hour. You just make yourself miserable with all this crying
Um-hmm
It's rage Tuesday with SlowDug
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 11, 2021, 11:34:29 AM
BMI <700 trumpers
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 11, 2021, 11:38:27 AM
#rageTuesday #SlowDug
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 12, 2021, 03:22:42 AM
Post by: wiley on May 13, 2021, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 13, 2021, 01:36:43 PM
Interesting if so.
Post by: MadCat on May 13, 2021, 02:39:29 PM
Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
Post by: CNS on May 13, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
Post by: wiley on May 13, 2021, 05:08:37 PM
Our govt should find the Darkside guys and hire them.Allegedly the utility to decrypt the files was so slow they had to use it in conjunction with restoring backups.
I think they paid the ransom to keep the information from getting out the hackers stole though. At least that's how i read some things.
Post by: Spracne on May 13, 2021, 05:56:20 PM
Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
FYI, this happens all the time, and 95%+ of the time businesses just quietly negotiate down and pay the ransom. There are now entire verticals dedicated to ransomware attack mitigation, including firms that specialize in negotiating the ransoms.
Post by: wiley on May 13, 2021, 06:16:21 PM
I knew these happen all the time, but i didn't realize there were firms that do the negotiating and that there was even the possibility of negotiating down, that's bonkers.Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
FYI, this happens all the time, and 95%+ of the time businesses just quietly negotiate down and pay the ransom. There are now entire verticals dedicated to ransomware attack mitigation, including firms that specialize in negotiating the ransoms.
Post by: Spracne on May 14, 2021, 02:21:57 AM
I knew these happen all the time, but i didn't realize there were firms that do the negotiating and that there was even the possibility of negotiating down, that's bonkers.Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
FYI, this happens all the time, and 95%+ of the time businesses just quietly negotiate down and pay the ransom. There are now entire verticals dedicated to ransomware attack mitigation, including firms that specialize in negotiating the ransoms.
Yup. It's a whole cottage industry, and the white hat people and black hat people become familiar with each other. Apparently there is, in fact, honor among thieves. I've heard some wild stories.
Post by: MadCat on May 14, 2021, 10:00:19 AM
I knew these happen all the time, but i didn't realize there were firms that do the negotiating and that there was even the possibility of negotiating down, that's bonkers.Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
FYI, this happens all the time, and 95%+ of the time businesses just quietly negotiate down and pay the ransom. There are now entire verticals dedicated to ransomware attack mitigation, including firms that specialize in negotiating the ransoms.
Yup. It's a whole cottage industry, and the white hat people and black hat people become familiar with each other. Apparently there is, in fact, honor among thieves. I've heard some wild stories.
Our CISO has been working with an IT insurance company and developing a checklist on what to do in case of such an event. He states the government is telling people to never pay the ransom as this encourages them and you really have no guarantees on whether you will actually get anything useful in return for paying them. He did mention there are other resources available in a case where we wanted to negotiate.
I think from an IT standpoint, the best way to mitigate this is to have good backups, but they need to have a long retention policy. The bad guys usually don't act until they've been in your systems for 9 months already (on average). Your recent backups will be useless if they've already been saving compromised files.
Post by: wiley on July 06, 2021, 05:44:48 PM
I don't know if anyone followed this after it went down. But apparently a users access wasn't disabled after they left the company. And credentials were aquired from a different data breach (login credentials for colonial were the same as the lets say their yahoo account).I knew these happen all the time, but i didn't realize there were firms that do the negotiating and that there was even the possibility of negotiating down, that's bonkers.Pipeline paid 5 million in crypto for the key to decrypt data (per Bloomberg)
:curse:
FYI, this happens all the time, and 95%+ of the time businesses just quietly negotiate down and pay the ransom. There are now entire verticals dedicated to ransomware attack mitigation, including firms that specialize in negotiating the ransoms.
Yup. It's a whole cottage industry, and the white hat people and black hat people become familiar with each other. Apparently there is, in fact, honor among thieves. I've heard some wild stories.
Our CISO has been working with an IT insurance company and developing a checklist on what to do in case of such an event. He states the government is telling people to never pay the ransom as this encourages them and you really have no guarantees on whether you will actually get anything useful in return for paying them. He did mention there are other resources available in a case where we wanted to negotiate.
I think from an IT standpoint, the best way to mitigate this is to have good backups, but they need to have a long retention policy. The bad guys usually don't act until they've been in your systems for 9 months already (on average). Your recent backups will be useless if they've already been saving compromised files.
Post by: wiley on December 13, 2021, 12:09:28 PM
If you work in IT/Security/Dev #thoughtsandprayers
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/)
Post by: bucket on December 13, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
There’s a fun new vulnerability that they’re trying to take down the entire system with.
If you work in IT/Security/Dev #thoughtsandorayers
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGfStvIWUAEdshg?format=png&name=small)
Post by: wiley on December 13, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
That’s rough ridin' great and accurate.There’s a fun new vulnerability that they’re trying to take down the entire system with.
If you work in IT/Security/Dev #thoughtsandorayers
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/the-log4shell-zeroday-4-days-on-what-is-it-and-how-bad-is-it-really/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGfStvIWUAEdshg?format=png&name=small)